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Admins Of Oldest BitTorrent Site Face Criminal Charges

Two administrators of Filesoup – the longest standing BitTorrent community – have been charged with conspiracy to infringe copyright for their involvement with the site. The case is the second against UK-based BitTorrent site operators. The first case was brought against the owner of the OiNK BitTorrent tracker, who was later cleared of all charges.

filesoupFounded in 2003, UK-based FileSoup was one of the original torrent sites. It outlived many of the sites that sprung up around the time and developed a great reputation and a warm community in the years that followed.

After years of operating the site without any noticeable trouble, in the summer of 2009 police and the Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT) conducted a raid on the home address of the site’s owner, known online as ‘TheGeeker’. Another raid was carried out around the same time on the property of fellow administrator ‘Snookered’. Both were arrested and taken in for questioning.

From the information that we received after the raids it became clear that the MPAA-funded anti-piracy group FACT had been the driving force behind the case, and that they were responsible for gathering the intelligence that led up to the arrests.

Similar to other cases in the UK, such as that against TV Links, it was not the police but the private anti-piracy group FACT who took charge of property seized from the Filesoup operators. As it turned out, the police themselves knew very little about the suspects and their alleged crimes.

This became clear when Geeker was questioned by the police after his arrest last year. In common with other FACT-run cases, the nature of BitTorrent proved difficult for law enforcement to grasp, with Geeker having to explain how everything worked – including what URLs and domain names are.

Now, nearly a year later, Geeker and a fellow administrator Snookered have been charged with conspiracy to infringe copyright for their role in the site. Notably, Filesoup is mainly a discussion board and although torrent files are linked on the site, it hasn’t operated a tracker for half a decade.

The full text as it appears on the charge sheet is as follows:

Between the 1.1.2003 and 1.9.2009 Stephan […} and George […} conspired together with others unknown to infringe copyright in a work communicated to the public in the course of a business namely the website ‘Filesoup’ knowing or having reason to believe that copyright was infringed.

Conspiracy to Infringe Copyright by Communicating the work to the public Contrary to Section 1 Criminal Law Act 1977

Both admins are currently out on bail but have to surrender to the custody of Taunton Deane Magistrates in Taunton, Somerset, during early August.

Geeker told TorrentFreak that he has been in contact with the same solicitors who successfully defended the admin of the OiNK BitTorrent site, who walked free earlier this year after a UK court cleared him of all charges. He can’t give out any more details on the case at the moment, but has promised to keep us updated as soon as he can.

Although OiNK and Filesoup are both BitTorrent sites, the charges are quite different. Instead of going for ‘conspiracy to defraud’ as with the case against OiNK admin Allan Ellis, the Filesoup operators are charged with copyright infringement offenses.

It appears that FACT has instructed the authorities to try a different approach this time around since Allan Ellis was not convicted. The most worrying part in this and other cases is that private anti-piracy organizations have so much control of the authorities, up to the point where they can keep seized goods in their possession.

Geeker is confident that he and his fellow admin have a strong case. He believes that, like Alan Ellis, he has never done anything wrong and hopes to convince the court of the same. To be continued.

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  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    UK police and Govt – more corrupt than the people they are (supposedly) trying to save the public from.

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  • MeanRoy

    Agreed!

  • politux

    No soup for you!

  • by

    Where are my letters…

  • Wanged

    lost faith in the gov long ago

  • Anonymous

    FACT is funded by the MPAA? That should be a crime in itself :(

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  • John

    If the verdict comes down as not guilty i’m setting up my own public indexer in the UK.

    I’ve always wanted to do it – but if i’m going to go to jail for what other people put on my indexer, then no thank you.

    If the UK is a sane and rational country which doesn’t consider running trackers to be in it’s self an illegal act, then I’d like to facilitate the dispersal of information by hosting my own tracker. After all, knowledge is power, ignorance is a sin, etc etc.

  • Duke

    For those interested in the legal stuffs, the conspiracy to commit an offence under Section 1 of the Criminal Law Act 1977 is a fairly standard “if you plan to do something that will involve committing an offence you are guilty of the offence” thing. The actual “crime” they are being charged with seems to be Section 107(2A) of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. This states:

    (2A) A person who infringes copyright in a work by communicating the work to the public -
    (a) in the course of a business, or
    (b) otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
    commits an offence if he knows or has reason to believe that, by doing so, he is infringing copyright in that work.

    I’m not sure whether they’ll be going for (a) or (b) – if (b), then it could be interesting to see how they prove the “affect prejudicially” bit. That is, of course, if it doesn’t get thrown out on the grounds of improper procedures with FACT taking the evidence. Either way, it will be another interesting trial.

  • by

    @7 Jul 21, 2010 at 16:53 by John

    I understand you perfectly.

    We want to develop a bittorrent client but we have no money to defend ourself from being sue if so.
    I will become software engineer in the next year. Justice issue will compromise that. I know that life is a risk and without risk we have nothing.I’m just not ready to face that much of risk alone.

    That’s sad…
    Bittorrent have lot of potential and a lot of people don’t go that way by fear

  • gmd

    I wish the best of luck to Stephan and George. I’ve been following the case from when they were arrested.
    The way they have been treated by the police is appalling. Hopefully justice will prevail.

  • robin

    @ernesto:

    before you get too many views, pls ‘shop the charge sheet to hide **both** last names.

    seems fair.

  • ?

    Why don’t we just get the police to raid FACT. Say we caught them seeding copyright works. We don’t have to proove it. Just say they do it.

  • erer

    yep i’m with #11
    and seize everything… from their hard drives to their wives’ anal vibrators

  • Lucky Man

    I think MPAA/RIAA ppl probably share lot of films and blame bittorrent and torrent sites for copyright infringement but I think it is BS… the reason why bittorrent made for ppl who missed tv series like hard to find tv series, manufacturer stopped producing movies that’s why it is important to use bittorrent to make copied… this is no reason to raid somebody’s home or business for just copyright infringment. I guess life’s too short… there’s too many bittorrent sites created, too many ways to share files, maybe someday ppl will make new format type like usenet, torrent, rar, then maybe something new… RIAA/MPAA probably want more money and they think they’re smart and don’t want court or anybody find out what they up to cuz they got money but to me Money can’t buy u ending or happiness…

  • madalina

    kickasstorrents is the best now

  • LoL

    kickasstorrents sucks donkey dicks hell demonoid is better then them by a long shot and even demon blows.

  • truth

    I hope everything works out for Stephan and George. We are talking about peoples lives, being devastated by a corporation here.

  • Anonymous

    ^^lameass is just another dump site.
    but the more targets, the better I guess

    on topic..
    it’s not as if Filesoup actually hosts any content like dear Rapidshare does (and Rapidshare walked)
    case stinks of FAIL and that’s a fact

  • Concerned

    I am stunned over the power that FACT seems to have over the police, and the degree to which it is allowed to be involved in a case where it is the prosecutor. Talk about a conflict of interest! Perhaps an issue for the IPCC?

  • Anonymous

    “conspiracy to infringe copyright”

    These piece of crap of lawyers judges and prosecutors are inventing new BS charge all the time!

    Now are they wondering why they are losing their authority?

    “conspiracy to infringe copyright”?

    Ya right! What about “Thinking about conspiring to assist in conspiring to think about infringing copyright”?

    However I have some very serious charges to put on all these parasites and criminals who pretend to be judges lawyers and executives and I have sentences to propose for that.

  • Neostylish

    HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To jail you dumb cunts.

  • Anonymous

    “(2A) A person who infringes copyright in a work by communicating the work to the public -
    (a) in the course of a business, or
    (b) otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
    commits an offence if he knows or has reason to believe that, by doing so, he is infringing copyright in that work.”

    I can not see how they can claim that. Not with a BT site who don’t host any copyrighted material without even talking about all the legitimate use!

    This is BS

  • Pirat

    @8

    But if they are found guilty of a civil offence, shouldn’t they be liable like sharers would be under the CDPA, not criminal law?

  • l-form

    FACT should be charged with theft as they have no right to seize property which does not belong to them.

  • LoL

    To #18 I like that that makes a great point on how most torrent sites don’t host any files what so ever, but yet RS does and they can walk away from all this so wtf is the problem then? Also if they are going to now start to target sites just for people posting links that lead to other files on other sites we are all in for a long long haul.

  • Anonymous

    TorrentLeech is the best now

  • Duke

    @23 – Copyright Infringement in the UK is both a civil and criminal offence depending on how you do it. Generally it becomes a criminal offence if you do things in the course of business (i.e. to make money) and that is what Section 107 of the CDPA deals with.

    Otherwise, infringement is like any other infringement and becomes a civil matter – and until recently, the only thing a copyright holder could get was a blocking injunction or damages (assuming they could prove them). This is why we haven’t seen the same mass-litigation schemes in the UK that the RIAA have been running; they wouldn’t be remotely profitable and might set nasty (for the BPI et al.) precedents.

    So, in this case, FACT obviously thinks that they can get either the “in the course of business” or “so as to affect prejudicially” and so make it a criminal offence.

    It is much better for FACT to make it criminal, because this way they get the police to do all the “work” and the taxpayer to cover all the costs. They also don’t need the copyright owner’s involvement.

  • LoL

    #26 TorrentLeech is a decent site but in my opinion as I’ve been doing this for far to long that site is also a damn joke. It’s a freaking p2L site which = pay to leech. Craig/w00t has lost the true heart in actually running a torrent site it’s all about making money to him any more.

  • Gwiz

    Since when is it OK for a 3rd party (who is biased against the accused) to collect and hold evidence?? How is that not breaking the chain of evidence??

    I think I will go down to my local police station and have them arrest my neighbor (who is an ass and I don’t like) for check fraud (or something else I make up)on my word and I will collect all the information to convict him myself, process it and present it to the court.

    Yeah right…like that would be allowed.

  • Bunny

    Hardware has been siezed and is in posession of the prosecution?

    Should be thrown out on that alone, poloce are meant to hold the evidence, not the Federation Against Consumers Thinking…

  • Malaria

    That’ll learn ‘em for thieving the copyrights. dur

    Now, what was it that Aussie Judge said now in the iiNet case…

    “As an aside, the Court notes that AFACT, the organisation which the applicants use to aid in enforcement of their copyright, itself blurs the distinction between tortuous copyright infringement and criminal acts involving copyright, as seen in its name: Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft.”

  • David.M.George

    UK, stand up and express your views:
    http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/repealing-unnecessary-laws/digital-economy-act

    Take 2 minutes to sign up, rate and comment on this.

  • Ninja

    “conspiracy to infringe copyright”

    Oh please, not again. And this time it’s even worse than oink, it’s just a bloddy damn forum…

    I believe both raids could be turned into a criminal lawsuit against FACT. I mean, it’s not the cops doing the seizing and there’s no judicial law then fuck off. I think none of the guys that had their homes raided were prepared for such a thing and were caught off guard and thus didn’t react. I might be wrong though. In any case a private company doing what the police and ONLY the police should be doing instead is very wrong and worrying. I do hope they get their punishment for this.

    Duke (see comments above) points some interesting details. In either case it’s an easy win to the site owners if we consider a fair trial. However the damages have already been dealt as it’s going to take time to conclude the trial and it’ll consume the resources of Filesoup guys to the point they’ll have to close down the site.

    I do hope MAFIAA doesn’t succeed in using it’s financial superiority in this case. If the community is strong enough it’ll maintain itself.

    As always, I hope MAFIAA dies and rest in pieces. And I hope innocent ppl are left alone some day.

  • Anonymous

    there are no files in the soup.
    mpaa/riaa = FAIL

    the corprorates are the real crooks

  • Doink

    No soup for them.

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  • zenithmaster

    As several posters have already noted, this case is likely to get immediately thrown out by the any court on grounds of improper handling of evidence.

  • Cake

    TorrentLeech is owned by the mpaa/riaa
    Surprise surprise!

  • Capt. Awesome

    If F.A.C.T are now in procession of the computers, what is to stop them putting a ton of files on filesoups computers as ‘proof’ of them sharing actual files?

    The fact police have no clue what bit torrent is, and the same can be said about the judge then they could easily be BS’ed too.

    Due to the fact the police can now not ensure the computers can not be tampered with means this should be thrown out of court.

  • FuzzyX

    I am someone well aware of the operation of FACT and the Police they use.

    Make no mistake this is not about justice when FACT’s goal is to take their adversesy out of business by legal trickery possible worthy of the most nasty of lawyers.

    The Police are used by FACT despite FACT’s biased position. They are seen as technical advisers who of course abuse their findings.

    The Police are inept towards the technology the need to judge. This is how FACT get their foot in the door. “Look at this it must be wrong” where the Police do not know better.

    FACT join the Police on raids. FACT maintain and examine your property even without stated explanation or just reason.

    I know FACT well. They said they would return my property if they could keep one object and if I agreed not to sue them for damages. I said “no”

    FACT 0 – Me 1

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    In a sense, Permaculture is the bit torrent of agriculture, of civilization.

  • Loui

    they didnt even take http://filesoup.com/ down! wtf is going on?

    looks like FACT are frivolously exp[loiting the UK law to harass filesharers. is it not a criminal offense to treat the law frivolously?

  • LoL

    Looks like this is pretty much a dead topic now since the site is not down :)

  • zarathustra

    Please obscure Stephan’s Surname on the copy of the charge sheet.

  • owlguy223

    I’m still here, and think about this subject almost daily

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