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		<title>By: PatrickBay.ca -</title>
		<link>/mpaa-joins-riaa-in-monstrous-jammie-thomas-appeal-120106/#comment-878428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PatrickBay.ca -]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] damages awarded are so tiny (in comparison to someone as disgustingly monstrous and shocking as single mom Jamie Thomas, for example), that it&#8217;s quite obvious the MPAA didn&#8217;t have much chance of proving [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] damages awarded are so tiny (in comparison to someone as disgustingly monstrous and shocking as single mom Jamie Thomas, for example), that it&#8217;s quite obvious the MPAA didn&#8217;t have much chance of proving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MPAA Joins RIAA in “Monstrous” Jammie Thomas Appeal &#171; Simni</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MPAA Joins RIAA in “Monstrous” Jammie Thomas Appeal &#171; Simni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matthew Patasnik</title>
		<link>/mpaa-joins-riaa-in-monstrous-jammie-thomas-appeal-120106/#comment-868819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Patasnik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is clearly wrong. What are these people (RIAA and MPAA) thinking trying to sue for that amount. How guys the woman beat you already, you&#039;re only making yourselves worst. Didn&#039;t someone say that greedy people will get their just desserts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is clearly wrong. What are these people (RIAA and MPAA) thinking trying to sue for that amount. How guys the woman beat you already, you&#8217;re only making yourselves worst. Didn&#8217;t someone say that greedy people will get their just desserts?</p>
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		<title>By: ?Richard? ?Someone?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This makes me sick claiming $1,5 MILLION damaged like seriously now be realistic. 1st) Does she have that amount of money if she did then yes fine her to teach her a lesson 2nd) She has 4kids - I side with the Judge on the verdict. Where will people get that amount of money to pay for the fine - they will have to sell all their assets and clothing and live on the streets. Seriously I think RMCA/MPAA(should seriously look at catching the big fish) Those that actually do Boot legging of dvd&#039;s and other material. Here in South Africa, nearly every corner you stop at a traffic light and already they want to sell you boot legged dvds. Seriously this isn&#039;t a harsh crime rather go for the syndicates instead of wasting time in courts you will have better luck getting money from the big fish but I guess they don&#039;t want to go for the big fish cause majority of their cash is hidden for a raining day. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me sick claiming $1,5 MILLION damaged like seriously now be realistic. 1st) Does she have that amount of money if she did then yes fine her to teach her a lesson 2nd) She has 4kids &#8211; I side with the Judge on the verdict. Where will people get that amount of money to pay for the fine &#8211; they will have to sell all their assets and clothing and live on the streets. Seriously I think RMCA/MPAA(should seriously look at catching the big fish) Those that actually do Boot legging of dvd&#8217;s and other material. Here in South Africa, nearly every corner you stop at a traffic light and already they want to sell you boot legged dvds. Seriously this isn&#8217;t a harsh crime rather go for the syndicates instead of wasting time in courts you will have better luck getting money from the big fish but I guess they don&#8217;t want to go for the big fish cause majority of their cash is hidden for a raining day. </p>
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		<title>By: Stop complaining</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stop complaining]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re a tool. I&#039;m sure that wrapping up a war you didn&#039;t start should make you REALLY MAD at the president who started the war against the advise of dozens of countries, but your&#039;e only here to rant about your political preferences. You most likely voted for Bush in the prior election and, along with thousands of others, have yet to hold yourself accountable for the war that you supposedly despise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a tool. I&#8217;m sure that wrapping up a war you didn&#8217;t start should make you REALLY MAD at the president who started the war against the advise of dozens of countries, but your&#8217;e only here to rant about your political preferences. You most likely voted for Bush in the prior election and, along with thousands of others, have yet to hold yourself accountable for the war that you supposedly despise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ninja</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ninja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 11:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an idea: prove your claims. We&#039;ll think about stopping file sharing once you prove your claims without biased and flawed studies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea: prove your claims. We&#8217;ll think about stopping file sharing once you prove your claims without biased and flawed studies.</p>
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		<title>By: StrykerX</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@PelouzeTF

Lawsuits are not supposed to be fines or deterrents.  They are supposed to be a way to be compensated for money, property, or time that you lost due to someone else&#039;s actions.  Compensatory damages are supposed to be limited to what you can actually prove the person you are suing cost you... in this case, 99 cents per song downloaded plus 99 cents for each copy they can prove she distributed.  There are also punitive damages possible, which are generally limited to some multiple of the compensatory damages (or at least should be).  However, even at punitive damages of 10 times the compensatory damages (which would be HIGH in a non-IP related case) and assuming she seeded to a ration of 10 (yeah, right...) that&#039;s only around $2400.

An actual fine could be much higher, and could indeed be designed primarily as a deterrent.  However, that&#039;s CRIMINAL law, not civil... such fines would have to be implemented by Congress and imposed by a criminal court, not a lawsuit.  Civil law isn&#039;t there to make examples of people, it&#039;s there to recover real damages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PelouzeTF</p>
<p>Lawsuits are not supposed to be fines or deterrents.  They are supposed to be a way to be compensated for money, property, or time that you lost due to someone else&#8217;s actions.  Compensatory damages are supposed to be limited to what you can actually prove the person you are suing cost you&#8230; in this case, 99 cents per song downloaded plus 99 cents for each copy they can prove she distributed.  There are also punitive damages possible, which are generally limited to some multiple of the compensatory damages (or at least should be).  However, even at punitive damages of 10 times the compensatory damages (which would be HIGH in a non-IP related case) and assuming she seeded to a ration of 10 (yeah, right&#8230;) that&#8217;s only around $2400.</p>
<p>An actual fine could be much higher, and could indeed be designed primarily as a deterrent.  However, that&#8217;s CRIMINAL law, not civil&#8230; such fines would have to be implemented by Congress and imposed by a criminal court, not a lawsuit.  Civil law isn&#8217;t there to make examples of people, it&#8217;s there to recover real damages.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright, math time.

Let&#039;s assume every upload is a lost sale, for sake of easy math (the economist in me weeps at this assumption, but whatever).

Assume a 5 Megabyte MP3
Assume a standard, residential 768kbps upload (may have been lower back then.  I know the cable I had then was only 512kbps upload)
Assume 100% utilization (bullshit) and zero overhead (more bullshit).
Assume every upload was one of the affected songs.

That&#039;s about 52 seconds to upload 1 song.
About 70 songs an hour.

So, at maximum utilization, that&#039;s up to 600k downloads in a year&#039;s time.  Between everything she was seeding.

Maximum utilization does not happen in a home setting.  No one runs that 24/7 (it would make actually surfing the internet borderline impossible), and of course, that assumes a constant supply of downloaders, which doesn&#039;t happen long term.

Zero overhead, not gonna happen.  Bittorrent is pretty efficient though, so the most easily disprovable assumption is probably the closest to reality.

Each upload being one of the songs is damn unlikely.

As for every upload being a lost sale, you can debunk that with the tools provided by Economics 101 before the end of the first week (2nd week if it&#039;s a slow class).



So, lets assume 10% utilization, even downloads among all 1702 songs, 10% overhead, and she&#039;s shared each song with. . . about 30 people.

They&#039;d fine you less for just outright walking into a record store, stealing 30 albums and then handing them out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, math time.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume every upload is a lost sale, for sake of easy math (the economist in me weeps at this assumption, but whatever).</p>
<p>Assume a 5 Megabyte MP3<br />
Assume a standard, residential 768kbps upload (may have been lower back then.  I know the cable I had then was only 512kbps upload)<br />
Assume 100% utilization (bullshit) and zero overhead (more bullshit).<br />
Assume every upload was one of the affected songs.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about 52 seconds to upload 1 song.<br />
About 70 songs an hour.</p>
<p>So, at maximum utilization, that&#8217;s up to 600k downloads in a year&#8217;s time.  Between everything she was seeding.</p>
<p>Maximum utilization does not happen in a home setting.  No one runs that 24/7 (it would make actually surfing the internet borderline impossible), and of course, that assumes a constant supply of downloaders, which doesn&#8217;t happen long term.</p>
<p>Zero overhead, not gonna happen.  Bittorrent is pretty efficient though, so the most easily disprovable assumption is probably the closest to reality.</p>
<p>Each upload being one of the songs is damn unlikely.</p>
<p>As for every upload being a lost sale, you can debunk that with the tools provided by Economics 101 before the end of the first week (2nd week if it&#8217;s a slow class).</p>
<p>So, lets assume 10% utilization, even downloads among all 1702 songs, 10% overhead, and she&#8217;s shared each song with. . . about 30 people.</p>
<p>They&#8217;d fine you less for just outright walking into a record store, stealing 30 albums and then handing them out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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