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		<title>By: Jens Roland</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, to the neverending list of commenters who seem to think the reason for the decline is that the &quot;Big 4&quot; only release &#039;crappy&#039; music, that is a very subjective argument, and one I would never make. What you call &#039;crappy&#039; translates to &#039;assembly line popular music&#039;, which translates to &#039;mainstream&#039;, which translates to &#039;big audience&#039;, which translates to PROFITABLE. The &#039;big 4&#039; have grown so big because they are really really good at making profitable music, and that hasn&#039;t changed all that much. I&#039;m not saying I love every television-born boy band, I&#039;m just saying that is probably not what&#039;s killing the big labels. They are just making the kind of music they know they can sell, and you can&#039;t really blame them for doing that. The music *may* be crap to you, but it&#039;s the kind of crap that people want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, to the neverending list of commenters who seem to think the reason for the decline is that the &#8220;Big 4&#8243; only release &#8216;crappy&#8217; music, that is a very subjective argument, and one I would never make. What you call &#8216;crappy&#8217; translates to &#8216;assembly line popular music&#8217;, which translates to &#8216;mainstream&#8217;, which translates to &#8216;big audience&#8217;, which translates to PROFITABLE. The &#8216;big 4&#8242; have grown so big because they are really really good at making profitable music, and that hasn&#8217;t changed all that much. I&#8217;m not saying I love every television-born boy band, I&#8217;m just saying that is probably not what&#8217;s killing the big labels. They are just making the kind of music they know they can sell, and you can&#8217;t really blame them for doing that. The music *may* be crap to you, but it&#8217;s the kind of crap that people want.</p>
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		<title>By: Jens Roland</title>
		<link>/how-to-kill-the-music-industry-090227/#comment-539864</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#242, Mark Evans:

&quot;Please don’t list a litany of things that you didn’t like about their pricing, marketing, distribution method as why it is ok to steal music (...) This essay is one big justification of file sharing&quot;

I need you to acknowledge that I *never* said it was okay to steal anything or to infringe on copyright. There are laws making those activities illegal, and I fully respect that. By assuming otherwise, you are repeatedly calling me a thief, or at least an instigator of crime. My article is not justifying anything, and you have some nerve to say that it does. It has to do with the *causes* of the recent decline in music revenues, since there are a lot of misconceptions that need clearing up. Including more than a few in your comment:

As to the major labels allowing streaming sources due to pressure? That&#039;s completely false. The labels have NEVER changed their practices until the business model could be PROVEN to make them more money. The tried vehemently to kill the LP, music on radio, the CD burner, the Rio, the cassette tape, and they *actually* killed the minidisc. *Any* new media format or initiative that might reduce revenues is met with litigation and cries of not &quot;uncle&quot;, but &quot;wolf&quot;. And *never* with acceptance due to &#039;pressure&#039;.

I also never disputed corporations&#039; right to control their own business models, since they DO own the product and can do with it as they please. All I am saying is when the business model that ensured their high revenues withers, to keep their expectations realistic and not fool themselves about the reasons. And if they believe file sharing is &quot;fully to blame&quot;, they are plainly wrong.

&quot;If you have actual data on decreased music consumed, I really would like to see it.&quot;

You know as well as I do that such numbers are extremely difficult to come by. Not even the music industry has objective numbers on music consumption. But would you accept a documented decline in music sales? ;-)

&quot;kids today DO NOT, DO NOT pay for music&quot;

Any data on that? At all? Or is it just another assumption based on your mental model of the world?

&quot;(’85-’89) I bought lots and lots of CD (...) Would I do this today? Of course not&quot;

So because you are the type of person who would have downloaded music illegally (that you&#039;d have bought otherwise), then by extension everyone else does the same? If that is your logic, then I see the problem. Personally, I don&#039;t believe &#039;kids&#039; who download 1.000 illegal music tracks are all kids who would have bought 1.000 tracks if the internet hadn&#039;t existed - not even close. This is easily proven by the industry&#039;s own numbers. The FACT is, the &#039;kids&#039; who download what they can&#039;t afford are the same &#039;kids&#039; who used to record what they couldn&#039;t afford on cassette tapes, and the &#039;kids&#039; before them who used to listen on the radio to the records they couldn&#039;t afford. I am actually trying to compile the blank cassette tape sales numbers right now, since I am suspecting that they will show that the high ratios of illegal downloads to legal purchases reported today will actually match the ratio of blank cassette copies to original albums back in the day. Disprove that, and you have a case.

In conclusion, I think you should re-read my article, this time without assuming I am trying to endorse or justify illegal activities (how the hell you got that from my article is simply beyond me). I am trying to point out a major flaw in the scapegoating logic that is all too prevalent in the music industry. And you are guilty of the same jumping-to-easy-answers, when you say &quot;piracy and file sharing was, by far, the single biggest factor in the decline (...) This is really pretty simple&quot;. It is *not* that simple, and that is the point of my article. You cling to this assumption because it is simple and fits into your world view, but you offer no evidence to support your claim, and that is why my article was sorely needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#242, Mark Evans:</p>
<p>&#8220;Please don’t list a litany of things that you didn’t like about their pricing, marketing, distribution method as why it is ok to steal music (&#8230;) This essay is one big justification of file sharing&#8221;</p>
<p>I need you to acknowledge that I *never* said it was okay to steal anything or to infringe on copyright. There are laws making those activities illegal, and I fully respect that. By assuming otherwise, you are repeatedly calling me a thief, or at least an instigator of crime. My article is not justifying anything, and you have some nerve to say that it does. It has to do with the *causes* of the recent decline in music revenues, since there are a lot of misconceptions that need clearing up. Including more than a few in your comment:</p>
<p>As to the major labels allowing streaming sources due to pressure? That&#8217;s completely false. The labels have NEVER changed their practices until the business model could be PROVEN to make them more money. The tried vehemently to kill the LP, music on radio, the CD burner, the Rio, the cassette tape, and they *actually* killed the minidisc. *Any* new media format or initiative that might reduce revenues is met with litigation and cries of not &#8220;uncle&#8221;, but &#8220;wolf&#8221;. And *never* with acceptance due to &#8216;pressure&#8217;.</p>
<p>I also never disputed corporations&#8217; right to control their own business models, since they DO own the product and can do with it as they please. All I am saying is when the business model that ensured their high revenues withers, to keep their expectations realistic and not fool themselves about the reasons. And if they believe file sharing is &#8220;fully to blame&#8221;, they are plainly wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you have actual data on decreased music consumed, I really would like to see it.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know as well as I do that such numbers are extremely difficult to come by. Not even the music industry has objective numbers on music consumption. But would you accept a documented decline in music sales? ;-)</p>
<p>&#8220;kids today DO NOT, DO NOT pay for music&#8221;</p>
<p>Any data on that? At all? Or is it just another assumption based on your mental model of the world?</p>
<p>&#8220;(’85-’89) I bought lots and lots of CD (&#8230;) Would I do this today? Of course not&#8221;</p>
<p>So because you are the type of person who would have downloaded music illegally (that you&#8217;d have bought otherwise), then by extension everyone else does the same? If that is your logic, then I see the problem. Personally, I don&#8217;t believe &#8216;kids&#8217; who download 1.000 illegal music tracks are all kids who would have bought 1.000 tracks if the internet hadn&#8217;t existed &#8211; not even close. This is easily proven by the industry&#8217;s own numbers. The FACT is, the &#8216;kids&#8217; who download what they can&#8217;t afford are the same &#8216;kids&#8217; who used to record what they couldn&#8217;t afford on cassette tapes, and the &#8216;kids&#8217; before them who used to listen on the radio to the records they couldn&#8217;t afford. I am actually trying to compile the blank cassette tape sales numbers right now, since I am suspecting that they will show that the high ratios of illegal downloads to legal purchases reported today will actually match the ratio of blank cassette copies to original albums back in the day. Disprove that, and you have a case.</p>
<p>In conclusion, I think you should re-read my article, this time without assuming I am trying to endorse or justify illegal activities (how the hell you got that from my article is simply beyond me). I am trying to point out a major flaw in the scapegoating logic that is all too prevalent in the music industry. And you are guilty of the same jumping-to-easy-answers, when you say &#8220;piracy and file sharing was, by far, the single biggest factor in the decline (&#8230;) This is really pretty simple&#8221;. It is *not* that simple, and that is the point of my article. You cling to this assumption because it is simple and fits into your world view, but you offer no evidence to support your claim, and that is why my article was sorely needed.</p>
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		<title>By: kazkas</title>
		<link>/how-to-kill-the-music-industry-090227/#comment-539750</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[two more points:
1. Record labels are now focused on main stream, minimising risks. That means more and more music from Big 4 are absolutely the same sh*t, so people turn to independent labels.
2. Remember, how many times in 80s you bought an album you would listen 1 or 2 times only? Now with ability to listen songs and read reviews before buying CD so people now buying less, because buying what they really like only.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two more points:<br />
1. Record labels are now focused on main stream, minimising risks. That means more and more music from Big 4 are absolutely the same sh*t, so people turn to independent labels.<br />
2. Remember, how many times in 80s you bought an album you would listen 1 or 2 times only? Now with ability to listen songs and read reviews before buying CD so people now buying less, because buying what they really like only.</p>
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		<title>By: Fenris</title>
		<link>/how-to-kill-the-music-industry-090227/#comment-539678</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you download a song for free to listen to that you would not have paid to hear had you had no choice but to pay if you wanted to hear it, then it cannot be stealing. You&#039;ve not actually taken anything physical from anyone and you haven&#039;t cost anyone money.

What the industry never likes to mention is that if you took the estimate downloads of music and replace each one of them with actual album and single purchases to get the same material across, you&#039;d see probably the biggest boom in the record industry ever. Even with all those other factors for it&#039;s decline. That makes no sense, because those downloads would not have equated to actual sales.

So what does that mean? That the illegal download means more people are hearing music then would have been had they been forced to buy.

How can that be a bad thing for the future of music?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you download a song for free to listen to that you would not have paid to hear had you had no choice but to pay if you wanted to hear it, then it cannot be stealing. You&#8217;ve not actually taken anything physical from anyone and you haven&#8217;t cost anyone money.</p>
<p>What the industry never likes to mention is that if you took the estimate downloads of music and replace each one of them with actual album and single purchases to get the same material across, you&#8217;d see probably the biggest boom in the record industry ever. Even with all those other factors for it&#8217;s decline. That makes no sense, because those downloads would not have equated to actual sales.</p>
<p>So what does that mean? That the illegal download means more people are hearing music then would have been had they been forced to buy.</p>
<p>How can that be a bad thing for the future of music?</p>
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		<title>By: So what is so wrong with the 360 deal? &#187; MarkCarras.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] trend in record contracts. Labels try and claim they getting enough money from record sales (which many call B.S. on). So they now con the artists into giving up a large percentage of the tour and merch money as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] trend in record contracts. Labels try and claim they getting enough money from record sales (which many call B.S. on). So they now con the artists into giving up a large percentage of the tour and merch money as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scooter Scotland</title>
		<link>/how-to-kill-the-music-industry-090227/#comment-539584</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS - i think you will find that streaming media is the target now! is that stealing? wise up! people who file share also buy music...if they didnt file share they wouldnt buy music..stop thinking that they are detracting from otherwise generous sources of revenue.. we get charged 70p per song. noo distribution costs, no art work, no store wages to pay, no physical product...who is stealing really? makes me tired this ignorant argument]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; i think you will find that streaming media is the target now! is that stealing? wise up! people who file share also buy music&#8230;if they didnt file share they wouldnt buy music..stop thinking that they are detracting from otherwise generous sources of revenue.. we get charged 70p per song. noo distribution costs, no art work, no store wages to pay, no physical product&#8230;who is stealing really? makes me tired this ignorant argument</p>
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		<title>By: Scooter Scotland</title>
		<link>/how-to-kill-the-music-industry-090227/#comment-539582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scooter Scotland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact is they are flogging a dead horse. when sites such as last FM could charge users a small subscriptions fee then pay royalties based on radio plays it all makes perfect sense.. no viruses , no wipeouts and no hassles. Artists distributed without the labels. perfect...but what do they do? they try to stop it or at least limit it. they are panicing and are lost. Last FM was set up by two uni students and sold for £150M. if they can do it after 4 years study why can the industry..only one person will kill the industry, themselves...and good riddence to the lot of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is they are flogging a dead horse. when sites such as last FM could charge users a small subscriptions fee then pay royalties based on radio plays it all makes perfect sense.. no viruses , no wipeouts and no hassles. Artists distributed without the labels. perfect&#8230;but what do they do? they try to stop it or at least limit it. they are panicing and are lost. Last FM was set up by two uni students and sold for £150M. if they can do it after 4 years study why can the industry..only one person will kill the industry, themselves&#8230;and good riddence to the lot of them.</p>
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		<title>By: timmay</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oH PLEASE-
People so clearly do know exactly what &#039;file sharing&#039; is!

Its STEALING!
Thats half the reason they do it!

How else to explain that no one cares about QUALITY- otherwise MP3s wouldnt exist- only quantity-

WHY the endless diatribes about how &#039;It really NOT theft! No! See, because...etc.&quot;

You kill off the record co.s, fine. No there is no one to find, nurture, and promote bands -properly-

the proof:

Todays music!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oH PLEASE-<br />
People so clearly do know exactly what &#8216;file sharing&#8217; is!</p>
<p>Its STEALING!<br />
Thats half the reason they do it!</p>
<p>How else to explain that no one cares about QUALITY- otherwise MP3s wouldnt exist- only quantity-</p>
<p>WHY the endless diatribes about how &#8216;It really NOT theft! No! See, because&#8230;etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>You kill off the record co.s, fine. No there is no one to find, nurture, and promote bands -properly-</p>
<p>the proof:</p>
<p>Todays music!</p>
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		<title>By: Hennessy Love Machine</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;La Revolución de la Música...&lt;/strong&gt;

Hola comrades. I read quite an interesting blog post recently by Jens Roland called How to Kill the Music Industry. It describes the compounding reasons why a paradigm shift has occurred in the acquisition of music since (approx) 2000, relating specifi...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>La Revolución de la Música&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Hola comrades. I read quite an interesting blog post recently by Jens Roland called How to Kill the Music Industry. It describes the compounding reasons why a paradigm shift has occurred in the acquisition of music since (approx) 2000, relating specifi&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AznMusicLuvr</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, your forgetting globalization. Japan is all the rage right now, alot of fans of final fantasy and other video games are listening to Japanese and Korean music...and Chinese rap 0.0
Japan is the videogame music empire, nothing like it even exists outside, not even in the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, your forgetting globalization. Japan is all the rage right now, alot of fans of final fantasy and other video games are listening to Japanese and Korean music&#8230;and Chinese rap 0.0<br />
Japan is the videogame music empire, nothing like it even exists outside, not even in the US.</p>
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