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		<title>By: &#187; Petit Journal du Web (spécial explication Facebook)MonBouquet &#124; Le Blog des Fleurs et des Idées de Création d&#8217;Entprises</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Il y a un an, le site Internet The Pirate Bay était condamné, le procès d’appel devrait commencer d’ici quelques mois. Depuis ce temps, le site a gagner 4 millions d’utilisateurs (source) ils ont aussi changé le fonctionnement pour être beaucoup plus décentralisés et ne plus être hors la loi. Par contre, contrairement à ce qu’il a été annoncé  sur certains blogs français, le programme SeedFuck ne sert pas à grand-chose, le problème des fausses Ip est réglé depuis longtemps puisqu’il était utilisé par les spammeurs (payés par les mêmes entreprises qui ne veulent/savent pas changé de business model) pour faire remonter leurs fichiers véreux dans les classements. Source. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Il y a un an, le site Internet The Pirate Bay était condamné, le procès d’appel devrait commencer d’ici quelques mois. Depuis ce temps, le site a gagner 4 millions d’utilisateurs (source) ils ont aussi changé le fonctionnement pour être beaucoup plus décentralisés et ne plus être hors la loi. Par contre, contrairement à ce qu’il a été annoncé  sur certains blogs français, le programme SeedFuck ne sert pas à grand-chose, le problème des fausses Ip est réglé depuis longtemps puisqu’il était utilisé par les spammeurs (payés par les mêmes entreprises qui ne veulent/savent pas changé de business model) pour faire remonter leurs fichiers véreux dans les classements. Source. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tt555</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote]ITT idiots.

The solution is VPN.[/quote]
the VPN will not help u, if officals want they can detect your ip adrass]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]ITT idiots.</p>
<p>The solution is VPN.[/quote]<br />
the VPN will not help u, if officals want they can detect your ip adrass</p>
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		<title>By: Clm</title>
		<link>/seedfucker-is-not-going-to-make-bittorrent-anonymous-100414/#comment-654161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes this code has nothing new.
Yes it will not work on a lot of trackers.
Yes it is useless to hide someone&#039;s IP.

But for french poeple (yes, I&#039;m french, sorry for my english and for my president), it still means a lot :

The HADOPI law aim to shut down the internet connection of poeple sharing copyrighted stuff.
To find those poeple, they will use the IP as a single proff.

Talking about SeedFucker or BTpoison.php is only a proof of concept, a way to say to our politics : &quot;your argument is invalid&quot;.

And maybe at last will they accept a better solution than filtering, monitoring, spying and repression.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes this code has nothing new.<br />
Yes it will not work on a lot of trackers.<br />
Yes it is useless to hide someone&#8217;s IP.</p>
<p>But for french poeple (yes, I&#8217;m french, sorry for my english and for my president), it still means a lot :</p>
<p>The HADOPI law aim to shut down the internet connection of poeple sharing copyrighted stuff.<br />
To find those poeple, they will use the IP as a single proff.</p>
<p>Talking about SeedFucker or BTpoison.php is only a proof of concept, a way to say to our politics : &#8220;your argument is invalid&#8221;.</p>
<p>And maybe at last will they accept a better solution than filtering, monitoring, spying and repression.</p>
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		<title>By: Whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whatever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@56 an0nym0us
Not random example: if all files are compressed 256 0&#039;s or 255&#039;s do not exist. However it is probably unlikely there would be many collisions which i agree with.

As for the cache, its like limited freenet, think outside the box.

Bittorrent may not be called bittorrent then. You do not request all the time random pieces from peers but just sometimes a random piece for your cache which can then be used to send it if someone requests a matching hash. One huge swarm, and maybe a hash (for pieces), instead of name, search mechanism based on Kazaa or Soulseek.

It has increase overhead but might be faster than freenet. This will make you, like freenet, not responsible for the (cached) data on your computer because you don&#039;t know what it is (never tried freenet yet, just from reading the infos about it). And for the things you actually did download there is now plausible deniability like with truecrypt.

Its just an idea for evolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@56 an0nym0us<br />
Not random example: if all files are compressed 256 0&#8242;s or 255&#8242;s do not exist. However it is probably unlikely there would be many collisions which i agree with.</p>
<p>As for the cache, its like limited freenet, think outside the box.</p>
<p>Bittorrent may not be called bittorrent then. You do not request all the time random pieces from peers but just sometimes a random piece for your cache which can then be used to send it if someone requests a matching hash. One huge swarm, and maybe a hash (for pieces), instead of name, search mechanism based on Kazaa or Soulseek.</p>
<p>It has increase overhead but might be faster than freenet. This will make you, like freenet, not responsible for the (cached) data on your computer because you don&#8217;t know what it is (never tried freenet yet, just from reading the infos about it). And for the things you actually did download there is now plausible deniability like with truecrypt.</p>
<p>Its just an idea for evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Atrack-based trackers kept zero personal information in permanent storage. For example: http://track.th0r1n.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atrack-based trackers kept zero personal information in permanent storage. For example: <a href="http://track.th0r1n.com" rel="nofollow">http://track.th0r1n.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: sheepy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to see something like a onion routing network for BitTorrent, with a low hop count for efficiency versus security (configurable), and every peer a relay.  No exits necessary; all internal.  Maybe some data caching too.

And not in Java, coz it&#039;s poo. :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see something like a onion routing network for BitTorrent, with a low hop count for efficiency versus security (configurable), and every peer a relay.  No exits necessary; all internal.  Maybe some data caching too.</p>
<p>And not in Java, coz it&#8217;s poo. :P</p>
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		<title>By: an0nym0us</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@55
&quot;Impossible&quot;

I never said that in relation to the piece-sharing.  What I said was &quot;Although this sounds possible, perhaps even plausible, it&#039;s extremely unlikely to happen&quot;

And it is extremely unlikely, so much so that the odds on it happening are so skewed that the chances are it never will.

&quot;data is not really random&quot;

To all intents and purposes it is, and remember that the 256^256 only applies to 256 byte pieces, which are almost never used as they are impractically small.  Want a 700MB file?  That&#039;ll be 2,867,200 pieces please.  Generally pieces are much bigger than 256 bytes for very good reasons.

&quot;An easier solution my be for all clients in a huge single swarm to cache some random pieces of torrents&quot;

Are you seriously suggesting that every client downloads pieces from every torrent currently running on every tracker out there?

And how do you expect these clients to even know about each other?

And do you also mean that those clients never actually make requests for specific pieces which they require for the files they actually want to download?  If so, what are the odds of anything ever actually completing?

&quot;They can be uploaded to a request&quot;

Thereby increasing everyone&#039;s exposure and therefore their risk of being associated with something they didn&#039;t even want in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@55<br />
&#8220;Impossible&#8221;</p>
<p>I never said that in relation to the piece-sharing.  What I said was &#8220;Although this sounds possible, perhaps even plausible, it&#8217;s extremely unlikely to happen&#8221;</p>
<p>And it is extremely unlikely, so much so that the odds on it happening are so skewed that the chances are it never will.</p>
<p>&#8220;data is not really random&#8221;</p>
<p>To all intents and purposes it is, and remember that the 256^256 only applies to 256 byte pieces, which are almost never used as they are impractically small.  Want a 700MB file?  That&#8217;ll be 2,867,200 pieces please.  Generally pieces are much bigger than 256 bytes for very good reasons.</p>
<p>&#8220;An easier solution my be for all clients in a huge single swarm to cache some random pieces of torrents&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you seriously suggesting that every client downloads pieces from every torrent currently running on every tracker out there?</p>
<p>And how do you expect these clients to even know about each other?</p>
<p>And do you also mean that those clients never actually make requests for specific pieces which they require for the files they actually want to download?  If so, what are the odds of anything ever actually completing?</p>
<p>&#8220;They can be uploaded to a request&#8221;</p>
<p>Thereby increasing everyone&#8217;s exposure and therefore their risk of being associated with something they didn&#8217;t even want in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whatever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@27
...Impossible...
Your right but data is not really random so the odds are a little better than 256^256. The biggest problem is that video and most audio are always compressed on the internet (But still not random because compression will exclude a range of possibilities).

To see if it has any chance of working it would need to be calculated what happens if everyone is in one huge swarm and all those shared files are online (not knowing which torrent isn&#039;t an issue, the only thing needed is to compare the hash to all hashes of pieces you own).

An easier solution my be for all clients in a huge single swarm to cache some random pieces of torrents (request = just send me one) to spoil investigations. They can be uploaded to a request but never have the rest of the file.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@27<br />
&#8230;Impossible&#8230;<br />
Your right but data is not really random so the odds are a little better than 256^256. The biggest problem is that video and most audio are always compressed on the internet (But still not random because compression will exclude a range of possibilities).</p>
<p>To see if it has any chance of working it would need to be calculated what happens if everyone is in one huge swarm and all those shared files are online (not knowing which torrent isn&#8217;t an issue, the only thing needed is to compare the hash to all hashes of pieces you own).</p>
<p>An easier solution my be for all clients in a huge single swarm to cache some random pieces of torrents (request = just send me one) to spoil investigations. They can be uploaded to a request but never have the rest of the file.</p>
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		<title>By: an0nym0us</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[an0nym0us]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And another, which gives more details, and in fact provides enough information to implement a client or a tracker ;)

http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another, which gives more details, and in fact provides enough information to implement a client or a tracker ;)</p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification</a></p>
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		<title>By: DeltaPan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeltaPan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[52 Apr 16, 2010 at 12:39 by an0nym0us 
Read the BT protocol to understand how torrents work and why clients provide this information to trackers and other peers.
- - - 

Indeed matey.

Here&#039;s a good starting point for them...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)

Peace. : )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>52 Apr 16, 2010 at 12:39 by an0nym0us<br />
Read the BT protocol to understand how torrents work and why clients provide this information to trackers and other peers.<br />
- &#8211; - </p>
<p>Indeed matey.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good starting point for them&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)</a></p>
<p>Peace. : )</p>
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