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		<title>By: Gav</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A much better idea would be to set up a tracker, have music companies upload high quality copies of their tracks to it (only music companies, nobody else), and allow access to it for say Â£10/month. Also, have adverts on this tracker, allowing more revenue for them.

We can dream, can&#039;t we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A much better idea would be to set up a tracker, have music companies upload high quality copies of their tracks to it (only music companies, nobody else), and allow access to it for say Â£10/month. Also, have adverts on this tracker, allowing more revenue for them.</p>
<p>We can dream, can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: ArtyTorrent</title>
		<link>/legal-p2p-music-service-doomed-to-fail/#comment-486789</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t see this being much of a success, although the philosophy is kind of a step in the right direction.

Ignoring the debate about how the technology will work, the two philosophical problems with this model are:

1. Rights owners are record companies which I don&#039;t wish to support.

2. If Playlouder is taking a cut, that means an even smaller proportion of the money goes to the artists. We need to cut out the middleman, not add yet another one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see this being much of a success, although the philosophy is kind of a step in the right direction.</p>
<p>Ignoring the debate about how the technology will work, the two philosophical problems with this model are:</p>
<p>1. Rights owners are record companies which I don&#8217;t wish to support.</p>
<p>2. If Playlouder is taking a cut, that means an even smaller proportion of the money goes to the artists. We need to cut out the middleman, not add yet another one.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>/legal-p2p-music-service-doomed-to-fail/#comment-486563</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@5

Then there is no need for seeding, the point is that when you are fighting with other peers for downloading fastest, you WILL get more if you seed more! :)

You don&#039;t need to seed a lot to see a big difference in downloadingspeed sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5</p>
<p>Then there is no need for seeding, the point is that when you are fighting with other peers for downloading fastest, you WILL get more if you seed more! :)</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to seed a lot to see a big difference in downloadingspeed sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: angry.squirrel</title>
		<link>/legal-p2p-music-service-doomed-to-fail/#comment-486341</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hahhahhahah, oh please, this  is absolutely the most idiotic thing ive heard this weak, i give em three months before they end up just like any other similiar service...dead]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahhahhahah, oh please, this  is absolutely the most idiotic thing ive heard this weak, i give em three months before they end up just like any other similiar service&#8230;dead</p>
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		<title>By: 777</title>
		<link>/legal-p2p-music-service-doomed-to-fail/#comment-486261</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[DISCLAIMER: LONG][+lazy]
@3- &#039;men. &quot;How will they handle derivative works?&quot;[+1]

Plus, downloading =/= liking.  And in this system there is still not really a way of showing appreciation- say unknown poor-as-shit band {A} you find fantastic, would get the same as that famous rich pop artist of whom you&#039;re just looking for 1 track from the torrent, but don&#039;t know the name, to take a small sample from; to remix.   

B&#039;sides, i&#039;m still not &#039;over&#039; the idea of musicians being able to make more than a months labour making stuff they love; but still, you could call that work. Think there should be a whole lot less industry behind it.
possible hypocrit btw.

oh!@6- that would be something!! legal oink. right.
 probably [since corporate] less love in it; thus [if] modded from a diff pov.

@12: &quot;Just drop the DPI and allow the user to report what they downloaded themselves&quot;+1

15 by pink panther: hehe, d0h!

all in all i&#039;m gonna stop here; the whole system could still be topled by perhaps a client [new o/s?] that is a media player, rater, organiser, downloader, cashpayer, releaser? [all have to be perfect and partly community supported, perhaps iphone like]
yes~ need sleep/other worldly vital activities atm



[nvm..]
@25 &quot;to limit such things to the internet is way too narrow&quot; =]
@26 &quot;it is about &quot;sharing stuff.&quot;&quot; +1
@29 michael: c&#039;mon. really.    there&#039;s a way different change needed than itunes compensation strategy.
@31: +1 pay proper people yes ofcourse
@37 quasimode: ntb..

#ps, i don&#039;t think the income should really depend on the amount of downloads..
&#039;cause even now there&#039;s the huge hollywood produced pile with people too rich for any good; how about a min/max wage line for anyone anywhere doing anything... meh.
Meaning still if no one listens/downloads no cash, but when superduperpopular perhaps stIll not get more than f.i. E10000 a month: which would already be a lot.
my2.


[@40 ahem: chill.   the point stays that [at times?] you can finish downloading torrents before you&#039;ve uploaded even 1%.  doesn&#039;t mean you have to stop sharing once you have it though.

 be good, people; i&#039;m off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[DISCLAIMER: LONG][+lazy]<br />
@3- &#8216;men. &#8220;How will they handle derivative works?&#8221;[+1]</p>
<p>Plus, downloading =/= liking.  And in this system there is still not really a way of showing appreciation- say unknown poor-as-shit band {A} you find fantastic, would get the same as that famous rich pop artist of whom you&#8217;re just looking for 1 track from the torrent, but don&#8217;t know the name, to take a small sample from; to remix.   </p>
<p>B&#8217;sides, i&#8217;m still not &#8216;over&#8217; the idea of musicians being able to make more than a months labour making stuff they love; but still, you could call that work. Think there should be a whole lot less industry behind it.<br />
possible hypocrit btw.</p>
<p>oh!@6- that would be something!! legal oink. right.<br />
 probably [since corporate] less love in it; thus [if] modded from a diff pov.</p>
<p>@12: &#8220;Just drop the DPI and allow the user to report what they downloaded themselves&#8221;+1</p>
<p>15 by pink panther: hehe, d0h!</p>
<p>all in all i&#8217;m gonna stop here; the whole system could still be topled by perhaps a client [new o/s?] that is a media player, rater, organiser, downloader, cashpayer, releaser? [all have to be perfect and partly community supported, perhaps iphone like]<br />
yes~ need sleep/other worldly vital activities atm</p>
<p>[nvm..]<br />
@25 &#8220;to limit such things to the internet is way too narrow&#8221; =]<br />
@26 &#8220;it is about &#8220;sharing stuff.&#8221;&#8221; +1<br />
@29 michael: c&#8217;mon. really.    there&#8217;s a way different change needed than itunes compensation strategy.<br />
@31: +1 pay proper people yes ofcourse<br />
@37 quasimode: ntb..</p>
<p>#ps, i don&#8217;t think the income should really depend on the amount of downloads..<br />
&#8217;cause even now there&#8217;s the huge hollywood produced pile with people too rich for any good; how about a min/max wage line for anyone anywhere doing anything&#8230; meh.<br />
Meaning still if no one listens/downloads no cash, but when superduperpopular perhaps stIll not get more than f.i. E10000 a month: which would already be a lot.<br />
my2.</p>
<p>[@40 ahem: chill.   the point stays that [at times?] you can finish downloading torrents before you&#8217;ve uploaded even 1%.  doesn&#8217;t mean you have to stop sharing once you have it though.</p>
<p> be good, people; i&#8217;m off.</p>
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		<title>By: ahum</title>
		<link>/legal-p2p-music-service-doomed-to-fail/#comment-486166</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Vince

You say youve been using it for over 3 years yet you still dont know how it works.

Just because you were able to download at ULTRA FAST SPEEDS!1!! from one torrent doesn&#039;t mean anything. Trackers give priority to uploaders, not leechers. 

It really doesnt matter anyway, your a complete piece of shit for not uploading anything. Someone was kind enough to upload to you, so your going to be a douche nozzle and not give anything back. Your a leecher, you dont deserve to use P2P, please send me your IP so I can ban you from my client. 

Fuck You.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Vince</p>
<p>You say youve been using it for over 3 years yet you still dont know how it works.</p>
<p>Just because you were able to download at ULTRA FAST SPEEDS!1!! from one torrent doesn&#8217;t mean anything. Trackers give priority to uploaders, not leechers. </p>
<p>It really doesnt matter anyway, your a complete piece of shit for not uploading anything. Someone was kind enough to upload to you, so your going to be a douche nozzle and not give anything back. Your a leecher, you dont deserve to use P2P, please send me your IP so I can ban you from my client. </p>
<p>Fuck You.</p>
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		<title>By: nevermore</title>
		<link>/legal-p2p-music-service-doomed-to-fail/#comment-486130</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t read any comments so I&#039;m sorry if I repeat anything anyone else already said.

I just think these guys have the right idea, if they can convince record labels that uploading is ok, I&#039;d sign up for this. I&#039;m planning to move to the states in a couple of years and I don&#039;t want the frigging RIAA on my ass for downloading a couple of tracks (while I usually end up buying the cd&#039;s but whatever I&#039;m sure most people don&#039;t anymore)

If uploading was ok, the general principle could be that the ones who don&#039;t choose to pay run the risk of getting caught, as is the case with any crime (although prices record labels put on cds is a bigger crime in my humble opinion) while the ones who up- AND download weren&#039;t doing anything wrong ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read any comments so I&#8217;m sorry if I repeat anything anyone else already said.</p>
<p>I just think these guys have the right idea, if they can convince record labels that uploading is ok, I&#8217;d sign up for this. I&#8217;m planning to move to the states in a couple of years and I don&#8217;t want the frigging RIAA on my ass for downloading a couple of tracks (while I usually end up buying the cd&#8217;s but whatever I&#8217;m sure most people don&#8217;t anymore)</p>
<p>If uploading was ok, the general principle could be that the ones who don&#8217;t choose to pay run the risk of getting caught, as is the case with any crime (although prices record labels put on cds is a bigger crime in my humble opinion) while the ones who up- AND download weren&#8217;t doing anything wrong &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>/legal-p2p-music-service-doomed-to-fail/#comment-486127</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t try this on What.cd]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t try this on What.cd</p>
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		<title>By: Quasimodo</title>
		<link>/legal-p2p-music-service-doomed-to-fail/#comment-486122</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This could be so easy, if those label execs werent so pig headed.

Just openly join all the trackers, forums and websites you are already in with your undercover &quot;agents&quot;, publish your own high quality releases, have open minded conversations with the users on those sites, put donation buttons on every release page and watch the money pouring in.

But as i said, those people are simply narrow minded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could be so easy, if those label execs werent so pig headed.</p>
<p>Just openly join all the trackers, forums and websites you are already in with your undercover &#8220;agents&#8221;, publish your own high quality releases, have open minded conversations with the users on those sites, put donation buttons on every release page and watch the money pouring in.</p>
<p>But as i said, those people are simply narrow minded.</p>
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		<title>By: ApacheChief</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ApacheChief]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why didn&#039;t they just setup a private tracker and charge based on what torrent you download?

That&#039;s so much easier, niggers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t they just setup a private tracker and charge based on what torrent you download?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s so much easier, niggers.</p>
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