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Anti-Piracy Group Threatens To Sue ISPs Over TV Show ‘Piracy’

CIAPC, the anti-piracy group that has successfully forced ISPs in Finland to block The Pirate Bay, has threatened to sue the ISPs themselves over alleged TV show piracy. Local ISPs such as Elisa and TeliaSonera offer cloud services where their customers can store TV shows for later viewing over the Internet. CIAPC says the services fall outside the scope of private copying “fair use” and therefore require a license to operate legally. The ISPs are ignoring demands to shut down the services and now face legal action.

For decades TV companies lived in the moment, transmitting TV shows at a certain time and date and expecting their customers to adapt to their predetermined schedules. Be around when the show airs, be around for the repeat, or miss it forever, the business model used to dictate.

Technologies such as VHS and more recently home hard disc recorders went some way to bridging the accessibility gap but these days customers increasingly want everything “on demand”, at a time and place of their choosing, not one dictated by a TV company.

To fill this gap in the market, some ISPs such as Elisa and TeliaSonera in Finland are offering their subscribers personal cloud storage. As a TV show is aired it is recorded to the customer’s cloud account, ready to be watched over the Internet at a more convenient time.

The ISPs and their subscribers appear to be happy with the convenience of the services but perhaps unsurprisingly they are now coming under attack from rightsholders.

CIAPC, the anti-piracy group that successfully forced ISPs such as Elisa, TeliaSonera and DNA (around 80% of the Finnish Internet market) to block The Pirate Bay, insists these services are illegal and should be shut down.

“Storage services for TV shows are currently offered by around twenty companies, including major Internet service providers such as Elisa and TeliaSonera,” CIAPC explain. “None of the companies have licenses for the services. This is significant, because the issue concerns around 100 million euros worth of commercial services.”

CIAPC say they wrote to the companies advising them that their services breach copyright law and ordering them to be shut down, but thus far the warnings have gone unheeded. So this week CIAPC reiterated their threats that if the services remain operational, legal action will follow.

“None of the service providers has complied with the requirement of the ban. It appears that a legal solution needs to be considered,” says CIAPC managing director Antti Kotilainen.

The timing of the threats appears to be linked to an announcement last week that the operators of TVkaista, a company offering similar services, had been charged for illegally offering the content of several TV companies without permission.

TVkaista’s CEO and technical director are accused of copyright and intellectual property offenses plus aggravated fraud. The company’s legal adviser is charged with criminal copyright offenses and copyright fraud.

The accused all protest their innocence. They insist that their service is legal under current law which grants their customers a fair use exception for private copying of TV shows for personal use.

The service offered by TVkaista is, however, slightly different to that being offered by Elisa and TeliaSonera. TVkaista records all programs and stores them for a few weeks whether customers ask for them or not. The other services only record TV shows on demand.

CIAPC say that the Copyright Act only permits users to save content such as TV shows, movies and music locally within the home, and these cloud services don’t fit that description.

None of the ISPs are expected to give in without a fight.

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  • Guest

    Geez the anti-piracy are doing themselves no favours here.

    • PirateSoldier

      Just hearing that Richard O’Dwyer will be extradited to the U.S

      • Violated0

        That is not true. UK Home Secretary Theresa May approved his extradition earlier this year but that is only one step in the process.

        Richard O’Dwyer has plenty of appeals to go including the one due next month on December 4. In that appeal he will point out that he can only be extradited if he is likely to receive a prison term of 12 months or more where we can see from recent US cases that this is unlikely.

        Also he will point out that his TV-Links linking site would be lawful under Section 17 of the European Commerce Directive 2000. That is his first step into EU directives which means if UK appeals fail he will move on EU appeals.

        Only when there are no more appeals due can Richard be extradited and that may well take years. I can only think that it would be a grave mistake for the UK Government to extradite him when they first need to prove he did break UK (English) law.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Unfortunately, you miss that the United States (to our government’s discredit) are putting pressure on the U.K. to extradite him immediately saying that it would be a ‘travesty of justice’ (more like travesty of just-us) to not extradite him.

  • polsenpol

    enigmax, you are so full of MAFIAA-SHIT !
    They are not watching ‘over the internet’, they are watchinng over the ISP’s network !

    • Anyone

      how is that not “the internet”?

      • Mat_t

        give him some slack, not everyone understands the series of tubes these days. not enough bandwidth on the highway, so to speak.

      • Who

        actually its not the internet, as ONLY there subscribers have access to it. or do they? but it don’t really matter as that’s actually invasion of privacy to the account holders. just the same shit as MegaUpload.

        this so called copyright/piracy/illegal file sharing will be the demise of the internet.

        even IF they some how stopped all this, they will just find some other thing to bitch about, just like in the past before the internet was in every hose hold, they bitched about who viewed what network on tv LOL.

        there just like spoiled BRATS….when things don’t go there way or they can’t have there way they cry about it.

    • bucket patrol

      unreasonably angry much? crawl back in the bucket please.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      That statement of yours was so full of ironic fail it almost hurts…

      ISP “network” == “Internet”.

      Which is why what the ISP’s are doing falls under the same heading as a cable company which also offers a “record” option.

      What I really don’t get is how stupid the pro-copyright crows are on this one. If they win consumers are still able to record at home – so they gain nothing.

      If they lose consumers get to record shows in the cloud instead.

      Whichever outcome will only cause them harm in the form of bad PR and with no gains What are they thinking?

      • IDIOCRACY

        Actually winning means that the cloud is not considered by law as private anymore but as corporate. This will have huge implications for all cloud services available in Finland, nothing in the cloud is anymore your own but from the network, all your private photo’s or content of for example Skydrive Icloud GoogleDrive etc.
        Nothing is considered your own anymore in any cloud, this means the death of cloud services in Finland effectively.

      • Who

        LOL ya cable dvr sat dvr hell they even make a dvr for over the air recording LOL

        its just stupid is as stupid does.

    • Guest

      you’re a fucking idiot, even Google, Yahoo, Microsoft is hosted on some ISP’s network somewhere.

      • tkp

        Actually, you’re a fucking idiot. Google, Yahoo, Microsoft > the internet > Your ISP > you vs Your ISP > You. You’re connected directly to your ISPs network wich then connects you to the internet.

        • Anyone

          everything outside your modem/router IS the internet
          it doesn’t matter if it leaves the ISPs net or not, it is still the internet

        • Who

          that’s exactly right

  • Anyone

    they really are refusing to adapt to reality

    • Anon

      Actually, they are respecting and retaining business rights that have been in place for centuries. Five years ago it was “you can’t stop us.” Now everyday TF publishes new stories of another indictment, another conviction, another penalty. This will ratchet up until none of us have room to breathe online, and all because of the pirate greed that compels it.

      When you can show where the trend among industry is to give up the control and the price of their work and the trend among governments is to support the pirates instead of the creators who actually do all the work and make all the investments, then you’ll have something. Until then, pirates are out of step with reality.

      • Montisaquadeis

        This is in no way piracy when you record the shows you are paying for to be able to watch then when and where ever you want. It is part of the next logical step in the line.

      • Anyone

        and did any of those indictments, convictions or penalties do anything to reduce piracy?

        all they do is to make the MAFIAA more hated and alienating more and more of the population

      • MadAsASnake

        What rights? Use to be that the tech to do this sort of thing was way outside of all possibility for most folks. There is no notional difference between this and a VCR – oh they tried to kill that too. This stuff is only going to people that have already paid for it – what is your problem?

      • Fredrika

        > “Actually, they are respecting and retaining business rights that have been in place for centuries.”

        You mean those legislative monopolies that are currently being dismantled and rendered completely obsolete by technical advancements?

        > “Five years ago it was “you can’t stop us.” Now everyday TF publishes new stories of another indictment, another conviction, another penalty. This will ratchet up until none of us have room to breathe online, and all because of the pirate greed that compels it.”

        I guess maths is another subject you skipped out on? The numbers of pirates in the world have almost doubled in the last five years, from a few hundreds millions to close to a billion, so how is it relevant that a few people get into trouble when the total numbers is ranging close to a billion?

        There have always been a few pirates caught during the last three hundreds years, but that has changed absolutely nothing, the pirates have won in the end every time, a fact you would have known had you studied history.

        > “When you can show where the trend among industry is to give up the control and the price of their work and the trend among governments is to support the pirates instead of the creators who actually do all the work and make all the investments, then you’ll have something.”

        Well were already there, which has been explained to you before? In the worlds strongest economy, that definitely dictates the future of copyright, which they just proved when they killed Acta, the pirates have already been elected into several governing offices, and the only growing political assembly group in the parliament of the worlds strongest economy now advocates legalised filesharing, thanks to the pirates.

        If you wanna talk about trends, please start to read the news, and maybe understand them as well.

        > “Until then, pirates are out of step with reality.”

        As was just pointed out to you once again, it’s you and the con artist collective Maffia that’s completely out of step with reality, instead wasting their time and last pennies believing in imaginary things.

        But you don’t wanna comment on facts and reality, now do you? To afraid as always.

      • Guest

        Accusations do not equal indictment, conviction or penalty.

        You lost the war when the courts found that the public had a right to record shows for personal use. And, “five years ago”? Didn’t you say that for a decade, you watched pirates break less law?

        For fuck’s sake, Anon, if you want to pull numbers out of your ass at least make sure they’re the same! I know math gives you RIAA fanboys a headache, but surely you can COUNT, right?

      • Guest

        “Now everyday TF publishes new stories of another indictment, another conviction, another penalty.”

        Holy shit. I just checked every Torrentfreak story for the entire month of October. There were a grand total of TWO stories about another idictment, conviction, or penalty. Two.

        And you say TF publushes new stories of another indictment, convicting, or penalty everyday? EVERY DAY? What alternate reality are you living in, you delusional motherfuck? How does twice in the last month even vaguely qualify as “every day”? That doesn’t even work of you’re only using “every day” as a figure of speech.

        It’s like you can’t stop lying. Even for a second.

        Incidentally, I also just checked The Pirate Bay’s stats. There are 30.8 million pirates using it. That’s up from the last time I checked it. It’ll be 31 pretty million soon. In otherwords, the slow trickle of indictments, convictions, and penalties have no effect on piracy whatsoever. Neither do the MAFIAA’s attempts to combat it. It just keeps growing without even slowing down, as always.

        “This will ratchet up “

        How is it going to ratchet up when the attempts to ratchet it up keep being defeated, you moron? And even if it is ratcheted up successfully(let’s pretend for a moment), what makes you think it’s going to do anything? We have proven time and time again that EVERY ATTEMPT TO STOP US, NO MATTER HOW FAR REACHING, DOES NOT WORK. You can’t stop hundreds of millions of people from doing ANYTHING, let alone something civil, non-violent, and victimless like filesharing.

        Piracy has become an everyday part of life. That is reality. Accept it or die.

        (The RIAA and MPAA have chosen to die and are, unsurprisingly, currently dying as a result)

      • Heynonanon

        Haha, Anon you make such funny posts. The biggest players in ‘industry’ already sided with us (the end user). Why do you think Amazon subsidises media downloads despite the wishes of ‘creators’ (which more accurately should read ‘middlemen’ – they don’t actually create, they just sell other people’s creations)? Why do you think Apple sells DRM-free music at a flat-rate fee through iTMS despite the wishes of the ‘creators’? Because doing so sells their own products, devices and services by appealing to customer-demand for such pricing structures.

        You’ve been spouting that bollocks about “This will ratchet up…pirate greed that compels it.” for ages now – and likewise you probably think rape victims deserve it ‘because of how they dress’. You’re a sick and twisted poor fool, but you still keep us laughing with your rants. Man, you’re so far out of step with reality.

  • polsenpol

    In other news : NOKIA-stock is rated JUNK !

    • Guest

      That’s not even news. From the moment a Microsoft executive stepped in as Nokia CEO, killed off all of Nokia’s phones that were selling well, but running a non-Microsoft OS, and announced that Nokia would be going all-in on Windows phones, I could have told you that Nokia was not long for this world.

      Novell lasted only 6 years after signing their agreement with Microsoft. I’ll be surprised if Nokia lasts that long. My prediction is that sooner or later, Microsoft will buy out Nokia, and the Elopocalypse was just a ploy to drive Nokia into the fire sale price range so Microsoft could pick them up on the cheap.

  • Hogspace

    It’s a shame Anders Breivik wasn’t more concerned with the Copyright lobby than the ragheads.

    • feeblemind

      hat you say is sick, but I must say I agree.

    • OhTheIrony

      That’s a lot of hate and rage coming from a racist bald pussy.

      • Hogspace

        I’d never noticed he was bald

      • Hogspace

        I’d never noticed he was bald

  • Huolestunut ja pettynyt.

    I don’t want to live in this country anymore. CIAPC has no legal status in Finland and the courts are in their pockets. Welcome to the Future of Americas Corporate Empire..

    • lattari

      I disagree. All these news from Finland have a positive aspect; the ISPs are not playing ball with CIAPC and act with in favor of pirates instead. They fought the TPB blockade all the way, and are now stonewalling legal threats. I’m proud of them and pay happily my subscription.

      The americans – which you mentioned – have instead submitted to being openly spied and disciplined by companies they pay to get a service from. Now, that’s twisted.

      • TheTapsa

        Yes. They should not be so silent about it tho. The problem here is the same as in the US that too large amount of people are just ignorant and listening to CIAPC etc. and think piracy as bad. Or at least that’s the way it is where I live and who I know. Most of them are just saying that artists lose their jobs and all that bullshit and not even trying to listen when somebody says otherwise. But if those companies would raise the issues better heard and seen maybe the sheeple would start not to sheep anymore.

        • TheTapsa

          I guess I was trying to say that they need someone with more authority to say it, since listening to other citizens is foolish and everybody questioning the government and companies are tin foil hat wearing idealists (and thus better be ignored).

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Nothing to worry about here folks coz once the Corporations and their banking backers get a hold of just how lucrative we can all be ripped-off, they’ll surely decide that the cheapest cost of a few cents per episode will be fair given the shows will be available Worldwide on-demand, yeah?

    lol

    On the other hand, this could very well be war!!
    War over who controls what media can be viewed and when.
    War over how much it’ll cost to access said said media on-demand.
    War over whether our politicians should legislate proper and decent laws that are appropriate for our 21st Century technology and expectations ffs.

    What’s your thoughts on it though?

    • Anon

      War over controlling media created by someone else? lol
      You’re an imbecile.
      Really.

      • Fredrika

        > “You’re an imbecile.”

        Is that an argument? Wouldn’t the real imbecile be someone who actually try to argue the way that you just did?

        or someone who lacks the most basic economical knowledge and haven’t got the faintest idea of how business is..

        or someone that can’t keep a creative work apart from a good or a service.

        or someone that doesn’t understand the concept of accountability.

        or someone that doesn’t understand the most fundamental basics about encryption.

        or someone that doesn’t understand global politics, but instead seriously believing that for the first time in history all nations on the planet will come together, sing Cumbaya, and require licensing for VPN’s and encryption, just to protect the profits of some weak failed US entrepreneurs(that deserve no monetary reward whatsoever according to the free market rules), despite the fact that the worlds strongest economy just threw that pathetic idea out the window.

        or someone who’s main argument is because, just like a five year old.

        or someone that believes in imaginary property, and possibly the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.

        Yup, that would be the imbecile.

        • IDIOCRACY

          By the way,… Santa Claus lives in Finland too, his office is actually in Rovaniemi.
          hehe

        • OptionalLoginBelow

          first, I’m on Rob’s side here…as for anon, he didn’t really contribute much so the comment’s dismissed for its entirely phatic value. However, there is nothing whatsoever to assume that “you’re an imbecile” is an argument (straw-man, much?). You may have a point as far as the content of your post is concerned (I am global politics imbecile myself so I wouldn’t dare to give my opinion on this one), however I know a thing or two about rhetoric that goes beyond rhetorical questions and I believe so does the average reader here. Post rating: Entertainment value: 9/10 Useful content with regards to previous post: Lemme ask Aunt Sally…

        • Fredrika

          > “However, there is nothing whatsoever to assume that “you’re an imbecile” is an argument (straw-man, much?).”

          Nor did i claim that it was, now did i? And no, i did not argue against a fabricated standpoint, so no, there’s no straw-man involved in my reply.

          > “Useful content with regards to previous post: Lemme ask Aunt Sally…”

          Useful content with regards to a one-line straw-man and a personal attack from a well known troll? I waste useful content on non-trolls, that are actually interested in debate.

          If you feel that a different approach is better to dealing with trolls that troll everyday with zero arguments and nothing but lies and logical fallacies, then please join in and make yourself useful.

        • OptionalLoginBelow

          The way you did not claim that “you’re an imbecile” is an argument I did not claim you were arguing against a fabricated standpoint (I just asked a question, hence an “?” after “much”)
          Let’s forget about the straw man for one sec tho and look at what sure looks like a tautology: “And no, i did not argue against a fabricated standpoint, so no, there’s no straw-man involved in my reply.” I’m sure we’ll find a way out of this one, linguistically…on the other hand, there are people that are pretty successful using this ingenious rhetorical device…agreed, tho, “zero arguments and nothing but lies and logical fallacies” are a the bigger problem…
          As for the different approach and making myself “useful” (that was a bit patronizing, wasn’t it?), , I wanna quote Linus (not Torvalds, but Van Pelt): “There are three things I’ve learned never to discuss with people: religion, politics, and the great pumpkin”.

      • DutchGuest

        I see you learned a new word after i called you an imbecile once.
        So at least you’re capable of learning.

        Doesn’t make you any less of an utterly retarded waste of space, but it’s nice to see there’s some progress in your throwback ways :-D

      • Guest

        @Anon

        lol
        thinks rob meant literal war
        calls him an imbecile

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  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Wrong again. If I am downloading TV episodes that I have already paid for via a cable TV membership or that are available for free online? They have already gotten their money out of me and I am doing legal time-shifting.

  • joexxx

    Any anti-extortion laws in Finland?

    • Masa

      Not a bad thoughtline at all mate =). We actually do…

  • Maik

    “CIAPC say that the Copyright Act only permits users to save content such as TV shows, movies and music locally”
    In fact the law doesn’t state in any way that only LOCAL recording is allowed. It says PERSONAL. So they really don’t have a case here. But considering previous copyright cases, this can go either way. The good thing is that CIAPC is up against some big players this time, not any average pirate.

    • MadAsASnake

      Agreed. The ISP’s are offering a service in a manner that people want and use. They won’t drop real differentiators like this because of Mafiaa blather.

      • Guest

        lol snakes are not mad creatures.. they’re actually calm for the most part

        • MadAsASnake

          Aussie idiom. I’m Kiwi… but we know it…

      • ScrewEwe2

        As a reply to your reply to Guest. I actually find myself interjecting some of the non North American English idioms of fellow TF’ers into my conversations. They seem to make more sense or be more appropriate at times. Some of the people I know at the local Pool Hall are bloody wankers or gits who are full of shite. Quite a few Shiites seem to be full of shite.

  • Mikko Rauhala

    A little correction: TVkaista actually does require the user to specifically start recording a given channel to give that user access to its programming. Note that I say “channels”, not “programs” – you just checkbox every channel in their service and you can watch everything from that moment forwards. You also need to check new channels if they appear.

    Obviously they only do this to be able to say that users actively choose what gets stored on their account, but anyway. It’s also possible they didn’t do this right from the start, I’m not sure.

    Hope they win, but the copyright law is a bitch.

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  • Anonymous

    when the hell are ISPs gonna wake up and smell the coffee? if they done get their acts together and start fighting this shit en masse, they are gonna get the blame for any and all that happens on the internet that the various entertainment industries dont like and think they can get away with suing over. for Christ’s sake act together and get the fucking issues sorted out, once and for all! go to the EUCJ and EUCHR if you have to, bur get a decision one way or the other. if it goes against you, shut down! you wont be shut for long because no country can exist or function today without the ‘net! keep sitting back or fighting singularly and you are gonna keep on losing. which ever one loses just makes a template for the next case! remember, no ISP can exist without customers and there are a hell of a lot more individuals than there are companies. start thinking about and fighting for them/us as well!!

    • Tigranspetrosian

      Your “writing” is entirely incomprehensible. Try spelling correctly, using capitalization and punctuation, and, above all, drop your insufferable Wigger lingo. You are obviously not black. God damned Wiggers giving negros a bad name, as usual.

      • When

        Are you even replying to the correct post? I only see generic English/Americanese colloquialisms, nothing ethno-culturally specific.

      • Anon

        Uh that just looks like someone typing who doesn’t speak English as their first language. You should possibly consider using your time and energy for something other than abusing people for not speaking English perfectly (nor having perfect written English).

  • Tman

    How is this any different to time shifting except that its over the net. Fucking stupid.

    • Obama

      Make no mistake, these anti piracy groups are being run by elements of Hollywood, purposely targeting ‘weaker’ nations to use as backbone for cases in more democratic nations.

  • Icepick

    OK what happens if I record something on my htpc and then run a streaming service that I only have access to. I then go to a friends and stream it from my htpc to my laptop on my friends internet connection. is that copy wrong? If not that will be the net thing because that is all these companies are offering. Instead of me streaming from my home I’m streaming from their server. There is only one copy of the recording so how can this be copy wrong? Next thing they will be going after school plays.

    • Violated0

      That is no different to if you took your DVD/BluRay player around your friend’s house along with some popular titles. I think that is usually fine as long as the people watching do not exceed five.

      • If I Bought It Then Its Mine

        Are you telling me that watching your own copy of a dvd in a room full of more than 5 people is going to be against some copywrong law? If true then this makes me want to stab someone corporate in the head with a blunt dvd box.

        • Violated0

          Outside your own home I believe so.

          If there was no limit then why not hire out some hall and then invite around all your friends and neighbours so almost 100 people can see your movie screening on your projection TV?

          The movie owners would say you need a licence to do that which then means selling tickets to recover the cost.

          I believe most countries have a limit of about 5 to 10 people.

  • Himpulat

    There are plenty of these “time-shift” operators in finland, I like this one:
    http://telkku.com/nauhuri
    Only 7,49€/mo but they will also be targetted after the ISPs are found guilty, for sure.
    Shame.

    • MadAsASnake

      Of course. How dare you even wish to watch anything outside of “what, when, where, how, and stuffed with ads” that they determined? Lets all go back to the ’30′s :)

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???

    ISPs should ban CIAPC from the internet in finland

  • Vincent Giannell

    I have a feeling the ISPs will counter-sue the Anti-Piracy group for this.

  • Violated0

    Sounds to me like they are using a VCR (Video Cloud Recorder). The Boston Strangler and the Housewife home alone returns.

    I won’t debate the legality here when that is for the Court to decide. I will instead say that the law usually creaks and groans under the strain of modern technology while such rights holders run around with their hair on fire.

    Then what is this I read… “The company’s legal adviser is charged with criminal copyright offenses and copyright fraud”. Do I read this correctly that they are actually charging a lawyer for providing advice on the law?

    I can certainly see why people would much enjoy using their VCR. The problem here according to CIAPC is that they have no control over this system and they are quite pissed when they sum up how much profit they could tap this far.

    They seem to forget that the media was already paid-for during the broadcast and these VCRs are just used to time-shift the viewing. So CIAPC are really asking people to pay for the same media twice. I don’t think they will win this one but as I said that is up to the Court to decide.

    • ScrewEwe2

      At this rate, someday the MAFIAA are going to pressure law enforcement and the courts to press charges against anyone thinking of doing anything the MAFIAA finds objectionable, or is in opposition to whatever copyright bullshit they keep coming up with.

      A Scenario: “I think I’ll watch that football game later with 15 of my best friends on Tivo. I think I’ll blow off the NFL’s warning seen late in the 4th quarter of all games that says “This copyrighted broadcast is the property of the National Football League. Any rebroadcast or reproduction without the consent of the NFL is strictly prohibited.”"

      Oh Oh, Guilty on 2 charges.

      Charge 1., allowing unregistered, non-family member viewers, to watch a pre-recorded football game, at an unaproved time, without the prior consent of the NFL, and without paying the extra “per viewer” exise fee levied against viewers that are non-family members in the household of the “entertainment service package” account holder.

      and

      Charge 2., Thinking about allowing unregistered, non-family member viewers, to watch a pre-recorded football game, at an unaproved time, without the prior consent of the NFL, and without paying the extra “per viewer” exise fee levied against viewers that are non-family members in the household of the “entertainment service package” account holder.

      (I don’t have to worry, I’m too damn cheap to pay for Tivo and I don’t have 15 friends. True friends are hard to find, and too much work to keep).

  • MISTERIOTONES

    anti piracy war will undoubtedly be lost just a matter of time until they cease to believe that they can control something like pirates and piracy will always exist .. HELL I EM of them!

  • FOWYCS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0x9HtYgVqA

    FUCK OFF WITH YOUR COPYRIGHT SHIT

  • Dondilly

    The Finnish tv companies need their heads tested.
    Ok, if the ISPs are recording shows rather than their customers uploading them to their own private space, technically, yes it may be a breach of fair use but in reality when merely talking about timeshifting free to air content, and by the isp doing it is saving storage and upload bandwidth, it shows how broken and outmoded copyright law is.

    Interesting that here in the UK, it is the free to air tv networks that are all offering online catchup services and it is the ISPs complaining about the bandwidth cost to them being generated by the broadcasters sites and been trying to get money out of them if they expect the ISPs to continue supporting the sites.. The result being that content is being cached by the ISPs (with the broadcasters blessing and or funding)

    When you contrast the situations in both countries you realise copyright is broken and content providers are never satisfied.

    • UKISPSuck

      That’s because UK ISP’s don’t have the infrastructure for high speed unlimited broadband. Virgin Media’s ‘unlimited’ service has all sorts of traffic management policies in place. BT’s Unlimited Infinity service is probably the best the UK has at the moment.

  • JordanKratz

    The MAFIAA Bullshit never Ends.I feel no sympathy for that Industry and would love to see it all explode in their Corrupt RAT FACES.

  • YenMooo

    lol these idiot anti piracy groups crack me up man

    http://www.u-anon.tk

  • MISTERIOTONES

    FUCK THEM HERE IS MY PLAY GROUND!! HTTP://WIZARDSARENA.ORG

    • Anti Anal Fabet

      Fucking spammer.

  • Who

    ENOUGH WITH THIS COPYRIGHT HORSE SHIT!!

  • Colin Carr

    “Storage services for TV shows are currently offered by around twenty companies, including major Internet service providers such as Elisa and TeliaSonera,” CIAPC explain. “None of the companies have licenses for the services. This is significant, because the issue concerns around 100 million euros worth of commercial services.”

    So, if we assume CIAPC win their case and the storage services are shut down, where do they think they are going to get their mythical 100 million Euros?…

    • Guest

      If only the MAFFIA would use this same model they could make money from it but oh no they are too backward to come forward in embracing the future so they have to shutdown something that they can’t control themselves.

    • Guest

      If only the MAFFIA would use this same model they could make money from it but oh no they are too backward to come forward in embracing the future so they have to shutdown something that they can’t control themselves.

  • KILLTHEMALL

    You know If you don’t stand up to the terrorists, keep negotiating with them and surrendering this is what you get. They take more and more until someone kill them all. We have to do what we have to do.

  • Guest

    :D

  • An unnamed individual

    The current understanding is that TVKaista is illegal, but the service provided by the ISPs is legal. The defining line here is that TVKaista records all programs, while the ISPs only record programs by per-customer request. It will be interesting to see how this will go down in the court(s). At least for once in a copyright case, both parties (the copyrights group and the ISPs) have good financial resources for a proper trial.

    The operators have very much interest in protecting their service from criminalization, because the pay-per-view service that they bundle the TV service with has pretty much replaced the need for on-demand IPTV services such as Netflix in Finland. Pay-per-view is a rapidly growing and profitable business.

  • Anon

    So does this mean that attacks on using a DVR is next as your basically doing the same thing – saving the show to watch later, just on a different medium

  • Coolio

    It’s strange because I find myself more and more on the fence with piracy, probably because it is getting more censored here lately with all the legal cases and isp snooping. I find this cloud-based storage case ridiculous, there is no reason why isp’s in Finland should be getting sued, and, as others have said, there will be huge negative consequences for the internet if copyright holders can successfully and legally de-personalize and de-privatize personal cloud storage accounts. It would be a huge step in the direction of letting them be able to fully control content and the distribution of information on the web. That day’s probably a long ways off, but these finnish isp’s do need to win a precedent-setting case, like this in order to legally ward off this sort of copyright power abuse.

    Me, I go back and forth. I really love the free sharing and availability of information and resources. I really love being able to “find anything” on the internet. I feel like there is a huge difference between what is currently being defined as copyright infringement, and what it ought to be. However, I can also see a little why rightsholders may be alarmed, especially in the areas of software development and its piracy. I think, right now, we have two sides that are black and white, pirates and rightsholders are more as divided as it can get in their ways of thinking. If possible, it would be nice if instead of these mass law suits, privacy threats, and arrests, we could take a little time and redefine the term, copyright. Make it a little more 21st century-friendly, and take into account that rightsholders do not have the “right” to withhold information from greater society, as a way to satisfy their greed. There have to be limits, but it’s also understandable that they need compensation for their products. There needs to be a roundtable discussion over definitions of copyrights and the rights of internet users to help solve this issue before it gets out of hand.

    That’s just what me thinks! :)

    • MadAsASnake

      The rightsholders are the problem here. They are persistently attempting to ram unworkable and draconian laws trough various legislatures using very underhanded techniques. The UK’s DEA is a case in question – agreed between politicians and rights holder representatives on a yacht in the Caribbean in the “wash up” period of parliament (which gets little scrutiny). There was no possibility of representation by any other interested parties. In today’s society, once somthing is in the public domain, it will be shared widely – the Internet is not even the biggest part of that issue (USB sticks, sharing from phones, MP3 players and so on is still greater). Nor is piracy black and white. It runs all the way from people that won’t pay to people that simply want to copy their own bought and paid for CD’s onto an MP3 player. On the one hand we have the rightsholders who’s veiw is more / tougher laws and are putting massive combined resources into lobbying for it. On the other side is society (a much larger group) with a broad range of veiws, little organisation and few resources to tackle the politics. The more sensible legal structure you talk about is coming, but it will be fought tooth and nail by the rightsholders. SOPA was just the beginning of the revolt. The idiocy of the situation is that if the rightsholders would simply make reasonable market offerings (of the sort you like), the whole piracy “problem” would vanish. Piracy, as currently defined, is purely a problem of market failure being perpetuated by the refusal of an encumbant monopoly to adapt to currennt technology. BTW, the Internet will win.

  • steve

    They don’t stand a chance, ISP’s have the money to lawyer up.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KBJGAUYQLIFTL7UFEXZAQPZTVQ GbsL

    I will have to take legal action against this “anti-piracy” group, since they seem to be too stupid to realize that what ISPs are doing is far safer than letting home users record TV on their DVR, because that hard drive can be taken out of the unit, then the video decoded and re-encoded, then posted online. Whereas if the ISP have control of the recording and is streamed to the user, it can’t be pirated.

    See… this is what happens when people with no more than a high school diploma start running companies lead by their fanaticism and blind devotion.

    CIAPC, giving birth to human stupidity and promoting piracy by giving homeowners control over the video files directly. Impressive.

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