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		<title>By: Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] his Honour’s decision to dismiss the proceeding was correct,” the ruling from Justice Emmett read. “In my opinion the appeal should be [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct &#124; Links Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct &#124; Links Daily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] his Honour’s decision to dismiss the proceeding was correct,” the ruling from Justice Emmett read. “In my opinion the appeal should be [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: P2PTalk &#187; Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P2PTalk &#187; Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] his Honour’s decision to dismiss the proceeding was correct,” the ruling from Justice Emmett read. “In my opinion the appeal should be [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct &#124; We R Pirates</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct &#124; We R Pirates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] his Honour’s decision to dismiss the proceeding was correct,” the ruling from Justice Emmett read. “In my opinion the appeal should be [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct &#124; TorrentFreak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Following AFACT v iiNet, Internet Industry Formulates Copyright Code of Conduct &#124; TorrentFreak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] his Honour’s decision to dismiss the proceeding was correct,” the ruling from Justice Emmett read. “In my opinion the appeal should be [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Destaques da semana » PCManias.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Destaques da semana » PCManias.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] de TV, apesar de saberem que isso era feito. A decisão foi a mesma da primeira instancia: os ISPs não são responsáveis por vigiar os seus clientes, bloquear conteúdos ou agir contra os clientes que a AFACT &#8220;identifica&#8221; como piratas. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de TV, apesar de saberem que isso era feito. A decisão foi a mesma da primeira instancia: os ISPs não são responsáveis por vigiar os seus clientes, bloquear conteúdos ou agir contra os clientes que a AFACT &#8220;identifica&#8221; como piratas. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PvdW</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doc,

Justic Jagot said it was not unreasonable or overly burdensome for iiNet to implement a strategy of warning customers as they already mechanisms in place for other account issues (non-payment fees, spam, etc).

That said, Emmett says rights holders pay &quot;reasonable costs&quot;.  Jagot said ISP should pay, and Nicholas makes no comment.

1-1, and hardly clear who will foot the bill for such a system going forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc,</p>
<p>Justic Jagot said it was not unreasonable or overly burdensome for iiNet to implement a strategy of warning customers as they already mechanisms in place for other account issues (non-payment fees, spam, etc).</p>
<p>That said, Emmett says rights holders pay &#8220;reasonable costs&#8221;.  Jagot said ISP should pay, and Nicholas makes no comment.</p>
<p>1-1, and hardly clear who will foot the bill for such a system going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: DocGerbil100</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t remember that second judge&#039;s comment and I can&#039;t be arsed to read through the thing again to find it, but my reading of the particular issue is that - according to an apparently uncontested point made by iiNet - it is normal practise for police and security agencies to reimburse ISPs for investigative work.  I&#039;m not clear on whether there&#039;s an official industry policy regarding crapflooding, but I think ISPs would negotiate and work with police, etc, to minimise excessive numbers.

If that&#039;s correct, then a case centred on the issue will quickly show that it is so - and it seems to me highly unlikely that any court will go against those practises and find in favour of AFACT.  Apart from anything else, I think they would want very compelling reasons to overturn industry standards and contradict other legal authorities that have already accepted this as reasonable - especially if that change is on behalf of a commercial organisation like AFACT: the &quot;natural&quot; onus is upon AFACT to pay, as they are the beneficiaries of the requested service.

Any other decision would logically only lead to an impossible quantity of spurious complaints made by AFACT and other parties who have a vested interest in harming the internet - all the MAFIAA would have to do is get each of it&#039;s corporate members to do separate searches for every infringement they can find, submit all the complaints in the suggested way and then sue iiNet yet again, for not being able to simultaneously investigate millions of complaints in a timely fashion.

The judges are working to the obligations of Australian law, but they don&#039;t seem to me to be lacking in common sense.  If AFACT tries to abuse whatever system comes out of all this, I think they&#039;ll almost certainly lose. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember that second judge&#8217;s comment and I can&#8217;t be arsed to read through the thing again to find it, but my reading of the particular issue is that &#8211; according to an apparently uncontested point made by iiNet &#8211; it is normal practise for police and security agencies to reimburse ISPs for investigative work.  I&#8217;m not clear on whether there&#8217;s an official industry policy regarding crapflooding, but I think ISPs would negotiate and work with police, etc, to minimise excessive numbers.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s correct, then a case centred on the issue will quickly show that it is so &#8211; and it seems to me highly unlikely that any court will go against those practises and find in favour of AFACT.  Apart from anything else, I think they would want very compelling reasons to overturn industry standards and contradict other legal authorities that have already accepted this as reasonable &#8211; especially if that change is on behalf of a commercial organisation like AFACT: the &#8220;natural&#8221; onus is upon AFACT to pay, as they are the beneficiaries of the requested service.</p>
<p>Any other decision would logically only lead to an impossible quantity of spurious complaints made by AFACT and other parties who have a vested interest in harming the internet &#8211; all the MAFIAA would have to do is get each of it&#8217;s corporate members to do separate searches for every infringement they can find, submit all the complaints in the suggested way and then sue iiNet yet again, for not being able to simultaneously investigate millions of complaints in a timely fashion.</p>
<p>The judges are working to the obligations of Australian law, but they don&#8217;t seem to me to be lacking in common sense.  If AFACT tries to abuse whatever system comes out of all this, I think they&#8217;ll almost certainly lose. :)</p>
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		<title>By: PvdW</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@van dam.

RE: AFACT paying costs.  One judge made the comment that AFACT should pay *reasonable costs*. One judge said iiNet should absorb the costs.  The other made no comment. So it is 1-1 in that regards, and on that, the cost issue is fair from certain who must pay for implementing a scheme.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@van dam.</p>
<p>RE: AFACT paying costs.  One judge made the comment that AFACT should pay *reasonable costs*. One judge said iiNet should absorb the costs.  The other made no comment. So it is 1-1 in that regards, and on that, the cost issue is fair from certain who must pay for implementing a scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: PvdW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PvdW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@van dam.

RE: AFACT paying costs.  One judge made the comment that AFACT should pay *reasonable costs*. One judge said iiNet should absorb the costs.  The other made no comment. So it is 1-1 in that regards, and on that, the cost issue is fair from certain who must pay for implementing a scheme.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@van dam.</p>
<p>RE: AFACT paying costs.  One judge made the comment that AFACT should pay *reasonable costs*. One judge said iiNet should absorb the costs.  The other made no comment. So it is 1-1 in that regards, and on that, the cost issue is fair from certain who must pay for implementing a scheme.</p>
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