That’s not my point. Piracy is nothing but an indicator of a demand. One Hollywood won’t supply. If they called it a day and stuck to their methods (which are still working btw) chances are things could go on. Unfortunately they seem hell bent on this warpath of stupidity while continually failing to provide or meet online demands and simultaneously attacking those online options.

“Content is cheaper now to get than ever before in history. It’s more widely available and can be streamed on a multitude of devices. Pirating is also easier now than ever before and when that segment of the population are used to getting whatever they want under the sun for free, unless the new service reduces their prices to a few cents, they wont change their habits. And that isn’t going to happen.”

Tell that to Aus who is paying upwards of $40 for a DVD movie looking upwards of $70 for box sets and nearly $250 for an entire 4 season TV show. Their dollar is stronger btw. Yeah, cheaper. You’re not exactly convincing me.

As for streaming options, keep dreaming. Australia and many other countries are excluded completely from purchasing access, let alone having a decent enough internet to stream in decent quality.

As for your insistence to the contrary, there is plenty of evidences and few studies on the fact that as legal alternatives are provided, illegal ones are used less and less. Again however, if you insist on the zero sum game you simply won’t win and the pirates will still walk away with the product for nothing.

“I can get 10 new release movies in the states for $10 too using redbox. Or 10,000 plus titles for $8 using netflix, hulu or amazon. Content has never been cheaper.”

Mean while the rest of the world has to put up with price gouging, DVD zones and the occasional extradition. I know it’s easy to forget but the USA is not the end all, be all of the world.

“Increasing prices, from what I see, they’re falling.”

Clearly not looking far enough. Look only to your Australian cousins for a look at what is atypical of the world.

“Where do you live then ?”

Besides the point. I’m just pointing out how I can go to Steam and buy any game, any time and from just about any where as long as I have internet.

You claim there are legal alternatives but so far the only thing you’ve given me is a bunch of states only places.

“Because simultaneous release would severely damage the cinema business. Games releases don’t have that issue. Some movies are released simultaneously but personally a short delay (and it really is short nowadays) is worth it to keep an entire industry that provides a unique experience alive.”

Considering Hollywood supplies the cinemas, this wouldn’t be too hard. “oh no! We have to actually use our distribution channels just like video games, just like music Just like smart phones”. lololololol.

This needless staggering of dates for movies is absurd, it’s like they WANT people to watch it online

“ummmmm ok, because you previously posted “I don’t download games, it’s cheaper and easier an far more beneficial to buy them.”.

From Steam. funny that.

“The difference in the laws of other countries and distributing your movie within their borders is not an excuse.It’s a fact.”

.Games are just like that too. In fact most places have a far more stringent set of laws on videos games than the USA whose age ristriction is only advisory where most places are legally binding.

Again, games manage it just fine.

“And laws are laws, which companies that redistribute legally have to abide by.”

What laws might those be?

“They would be incompetent if they ran roughshod over countries laws and legally binding syndication.”

Which laws?

“You know, just because a company sets up a service that redistributes, it does not mean that those that create the products that they would like to sell on that service, have to sell it to them. Certainly not if the service does not wish to pay the amount the company wants or if the service conflicts with the producers other interests. I’ve never really had that problem with RB though and even if something were not available through them, it’s usually $5 on cable or one of the other streaming services.”

I just find it funny that they have a profitable, growing and extremely innovative company selling their products for them and all they can think about is how they can kill it instead of actually working wit them.

See when it gets down it the Redbox events prove only one thing, Hollywood doesn’t want to negotiate. It doesn’t want to be friends. It simply uses one hand to hold onto and extort from others with its product while using the other as a fist to knock away progress, dissenters and innovation.It’s quite simply a bully.

Lastly you shouldn’t use Redbox. Hollywood thinks that it is as bad as piracy so you might upset them.

Pirates have resources and many of them have money from their illegal redistribution of copyrighted content. They just don’t pay for the $billions in content that they redistribute, be it movie blockbusters, music, software or CP lol. Illegal distribution of other peoples content for profit is not exactly hard to do now is it. With their current business model they’d disappear in the blink of an eye if they actually had to pay to license the content they redistributed for free.

There is no magic involved. It’s just very easy to point out the complete lack of offerings when piracy provides it and does it better with you refusing to take even a single lesson.Make it cheap. Make it available. Make it easy. 3 easy steps and all I hear are excuses.

Content is cheaper now to get than ever before in history. It’s more widely available and can be streamed on a multitude of devices. Pirating is also easier now than ever before and when that segment of the population are used to getting whatever they want under the sun for free, unless the new service reduces their prices to a few cents, they wont change their habits. And that isn’t going to happen.

Exactly. Price is always going to be the big thing and you know what? Steam is cheap! I got 10 games for $10 once and none of em small either. You can actually “sell” games on Steam btw. Steam game trading. It’s limited at this point which games can be done like this but it just stands to prove my point that Steam is far more flexible and successful in areas movies could only dream of.

I can get 10 new release movies in the states for $10 too using redbox. Or 10,000 plus titles for $8 using netflix, hulu or amazon. Content has never been cheaper.

Hilariously you sound more and more like some sort of crazed movie Grinch demanding people pay ever increasing prices for their media.

Increasing prices, from what I see, they’re falling.

You can’t point to one of these I can access or pay for. I don’t live in a 3rd world country btw.

Where do you live then ?

Why can’t it? Why won’t it work? All I hear are excuses about why it’s complicated but the free market doesn’t care. It won’t care until you actually offer something worth actually paying for.

Because simultaneous release would severely damage the cinema business. Games releases don’t have that issue. Some movies are released simultaneously but personally a short delay (and it really is short nowadays) is worth it to keep an entire industry that provides a unique experience alive.

re read that. I buy and own heaps of games on Steam.

ummmmm ok, because you previously posted “I don’t download games, it’s cheaper and easier an far more beneficial to buy them.”.

Games manage just fine. Again, this is just another excuse.

The difference in the laws of other countries and distributing your movie within their borders is not an excuse.It’s a fact.

Data is data, regardless of whether it is a movie, a game or a picture. Things are not magically more complicated because it’s a different media.There only different sizes of data.

And laws are laws, which companies that redistribute legally have to abide by.

So Hollywood and movie studios are incompetent? We’ve known this for years but they’ve got enough money they could easily get with the program if they wanted to.

They would be incompetent if they ran roughshod over countries laws and legally binding syndication.

Sounds great. Would be interesting if they ever made it here. Doubt they would seeing as their history has been them fighting Hollywood to even sell them the movies they provide.Funny that. You can find a champion of movie service doing something new and interesting and succeeding and still find Hollywood fighting it the whole way because it won’t conform to their twisted ideals.

You know, just because a company sets up a service that redistributes, it does not mean that those that create the products that they would like to sell on that service, have to sell it to them. Certainly not if the service does not wish to pay the amount the company wants or if the service conflicts with the producers other interests. I’ve never really had that problem with RB though and even if something were not available through them, it’s usually $5 on cable or one of the other streaming services.

You’re quite clearly lying. Mine brings it up so unless your computer is woefully corrupted or not up to date it’s the only possibility.

Post the quote and the exact post then. I’ve copy pasted where you said it, now you can do the same. You wont though because it’s not there.

Steam is offered in nearly every country, Just pointing that out cause it’s relevant for your next point.

“Basically, those that pirate from countries like the US, UK and Aus where services are available…..are cheapskates.”

I don’t live in any of those countries. Big fucking surprise but remarkably enough I can still buy all my games on Steam regardless of where I live.

“There are definitely a few notable titles not available and obviously a ton of older titles (many from the last 10 years) . They have the same issues that movie streaming services have insofar that they wont going to have “every single release ever”.”

So pirates can deliver a service that you withh money and resources can’t. You really are not selling me on the legal options when they happen to be inferior to piracy which is and has been my entire point.

“Maybe you think because a torrent site has more media available (because for their own greed and profit, fully reduced the ability of most rightsholders to fully utilize their distribution rights) that all services must also be able to magically redistribute every title under the sun. It doesn’t work like that with legal services Ice, not if you don’t wish to end up in jail.”

There is no magic involved. It’s just very easy to point out the complete lack of offerings when piracy provides it and does it better with you refusing to take even a single lesson.

Make it cheap. Make it available. Make it easy. 3 easy steps and all I hear are excuses.

“The major issue is always going to be cost – no two ways about it. Steam for example has DRM and plenty of it, you can’t play games on every platform or device obviously although IIRC you can play on different PC’s. You cant sell your games either as far as I know. And from what I’ve been reading from users of Steam, DRM isn’t anywhere near a big a factor as price.”

Exactly. Price is always going to be the big thing and you know what? Steam is cheap! I got 10 games for $10 once and none of em small either.

You can actually “sell” games on Steam btw. Steam game trading. It’s limited at this point which games can be done like this but it just stands to prove my point that Steam is far more flexible and successful in areas movies could only dream of.

“I’m sure “some of them” are, judging by what I see on forums though, a very high percentage will pirate no matter what media companies do, whether those companies are big media or independent. Not because a release didn’t come with the right audio, or drm but simply because they want free shit.”

Hilariously you sound more and more like some sort of crazed movie Grinch demanding people pay ever increasing prices for their media.

“Sometimes they sell cheap. I bought Bioshock Infinite hard copy a few months back from a brick and mortar for example and it was 2 dollars cheaper back then than steam have it listed for today. And of course, I have the hard copy and can resell it when finished. Streaming services are even cheaper…..$10 a month for 10′s of thousands of media titles from services like netflix which make steam look expensive title for title.”

You can’t point to one of these I can access or pay for. I don’t live in a 3rd world country btw.

“This is not a case of knocking Steam, the service is pretty good. The are also some good quality movie and TV streaming services too. They wont have everything because no authorized service is a “one stop shop” an d to be honest…..I think thats better for competition amongst the legal services.”

Why can’t it? Why won’t it work? All I hear are excuses about why it’s complicated but the free market doesn’t care. It won’t care until you actually offer something worth actually paying for.

“So you don’t buy games on steam. Any reason ? I’m curious since you have been so complimentary on their service.”

re read that. I buy and own heaps of games on Steam.

“There are plenty of services for streaming movies. They wont have every release ever made but neither does steam. Whether a service will ever combine all studios (major and independent) and then somehow manage to get all of them to agree on flat prices (regardless of cost that each of them spent on their creation etc) and then to release the every single piece of media that each has ever created is anyone’s guess.”

None of them offer here.

“It’s not just that, countries have laws regarding what they will even allow to be released in their countries. In addition to syndication agreements etc. It’s just not as simple as pirates would like to think.”

Games manage just fine. Again, this is just another excuse.

“It’s not the same when you do it legally.”

Data is data, regardless of whether it is a movie, a game or a picture. Things are not magically more complicated because it’s a different media.There only different sizes of data.

“Able actually factors in just as much as willing.”

So Hollywood and movie studios are incompetent? We’ve known this for years but they’ve got enough money they could easily get with the program if they wanted to.

“It’s in the US, 42000 locations $1 – $1.20 movies and games (probably $1.5). All latest.”

Sounds great. Would be interesting if they ever made it here. Doubt they would seeing as their history has been them fighting Hollywood to even sell them the movies they provide.

Funny that. You can find a champion of movie service doing something new and interesting and succeeding and still find Hollywood fighting it the whole way because it won’t conform to their twisted ideals.

“It is my friend and it only brings up your post.”

You’re quite clearly lying. Mine brings it up so unless your computer is woefully corrupted or not up to date it’s the only possibility.

Steam doesn’t offer all games and some developers are totally absent. Similarly Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Flixter etc etc don’t offer all movies and TV series either. Each streaming TV movie service offers 10′s of thousands of titles for around $10 a month that you can watch on your PC, ipad, phone, roku, xbox etc. And at least with the movie streaming services that are available, todays blockbuster will probably be free in 6 or so months, so if you don’t want to pay cinema prices or the $5.99 that it usually is on first streaming release…..you’ll get it for free in about 6 months.

Basically, those that pirate from countries like the US, UK and Aus where services are available…..are cheapskates.

There are definitely a few notable titles not available and obviously a ton of older titles (many from the last 10 years) . They have the same issues that movie streaming services have insofar that they wont going to have “every single release ever”.
Maybe you think because a torrent site has more media available (because for their own greed and profit, fully reduced the ability of most rightsholders to fully utilize their distribution rights) that all services must also be able to magically redistribute every title under the sun. It doesn’t work like that with legal services Ice, not if you don’t wish to end up in jail.

It has been shown, time and time again, the more hoops, the more aggressive the DRM, the terrible in comparable quality your product is as compared to the torrented one the worse you will do.
The major issue is always going to be cost – no two ways about it. Steam for example has DRM and plenty of it, you can’t play games on every platform or device obviously although IIRC you can play on different PC’s. You cant sell your games either as far as I know. And from what I’ve been reading from users of Steam, DRM isn’t anywhere near a big a factor as price

It has also been shown that the people that do the most downloading are the ones spending the most on the media they download. They ARE potential consumers whether you like it or not.
I’m sure “some of them” are, judging by what I see on forums though, a very high percentage will pirate no matter what media companies do, whether those companies are big media or independent. Not because a release didn’t come with the right audio, or drm but simply because they want free shit.

You know what steam also does? Sell em dirt cheap. You’ll find most of their offers are cheaper than a hard copy version.
Sometimes they sell cheap. I bought Bioshock Infinite hard copy a few months back from a brick and mortar for example and it was 2 dollars cheaper back then than steam have it listed for today. And of course, I have the hard copy and can resell it when finished. Streaming services are even cheaper…..$10 a month for 10′s of thousands of media titles from services like netflix which make steam look expensive title for title.
This is not a case of knocking Steam, the service is pretty good. The are also some good quality movie and TV streaming services too. They wont have everything because no authorized service is a “one stop shop” and to be honest…..I think thats better for competition amongst the legal services.

I don’t download games, it’s cheaper and easier an far more beneficial to buy them.
So you don’t buy games on steam. Any reason ? I’m curious since you have been so complimentary on their service.

If Steam can do this to games, someone could surely do it for movies.

There are plenty of services for streaming movies. They wont have every release ever made but neither does steam. Whether a service will ever combine all studios (major and independent) and then somehow manage to get all of them to agree on flat prices (regardless of cost that each of them spent on their creation etc) and then to release the every single piece of media that each has ever created is anyone’s guess.

If the only thing in the way movies and being downloaded is their release time, then start providing your shit globally.
It’s not just that, countries have laws regarding what they will even allow to be released in their countries. In addition to syndication agreements etc. It’s just not as simple as pirates would like to think.
Every torrent site ever disagrees. If we can do it for free, I’m fairly sure you can do it in some fashion.
It’s not the same when you do it legally.

At the end of the day it comes down to what you are willing to do, not able. Willing. The tech and bandwidth has long existed both in the states and numerous other places.
Able actually factors in just as much as willing.

Never even heard of Redbox. That’s likely because where I live it isn’t offered. Just checked, Yea. Not even in the same region. Lets stick to global services.
It’s in the US, 42000 locations $1 – $1.20 movies and games (probably $1.5). All latest.

The only spelling mistake of that fashion was found in your post. crt+f is your friend.
It is my friend and it only brings up your post.

It is you refusing to explain yourself and providing comical one word answers. You must be confusing my posts with yours again.
All you need to do is explain: What outside posts YOU were referring to and also what context. Or was your post just another throw away attempt at a response.

Besides the point. There is no comparable service provider that does what Steam does for games, as to what could be done for movies. It’s not offered at all.

Lastly, name a game you can’t find on Steam, GoG, Origin or Amazon (digital copy). You’ll likely be hard pressed given a few notable exceptions.

“And those barriers shift for every single pirate out there……the main one being “I don’t have enough money to buy all the media I want to consume so I’m going to take it all anyway”. That is not a potential customer, it’s a pirate who will continue to pirate regardless of the authorized services available to them.”

It has been shown, time and time again, the more hoops, the more aggressive the DRM, the terrible in comparable quality your product is as compared to the torrented one the worse you will do.

It has also been shown tat the people that do the most downloading are the ones spending the most on the media they download. They ARE potential consumers whether you like it or not.

“Steam doesn’t break copyright laws, redistribute without permission and there are costs to buying the vast majority of games.”

You know what steam also does? Sell em dirt cheap. You’ll find most of their offers are cheaper than a hard copy version.

“You’d have to buy the movies still, just like you have to buy games on steam. The two products have different redistribution however and even if you boil it down to the single main difference, that of the release period for cinema’s (which games are obviously not subject to) there still lies another pirate hurdle, that of cost to view a movie.”

I don’t download games, it’s cheaper and easier an far more beneficial to buy them.

If Steam can do this to games, someone could surely do it for movies.

If the only thing in the way movies and being downloaded is their release time, then start providing your shit globally.

“Redistribution of a different digital products are not the same.”

Every torrent site ever disagrees. If we can do it for free, I’m fairly sure you can do it in some fashion

At the end of the day it comes down to what you are willing to do, not able. Willing. The tech and bandwidth has long existed both in the states and numerous other places.

“Look at how quickly it does get released for general sale via online streaming services and physical media nowadays…..sometimes within months. And there are services like redbox for example, where you can rent the latest movies for $1.”

Never even heard of Redbox. That’s likely because where I live it isn’t offered. Just checked, Yea. Not even in the same region. Lets stick to global services.

You’ve mentioned online streaming services? Care to name em?

Even were it, that’s a rental service. An online vendor or streaming service is rather different from what I was talking about.

“Why can’t you find and/or quote the post then ?”

The only spelling mistake of that fashion was found in your post. crt+f is your friend.

“You should explain your post first”

It is you refusing to explain yourself and providing comical one word answers. You must be confusing my posts with yours again.