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		<title>By: Frank T</title>
		<link>/decluttering-the-tubes-bittorrent-080201/#comment-317415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ISP traffic shaping/throttling does not work and never will work. These ISP morons have bought a false bill of goods. 

Since the shaping era began everyone I know, leaves their computers on for longer and downloads as many files as possible. Similar to filling a bucket with water. Either you turn the tap, fill it fast and turn it off, or you fill it by letting the faucet drip for days on end. Often you let it overflow and let the tap drip continuously. The net result of which is, more bandwidth is being used. The ISP&#039;s in turn do not gain anything other than dollars from &#039;false&#039; advertising, which they need so they can pay consultants and companies for  &#039;traffic shaping&#039; which does not work.

These ISP clowns are living in the  90&#039;s, sending cutsy e-mails to grandma with a geewhiz fancy typewriter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISP traffic shaping/throttling does not work and never will work. These ISP morons have bought a false bill of goods. </p>
<p>Since the shaping era began everyone I know, leaves their computers on for longer and downloads as many files as possible. Similar to filling a bucket with water. Either you turn the tap, fill it fast and turn it off, or you fill it by letting the faucet drip for days on end. Often you let it overflow and let the tap drip continuously. The net result of which is, more bandwidth is being used. The ISP&#8217;s in turn do not gain anything other than dollars from &#8216;false&#8217; advertising, which they need so they can pay consultants and companies for  &#8216;traffic shaping&#8217; which does not work.</p>
<p>These ISP clowns are living in the  90&#8242;s, sending cutsy e-mails to grandma with a geewhiz fancy typewriter.</p>
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		<title>By: Anato</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solution:

Slowing the connection down by usage and pricing the usage differenty to time. Example:

00-06 price 1 tick(s)/Mb
06-08 pirce 2 tick(s)/Mb
08-16 price 3 tick(s)/Mb
16-21 price 5 tick(s)/Mb
21-00 price 3 tick(s)/Mb

Now 300 ticks will slow your connection down by 30%, 800 ticks will slow it to 50% and so on...
Then at midnight your connection and tick counter is reseted to full speed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solution:</p>
<p>Slowing the connection down by usage and pricing the usage differenty to time. Example:</p>
<p>00-06 price 1 tick(s)/Mb<br />
06-08 pirce 2 tick(s)/Mb<br />
08-16 price 3 tick(s)/Mb<br />
16-21 price 5 tick(s)/Mb<br />
21-00 price 3 tick(s)/Mb</p>
<p>Now 300 ticks will slow your connection down by 30%, 800 ticks will slow it to 50% and so on&#8230;<br />
Then at midnight your connection and tick counter is reseted to full speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>/decluttering-the-tubes-bittorrent-080201/#comment-294018</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;284270&quot;]The only internet switching and being the smartest in my book would have to be verizon.... this company has been falling behind becuase of comcast and becase of there internet being really good and relibable(me being old customer b4 throttling). Im currently waiting for that lovley fiberoptics to get around my neighbor hood. thats the only downside... i feel like shit going for 1mb/s dls to a lowsey 150k/bs max preety much with verizon dsl. but ive used fios before and my god will everyone fall in love with it.(of course i was using the 50mb/s connection :D) 4 xbox360 playing h3. 3 computers wirelessy connected all playing css and me downloading off of limewire at 2mb/s and someone else downloaidn ga  movie at 5 mb/s
iono all i can say its really really fast :D! Have fun and be safe.

(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it.... Use peerguardian2)

-leet (i miss demonoid &lt;/3)[/quote]
[quote comment=&quot;284270&quot;]The only internet switching and being the smartest in my book would have to be verizon.... this company has been falling behind becuase of comcast and becase of there internet being really good and relibable(me being old customer b4 throttling). Im currently waiting for that lovley fiberoptics to get around my neighbor hood. thats the only downside... i feel like shit going for 1mb/s dls to a lowsey 150k/bs max preety much with verizon dsl. but ive used fios before and my god will everyone fall in love with it.(of course i was using the 50mb/s connection :D) 4 xbox360 playing h3. 3 computers wirelessy connected all playing css and me downloading off of limewire at 2mb/s and someone else downloaidn ga  movie at 5 mb/s
iono all i can say its really really fast :D! Have fun and be safe.

(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it.... Use peerguardian2)

-leet (i miss demonoid &lt;/3)[/quote]
[quote comment=&quot;278652&quot;]Charging for bandwidth uses makes sense indeed, as long as the prizes are reasonable.

Should be &#039;prices&#039;.[/quote]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="284270"]The only internet switching and being the smartest in my book would have to be verizon&#8230;. this company has been falling behind becuase of comcast and becase of there internet being really good and relibable(me being old customer b4 throttling). Im currently waiting for that lovley fiberoptics to get around my neighbor hood. thats the only downside&#8230; i feel like shit going for 1mb/s dls to a lowsey 150k/bs max preety much with verizon dsl. but ive used fios before and my god will everyone fall in love with it.(of course i was using the 50mb/s connection :D) 4 xbox360 playing h3. 3 computers wirelessy connected all playing css and me downloading off of limewire at 2mb/s and someone else downloaidn ga  movie at 5 mb/s<br />
iono all i can say its really really fast :D! Have fun and be safe.</p>
<p>(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it&#8230;. Use peerguardian2)</p>
<p>-leet (i miss demonoid &lt;/3)[/quote]<br />
[quote comment="284270"]The only internet switching and being the smartest in my book would have to be verizon&#8230;. this company has been falling behind becuase of comcast and becase of there internet being really good and relibable(me being old customer b4 throttling). Im currently waiting for that lovley fiberoptics to get around my neighbor hood. thats the only downside&#8230; i feel like shit going for 1mb/s dls to a lowsey 150k/bs max preety much with verizon dsl. but ive used fios before and my god will everyone fall in love with it.(of course i was using the 50mb/s connection :D) 4 xbox360 playing h3. 3 computers wirelessy connected all playing css and me downloading off of limewire at 2mb/s and someone else downloaidn ga  movie at 5 mb/s<br />
iono all i can say its really really fast :D! Have fun and be safe.</p>
<p>(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it&#8230;. Use peerguardian2)</p>
<p>-leet (i miss demonoid &lt;/3)[/quote]<br />
[quote comment="278652"]Charging for bandwidth uses makes sense indeed, as long as the prizes are reasonable.</p>
<p>Should be &#8216;prices&#8217;.[/quote]</p>
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		<title>By: IDTorrent Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Decluttering The Tubes, Solutions to the BitTorrent Ã¢â‚¬Å“ProblemÃ¢â‚¬Â?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: leet</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only internet switching and being the smartest in my book would have to be verizon.... this company has been falling behind becuase of comcast and becase of there internet being really good and relibable(me being old customer b4 throttling). Im currently waiting for that lovley fiberoptics to get around my neighbor hood. thats the only downside... i feel like shit going for 1mb/s dls to a lowsey 150k/bs max preety much with verizon dsl. but ive used fios before and my god will everyone fall in love with it.(of course i was using the 50mb/s connection :D) 4 xbox360 playing h3. 3 computers wirelessy connected all playing css and me downloading off of limewire at 2mb/s and someone else downloaidn ga  movie at 5 mb/s
iono all i can say its really really fast :D! Have fun and be safe.

(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it.... Use peerguardian2)

-leet (i miss demonoid &lt;/3)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only internet switching and being the smartest in my book would have to be verizon&#8230;. this company has been falling behind becuase of comcast and becase of there internet being really good and relibable(me being old customer b4 throttling). Im currently waiting for that lovley fiberoptics to get around my neighbor hood. thats the only downside&#8230; i feel like shit going for 1mb/s dls to a lowsey 150k/bs max preety much with verizon dsl. but ive used fios before and my god will everyone fall in love with it.(of course i was using the 50mb/s connection :D) 4 xbox360 playing h3. 3 computers wirelessy connected all playing css and me downloading off of limewire at 2mb/s and someone else downloaidn ga  movie at 5 mb/s<br />
iono all i can say its really really fast :D! Have fun and be safe.</p>
<p>(friends dont let other friends go without protection so why risk it&#8230;. Use peerguardian2)</p>
<p>-leet (i miss demonoid &lt;/3)</p>
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		<title>By: lim</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think solution no. 4 is the best]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think solution no. 4 is the best</p>
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		<title>By: neko</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the real problem is misrepresentation of the product. i had a friend recently switch over to my isp [twsocal] and listened in on the phone call and they said it was unlimited - now in our case it is :D - but when i was up north in comcast area i asked them how much bw was alotted per month and they said unlimted i grabbed a few things [600-700 gigs or something in like 2 weeks or so] they called my dad threatening to cancel his service! what a crock of sh1t!! lol

look isp&#039;s we all know you are overselling, but there is a limit to how far you can overpromise before it catches up with you - take a lesson from verizon and just spend the cash]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the real problem is misrepresentation of the product. i had a friend recently switch over to my isp [twsocal] and listened in on the phone call and they said it was unlimited &#8211; now in our case it is :D &#8211; but when i was up north in comcast area i asked them how much bw was alotted per month and they said unlimted i grabbed a few things [600-700 gigs or something in like 2 weeks or so] they called my dad threatening to cancel his service! what a crock of sh1t!! lol</p>
<p>look isp&#8217;s we all know you are overselling, but there is a limit to how far you can overpromise before it catches up with you &#8211; take a lesson from verizon and just spend the cash</p>
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		<title>By: dazedash</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would prefer slower speeds, but UNLIMITED. (even those they say it&#039;s  already unlimited) Let me say it again, un-li-mi-ted traffic! 

The BitTorrent problem is not the only one to argue about. People like to watch good quality  streaming videos on the web, TV Shows which are not really copyrighted in the U.S. and use other high bandwidth applications: gaming, video chatting, etc... 

It is good to have a 12Mb Comcast Power Boost for such things, for instance, but when you get cut off by USING ITS  1/8 capacities (which is roughly 500GB over the month), does it also means that Comcast CAN NOT handle fully loaded 1.5Mb channel over the month (which also gives 500GB of dl data), while Europe providers can handle much more? Are we live in America, or in  Russia, where such thing like traffic limits are still exist? At least in Russia providers DO SAY to their customers what they should expect and what plan should they purchase considering certain traffic limitations. From Comcast we don&#039;t hear anything, we still think that the Internet excess is unlimited. Well, that&#039;s not true and they know this. Using their monopoly rights of a second largest internet provider they can do whatever they want and wait a little bit more before start upgrading their s**** network. But like someone said in here, &quot;sooner or later they would have to do this&quot;. 

Companies exist for the customers, and the customers are those in right to decide what they want!

P.s. The thing about 500Gb of bandwidth per month is near truth. I heard some cases that after using &quot;unlimited&quot; Comcast internet connection people were getting cut off. I don&#039;t think that they&#039;ve downloaded much over 500Gb, I would think even less that that, but still got cut off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer slower speeds, but UNLIMITED. (even those they say it&#8217;s  already unlimited) Let me say it again, un-li-mi-ted traffic! </p>
<p>The BitTorrent problem is not the only one to argue about. People like to watch good quality  streaming videos on the web, TV Shows which are not really copyrighted in the U.S. and use other high bandwidth applications: gaming, video chatting, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>It is good to have a 12Mb Comcast Power Boost for such things, for instance, but when you get cut off by USING ITS  1/8 capacities (which is roughly 500GB over the month), does it also means that Comcast CAN NOT handle fully loaded 1.5Mb channel over the month (which also gives 500GB of dl data), while Europe providers can handle much more? Are we live in America, or in  Russia, where such thing like traffic limits are still exist? At least in Russia providers DO SAY to their customers what they should expect and what plan should they purchase considering certain traffic limitations. From Comcast we don&#8217;t hear anything, we still think that the Internet excess is unlimited. Well, that&#8217;s not true and they know this. Using their monopoly rights of a second largest internet provider they can do whatever they want and wait a little bit more before start upgrading their s**** network. But like someone said in here, &#8220;sooner or later they would have to do this&#8221;. </p>
<p>Companies exist for the customers, and the customers are those in right to decide what they want!</p>
<p>P.s. The thing about 500Gb of bandwidth per month is near truth. I heard some cases that after using &#8220;unlimited&#8221; Comcast internet connection people were getting cut off. I don&#8217;t think that they&#8217;ve downloaded much over 500Gb, I would think even less that that, but still got cut off.</p>
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		<title>By: person.1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The solution is obvious if you look at just about any other buisness. 

Supply more of your product!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution is obvious if you look at just about any other buisness. </p>
<p>Supply more of your product!</p>
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