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		<title>By: braggs com</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lenoxus</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 20:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I&#039;ve been wating to see is someone who, like me, agrees that music piracy is something of a genie out of the bottle, but who doesn&#039;t deliver that news with a smirk or grin, saying, &quot;Ha ha, slimy music industry, who&#039;s ripping who off now?&quot; Cain here comes closest.

I mean, it&#039;s not like contemporary musicians, or even their soulless executives, are the people who invented the means to share the information in bulk -- that was the geeks. This isn&#039;t poetic justice. (It might be poetic justice if we were talking about software piracy, but that seems not to be as big an industry because the geeks are also really good at protecting the stuff.)

In any case, the &quot;It&#039;s only music&quot; argument, from my perspective, is exactly why people shouldn&#039;t make grandiose liberty-or-death for their right to free music. How exactly did my generation get this spoiled?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I&#8217;ve been wating to see is someone who, like me, agrees that music piracy is something of a genie out of the bottle, but who doesn&#8217;t deliver that news with a smirk or grin, saying, &#8220;Ha ha, slimy music industry, who&#8217;s ripping who off now?&#8221; Cain here comes closest.</p>
<p>I mean, it&#8217;s not like contemporary musicians, or even their soulless executives, are the people who invented the means to share the information in bulk &#8212; that was the geeks. This isn&#8217;t poetic justice. (It might be poetic justice if we were talking about software piracy, but that seems not to be as big an industry because the geeks are also really good at protecting the stuff.)</p>
<p>In any case, the &#8220;It&#8217;s only music&#8221; argument, from my perspective, is exactly why people shouldn&#8217;t make grandiose liberty-or-death for their right to free music. How exactly did my generation get this spoiled?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 07:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If businesses lowered the price on CD&#039;s, DVD&#039;s, Games ect people would buy them, I mean Â£30 for a film ? 15 quid for a CD?!?!

What a rip off, I spend less on my internet connection and i can download as much as i want.

-Anon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If businesses lowered the price on CD&#8217;s, DVD&#8217;s, Games ect people would buy them, I mean Â£30 for a film ? 15 quid for a CD?!?!</p>
<p>What a rip off, I spend less on my internet connection and i can download as much as i want.</p>
<p>-Anon</p>
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		<title>By: Piracy is a Negotiation, not a Fight &#124; Daily P2P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Piracy is a Negotiation, not a Fight &#124; Daily P2P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Pirates create periods of chaos, then society works out how to make this chaos work for everyone, at which point it is enshrined in law and becomes the new order.&quot;


Correct. And in classical piracy, on the high seas, what is enshrined in law is the ability to take a shotgun to said pirates wherever and whenever you like with impunity.

The market worked that out and it&#039;s been a workable solution ever since.

Who the hell do you think buys your BS about &quot;piracy is the new way&quot; and producers must &quot;adapt to the new&quot; ?

What lesson has every major producer of goods learned about this &quot;new market&quot; from chinese pirates producing inferior copies ?
When Ping produces a set of golf clubs using the finest metals on earth and some Chinese asshole knocks out a replica set using aluminium, what lesson should they take away about this &quot;new market&quot; ?

That if they want to compete with criminals ripping them off they should screw over the consumer too ?

What ? Tell us you intellectual fraud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pirates create periods of chaos, then society works out how to make this chaos work for everyone, at which point it is enshrined in law and becomes the new order.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correct. And in classical piracy, on the high seas, what is enshrined in law is the ability to take a shotgun to said pirates wherever and whenever you like with impunity.</p>
<p>The market worked that out and it&#8217;s been a workable solution ever since.</p>
<p>Who the hell do you think buys your BS about &#8220;piracy is the new way&#8221; and producers must &#8220;adapt to the new&#8221; ?</p>
<p>What lesson has every major producer of goods learned about this &#8220;new market&#8221; from chinese pirates producing inferior copies ?<br />
When Ping produces a set of golf clubs using the finest metals on earth and some Chinese asshole knocks out a replica set using aluminium, what lesson should they take away about this &#8220;new market&#8221; ?</p>
<p>That if they want to compete with criminals ripping them off they should screw over the consumer too ?</p>
<p>What ? Tell us you intellectual fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: oneplusone</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Hiro81... Your quote: &quot;Not should be free, is free. As a freely copyable object the compact disc has no commercial worth - you cannot sell what can be freely reproduced. Well, you can until the bottom finially falls out when the last of the Wal-Mart shoppers buy themselves a $200 computer..&quot;

Once again I agree.  So many people have an overly romanticized concept of reality.

The truth of the matter is, the worm turned a good long while ago.

I&#039;ve always maintained that the danger associated with crushing citizen&#039;s liberties for something so obviously trite as music is shameful. And there are a lot of artists who are really a bunch of greedy hypocrites, looking for an elite, cool, cash-rich lifestyle. Hold on while I grab my wallet...

If I don&#039;t believe in Jesus, why the hell am I going to elevate some &quot;star-wanabe&#039;s&quot; myth status when I can do what he/she does at home, on my own, for free? It&#039;s work, but it&#039;s not labour.  Playing live is labour. And should be rewarded as such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hiro81&#8230; Your quote: &#8220;Not should be free, is free. As a freely copyable object the compact disc has no commercial worth &#8211; you cannot sell what can be freely reproduced. Well, you can until the bottom finially falls out when the last of the Wal-Mart shoppers buy themselves a $200 computer..&#8221;</p>
<p>Once again I agree.  So many people have an overly romanticized concept of reality.</p>
<p>The truth of the matter is, the worm turned a good long while ago.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always maintained that the danger associated with crushing citizen&#8217;s liberties for something so obviously trite as music is shameful. And there are a lot of artists who are really a bunch of greedy hypocrites, looking for an elite, cool, cash-rich lifestyle. Hold on while I grab my wallet&#8230;</p>
<p>If I don&#8217;t believe in Jesus, why the hell am I going to elevate some &#8220;star-wanabe&#8217;s&#8221; myth status when I can do what he/she does at home, on my own, for free? It&#8217;s work, but it&#8217;s not labour.  Playing live is labour. And should be rewarded as such.</p>
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		<title>By: An Average Brain Surgeon</title>
		<link>/piracy-is-a-negotiation-080325/#comment-319052</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@17 &quot;you cannot sell what can be freely reproduced&quot;

It has always been possible to freely reproduce works at no cost to the original author. This is precisely why copyright law was devised (back in the 1600s, believe it or not). The only difference now is that piracy now costs nothing to the pirates either.

I agree with the original author: Recorded music will eventually be an add-on service for your cell phone or ISP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@17 &#8220;you cannot sell what can be freely reproduced&#8221;</p>
<p>It has always been possible to freely reproduce works at no cost to the original author. This is precisely why copyright law was devised (back in the 1600s, believe it or not). The only difference now is that piracy now costs nothing to the pirates either.</p>
<p>I agree with the original author: Recorded music will eventually be an add-on service for your cell phone or ISP.</p>
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		<title>By: An Average Brain Surgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[An Average Brain Surgeon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@4 &quot;What gives them the right to be worth more than a brain surgeon, astronaut or a professor? Even my home town (400k inhabitants, clean and fast-growing) spends less money in a year (1m US$) than some earn monthly!&quot;



The average brain surgeon makes a lot more money than the average musician. In fact, the average brain surgeon probably makes more money than the average rock star. The guy you see standing behind the counter at 7-11 makes more money than the average musician. 

The only truly rich rockstars are the ones are wrote and recorded many albums over many years that were consistently bought by millions of people. One-hit-wonders and contemporary pop stars eventually have to get day jobs, or end up on &quot;Celebrity Mole.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4 &#8220;What gives them the right to be worth more than a brain surgeon, astronaut or a professor? Even my home town (400k inhabitants, clean and fast-growing) spends less money in a year (1m US$) than some earn monthly!&#8221;</p>
<p>The average brain surgeon makes a lot more money than the average musician. In fact, the average brain surgeon probably makes more money than the average rock star. The guy you see standing behind the counter at 7-11 makes more money than the average musician. </p>
<p>The only truly rich rockstars are the ones are wrote and recorded many albums over many years that were consistently bought by millions of people. One-hit-wonders and contemporary pop stars eventually have to get day jobs, or end up on &#8220;Celebrity Mole.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bharani</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is nothing better than this!

http://pluking.blogspot.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing better than this!</p>
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		<title>By: Jock Peters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;318532&quot;][quote]This breakdown of the cost of a typical major-label release by the independent market-research firm Almighty Institute of Music Retail shows where the money goes for a new album with a list price of $15.99.

$0.17 Musicians&#039; unions
$0.80 Packaging/manufacturing
$0.82 Publishing royalties
$0.80 Retail profit
$0.90 Distribution
$1.60 Artists&#039; royalties
$1.70 Label profit
$2.40 Marketing/promotion
$2.91 Label overhead
$3.89 Retail overhead[/quote]
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/6558540/walmart_wants_10_cds[/quote]

Ok so where do they get off charging $35-$40 (25-27 Euros) then? The greedy leeches can shove their crap where it belongs!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="318532"][quote]This breakdown of the cost of a typical major-label release by the independent market-research firm Almighty Institute of Music Retail shows where the money goes for a new album with a list price of $15.99.</p>
<p>$0.17 Musicians&#8217; unions<br />
$0.80 Packaging/manufacturing<br />
$0.82 Publishing royalties<br />
$0.80 Retail profit<br />
$0.90 Distribution<br />
$1.60 Artists&#8217; royalties<br />
$1.70 Label profit<br />
$2.40 Marketing/promotion<br />
$2.91 Label overhead<br />
$3.89 Retail overhead[/quote]<br />
<a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/6558540/walmart_wants_10_cds/quote" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/6558540/walmart_wants_10_cds/quote</a></p>
<p>Ok so where do they get off charging $35-$40 (25-27 Euros) then? The greedy leeches can shove their crap where it belongs!!</p>
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