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	<title>Comments on: Warez Scene Member Gets 3 Years Probation, $2000 Fine</title>
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		<title>By: Idiots</title>
		<link>/warez-scene-member-gets-3-years-probation-2000-fine-080927/#comment-500046</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a little late on this, but TEN and TBR have been around forever and some of the guys in this bust were doing it long before DOD,RZR,WLW,RISC,and alike were busted ages ago.

For a guy like tcut and his apc cronies to still be doing this after all these years is completely idiotic. I guess they didn&#039;t know &quot;it&#039;s only a matter of time&quot; applied to them too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late on this, but TEN and TBR have been around forever and some of the guys in this bust were doing it long before DOD,RZR,WLW,RISC,and alike were busted ages ago.</p>
<p>For a guy like tcut and his apc cronies to still be doing this after all these years is completely idiotic. I guess they didn&#8217;t know &#8220;it&#8217;s only a matter of time&#8221; applied to them too.</p>
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		<title>By: Diji1</title>
		<link>/warez-scene-member-gets-3-years-probation-2000-fine-080927/#comment-499323</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[h33t: the fact that they were convicted of criminal conspiracy to commit copyright fraud just proves my point.  Breaking copyright by transmitting content is still against copyright law - ie. it&#039;s a criminal act.  It doesn&#039;t matter one bit if a filesharer is making the tiniest infraction, it&#039;s stiull an illegal act.

Proportionality has precisely nothing to do with whether an act is criminal or not.  A supermarket will prosecute you if you steal a 10c chewing gum or $500 worth of meat products - it&#039;s still larceny. Laws are very precisely worded.  It does have something to do with whether LEA will choose to prosecute the law against an individual but this doesn&#039;t mean it not criminal.

Your friends example is laughable:  for a start it doesn&#039;t cost 100,000,000 (or whatever huge figure it is) per episode, that&#039;s the amount that the network is making from advertisers. Advertisers pay that because people like the show and will hence view advertisments during the show itself.  Someone who doesn&#039;t do that - like me - has avoided viewing the ads.  The artist (producers, actors etc.) gets zilch from me.  The network has less money to provide value to the makers of Friends now which makes it more risky to produce a new series because the value provided is lessened.  Where&#039;s the value eh?  Also, the distributors are *not* going to turn around and sell to another network because no network would purchase it without a contract prohibiting this.  You&#039;re absurd with that point.

Making TV shows is an extremely risky business as who knows what will be successful - higher risk means there has to be a large amount of money made on something successful because if there wasn&#039;t investors would place their money elsewhere.  You know, in real life and reality.

Once again, to be clear: I like obtaining copyrighted content without duely compensating the owners of it - I&#039;m pro p2p.  It&#039;s not always the middleman that gets screwed, there&#039;s a myriad of tiny software companies I also defraud.

Just because I like it doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not breaking laws though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>h33t: the fact that they were convicted of criminal conspiracy to commit copyright fraud just proves my point.  Breaking copyright by transmitting content is still against copyright law &#8211; ie. it&#8217;s a criminal act.  It doesn&#8217;t matter one bit if a filesharer is making the tiniest infraction, it&#8217;s stiull an illegal act.</p>
<p>Proportionality has precisely nothing to do with whether an act is criminal or not.  A supermarket will prosecute you if you steal a 10c chewing gum or $500 worth of meat products &#8211; it&#8217;s still larceny. Laws are very precisely worded.  It does have something to do with whether LEA will choose to prosecute the law against an individual but this doesn&#8217;t mean it not criminal.</p>
<p>Your friends example is laughable:  for a start it doesn&#8217;t cost 100,000,000 (or whatever huge figure it is) per episode, that&#8217;s the amount that the network is making from advertisers. Advertisers pay that because people like the show and will hence view advertisments during the show itself.  Someone who doesn&#8217;t do that &#8211; like me &#8211; has avoided viewing the ads.  The artist (producers, actors etc.) gets zilch from me.  The network has less money to provide value to the makers of Friends now which makes it more risky to produce a new series because the value provided is lessened.  Where&#8217;s the value eh?  Also, the distributors are *not* going to turn around and sell to another network because no network would purchase it without a contract prohibiting this.  You&#8217;re absurd with that point.</p>
<p>Making TV shows is an extremely risky business as who knows what will be successful &#8211; higher risk means there has to be a large amount of money made on something successful because if there wasn&#8217;t investors would place their money elsewhere.  You know, in real life and reality.</p>
<p>Once again, to be clear: I like obtaining copyrighted content without duely compensating the owners of it &#8211; I&#8217;m pro p2p.  It&#8217;s not always the middleman that gets screwed, there&#8217;s a myriad of tiny software companies I also defraud.</p>
<p>Just because I like it doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not breaking laws though.</p>
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		<title>By: wow</title>
		<link>/warez-scene-member-gets-3-years-probation-2000-fine-080927/#comment-499296</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow dudes.. Ive been to emporia VA several times.. its like middle of nowhere nothing town.. lol. Its just one of those towns you go through when your traveling somewhere else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow dudes.. Ive been to emporia VA several times.. its like middle of nowhere nothing town.. lol. Its just one of those towns you go through when your traveling somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: random</title>
		<link>/warez-scene-member-gets-3-years-probation-2000-fine-080927/#comment-499223</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2000 pounds and probation .. it hardly seems worth it  especially after 3 years and shit loads of tax payers money .... riaa and mpaa why dont u take up knitting and let the cops catch real criminals instead of wasting their time ... any 1 agree ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2000 pounds and probation .. it hardly seems worth it  especially after 3 years and shit loads of tax payers money &#8230;. riaa and mpaa why dont u take up knitting and let the cops catch real criminals instead of wasting their time &#8230; any 1 agree ?</p>
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		<title>By: s2pid</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am Legit.A total is faker is a cloned arsehole.

Long Live whoever that&#039;s not me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Legit.A total is faker is a cloned arsehole.</p>
<p>Long Live whoever that&#8217;s not me.</p>
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		<title>By: CSI@h33t</title>
		<link>/warez-scene-member-gets-3-years-probation-2000-fine-080927/#comment-499152</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if i remember correctly, some music makers actually started to provide there music on P2P !!

interesting :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i remember correctly, some music makers actually started to provide there music on P2P !!</p>
<p>interesting :D</p>
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		<title>By: h33t</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[h33t]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[how do artists benefit from filesharing?

by cutting out the middleman

*daah*

look at the tv series &quot;Friends&quot;. it costs 100,000,000 per episode. where is the value?

the value is not in the fact that you and your friends are gonna pay 100,000,000 to watch it ... if you did then *hooorah* because the owner is gonna sell it again for another 100,000,000 on another network. that is the absolute absurdity of the copyright regime

reality is, the way it works in real life, the tv show is a vessel for brand promotion. the tv show is sold by syndication to networks who sell the vessel to advertisers who pay to be associated with the kudos of the show

digital content that can be copied at no cost has zero value. the value is in the vessel and the application of the vessel to the audience

here we goooo with an almighty *kaaaadaaaaah*

go to fukin school you moron

http://www.h33t.com/ where we lurve torrentfreak :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do artists benefit from filesharing?</p>
<p>by cutting out the middleman</p>
<p>*daah*</p>
<p>look at the tv series &#8220;Friends&#8221;. it costs 100,000,000 per episode. where is the value?</p>
<p>the value is not in the fact that you and your friends are gonna pay 100,000,000 to watch it &#8230; if you did then *hooorah* because the owner is gonna sell it again for another 100,000,000 on another network. that is the absolute absurdity of the copyright regime</p>
<p>reality is, the way it works in real life, the tv show is a vessel for brand promotion. the tv show is sold by syndication to networks who sell the vessel to advertisers who pay to be associated with the kudos of the show</p>
<p>digital content that can be copied at no cost has zero value. the value is in the vessel and the application of the vessel to the audience</p>
<p>here we goooo with an almighty *kaaaadaaaaah*</p>
<p>go to fukin school you moron</p>
<p><a href="http://www.h33t.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.h33t.com/</a> where we lurve torrentfreak :-D</p>
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		<title>By: h33t</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is school for 3 year olds. it delights me the MAFIAA as so weak :-)

the guys at elitetorrents convicted of criminal conspiracy to commit copyright fraud were guilty of procuring pre-release stolen content which released on elitetorrents increased the substantive value of the site

not only were they convicted of a single instance but of a systematic conspiracy to defraud

the keys are: organisation, conspiracy, substantive

the petty filesharer is guity of none of those

proportionality and dimensionality are significant when appraising the activity of the petty filesharer. indeed it may be the case that 1,000,000,000 petty filesharers make a big hit ... but then you are swimming against the tide if you are not a filesharer

http://www.h33t.com/ where swimming against the tide is silliness]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is school for 3 year olds. it delights me the MAFIAA as so weak :-)</p>
<p>the guys at elitetorrents convicted of criminal conspiracy to commit copyright fraud were guilty of procuring pre-release stolen content which released on elitetorrents increased the substantive value of the site</p>
<p>not only were they convicted of a single instance but of a systematic conspiracy to defraud</p>
<p>the keys are: organisation, conspiracy, substantive</p>
<p>the petty filesharer is guity of none of those</p>
<p>proportionality and dimensionality are significant when appraising the activity of the petty filesharer. indeed it may be the case that 1,000,000,000 petty filesharers make a big hit &#8230; but then you are swimming against the tide if you are not a filesharer</p>
<p><a href="http://www.h33t.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.h33t.com/</a> where swimming against the tide is silliness</p>
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		<title>By: h33t</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no law has been broken

filesharing is not against the law

if you think that you have lost money because of my fileksharing then you can make a claim under civil law for your lost equity

i have broken no laws by filesharing

likelihood is that the court will find you have lost no equity by my filesharing. justice will find that i have increased your brand equity by my filesharing

http://www.h33t.com where the labor of love is loving your labor]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no law has been broken</p>
<p>filesharing is not against the law</p>
<p>if you think that you have lost money because of my fileksharing then you can make a claim under civil law for your lost equity</p>
<p>i have broken no laws by filesharing</p>
<p>likelihood is that the court will find you have lost no equity by my filesharing. justice will find that i have increased your brand equity by my filesharing</p>
<p><a href="http://www.h33t.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.h33t.com</a> where the labor of love is loving your labor</p>
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		<title>By: Diji1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diji1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK h33t, I should have said filesharing copyrighted content is against the law and therefore it is a crime, you happy ?

And it is not a civil matter, it is breaking criminal law:  if this is not so would you like to explain why some members of elite torrents are in jail now ??  How about the many other cases heard and being heard in criminal courts across the world - that is not a civil matter.

What planet are you on mate ;)... please explain what benefit copyright holders are &quot;reaping&quot; from me, you and the rest of the gang downloading files for free.  The financial benefit to them is zero unless you buy the product.  

Artists are not benefitting from filesharing - what: are you paying for what you download - I aint.  Sure, some artists have accepted the reality that some portion of their audience won&#039;t pay for content anymore but they aren&#039;t getting compensation from us.

And er... I say filesharers are pirates - no amount of self-justification is going to change this:  I just accept what I am.  Don&#039;t egt me wrong, I prefer to get content for nothing and I&#039;m certainly not anti-p2p.

You seem to have a tendency to blindly avoid facts in order to avoid internally labelling yourself as a criminal (according to current law) - I&#039;m with you, I just try not to delude myself]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK h33t, I should have said filesharing copyrighted content is against the law and therefore it is a crime, you happy ?</p>
<p>And it is not a civil matter, it is breaking criminal law:  if this is not so would you like to explain why some members of elite torrents are in jail now ??  How about the many other cases heard and being heard in criminal courts across the world &#8211; that is not a civil matter.</p>
<p>What planet are you on mate ;)&#8230; please explain what benefit copyright holders are &#8220;reaping&#8221; from me, you and the rest of the gang downloading files for free.  The financial benefit to them is zero unless you buy the product.  </p>
<p>Artists are not benefitting from filesharing &#8211; what: are you paying for what you download &#8211; I aint.  Sure, some artists have accepted the reality that some portion of their audience won&#8217;t pay for content anymore but they aren&#8217;t getting compensation from us.</p>
<p>And er&#8230; I say filesharers are pirates &#8211; no amount of self-justification is going to change this:  I just accept what I am.  Don&#8217;t egt me wrong, I prefer to get content for nothing and I&#8217;m certainly not anti-p2p.</p>
<p>You seem to have a tendency to blindly avoid facts in order to avoid internally labelling yourself as a criminal (according to current law) &#8211; I&#8217;m with you, I just try not to delude myself</p>
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