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		<title>By: travis</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry roze but you were almost entirely inaccurate in the majority of the facts you just claimed....while i think we&#039;d actually agree these subjects your facts just aren&#039;t quote there]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry roze but you were almost entirely inaccurate in the majority of the facts you just claimed&#8230;.while i think we&#8217;d actually agree these subjects your facts just aren&#8217;t quote there</p>
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		<title>By: Stocks and Bonds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Laptop Brigade: Ron Paul on Monetary Reform &#124; Free Laptop and &#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roze</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Little money to be made through non-commercial usages&quot; refers to the comparative amount to be made through commercial usages. One academic named Hilden has already proposed this scheme of profiting through commercial usage instead. 
 
&quot;the fact is (see what I did there?) only 38% of the people who downloaded &#8220;in rainbows&#8221; paid anything. and that&#8217;s for a rather cultish band that had 13 years of previous big label backing and marketing through capitol records!&quot; 
In actuality, according to a Gallup poll, to the vast majority of people (above 80%), sharing makes no difference in their likeliness to buy a work. Those other 62% percent would not have bought anyways if it were not available for free. 
 
&lt;i&gt;there is a HUGE difference between having to rightfully pay for what you consume and choosing to pay for what you consume. &#8220;selling&#8221; is not the same as &#8220;charity&#8221;.&lt;/i&gt; 
In actuality, nobody &quot;has to&quot; pay for any music/movies/&amp;c. because people do indeed choose to pay for what they consume. For example, nobody &quot;has to&quot; watch a certain movie; people &lt;i&gt;choose&lt;/i&gt; to see the movie. For people to see the movie in the first place for a certain price is indeed charity, because nobody really needs to see the movie. 
 
&lt;i&gt;1) box office is the smallest revenue source for the film industry (which makes you an idiot) 
 
2) live performances are expected to eclipse recorded music sales this year for the first time ever and this is largely attributed to the increase in online piracy. (hardly what I&#8217;d call &#8220;much more money&#8221; especially considering it hasn&#8217;t even happened yet&#8230;which makes you an idiot) 
 
3) the video game industry took in 32 billion last year selling games. You apparently think the majority of that was made through commercial halo tournaments (which makes you an idiot).&lt;/i&gt; 
In addition to the fact that the Gallup poll mentioned above has shown that it makes no difference to whether people buy it or not, you have no citations that any of these three points are false, or, even if they are false &lt;i&gt;for the time being&lt;/i&gt;, you have not proven that it is in fact, impossible for them to be true in the future. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Little money to be made through non-commercial usages&quot; refers to the comparative amount to be made through commercial usages. One academic named Hilden has already proposed this scheme of profiting through commercial usage instead. </p>
<p>&quot;the fact is (see what I did there?) only 38% of the people who downloaded &ldquo;in rainbows&rdquo; paid anything. and that&rsquo;s for a rather cultish band that had 13 years of previous big label backing and marketing through capitol records!&quot;<br />
In actuality, according to a Gallup poll, to the vast majority of people (above 80%), sharing makes no difference in their likeliness to buy a work. Those other 62% percent would not have bought anyways if it were not available for free. </p>
<p><i>there is a HUGE difference between having to rightfully pay for what you consume and choosing to pay for what you consume. &ldquo;selling&rdquo; is not the same as &ldquo;charity&rdquo;.</i><br />
In actuality, nobody &quot;has to&quot; pay for any music/movies/&amp;c. because people do indeed choose to pay for what they consume. For example, nobody &quot;has to&quot; watch a certain movie; people <i>choose</i> to see the movie. For people to see the movie in the first place for a certain price is indeed charity, because nobody really needs to see the movie. </p>
<p><i>1) box office is the smallest revenue source for the film industry (which makes you an idiot) </p>
<p>2) live performances are expected to eclipse recorded music sales this year for the first time ever and this is largely attributed to the increase in online piracy. (hardly what I&rsquo;d call &ldquo;much more money&rdquo; especially considering it hasn&rsquo;t even happened yet&hellip;which makes you an idiot) </p>
<p>3) the video game industry took in 32 billion last year selling games. You apparently think the majority of that was made through commercial halo tournaments (which makes you an idiot).</i><br />
In addition to the fact that the Gallup poll mentioned above has shown that it makes no difference to whether people buy it or not, you have no citations that any of these three points are false, or, even if they are false <i>for the time being</i>, you have not proven that it is in fact, impossible for them to be true in the future. </p>
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		<title>By: El Partido Pirata aterriza en EE UU</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Partido Pirata ha abierto sucursal en casa de su mayor enemigo: California, la cuna de la industria cinematográfica. Desde ayer, esta formación política que ya ha cosechado algún éxito en Europa inicia sus [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: HAHAHAH</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why even discuss this foul smelling FARCE called the US PIRATE PARTY?  Flush it before it stinks up the room and move on to a serious political organization and not some pimply faced jokes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why even discuss this foul smelling FARCE called the US PIRATE PARTY?  Flush it before it stinks up the room and move on to a serious political organization and not some pimply faced jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: fr33tard</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;It is not irrelevant because you have used the word &quot;freeloading,&quot; and it is part of the definition of the word &quot;freeloading.&quot; You do not have to be so anti-dictionary.&#8221; 
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LOL! 
 
the word &#8220;survivability&#8221; has nothing to do with the definition of &#8220;freeloading&#8221;. you are a f*cking idiot. saying i am &#8220;anti-dictionary&#8221; is just the icing on your failcake. please link me to the definition that mentions &#8220;survivability&#8221;. i dare you to try. 
 
 
&#8220;the fact is that it is much better to make money off of complimentary works instead.&#8221; 
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LOL!  
 
a funny thing with your posts is that whenever you say &#8220;the fact is&#8230;&#8221; (which is annoyingly often i&#8217;m afraid) what invariably follows is the furthest thing from a fact as you could possibly get. you are confusing &#8220;opinions&#8221; and &#8220;facts&#8221; which makes you an idiot.  
 
&#8220;There is little money to be made through non-commercial usages&#8221; 
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LOL!  
 
wow. just. wow. this might be the single dumbest thing you&#8217;ve ever posted here, and that is quite a feat... 
 
&quot;so there is much more money from commercial usages, like screening in movies, or live performances, or things like that.&quot; 
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LOL! 
 
1) box office is the smallest revenue source for the film industry (which makes you an idiot) 
 
2) live performances are expected to eclipse recorded music sales this year for the first time ever and this is largely attributed to the increase in online piracy. (hardly what I&#8217;d call &#8220;much more money&#8221; especially considering it hasn&#8217;t even happened yet&#8230;which makes you an idiot) 
 
3) the video game industry took in 32 billion last year selling games. You apparently think the majority of that was made through commercial halo tournaments (which makes you an idiot). 
 
&quot;The radiohead/NIN experiments have taught us the opposite of what you have stated. You do not have to be so anti-reality.&quot; 
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LOL! 
 
you are the last person that should be calling anyone &#8220;anti-reality&#8221;. Someone high out of their mind on LSD has a better grip on reality than you do.  the fact is (see what I did there?) only 38% of the people who downloaded &#8220;in rainbows&#8221; paid anything. and that&#8217;s for a rather cultish band that had 13 years of previous big label backing and marketing through capitol records! 
 
&#8220;Even if donations are required, the fact is that this charity is no different from buying&#8230;To buy it is essentially to give charity&#8230;If you want to live off of selling &quot;art,&quot; then you are living off of charity no matter what.&#8221; 
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LOL! 
 
there is a HUGE difference between having to rightfully pay for what you consume and choosing to pay for what you consume. &#8220;selling&#8221; is not the same as &#8220;charity&#8221;.  
 
why don&#039;t you take your own advice and crack open a dictionary? 
 
 
&#8220;Even if donations are required, the fact is that this charity is no different from buying&#8230;To buy it is essentially to give charity&#8230;If you want to live off of selling &quot;art,&quot; then you are living off of charity no matter what.&#8221; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&ldquo;It is not irrelevant because you have used the word &quot;freeloading,&quot; and it is part of the definition of the word &quot;freeloading.&quot; You do not have to be so anti-dictionary.&rdquo;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; </p>
<p>LOL! </p>
<p>the word &ldquo;survivability&rdquo; has nothing to do with the definition of &ldquo;freeloading&rdquo;. you are a f*cking idiot. saying i am &ldquo;anti-dictionary&rdquo; is just the icing on your failcake. please link me to the definition that mentions &ldquo;survivability&rdquo;. i dare you to try. </p>
<p>&ldquo;the fact is that it is much better to make money off of complimentary works instead.&rdquo;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; </p>
<p>LOL!  </p>
<p>a funny thing with your posts is that whenever you say &ldquo;the fact is&hellip;&rdquo; (which is annoyingly often i&rsquo;m afraid) what invariably follows is the furthest thing from a fact as you could possibly get. you are confusing &ldquo;opinions&rdquo; and &ldquo;facts&rdquo; which makes you an idiot.  </p>
<p>&ldquo;There is little money to be made through non-commercial usages&rdquo;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; </p>
<p>LOL!  </p>
<p>wow. just. wow. this might be the single dumbest thing you&rsquo;ve ever posted here, and that is quite a feat&#8230; </p>
<p>&quot;so there is much more money from commercial usages, like screening in movies, or live performances, or things like that.&quot;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; </p>
<p>LOL! </p>
<p>1) box office is the smallest revenue source for the film industry (which makes you an idiot) </p>
<p>2) live performances are expected to eclipse recorded music sales this year for the first time ever and this is largely attributed to the increase in online piracy. (hardly what I&rsquo;d call &ldquo;much more money&rdquo; especially considering it hasn&rsquo;t even happened yet&hellip;which makes you an idiot) </p>
<p>3) the video game industry took in 32 billion last year selling games. You apparently think the majority of that was made through commercial halo tournaments (which makes you an idiot). </p>
<p>&quot;The radiohead/NIN experiments have taught us the opposite of what you have stated. You do not have to be so anti-reality.&quot;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- </p>
<p>LOL! </p>
<p>you are the last person that should be calling anyone &ldquo;anti-reality&rdquo;. Someone high out of their mind on LSD has a better grip on reality than you do.  the fact is (see what I did there?) only 38% of the people who downloaded &ldquo;in rainbows&rdquo; paid anything. and that&rsquo;s for a rather cultish band that had 13 years of previous big label backing and marketing through capitol records! </p>
<p>&ldquo;Even if donations are required, the fact is that this charity is no different from buying&hellip;To buy it is essentially to give charity&hellip;If you want to live off of selling &quot;art,&quot; then you are living off of charity no matter what.&rdquo;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- </p>
<p>LOL! </p>
<p>there is a HUGE difference between having to rightfully pay for what you consume and choosing to pay for what you consume. &ldquo;selling&rdquo; is not the same as &ldquo;charity&rdquo;.  </p>
<p>why don&#039;t you take your own advice and crack open a dictionary? </p>
<p>&ldquo;Even if donations are required, the fact is that this charity is no different from buying&hellip;To buy it is essentially to give charity&hellip;If you want to live off of selling &quot;art,&quot; then you are living off of charity no matter what.&rdquo;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- </p>
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		<title>By: Roze</title>
		<link>/us-pirate-party-docks-in-california-090129/#comment-528543</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright does not enable artists to make a living. The only thing it does is control, not ensuring an income. Why don&#039;t you come up with evidence that people pay due to copyright? A Gallup poll has shown that copyright makes no difference in whether people pay or not, for the vast majority of people. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright does not enable artists to make a living. The only thing it does is control, not ensuring an income. Why don&#039;t you come up with evidence that people pay due to copyright? A Gallup poll has shown that copyright makes no difference in whether people pay or not, for the vast majority of people. </p>
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		<title>By: Roze</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright does not enable artists to make a living. Why don&#039;t you come up with evidence that people pay due to copyright? A Gallup poll has shown that copyright makes no difference in whether people pay or not, for the vast majority of people. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright does not enable artists to make a living. Why don&#039;t you come up with evidence that people pay due to copyright? A Gallup poll has shown that copyright makes no difference in whether people pay or not, for the vast majority of people. </p>
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		<title>By: fr33tard</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;it is still dubious that it is any &quot;freeloading&quot; due to the fact that one cannot survive off of music or movies&quot; 
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that is an irrelevant fact in regard to the definition of &#039;freeloading&quot; which you still don&#039;t seem to understand.   
 
and pirates &quot;trying to pay&quot; doesn&#039;t put food on anyone&#039;s table or a roof over anyone&#039;s head.  
 
furthermore if the radiohead/NIN experiments taught us anything, it&#039;s that the VAST MAJORITY of pirates have no interest in paying even a single CENT directly to the artist in exchange for their hard work.  
 
and personally, i don&#039;t like being forced into a position dependant on charity, especially given how cheap the majority of your freeloaders have proven yourselves to be.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;it is still dubious that it is any &quot;freeloading&quot; due to the fact that one cannot survive off of music or movies&quot;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; </p>
<p>that is an irrelevant fact in regard to the definition of &#039;freeloading&quot; which you still don&#039;t seem to understand.   </p>
<p>and pirates &quot;trying to pay&quot; doesn&#039;t put food on anyone&#039;s table or a roof over anyone&#039;s head.  </p>
<p>furthermore if the radiohead/NIN experiments taught us anything, it&#039;s that the VAST MAJORITY of pirates have no interest in paying even a single CENT directly to the artist in exchange for their hard work.  </p>
<p>and personally, i don&#039;t like being forced into a position dependant on charity, especially given how cheap the majority of your freeloaders have proven yourselves to be.  </p>
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		<title>By: fr33tard</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i can understand how a hobbyist such as yourself would be content just to have a bunch of non-paying fans. 
 
what i don&#039;t understand is how you can&#039;t accept that some artists actually want to make a living doing what they love... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can understand how a hobbyist such as yourself would be content just to have a bunch of non-paying fans. </p>
<p>what i don&#039;t understand is how you can&#039;t accept that some artists actually want to make a living doing what they love&#8230; </p>
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