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		<title>By: Deadly Ernest</title>
		<link>/eff-sues-u-s-government-to-stop-nsa-spying-130716/#comment-1109491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2013 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ayep, the NSA owns and runs a computer facility in Canada that&#039;s just over the border. Most of the employees are Canadians and all the data is shared with the whole Echelon network. The facility was originally built back in the 1950s to make it easier to claim the collection of data on US citizens was not happening on US soil. Since being built the building and equipment have been upgraded many times. There was a lot about the facility in a news article on Echelon back in the 1980s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayep, the NSA owns and runs a computer facility in Canada that&#8217;s just over the border. Most of the employees are Canadians and all the data is shared with the whole Echelon network. The facility was originally built back in the 1950s to make it easier to claim the collection of data on US citizens was not happening on US soil. Since being built the building and equipment have been upgraded many times. There was a lot about the facility in a news article on Echelon back in the 1980s.</p>
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		<title>By: asdf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HERE EFF, JUST HAVE ALL MY FUCKING MONEY.

AND MY CREDIT CARDS TOO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HERE EFF, JUST HAVE ALL MY FUCKING MONEY.</p>
<p>AND MY CREDIT CARDS TOO.</p>
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		<title>By: Can'd</title>
		<link>/eff-sues-u-s-government-to-stop-nsa-spying-130716/#comment-1109228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can'd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What? In Canada? What!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? In Canada? What!?</p>
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		<title>By: Unconstituted</title>
		<link>/eff-sues-u-s-government-to-stop-nsa-spying-130716/#comment-1109226</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unconstituted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Constitution? We don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; constitution!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constitution? We don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; constitution!</p>
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		<title>By: EFF Sues US Governmant to Stop NSA Spying</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EFF Sues US Governmant to Stop NSA Spying]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] torrent freak  do you think EFF will ever be able to stop NSA/US govt???  we all know about the epic battle EFF [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] torrent freak  do you think EFF will ever be able to stop NSA/US govt???  we all know about the epic battle EFF [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deadly Ernest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Echelon was, and is, part of a world wide program that includes several nations and collects radio transmissions from around the world and all wired communications that cross certain borders, including the US border. Although the main focus for many years was the communists in the USSR, it was NOT started solely for that purpose and it always looked at communications from all countries. There are a number of computer centres around the world that process the communications intercepts and shares them with the member countries.


Over the decades the main and secondary focii have changed as the political and criminal situation has changed, but it is still ongoing and still looks at all communications with all persons outside of the key countries. The US units do NOT monitor any communications that are solely within the US borders, while the Australian units do NOT monitor communications within the Australian borders and the same is true of the other member countries, but all communications that cross the borders of those countries are monitored either just at the border or just across the border.


On a couple of other issues you raise:


Much of what you complain about is due NOT to the NSA but the greed of people that allow rich US and international businessmen to buy them off. Some is done by petty bureaucrats with power who want things to go a certain way and misuse their power and resources to do so - the CIA is big in this area.


Also, many of the international political screw up over the last 25 years have been more due to over timid European leaders not allowing proper responses to various terrorist activities, and their supporting communist agendas in the UN that are causing all sorts of problem for the non-communist countries. BTW There are a lot of communist countries with votes in the UN, the USSR and China were just the two largest.



Another is the fact I&#039;m an Australian and not an American and do NOT like a lot of the ills caused around the world by the corporate management of the US companies and those of other countries, but that is no excuse to blame all the Americans or citizens of the other countries, or the people doing a job they&#039;ve been legally doing for decades.


As to secret courts, there shouldn&#039;t be any, but the US is NOT the only one that has them, and some countries have public courts where the rules and laws are worse than any in the secret courts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echelon was, and is, part of a world wide program that includes several nations and collects radio transmissions from around the world and all wired communications that cross certain borders, including the US border. Although the main focus for many years was the communists in the USSR, it was NOT started solely for that purpose and it always looked at communications from all countries. There are a number of computer centres around the world that process the communications intercepts and shares them with the member countries.</p>
<p>Over the decades the main and secondary focii have changed as the political and criminal situation has changed, but it is still ongoing and still looks at all communications with all persons outside of the key countries. The US units do NOT monitor any communications that are solely within the US borders, while the Australian units do NOT monitor communications within the Australian borders and the same is true of the other member countries, but all communications that cross the borders of those countries are monitored either just at the border or just across the border.</p>
<p>On a couple of other issues you raise:</p>
<p>Much of what you complain about is due NOT to the NSA but the greed of people that allow rich US and international businessmen to buy them off. Some is done by petty bureaucrats with power who want things to go a certain way and misuse their power and resources to do so &#8211; the CIA is big in this area.</p>
<p>Also, many of the international political screw up over the last 25 years have been more due to over timid European leaders not allowing proper responses to various terrorist activities, and their supporting communist agendas in the UN that are causing all sorts of problem for the non-communist countries. BTW There are a lot of communist countries with votes in the UN, the USSR and China were just the two largest.</p>
<p>Another is the fact I&#8217;m an Australian and not an American and do NOT like a lot of the ills caused around the world by the corporate management of the US companies and those of other countries, but that is no excuse to blame all the Americans or citizens of the other countries, or the people doing a job they&#8217;ve been legally doing for decades.</p>
<p>As to secret courts, there shouldn&#8217;t be any, but the US is NOT the only one that has them, and some countries have public courts where the rules and laws are worse than any in the secret courts.</p>
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		<title>By: Nonsense111</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Echelon was used against them communists. Stasi at that time were wire tapping suspicious folks, too.

The cold war is over. Now these fuckers are hunting for technology and research data under the guise of battling terrorism. My ASS. The FBI lured in potential terrorists, supplied a fake car bomb and let the suspect push the button so they can right on the spot arrest him and off to Guantanamo it is. Secret courts are unconstitutional (at least in this part of the world) and not a single fuck was given about a country that is responsible for 2 of the biggest market collapses within a time frame of a century, the endless warmongering on everything that confronts corporate or lobbyist interests and on privacy and human rights. 

You know that back in the good ol&#039; days it was perfectly legal to have slaves... to treat human beings as property. 

Why the fuck shouldn&#039;t we use this opportunity of public dismay and put pressure on the elite. Laws change and so can this bullshit. At least disband the secret courts and introduce proper proceedings. Why must it be a secret court? Why gather data that is unconstitutional on your own ground and swap the info with other foreign agencies to EVADE the constitutionally granted rights of any citizen. What kind of fucking nonsense is this? In order to catch the bad guys you gotta be a bad guy? 

But hey at least these agencies are committed to protecting society and are truly dedicated professionals. FUCK THAT!

Presidents should be professionals, still get impeached, as should have happened with Bush and Obummer. 

But oh noes! Murika was out for blood and must fight them turrorists &quot;there&quot; so they don&#039;t come &quot;here&quot;... 

USA imperialists go fuck yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echelon was used against them communists. Stasi at that time were wire tapping suspicious folks, too.</p>
<p>The cold war is over. Now these fuckers are hunting for technology and research data under the guise of battling terrorism. My ASS. The FBI lured in potential terrorists, supplied a fake car bomb and let the suspect push the button so they can right on the spot arrest him and off to Guantanamo it is. Secret courts are unconstitutional (at least in this part of the world) and not a single fuck was given about a country that is responsible for 2 of the biggest market collapses within a time frame of a century, the endless warmongering on everything that confronts corporate or lobbyist interests and on privacy and human rights. </p>
<p>You know that back in the good ol&#8217; days it was perfectly legal to have slaves&#8230; to treat human beings as property. </p>
<p>Why the fuck shouldn&#8217;t we use this opportunity of public dismay and put pressure on the elite. Laws change and so can this bullshit. At least disband the secret courts and introduce proper proceedings. Why must it be a secret court? Why gather data that is unconstitutional on your own ground and swap the info with other foreign agencies to EVADE the constitutionally granted rights of any citizen. What kind of fucking nonsense is this? In order to catch the bad guys you gotta be a bad guy? </p>
<p>But hey at least these agencies are committed to protecting society and are truly dedicated professionals. FUCK THAT!</p>
<p>Presidents should be professionals, still get impeached, as should have happened with Bush and Obummer. </p>
<p>But oh noes! Murika was out for blood and must fight them turrorists &#8220;there&#8221; so they don&#8217;t come &#8220;here&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>USA imperialists go fuck yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: dontregister</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s your bare ass this time NSA :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s your bare ass this time NSA :)</p>
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		<title>By: dontregister(guesswhy)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank You EFF!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You EFF!</p>
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		<title>By: Deadly Ernest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[G&#039;day,


It would now appear that the people at the EFF are as clueless as Snowden. Everything I&#039;ve seen on this to date is just a rehash of the Echelon Program stuff that&#039;s been going on for over 60 years and is lawful under US law as the intercepts are happening when the communications cross the border or just outside the border in Canada. Another great waste of court time as this has been before the courts in the past and found to be legal and constitutional under US law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day,</p>
<p>It would now appear that the people at the EFF are as clueless as Snowden. Everything I&#8217;ve seen on this to date is just a rehash of the Echelon Program stuff that&#8217;s been going on for over 60 years and is lawful under US law as the intercepts are happening when the communications cross the border or just outside the border in Canada. Another great waste of court time as this has been before the courts in the past and found to be legal and constitutional under US law.</p>
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