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	<title>Comments on: U.S. Judge Dismisses &#8220;Copyright Shakedown&#8221; of Foreign Video Sites</title>
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		<title>By: Gene Poole</title>
		<link>/judge-dismisses-u-s-copyright-shakedown-of-foreign-video-sites-120111/#comment-1022710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Poole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing this six strike program is going to do is teach the masses how to use encryption, how to cover their tracks. Even casual users are going to jump onto vpns or i2p after their first warning. The only people making it to 5 strikes are going to be the innocent, which is going to be very embarrassing for the ISPs and lead to a lot of bad press as the media crows about the 89 year old women without computers that are being sued by the MAFIAA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing this six strike program is going to do is teach the masses how to use encryption, how to cover their tracks. Even casual users are going to jump onto vpns or i2p after their first warning. The only people making it to 5 strikes are going to be the innocent, which is going to be very embarrassing for the ISPs and lead to a lot of bad press as the media crows about the 89 year old women without computers that are being sued by the MAFIAA.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Poole</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Poole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;he comes as close to calling the plaintiff an idiot as it is possible for a judge to do without violating court protocol.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I dunno, keep an eye on Prenda, I have a feeling the judges dealing with them will show how close to the line a judge can really get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;he comes as close to calling the plaintiff an idiot as it is possible for a judge to do without violating court protocol.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I dunno, keep an eye on Prenda, I have a feeling the judges dealing with them will show how close to the line a judge can really get.</p>
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		<title>By: WorldDomination</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WorldDomination]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Since that scheme is set to catch very few to no pirates&quot;

One pirate caught is one too many. And besides that&#039;s not my point. My point was that if they cannot get their way in parliament, the copyright trolls will get what they want some other way, like PayPal blocking payments, court orders blocking sites, n-strikes schemes, etc. The means are different but the result is the same, if not worse.

&quot;every time copyright enforcement gets news time, the pirate movement swells.&quot;

If you live in a delusional world maybe, but in the real world more people sharing files online still hasn&#039;t translated into more Pirate Party members nor votes (certainly not where I live).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since that scheme is set to catch very few to no pirates&#8221;</p>
<p>One pirate caught is one too many. And besides that&#8217;s not my point. My point was that if they cannot get their way in parliament, the copyright trolls will get what they want some other way, like PayPal blocking payments, court orders blocking sites, n-strikes schemes, etc. The means are different but the result is the same, if not worse.</p>
<p>&#8220;every time copyright enforcement gets news time, the pirate movement swells.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you live in a delusional world maybe, but in the real world more people sharing files online still hasn&#8217;t translated into more Pirate Party members nor votes (certainly not where I live).</p>
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		<title>By: Scary_Devil_Monastery</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scary_Devil_Monastery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Proof of it is that you still get a 6 strikes scheme in the US.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

A number of ISP&#039;s have decided to &quot;voluntarily&quot; go along with the &quot;six-strikes scheme&quot;.

Since that scheme is set to catch very few to no pirates, and on the contrary leaves the participating ISP&#039;s in an extremely vulnerable position, my prediction is that it will turn out to be even less successful than the french HADOPI (which has far more draconian measures and actual judicial power directly involved from the get-go).

The six-strike scheme is the blank shot left over when the rest of the cupboard has turned out to be bare. It does nothing. Worse as far as the copyright cartels are concerned, it serves only to seat copyright enforcement, like a fat, ugly and intrusive toad, right in the breakfast cereal bowl of millions of people.

Now &quot;Anon&quot;, bobmail, and the other copyright maximalists think this is great news. Whereas every pirate knows every time copyright enforcement gets news time, the pirate movement swells.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Proof of it is that you still get a 6 strikes scheme in the US.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>A number of ISP&#8217;s have decided to &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; go along with the &#8220;six-strikes scheme&#8221;.</p>
<p>Since that scheme is set to catch very few to no pirates, and on the contrary leaves the participating ISP&#8217;s in an extremely vulnerable position, my prediction is that it will turn out to be even less successful than the french HADOPI (which has far more draconian measures and actual judicial power directly involved from the get-go).</p>
<p>The six-strike scheme is the blank shot left over when the rest of the cupboard has turned out to be bare. It does nothing. Worse as far as the copyright cartels are concerned, it serves only to seat copyright enforcement, like a fat, ugly and intrusive toad, right in the breakfast cereal bowl of millions of people.</p>
<p>Now &#8220;Anon&#8221;, bobmail, and the other copyright maximalists think this is great news. Whereas every pirate knows every time copyright enforcement gets news time, the pirate movement swells.</p>
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		<title>By: Scary_Devil_Monastery</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scary_Devil_Monastery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Actually, as soon as the service is offered in the US, there is jurisdiction per US law for the part of any transaction that happens in the US....&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That, in this case, would be recipience of services and nothing else. The US beef can and must exclusively be with the end customer.

There is ample precedence for how this works. And once again you imply there is any alternative other than insisting US law is Global law.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...Taken to the extreme, that would include &quot;ad supported&quot; business models that make money when US surfers click...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

France did try to imply that Google ought to be taxed for generating ad revenues from french citizen a few years ago. &lt;b&gt;Every lawyer on the planet laughed at them&lt;/b&gt;. As they would laugh at you if they heard you repeat the gallic blunder.

Ad revenue is generated in whatever country where the ads are actually &lt;b&gt;paid for&lt;/b&gt;. And nowhere else. Until then, you see, no fiscal transaction has taken place.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...but is much more easily understood when a US citizen pays for a service, which while provided by a company outside of the US is actually consumed in the US.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And this is where your argument spirals into screaming lunacy. By that argument, &lt;b&gt;buying a banana in Mexico and eating it in Texas would mean you legally speaking bought the banana in Texas and now owe the state sales tax.&lt;/b&gt; 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The reality here is that the laws on the books don&#039;t spell this out well enough, and scammers and thieves use that to their advantage.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The reality, as spelled out above, is that you don&#039;t have a fucking clue because the laws on the books &lt;b&gt;do spell out - in painstaking clarity - all the relevant aspects of the situation.&lt;/b&gt;
Judge Bennett apparently shares this assessment and does not refer to any ambiguity when handing down his ruling. Indeed, he comes as close to calling the plaintiff an idiot as it is possible for a judge to do without violating court protocol.

As can clearly be seen.

No, bobmail. whereas you only used to stroll in the periphery of &quot;Anon&quot;&#039;s la-la-land this time you apparently decided to detour straight across it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Actually, as soon as the service is offered in the US, there is jurisdiction per US law for the part of any transaction that happens in the US&#8230;.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That, in this case, would be recipience of services and nothing else. The US beef can and must exclusively be with the end customer.</p>
<p>There is ample precedence for how this works. And once again you imply there is any alternative other than insisting US law is Global law.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;Taken to the extreme, that would include &#8220;ad supported&#8221; business models that make money when US surfers click&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>France did try to imply that Google ought to be taxed for generating ad revenues from french citizen a few years ago. <b>Every lawyer on the planet laughed at them</b>. As they would laugh at you if they heard you repeat the gallic blunder.</p>
<p>Ad revenue is generated in whatever country where the ads are actually <b>paid for</b>. And nowhere else. Until then, you see, no fiscal transaction has taken place.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;but is much more easily understood when a US citizen pays for a service, which while provided by a company outside of the US is actually consumed in the US.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And this is where your argument spirals into screaming lunacy. By that argument, <b>buying a banana in Mexico and eating it in Texas would mean you legally speaking bought the banana in Texas and now owe the state sales tax.</b> </p>
<p><i>&#8220;The reality here is that the laws on the books don&#8217;t spell this out well enough, and scammers and thieves use that to their advantage.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The reality, as spelled out above, is that you don&#8217;t have a fucking clue because the laws on the books <b>do spell out &#8211; in painstaking clarity &#8211; all the relevant aspects of the situation.</b><br />
Judge Bennett apparently shares this assessment and does not refer to any ambiguity when handing down his ruling. Indeed, he comes as close to calling the plaintiff an idiot as it is possible for a judge to do without violating court protocol.</p>
<p>As can clearly be seen.</p>
<p>No, bobmail. whereas you only used to stroll in the periphery of &#8220;Anon&#8221;&#8216;s la-la-land this time you apparently decided to detour straight across it.</p>
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		<title>By: WorldDomination</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WorldDomination]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People DO forget (with a little/a lot of help from the media, granted). And oh yes, SIPA et al. have failed to pass in parliaments (for now), but that has never stopped people in power from getting their way. Proof of it is that you still get a 6 strikes scheme in the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People DO forget (with a little/a lot of help from the media, granted). And oh yes, SIPA et al. have failed to pass in parliaments (for now), but that has never stopped people in power from getting their way. Proof of it is that you still get a 6 strikes scheme in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Chillinfart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chillinfart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a few words, no evidence and a bad use of justice from FraserSide.

Double fail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a few words, no evidence and a bad use of justice from FraserSide.</p>
<p>Double fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whatever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t seem to be able to decide which countries laws you actually want to follow. So which country is it going to be (up until now) ? Sweden, Usa or Hong Kong (China).

Secondly you and your nejtillbobmail mates always state that the law is above all. Now all of a sudden you state that the law is flawed while at every ruling which you actually like you say it is perfect ?

You and your fellow MAFIAA drones keep contradicting yourself and lying.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t seem to be able to decide which countries laws you actually want to follow. So which country is it going to be (up until now) ? Sweden, Usa or Hong Kong (China).</p>
<p>Secondly you and your nejtillbobmail mates always state that the law is above all. Now all of a sudden you state that the law is flawed while at every ruling which you actually like you say it is perfect ?</p>
<p>You and your fellow MAFIAA drones keep contradicting yourself and lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A stereotypical movie villain: &quot;You may have defeated me this time, but I will be back!&quot;

*Cackle* *Cackle* *Cough* *Disappear until next episode*

For 100 episodes, which one will win: the poor or the rich?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A stereotypical movie villain: &#8220;You may have defeated me this time, but I will be back!&#8221;</p>
<p>*Cackle* *Cackle* *Cough* *Disappear until next episode*</p>
<p>For 100 episodes, which one will win: the poor or the rich?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s because the Faragallas defaulted (didn&#039;t show up or defend the action).  The judge was required to accept the allegations of the complaint and affidavits submitted by Fraserside, since there was nothing submitted by the other side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s because the Faragallas defaulted (didn&#8217;t show up or defend the action).  The judge was required to accept the allegations of the complaint and affidavits submitted by Fraserside, since there was nothing submitted by the other side.</p>
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