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		<title>By: jesterbot</title>
		<link>/misleading-statistics-from-the-record-industry-080126/#comment-450570</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on... at $2.50 a month, the price is so negligible that most people would gladly pay the fee (less than half the cost of a deli sandwhich) just for the convenience of having access to all music.  I&#039;m not going to go pay $15 for an album for one good song and 16 tracks of fluff, but $2.50 for anything I want, whenever I want it?  Sure!  And I&#039;d rather pay that and know i&#039;m getting a bit-perfect copy of the original than use a tracker and get my songs secondhand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on&#8230; at $2.50 a month, the price is so negligible that most people would gladly pay the fee (less than half the cost of a deli sandwhich) just for the convenience of having access to all music.  I&#8217;m not going to go pay $15 for an album for one good song and 16 tracks of fluff, but $2.50 for anything I want, whenever I want it?  Sure!  And I&#8217;d rather pay that and know i&#8217;m getting a bit-perfect copy of the original than use a tracker and get my songs secondhand.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Year, Another Pile of Misleading Statistics From the &#124; Pete Marshall's Visual Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Year, Another Pile of Misleading Statistics From the &#124; Pete Marshall's Visual Journal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>/misleading-statistics-from-the-record-industry-080126/#comment-323014</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that in the past, when collating figures for genuinely falling CD sales, the music industry had failed to mention that fewer CDs were being physically produced (I don&#039;t know if this is still the case, however). It&#039;s impossible for them to sell CDs or indeed, anything) that they have not produced.
Also, of course, file-sharing entails no theft since the downloader makes a copy, and the original file is left where it began. Nothing taken - nothing stolen.
What is most alarming, however, is that LAWS have been re-interpreted, changed and created; Big Business told people (sans any basis in fact) that file-sharing was illegal (which it wasn&#039;t)... and then governments MADE IT ILLEGAL.
See how chilling that is?
BIG BUSINESS INFLUENCED GOVERNMENTS, WHICH IN TURN MADE NEW LAWS.
What kinds of society are we living in? Oh, yeah. A world where Metallics (who became popular intitially through the underground trading of bootleg tapes) have the gall to say that file-sharing is immoral, and where music/film piracy &quot;funds terrorism&quot;. I&#039;d like to see the proof for that one. I&#039;d also like to see figures for the monies the companies rake in for advertising soundbites, television and film soundtracks, and the like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that in the past, when collating figures for genuinely falling CD sales, the music industry had failed to mention that fewer CDs were being physically produced (I don&#8217;t know if this is still the case, however). It&#8217;s impossible for them to sell CDs or indeed, anything) that they have not produced.<br />
Also, of course, file-sharing entails no theft since the downloader makes a copy, and the original file is left where it began. Nothing taken &#8211; nothing stolen.<br />
What is most alarming, however, is that LAWS have been re-interpreted, changed and created; Big Business told people (sans any basis in fact) that file-sharing was illegal (which it wasn&#8217;t)&#8230; and then governments MADE IT ILLEGAL.<br />
See how chilling that is?<br />
BIG BUSINESS INFLUENCED GOVERNMENTS, WHICH IN TURN MADE NEW LAWS.<br />
What kinds of society are we living in? Oh, yeah. A world where Metallics (who became popular intitially through the underground trading of bootleg tapes) have the gall to say that file-sharing is immoral, and where music/film piracy &#8220;funds terrorism&#8221;. I&#8217;d like to see the proof for that one. I&#8217;d also like to see figures for the monies the companies rake in for advertising soundbites, television and film soundtracks, and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby</title>
		<link>/misleading-statistics-from-the-record-industry-080126/#comment-313829</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry, but i never listen to any artists the record company signs...except for small small record comanies that died in the 70&#039;s, so i would never sign up to a service like that...it would never work anyway, free is better than 2.50
this just proves that there is no need for record companies at all...they need to die]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, but i never listen to any artists the record company signs&#8230;except for small small record comanies that died in the 70&#8242;s, so i would never sign up to a service like that&#8230;it would never work anyway, free is better than 2.50<br />
this just proves that there is no need for record companies at all&#8230;they need to die</p>
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		<title>By: Why the Music Industry is Lying to You &#124; Web Kita -Belajar web</title>
		<link>/misleading-statistics-from-the-record-industry-080126/#comment-276131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why the Music Industry is Lying to You &#124; Web Kita -Belajar web]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] According to TorrentFreak, the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) last week released their latest report, summing up the digital music landscape at the start of 2008. The IFPI claims in the report that for every legal music download, there are 20 illegal downloads taking place. Or in other words, illegal downloading is happening at a rate that is 20 times that of legal downloading. This, says the IFPI, lead to US$3.7 billion in industry losses. But there are some big holes in that claim. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to TorrentFreak, the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) last week released their latest report, summing up the digital music landscape at the start of 2008. The IFPI claims in the report that for every legal music download, there are 20 illegal downloads taking place. Or in other words, illegal downloading is happening at a rate that is 20 times that of legal downloading. This, says the IFPI, lead to US$3.7 billion in industry losses. But there are some big holes in that claim. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More Lies, more fall out, entertainment industries fault &#124; TechWag</title>
		<link>/misleading-statistics-from-the-record-industry-080126/#comment-275141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More Lies, more fall out, entertainment industries fault &#124; TechWag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is the worrying part, it is seen as not remarkable. Inside Higher Ed, ReadWriteWeb, techdirt, and torrentfreak all report on the subject, but there is no sense of indignation. There is a sense of wrong doing on [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is the worrying part, it is seen as not remarkable. Inside Higher Ed, ReadWriteWeb, techdirt, and torrentfreak all report on the subject, but there is no sense of indignation. There is a sense of wrong doing on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sablicious</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over-priced, re-hashed, generic, manufactured, ho-hum, hackneyed music* is more often than not NOT worth money!... let alone the prices they try to charge us.
P2P is the white knight of the media distribution world.  Record/film companies are the dirge.

*term used VERY loosely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over-priced, re-hashed, generic, manufactured, ho-hum, hackneyed music* is more often than not NOT worth money!&#8230; let alone the prices they try to charge us.<br />
P2P is the white knight of the media distribution world.  Record/film companies are the dirge.</p>
<p>*term used VERY loosely.</p>
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		<title>By: Puzzlerf</title>
		<link>/misleading-statistics-from-the-record-industry-080126/#comment-273946</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have 2 things to say.

The DVD compared to CD comment made a good point... 

You can buy a DVD for $20 and a CD for $20... but a DVD holds 4.7gigs of video, music, pictures, and etc totaling usually around 2 hours... were as a CD holds 700mb of ok music totaling around 1 hour.

Movies tend to cost more to be made because more resources go into them. writers, actors, directors, musicians, editors, etc... Hundreds of people... Some movies are in the thousands.

A CD is usually The Band of say 5 people and maybe 20 other people....

Yet CDs think they deserve just as much as DVDs?


Not to mention that CD&#039;s have pretty much stayed the same in price even though the cost of making one has dropped.

As I once tried to explain to my father... When you used to buy a CD you&#039;d pay 10$ for the Plastic disc and 5$ for the music because it cost 10$ to make the disc. Now the discs cost pennies yet we still have to pay 10$ for the damn disc...

Prices used to be based on material costs, now its based on greed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 2 things to say.</p>
<p>The DVD compared to CD comment made a good point&#8230; </p>
<p>You can buy a DVD for $20 and a CD for $20&#8230; but a DVD holds 4.7gigs of video, music, pictures, and etc totaling usually around 2 hours&#8230; were as a CD holds 700mb of ok music totaling around 1 hour.</p>
<p>Movies tend to cost more to be made because more resources go into them. writers, actors, directors, musicians, editors, etc&#8230; Hundreds of people&#8230; Some movies are in the thousands.</p>
<p>A CD is usually The Band of say 5 people and maybe 20 other people&#8230;.</p>
<p>Yet CDs think they deserve just as much as DVDs?</p>
<p>Not to mention that CD&#8217;s have pretty much stayed the same in price even though the cost of making one has dropped.</p>
<p>As I once tried to explain to my father&#8230; When you used to buy a CD you&#8217;d pay 10$ for the Plastic disc and 5$ for the music because it cost 10$ to make the disc. Now the discs cost pennies yet we still have to pay 10$ for the damn disc&#8230;</p>
<p>Prices used to be based on material costs, now its based on greed.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blah blah blah ... more propaganda from the torrent community -- ironic as they are so critical of propaganda put out by the record industry.

Enough!  Enough trying to justify the huge illegal-to-legal lopsidedness of downloading with obfuscated examples about torrent tracker ratios and the ridiculously lame example that it&#039;s easier to download an album you already have than to rip an album you already have.  

This article actually doesn&#039;t address the 20:1 ratio and again puts all the blame of falling music sales squarely on the record industry for providing a product no one wants.  Actually, EVERYONE wants it and that&#039;s why p2p is so popular!    It&#039;s just that they&#039;re just not willing to pay...which makes no sense, because thirty years ago, music was just as shitty as it is today and people paid for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah blah blah &#8230; more propaganda from the torrent community &#8212; ironic as they are so critical of propaganda put out by the record industry.</p>
<p>Enough!  Enough trying to justify the huge illegal-to-legal lopsidedness of downloading with obfuscated examples about torrent tracker ratios and the ridiculously lame example that it&#8217;s easier to download an album you already have than to rip an album you already have.  </p>
<p>This article actually doesn&#8217;t address the 20:1 ratio and again puts all the blame of falling music sales squarely on the record industry for providing a product no one wants.  Actually, EVERYONE wants it and that&#8217;s why p2p is so popular!    It&#8217;s just that they&#8217;re just not willing to pay&#8230;which makes no sense, because thirty years ago, music was just as shitty as it is today and people paid for it.</p>
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		<title>By: hiyurrrr</title>
		<link>/misleading-statistics-from-the-record-industry-080126/#comment-273543</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no point comparing cd&#039;s to DVD&#039;s.


you dont pay 5 or 6 bucks to listen to a cd once through with a bunch of heavy breathing morons do you? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no point comparing cd&#8217;s to DVD&#8217;s.</p>
<p>you dont pay 5 or 6 bucks to listen to a cd once through with a bunch of heavy breathing morons do you? :)</p>
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