Comments on: Hackulous: iPhone Pirates Don’t Hurt Jailbreaking’s Image

By: How Many Jailbreakers Pirate Apps? A Lot More Than You Think | Apple iPhone News

Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:09:27 +0000

[...] is small. However, the people behind these services really do seem to believe in doing good and their intentions are pure. Maybe I’m just a cynic. Or maybe, they’re out-of-touch idealists, who [...]

By: How Many Jailbreakers Pirate Apps? A Lot More Than You Think :: App Advice

How Many Jailbreakers Pirate Apps? A Lot More Than You Think :: App Advice — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:47:12 +0000

By: BPG

BPG — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:56:54 +0000

I understand that by typing this I cross the threshold into bitter, grumpy old man territory well before my 40s, but the “logic” shown in this discussion is laughable. The argument that since people can’t afford it so they should just take it is exactly the mentality that is killing this country, my god. I want it so I get it. I’m sorry that teenagers can’t afford lots of things. That’s kind of the incentive to go to school and get a career so you can afford shit like apps. Plus, how cash strapped can you be if you’re carrying a cell phone which costs a f’ing hondo a month to have. If you’re using it as a try first thing, fine. However I know about 20 people who use this and not one has ever bought something they’ve tried. Their mantra/selling point is, “YOU DON’T HAVE TO PAY!!!”. Just because it’s digital doesn’t make it any less unethical. Then the other side of this is, well you’re hurting people…..just not that much. You’re still hurting the people who are creating it! That’s like me using the logic of, “People think I kicked you in the nuts, but I really just slapped you in the face. See, not nearly as bad so that’s ok!!” I love jailbreaking, but it’s the people stealing apps that give Lord Jobs and the anti-jailbreaking community a righteous argument against it. Too bad. If you’re going to steal, fine that’s your choice. Don’t try to rationalize it though.

By: Nighttime

Nighttime — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:45:33 +0000

Tyrany I am not trying to stop jailbreaking. Jailbreaking allows me to us a different sim card when I travel and unlock or modify to access great features. My problem is that people will always will always equate jailbreaking with piracy Thanx to groups like hackulous. Even @planetbeing is selling an app on cydia called signal to continue funding his work. Would you steal from him after he work so hard to give us a jailbreak. People keep commenting on how there just taking a copy and that there is no harm. And how if they never intended to pay what’s the harm if they stole it. Well let me give you a break down.

Apple charges devs $99.99 to become a dev

I put an app on the AppStore and sell it for 0.99. I don’t make 0.99 I make 0.69 as apple gets 30% of each transaction.

Now for a new scenario. I make a free app an use iAds I need about thirty clicks to make 0.99 but I don’t make 0.99 I actually make 0.59 as apple takes 40% of the transaction seems fair (hell no! You do the work they make the money)

Each download of a “paid” app (reguardless of intent to pay) represents a transaction of let’s say 0.99 cents. Now the paid app has been downloaded (transactions) 10,000 times, out of 10,000 transactions (downloads) only 200 were legit AppStore purchases means that 9,800 transactions are lost revenue. That translates to 9,702 or 6,791.40 (after apple steals from me) that I will never see. Instead what I make from legit sale on the app store is 198.00 and after apple takes it 30% I’m left with 138.00 which means apple won’t pay me.

I know I’m not going to convince anyone to stop pirating as long as someone can say look at what my phone can do but, at least you all need to understand that dissident isn’t helping us he is hurting us for his own selfish gain. And remember that everything you buy is a copy of the original, the clothes you buy are copies, your watch, your books, your car etc. Fair enumeration of value. Surely anyone can save up to buy a 10.00 iTunes card. And simply when you buy an app you review should never be this is stupid as you probably knew it was stupid before you bought it but, rather you review should always contain “this is how it can be better” we devs are willing to work with you to make the product work for you.

Summary:
jailbreaking good
Piracy bad
And fire.

By: everyone

everyone — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:08:20 +0000

Can apple see if you have cracked apps on itunes or can they see apps that you did not buy. I have been trying to find this out for some time now.

By: AppTrackr: The-Site-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named Caters To Millions, Almost Every Other Jailbreaker :: App Advice

Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:33:57 +0000

[...] is low. However, the people behind these services really do seem to believe in doing good and their intentions seem pure. Maybe I’m just a cynic. Or maybe, they’re out-of-touch idealists, who [...]

By: scott

scott — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:44:09 +0000

One more thing……I have taken the position that if I buy the app for the iPhone then I should have rights to all incarnations of the app……it irks me to see them charging more for the same software for my iPad……it is just a big iPod touch….nothing new here especially since they have to scale the apps anyway for the retina display

By: scott

scott — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:40:15 +0000

Forgot to add, this was an Excellent article, I am struggling on how to explain to my 10 year old how using programs like hackulous may be technically illegal, it is still moral if you pay for what you keep.

By: scott

scott — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:35:17 +0000

although I have kept some more expensive apps, I have also gone beck and paid for ones that I tried through hackulous. It is for sure that 90 percent of the applications did not meet my standards and so I am thankful I was able to try it first.

By: drsgfire

drsgfire — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:20:17 +0000

I think you should change this in your article.

“Of course, free pirate copies of material otherwise available from the App Store also become available, largely through the Installous app which is installed via Cydia, a piece of software included in the jailbreak package.”

The installous package does not come included with cydia and to say it does is hurting the jailbreak community. The hackulous source must be added manually first to cydia and only then can you download the installuos package.