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		<title>Piracy is a Negotiation, not a Fight</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Mason]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sale of Bebo.com to AOL for $850 million last week sparked a fresh wave of opining about music piracy, with Billy Bragg and Michael Arrington both stepping into the ring. The problem is, they are both wrong.<p>Source: <a href="https://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the blue corner we have musician Billy Bragg, who sees people like <a href="http://bebo.com">Bebo</a> founder Michael Birch as another type of pirate, or profiteer, earning millions by leveraging other people&#8217;s intellectual property, and sharing none of it. He writes in <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/opinion/22bragg.html">The New York Times</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The musicians who posted their work on Bebo.com are no different from investors in a start-up enterprise. Their investment is the content provided for free while the site has no liquid assets. Now that the business has reaped huge benefits, surely they deserve a dividend.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s at stake here is more than just the morality of the market. The huge social networking sites that seek to use music as free content are as much to blame for the malaise currently affecting the industry as the music lover who downloads songs for free. Both the corporations and the kids, it seems, want the use of our music without having to pay for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Artists add value to Bebo, but Bragg is over-reaching claiming they deserve a share in Bebo&#8217;s sale price. Bebo also adds value to artists who voluntarily post their songs on the site. Does Bragg also think artists who post on Bebo.com should share their concert ticket profits and royalties with the social network?</p>
<p>In the red corner we have Michael Arrington from <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/22/these-crazy-musicians-still-think-they-should-get-paid-for-recorded-music/">TechCrunch</a>, making the opposite but no less extreme case that &#8220;recorded music is nothing but marketing material to drive awareness of an artist.&#8221; He also says &#8220;if an artist can&#8217;t make a living playing concerts live, then he/she may want to think of it more as a hobby than a way to make a living.&#8221;</p>
<p>Arrington reasons that because music can be reproduced at a zero marginal cost, it should be free. But marginal cost does not equal total cost. It still costs something to produce music. It still takes money, time and effort to produce good music, not to mention software, movies and other goods with zero marginal cost. People producing such things need to make money in the end. Zero marginal cost does not mean it should be free. It just means we need a new distribution system.</p>
<p>Bragg&#8217;s line of reasoning is skewed, but he makes one good point; creative works like songs and films are worth something, and we have to figure out a way to reward creative people fairly in the age of the Internet.</p>
<p>Arrington&#8217;s argument is also flawed, but he&#8217;s right to say that Bragg is off the mark, and he&#8217;s right to say we should neither &#8220;line up file traders and shoot them&#8221;, or &#8220;give a government subsidy to anyone who calls themselves a musician so that they can pursue their art.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fortunately for the rest of us, these are not the only two options. Bragg and Arrington represent the two polar opposites in this ongoing debate, and they&#8217;re both wrong.</p>
<p>All the people at the extreme ends of both sides of this debate are wrong. But the truce is coming. Soon enough, there will very likely be a $5-$10 a month voluntary license fee for downloading all the music you want, and most people will be happy to pay it. As long as the money makes its way back to artists, it will help the music business grow.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to see an Internet where incredible music resources like <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/search/oink/">OiNK</a> can exist and artists can prosper at the same time, and that day is coming, hopefully sooner rather than later. But when that happens, another community will suddenly find itself as redundant as the music industry&#8217;s lawyers; the pirates.</p>
<p>When peace breaks out in the music business, a lot of people are going to have to find something else to talk about (which is why I cunningly future-proofed <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Dilemma-Culture-Reinvented-Capitalism/dp/1416532188/ref=sr_1_4/103-0096475-2470270?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1183388953&#038;sr=1-4">The Pirate&#8217;s Dilemma</a> by talking about piracy in all businessesâ€¦). Music pirates will no longer be the face of the revolution, they will be part of the old regime. Over 500 years ago, Niccolo Machiavelli wrote: &#8220;Innovation makes enemies of all those who prospered under the old regime, and only lukewarm support is forthcoming from those, who would prosper under the new.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pirates create periods of chaos, then society works out how to make this chaos work for everyone, at which point it is enshrined in law and becomes the new order. Piracy itself is not a long-term solution. The arguments for music piracy as a force for change will become old news when file-sharing is finally legitimized, but the good news is there is still plenty for pirates to rebel against.</p>
<p>The pirate&#8217;s job is to push the envelope, while the corporation must play catch up as fast as it can. Both of these communities need each other. But when the corporations do catch up, the pirates need to move on. File-sharing is not so much a movement that needs to survive for its own sake as it is a means to an end. This isn&#8217;t a war without end. It&#8217;s a negotiation.</p>
<p>Source: <a href="https://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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		<title>Inside the Mind of a 9 Year Old File-Sharer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[enigmax]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone knows that a significant number of file-sharers are teenagers and young adults and they get their share of press. But what about the true kids - the under 10's ? TorrentFreak makes itself feel old trying to keep up with the agile mind of a 9 year old file-sharer.<p>Source: <a href="https://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://torrentfreak.com//images/ojo.jpg" align="right" alt="Ojo"><br>
Like most publications, here at TorrentFreak we regularly interview adults. However, when a recent conversation with a child turned to file-sharing, we took the opportunity to give the P2P kids a voice. We had a little chat with a 9 year old girl who wants to be called &#8220;Hannah&#8221; (after <a href="http://tv.disney.go.com/disneychannel/hannahmontana/characters/index.html">Hannah Montana</a>) and she talks to us about LimeWire, BEBO, YouTube and her perception of the rights and wrongs of copying &#8211; even her frustrations with DRM.</p>
<p>&#8220;Never work with children or animals&#8221; said WC Fields. TorrentFreak takes a chance:</p>
<p><strong>TF. Hi Hannah! How old are you? </strong></p>
<p><em>- I&#8217;m 10 in 12 days</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. What sort of music are you listening to right now? </strong></p>
<p><em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Kingston">Sean Kingstone</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shayne_Ward">Shayne Ward</a> and <a href="http://tv.disney.go.com/disneychannel/originalmovies/highschoolmusical2/">High School Musical 2</a></em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Where did you first get into music?</strong></p>
<p><em>- On the music channels, on MTV.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. When did you get a PC?</strong></p>
<p><em>- People had computers but I couldn&#8217;t go on them but my Dad bought me one last year. I have internet.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. What do you do on the internet?</strong></p>
<p><em>- MSN, talking to friends and cousins, games and dressing-up games [dolls]</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. When did you first start using the internet to get music?</strong></p>
<p><em>- My cousin showed me YouTube and then LimeWire and I was like &#8220;whoa cool!&#8221; </em></p>
<p><strong>TF. What was cool about it?</strong></p>
<p><em>- Because you can put anything in and it will come up and you don&#8217;t actually pay for it. Well you have to pay for the internet and LimeWire comes with the internet but you have to pay for that so LimeWire isn&#8217;t really free.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Ok&#8230;I see&#8230;.Do you get music from anywhere else?</strong></p>
<p><em>- My cousin gets it from BEBO. She copies it from other people&#8217;s pages and puts it on her own.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Do you think it&#8217;s ok to copy the music?</strong></p>
<p><em>- Yes it&#8217;s ok because she only does it to make her page better.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. So you&#8217;re sure that it&#8217;s ok to copy it? What do you think about copying?</strong></p>
<p><em>- I suppose it&#8217;s not ok to copy but people copied it off her site so she just copies theirs.  It&#8217;s like, you&#8217;re copying my t-shirt so i&#8217;m copying you on shoes.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Ok, so a bit like copying school work?&#8230;.Hmm&#8230;.ok, let&#8217;s talk about copying on the computer again. When you started using LimeWire, did anyone ever mention that if you did certain things you might be breaking some laws?</strong></p>
<p><em>- Why would they put it [music] on the internet and invent mp3 players if it was against the law?</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Confusing isn&#8217;t it?&#8230;.You mentioned you like Sean Kingstone &#8211; what if I told you that Sean Kingstone&#8217;s boss might send you a letter asking for money because you shared his album on LimeWire? What would you say to him?</strong></p>
<p><em>- W.E! [whatever!]</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Come on, play along with me. What would you say if he did?</strong></p>
<p><em>- I&#8217;d say &#8220;tooooo strict!&#8221; and anyway he can&#8217;t make me do anything. He&#8217;s not the boss of me, he&#8217;s the boss of Sean Kingstone.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. What do you think might happen if you didn&#8217;t pay him?</strong></p>
<p><em>- Nothing. I&#8217;m too young to be charged by the government so he can&#8217;t charge me.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Would you carry on using LimeWire after he sent the letter?</strong></p>
<p><em>- Yeah!</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Why?</strong></p>
<p><em>- Because you can get good albums off there. Duh!! My CD&#8217;s don&#8217;t work in my mp3 player so LimeWire is the only way to do it. I bought High School Musical 2 on CD but it won&#8217;t go on my mp3 [player]</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. How would you make LimeWire better?</strong></p>
<p><em>- To speak to the person sending the music to make sure they send the right one, sometimes they send stuff that doesn&#8217;t even play.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Do you know what a pirate is?</strong></p>
<p><em>- They have parrots [effects 'arrrrr']</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Do you think its legal or illegal to copy a CD or DVD?</strong></p>
<p><em>- Some men right, they sell you a DVD at the market but when you get home it doesn&#8217;t play, that&#8217;s illegal.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Why is it illegal?</strong></p>
<p><em>- Duh!! Because they tell you it works and when you get it home it&#8217;s rubbish and jumps in the middle and its a waste of money!</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Do you think you should be paying for stuff off LimeWire? You have to buy CD&#8217;s from the shop&#8230;</strong></p>
<p><em>- You have to pay for CD&#8217;s because they&#8217;re actually on a disc not on the computer. My cousin, right, she uses LimeWire when she doesn&#8217;t have any money for CDs.</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Did you ever download anything by anybody and then go to see them?</strong></p>
<p><em>- I got stuff by Lee Ryan and Simon Webbe and then I went to see <a href="http://www.officialblue.com/">Blue</a>. Why don&#8217;t you ask me what my favorite hobby is?</em></p>
<p><strong>TF. Ok, what&#8217;s your favorite hobby?</strong></p>
<p><em>-  Dancing to music, it&#8217;s fun!!</em></p>
<p><strong>Thankyou, Hannah. That&#8217;s it! Have a nice birthday!</strong></p>
<p>Source: <a href="https://torrentfreak.com">TorrentFreak</a>, for the latest info on <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/copyright-issues/">copyright</a>, <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/category/pirate-talk/">file-sharing</a> and <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/">anonymous VPN services</a>.</p>
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