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		<title>By: larrydice</title>
		<link>/busted-tv-show-site-in-limbo-as-authorities-back-off-081121/#comment-515985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larrydice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was a sad day when tv-links was no more.  Hope everything works out for Dave Rock and he doesn&#039;t get the big end of the shaft.  There are a slew of new tv-links sites now but I think the best I have found is tv-links.cc although I have not checked out tv-links.ws]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a sad day when tv-links was no more.  Hope everything works out for Dave Rock and he doesn&#8217;t get the big end of the shaft.  There are a slew of new tv-links sites now but I think the best I have found is tv-links.cc although I have not checked out tv-links.ws</p>
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		<title>By: Joker</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great to hear that he wasn&#039;t charged and the tv-links.ws site looks quite good too]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear that he wasn&#8217;t charged and the tv-links.ws site looks quite good too</p>
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		<title>By: anarekist</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s clear now that you should have no evidence at your home and to ssh into your main computer stored at a secure location.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s clear now that you should have no evidence at your home and to ssh into your main computer stored at a secure location.</p>
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		<title>By: NewlBoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Its great to see a replacement and hear from this Dave Rock fellow. 

Lets hope the replacement will live up to its expectations. 

NewlBoy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Its great to see a replacement and hear from this Dave Rock fellow. </p>
<p>Lets hope the replacement will live up to its expectations. </p>
<p>NewlBoy</p>
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		<title>By: some dude</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At 40

LMAO @ the Hydra, take your American Imperialistic book &#039;the star fish and the bullshit&#039; somewhere else.

That book is fundamentally flawed, centralisation V&#039;s Decentralisation.

Central or decentred is a completely conceptualised ideology, what one considers central is NOT considered central by others.

The Alcoholics anon example in the book states that Alcoholics Anon is decentralised because it has no infrastructural bases. How erroneous is that???

What on earth are the 12 steps if not a central premise? What on earth is the whole buddy system if not central?

What on earth are ISP&#039;s if not a central premise to the internet?

The book is rubbish DO NOT REPEAT IT&#039;S CRAP.

&#039;Like yeah, we should all be catalysts&#039; get the f%*k outta town man.

In every example that book gives, there is an ongoing lack of sophisticated broadened knowledge.

Such as when it cites that the Native Americans were successful in defending their country because they were decentralised, LMFAO.

TELL THAT TO THE CENTRALISED US GOV WHO SYSTEMATICALLY STARVED THEM TO DEATH... read bury my heart at Wounded Knee, FFS.

Our governments have now made it law that people can be extradited without a trial in their own country.  See the Enron British banker three.

Centralisation here is the power to change the law, Torrent site creators can now be taken from countries such as the Netherlands to face charges in countries such as the US, even though they did NOT break any law in their own country.

FACT and other lobbyists have made the UK government agree to make ISP&#039;s responsible for the net. 

Soon one may be banned from the net and still have to pay the ISP. Furthermore, the number Of ISP&#039;s in the UK that are dropping all P2P traffic is on the increase, due to centralised lobbying and government law changes.

Encryption, Proxy&#039;s and tunnelling are fine for geeks such as I but the main bulk of Torrenters are not going to be able to use P2P networks, without facing extradition, ISP banning, and even legal fines. (not the suing of yester year)

AOL UK/CARPHONE WAREHOUSE already enforces this as do BT and Tiscali although all to differing lengths.

The power of centralisation then is kicking in, and P2P&#039;s will have to lobby, hide or simply not be able to use.

Do not quote that starfish bullshittery because it’s wrong beyond belief.

Regards

P.S.  if a dam spider got wet it would move its leg, anyone who knows anything about spiders know they have a unique arachnid nervous system, one of the most complex in the world. It certainly wouldn’t let its foot drowned as the book would have you believe.
A spider is no more a centralised hierarchical system as a starfish, and to compare biology field notes to a complex human ideology is simplistic and erroneous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 40</p>
<p>LMAO @ the Hydra, take your American Imperialistic book &#8216;the star fish and the bullshit&#8217; somewhere else.</p>
<p>That book is fundamentally flawed, centralisation V&#8217;s Decentralisation.</p>
<p>Central or decentred is a completely conceptualised ideology, what one considers central is NOT considered central by others.</p>
<p>The Alcoholics anon example in the book states that Alcoholics Anon is decentralised because it has no infrastructural bases. How erroneous is that???</p>
<p>What on earth are the 12 steps if not a central premise? What on earth is the whole buddy system if not central?</p>
<p>What on earth are ISP&#8217;s if not a central premise to the internet?</p>
<p>The book is rubbish DO NOT REPEAT IT&#8217;S CRAP.</p>
<p>&#8216;Like yeah, we should all be catalysts&#8217; get the f%*k outta town man.</p>
<p>In every example that book gives, there is an ongoing lack of sophisticated broadened knowledge.</p>
<p>Such as when it cites that the Native Americans were successful in defending their country because they were decentralised, LMFAO.</p>
<p>TELL THAT TO THE CENTRALISED US GOV WHO SYSTEMATICALLY STARVED THEM TO DEATH&#8230; read bury my heart at Wounded Knee, FFS.</p>
<p>Our governments have now made it law that people can be extradited without a trial in their own country.  See the Enron British banker three.</p>
<p>Centralisation here is the power to change the law, Torrent site creators can now be taken from countries such as the Netherlands to face charges in countries such as the US, even though they did NOT break any law in their own country.</p>
<p>FACT and other lobbyists have made the UK government agree to make ISP&#8217;s responsible for the net. </p>
<p>Soon one may be banned from the net and still have to pay the ISP. Furthermore, the number Of ISP&#8217;s in the UK that are dropping all P2P traffic is on the increase, due to centralised lobbying and government law changes.</p>
<p>Encryption, Proxy&#8217;s and tunnelling are fine for geeks such as I but the main bulk of Torrenters are not going to be able to use P2P networks, without facing extradition, ISP banning, and even legal fines. (not the suing of yester year)</p>
<p>AOL UK/CARPHONE WAREHOUSE already enforces this as do BT and Tiscali although all to differing lengths.</p>
<p>The power of centralisation then is kicking in, and P2P&#8217;s will have to lobby, hide or simply not be able to use.</p>
<p>Do not quote that starfish bullshittery because it’s wrong beyond belief.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>P.S.  if a dam spider got wet it would move its leg, anyone who knows anything about spiders know they have a unique arachnid nervous system, one of the most complex in the world. It certainly wouldn’t let its foot drowned as the book would have you believe.<br />
A spider is no more a centralised hierarchical system as a starfish, and to compare biology field notes to a complex human ideology is simplistic and erroneous.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[eggbert (#42) nailed it spot on. I have yet to find a better site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eggbert (#42) nailed it spot on. I have yet to find a better site.</p>
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		<title>By: eggbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eggbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#40

Would really like to see what other tv-links (or other name of a site like it) that even comes close to top 100 most viewed pages on the internet, tv-links.co.uk was at its best on rank 78 right along with mininova and apple.com.

Take alluc just for an example since it started just around when tv-links.co.uk did (at it&#039;s old host 50webs). At it&#039;s best the site has been on ~600 in ranking, and now around 2000.

I do however agree that the shutdown lead to many other sites popping up, and that is good in one way.

Good: many sites to choose from and if yet one or more gets shut down, there&#039;s probably always another to go to.

Bad: I&#039;ve been around on many of them but the &quot;service&quot; (speed of new series, functional links and the amount of them) just doesn&#039;t compare to tv-links.co.uk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40</p>
<p>Would really like to see what other tv-links (or other name of a site like it) that even comes close to top 100 most viewed pages on the internet, tv-links.co.uk was at its best on rank 78 right along with mininova and apple.com.</p>
<p>Take alluc just for an example since it started just around when tv-links.co.uk did (at it&#8217;s old host 50webs). At it&#8217;s best the site has been on ~600 in ranking, and now around 2000.</p>
<p>I do however agree that the shutdown lead to many other sites popping up, and that is good in one way.</p>
<p>Good: many sites to choose from and if yet one or more gets shut down, there&#8217;s probably always another to go to.</p>
<p>Bad: I&#8217;ve been around on many of them but the &#8220;service&#8221; (speed of new series, functional links and the amount of them) just doesn&#8217;t compare to tv-links.co.uk.</p>
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		<title>By: heddy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[ The reality was that he was receiving around $2 to $5 per day in donations from random site users, which he used to cover the server costs. ]

And the revenue from all those banner ads was given to charity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ The reality was that he was receiving around $2 to $5 per day in donations from random site users, which he used to cover the server costs. ]</p>
<p>And the revenue from all those banner ads was given to charity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Schotsmans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Schotsmans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The result of the TV-Links shutdown was only that a douzen other sites like it popped up, some getting even bigger then TV-Links was.

The Hydra principle is still in full swing and will hopefully last indefinatly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The result of the TV-Links shutdown was only that a douzen other sites like it popped up, some getting even bigger then TV-Links was.</p>
<p>The Hydra principle is still in full swing and will hopefully last indefinatly.</p>
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		<title>By: PLay4dead</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope that this guy Dave R does something about it rather than let FACT just get away with it. Don&#039;t let FACT simply come to you Dave and say &quot;ok,we are not going to do anything now&quot;... don&#039;t roll over and give up. 

Never let little sh*ts like this push you around. Get your lawyer to keep pushing for your stiff to be given back, and get them to ask what are they planning to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that this guy Dave R does something about it rather than let FACT just get away with it. Don&#8217;t let FACT simply come to you Dave and say &#8220;ok,we are not going to do anything now&#8221;&#8230; don&#8217;t roll over and give up. </p>
<p>Never let little sh*ts like this push you around. Get your lawyer to keep pushing for your stiff to be given back, and get them to ask what are they planning to do.</p>
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