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		<title>By: guest</title>
		<link>/free-society-sharing-knowledge-and-culture-131215/#comment-1169034</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is talk again about introudcing a resale right so that when you resell something (secondhand) a percentage of that goes to the copyright holder and when that person resells that same item (thirdhand) again a percentage of that goes to the copyright holder. So everytime that same item gets resold and resold a percentage keeps going to the copyright holder. The first sale doctrine will no doubt have to be revoked if this goes through. 

Recent article on Techdirt here:US Copyright Office Supports Artists Getting Paid Multiple 
Times For Same Work, Harming New Artists To Benefit Established Ones http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131215/01133725567/us-copyright-office-supports-artists-getting-paid-multiple-times-same-work-harming-new-artists-to-benefit-established-ones.shtml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is talk again about introudcing a resale right so that when you resell something (secondhand) a percentage of that goes to the copyright holder and when that person resells that same item (thirdhand) again a percentage of that goes to the copyright holder. So everytime that same item gets resold and resold a percentage keeps going to the copyright holder. The first sale doctrine will no doubt have to be revoked if this goes through. </p>
<p>Recent article on Techdirt here:US Copyright Office Supports Artists Getting Paid Multiple<br />
Times For Same Work, Harming New Artists To Benefit Established Ones <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131215/01133725567/us-copyright-office-supports-artists-getting-paid-multiple-times-same-work-harming-new-artists-to-benefit-established-ones.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131215/01133725567/us-copyright-office-supports-artists-getting-paid-multiple-times-same-work-harming-new-artists-to-benefit-established-ones.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scary_Devil_Monastery</title>
		<link>/free-society-sharing-knowledge-and-culture-131215/#comment-1169021</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;If you download copies you show them it&#039;s still worthwhile chasing people...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


Rubbish.


My apologies for the harsh language but you are too naíve there. If every person in the world stopped downloading the same organizations currently trying to dismantle our hard-won freedoms and civil rights will continue to do so.

Let&#039;s play make-believe and assume people actually do stop downloading.
Until we stop selling secondhand games and media and EVERY way of putting out media as an individual has been destroyed.


Simply because a hundred thousand IP lawyers and lobbyists aren&#039;t likely to stop pushing the boundaries of the envelope.


Copyright will always be abused, as will free speech. Both are in irresolvable conflict with one another and only one of them - free speech - is an absolute requirement.


No compromise is possible. The attempt to achieve such inevitably produces things like the DMCA, ACTA and TPP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;If you download copies you show them it&#8217;s still worthwhile chasing people&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Rubbish.</p>
<p>My apologies for the harsh language but you are too naíve there. If every person in the world stopped downloading the same organizations currently trying to dismantle our hard-won freedoms and civil rights will continue to do so.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s play make-believe and assume people actually do stop downloading.<br />
Until we stop selling secondhand games and media and EVERY way of putting out media as an individual has been destroyed.</p>
<p>Simply because a hundred thousand IP lawyers and lobbyists aren&#8217;t likely to stop pushing the boundaries of the envelope.</p>
<p>Copyright will always be abused, as will free speech. Both are in irresolvable conflict with one another and only one of them &#8211; free speech &#8211; is an absolute requirement.</p>
<p>No compromise is possible. The attempt to achieve such inevitably produces things like the DMCA, ACTA and TPP.</p>
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		<title>By: Scary_Devil_Monastery</title>
		<link>/free-society-sharing-knowledge-and-culture-131215/#comment-1169004</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the first time I&#039;ve heard free fantasies being described as &quot;hard fact&quot;.



The Hargreaves report chose to discard the evidence supplied by the labels precisely because that evidence tended to be regurgitations of &quot;data&quot; disproven as falsifications back in the 90&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I&#8217;ve heard free fantasies being described as &#8220;hard fact&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Hargreaves report chose to discard the evidence supplied by the labels precisely because that evidence tended to be regurgitations of &#8220;data&#8221; disproven as falsifications back in the 90&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigran Petrosian</title>
		<link>/free-society-sharing-knowledge-and-culture-131215/#comment-1168993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tigran Petrosian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Tigarian. Are you related to me?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Tigarian. Are you related to me?</p>
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		<title>By: ToEllandBack</title>
		<link>/free-society-sharing-knowledge-and-culture-131215/#comment-1168860</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;they weren&#039;t going to accept your fact-free claims any more.&quot; - there never were - the evidence sent into Hargreaves by labels (including mine) was universally accepted as it was backed up by hard facts]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they weren&#8217;t going to accept your fact-free claims any more.&#8221; &#8211; there never were &#8211; the evidence sent into Hargreaves by labels (including mine) was universally accepted as it was backed up by hard facts</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, most definitely with evidence, unlike you and your colleges. What was it that Consultation said 2 years ago &quot;provide evidence this time&quot;, and the Hargreaves report? &quot;policy should be made on the basis of evidence&quot;

or in other words, they weren&#039;t going to accept your fact-free claims any more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, most definitely with evidence, unlike you and your colleges. What was it that Consultation said 2 years ago &#8220;provide evidence this time&#8221;, and the Hargreaves report? &#8220;policy should be made on the basis of evidence&#8221;</p>
<p>or in other words, they weren&#8217;t going to accept your fact-free claims any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Copyright Infringement/Sharing is the New &#8216;Terrorism&#8217;, No Laws Required for Authorities to Take Extreme (and Sometimes Illegal) Action &#124; Techrights</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Copyright Infringement/Sharing is the New &#8216;Terrorism&#8217;, No Laws Required for Authorities to Take Extreme (and Sometimes Illegal) Action &#124; Techrights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Our Free Society Stands Or Falls With Our Defense Of Sharing Knowledge And Culture [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Our Free Society Stands Or Falls With Our Defense Of Sharing Knowledge And Culture [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: ToEllandBack</title>
		<link>/free-society-sharing-knowledge-and-culture-131215/#comment-1168550</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;your problem is a beef with capitalism and normal trade&quot; 
I&#039;m not the one stealing copyrighted works on the internet like you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;your problem is a beef with capitalism and normal trade&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m not the one stealing copyrighted works on the internet like you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fredrika</title>
		<link>/free-society-sharing-knowledge-and-culture-131215/#comment-1168536</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;No they don&#039;t again where is your evidence?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

First of all, if they don&#039;t give access to the raw data, they fall apart right there, as Ben pointed out.

Secondly, i&#039;ve already given you a bunch of links in the past where their numbers were proven to be a contradiction or directly false, and your response was that you don&#039;t believe in media outlets that challenge the Mafiaa&#039;s numbers, unwilling to respond to what was actually written, instead simply calling their analysis of the Mafiaas numbers for propaganda. Do you remember? That&#039;s why i earlier reminded you of your ignorance on that instance, with the words:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;confused a propaganda organization that fabricates it&#039;s own numbers with a media outlet that reports on numbers other come up with&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Your response was to start to attack the site that reported on it, instead of the actual analysis and the numbers. I asked you if you didn&#039;t understand the numbers and encouraged you to ask for help, but you refused to answer that question, showing that you weren&#039;t interested in going over the actual numbers.

Why should anyone ever again try to provide you with any information, after that tantrum of yours??

&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;yeah of course they have - again where&#039;s your evidence?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That would be their own admission, when they have admitted that their numbers are bogus. Again, you really should stop getting your world news from the press release pages on the Mafiaa&#039;s homepages. Because in the real media it has been thoroughly reported on when they did admit to making numbers up. Ben just gave you one of the many examples.

&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;..Oh I can make an educated guess.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes so you believe, but as you have already proven, you missed the education that five year olds get, when they learn the difference between &lt;i&gt;taking&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;manufacturing&lt;/i&gt;, and you missed the education where you learn the difference between the words &lt;i&gt;evidently&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;obviously&lt;/i&gt;, nor do you understand the difference between a copy and an artistic work, nor do you understand the difference between &lt;i&gt;independent&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;fully dependent&lt;/i&gt;, nor the difference between &lt;i&gt;impartial&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;biased&lt;/i&gt;, nor do you understand that it&#039;s impossible to pay for consumption of art.

The educational system has &lt;b&gt;evidently&lt;/b&gt; failed you on so many levels(the evidence, should you ask, is obviously your own continuous display of ignorance regarding all the above mentioned misconceptions of yours), so you really should stay away from trying to make educated guesses, because you simply aren&#039;t capable of performing those.

&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;You are symptomatic of every freetard I&#039;ve ever met..&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

But still, you are the only one here who has displayed a freetard mentality, remember? Which you did when you suggested that self chosen entrepreneurs should get or deserve money without having made any sale. &lt;b&gt;That&lt;/b&gt; is a freetard mentality if there ever was one, and only you display it. No pirate would ever dream of displaying such mentality or ignorance.

The desire to save money by not wasting it on buying economically worthless products however, products that anyone by definition can manufacture themselves at home, doesn&#039;t make them a &lt;i&gt;freetard&lt;/i&gt;, it makes them intelligent economically sane persons.

You continuously confusing economically sanity with your own proven freetard mentality is another indicator of you having missed out in school, or possibly simply having other issues, that&#039;s best addressed elsewhere.

&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;..likening yourselves to modern day freedom fighters..&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I have never done any such thing, you are still confusing me with someone else.

However, standing up for the human rights protected freedom of expression as defined in the Universal Charter of Human Rights, and as verified by the European Court of Human Rights to include filesharing of all copyrighted works, i guess that could make you a modern day freedom fighter in the eyes of some.

Is that what you have a problem with, people defending human rights? Well i guess all fascists would obviously disagree with human rights, and you have often in the past up-voted comments from openly self admitted fascists, so why not..

&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;..because you think that paying someone for their art is beneath you.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I think no such thing, but all sane people and all capitalists would definitely find it beneath them to pay any entrepreneur &lt;b&gt;when he haven&#039;t made a sale&lt;/b&gt;.

If you have a problem with that, your problem is a beef with capitalism and normal trade which has worked the same way for many thousands of years, not with pirates or on-line human rights protected sharing of copyrighted culture.

&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;I&#039;ll call you what you are - a THIEF&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You see, again the educational system has failed you. Miserably so. Although i guess some communist would call people that seemingly believe in capitalism and free trade  for thieves, when they throw a tantrum.

But go on insulting people with sexist rude ignorant behavior and slander, you might be building yourself up to a ban, just like the ignorant monopoly trolls before you did.

I guess since you miss them, you have taken it upon yourself to carry the burden of displaying ignorance publicly forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;No they don&#8217;t again where is your evidence?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>First of all, if they don&#8217;t give access to the raw data, they fall apart right there, as Ben pointed out.</p>
<p>Secondly, i&#8217;ve already given you a bunch of links in the past where their numbers were proven to be a contradiction or directly false, and your response was that you don&#8217;t believe in media outlets that challenge the Mafiaa&#8217;s numbers, unwilling to respond to what was actually written, instead simply calling their analysis of the Mafiaas numbers for propaganda. Do you remember? That&#8217;s why i earlier reminded you of your ignorance on that instance, with the words:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>confused a propaganda organization that fabricates it&#8217;s own numbers with a media outlet that reports on numbers other come up with</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Your response was to start to attack the site that reported on it, instead of the actual analysis and the numbers. I asked you if you didn&#8217;t understand the numbers and encouraged you to ask for help, but you refused to answer that question, showing that you weren&#8217;t interested in going over the actual numbers.</p>
<p>Why should anyone ever again try to provide you with any information, after that tantrum of yours??</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;yeah of course they have &#8211; again where&#8217;s your evidence?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That would be their own admission, when they have admitted that their numbers are bogus. Again, you really should stop getting your world news from the press release pages on the Mafiaa&#8217;s homepages. Because in the real media it has been thoroughly reported on when they did admit to making numbers up. Ben just gave you one of the many examples.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;..Oh I can make an educated guess.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yes so you believe, but as you have already proven, you missed the education that five year olds get, when they learn the difference between <i>taking</i> and <i>manufacturing</i>, and you missed the education where you learn the difference between the words <i>evidently</i> and <i>obviously</i>, nor do you understand the difference between a copy and an artistic work, nor do you understand the difference between <i>independent</i> and <i>fully dependent</i>, nor the difference between <i>impartial</i> and <i>biased</i>, nor do you understand that it&#8217;s impossible to pay for consumption of art.</p>
<p>The educational system has <b>evidently</b> failed you on so many levels(the evidence, should you ask, is obviously your own continuous display of ignorance regarding all the above mentioned misconceptions of yours), so you really should stay away from trying to make educated guesses, because you simply aren&#8217;t capable of performing those.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;You are symptomatic of every freetard I&#8217;ve ever met..&#8221;</i></p>
<p>But still, you are the only one here who has displayed a freetard mentality, remember? Which you did when you suggested that self chosen entrepreneurs should get or deserve money without having made any sale. <b>That</b> is a freetard mentality if there ever was one, and only you display it. No pirate would ever dream of displaying such mentality or ignorance.</p>
<p>The desire to save money by not wasting it on buying economically worthless products however, products that anyone by definition can manufacture themselves at home, doesn&#8217;t make them a <i>freetard</i>, it makes them intelligent economically sane persons.</p>
<p>You continuously confusing economically sanity with your own proven freetard mentality is another indicator of you having missed out in school, or possibly simply having other issues, that&#8217;s best addressed elsewhere.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;..likening yourselves to modern day freedom fighters..&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I have never done any such thing, you are still confusing me with someone else.</p>
<p>However, standing up for the human rights protected freedom of expression as defined in the Universal Charter of Human Rights, and as verified by the European Court of Human Rights to include filesharing of all copyrighted works, i guess that could make you a modern day freedom fighter in the eyes of some.</p>
<p>Is that what you have a problem with, people defending human rights? Well i guess all fascists would obviously disagree with human rights, and you have often in the past up-voted comments from openly self admitted fascists, so why not..</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;..because you think that paying someone for their art is beneath you.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I think no such thing, but all sane people and all capitalists would definitely find it beneath them to pay any entrepreneur <b>when he haven&#8217;t made a sale</b>.</p>
<p>If you have a problem with that, your problem is a beef with capitalism and normal trade which has worked the same way for many thousands of years, not with pirates or on-line human rights protected sharing of copyrighted culture.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;I&#8217;ll call you what you are &#8211; a THIEF&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You see, again the educational system has failed you. Miserably so. Although i guess some communist would call people that seemingly believe in capitalism and free trade  for thieves, when they throw a tantrum.</p>
<p>But go on insulting people with sexist rude ignorant behavior and slander, you might be building yourself up to a ban, just like the ignorant monopoly trolls before you did.</p>
<p>I guess since you miss them, you have taken it upon yourself to carry the burden of displaying ignorance publicly forward.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You haven&#039;t provided any shred of evidence to prove that Frederika is wrong and being as that hasn&#039;t worked to your advantage you now resort to name calling and in doing so discredits both you and your argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t provided any shred of evidence to prove that Frederika is wrong and being as that hasn&#8217;t worked to your advantage you now resort to name calling and in doing so discredits both you and your argument.</p>
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