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Anti-Piracy Groups Want Google to Lift DMCA Takedown Cap

Google is being criticized by copyright holders for the limits it puts on the number of “pirate” links that can be removed per day. The Hollywood -funded anti-piracy organization BREIN wants to increase the daily DMCA cap from 10,000 to 40,000 and eventually remove the restrictions altogether. The RIAA further wants the ability to do more queries to find illegal content and previously said that the current limits are “miniscule.”

google-bayThere’s an interesting battle going on between copyright holders and search giant Google.

Over the past months the number of removal requests has increased dramatically, up to a point where Google hinted that the massive number of takedowns could threaten freedom of speech.

Copyright holders on their turn say that they are simply protecting their business. They are going full steam ahead removing millions of links per week and pushing Google to the limits, quite literally.

As it turns out, Google is throttling the number of daily takedown requests to 10,000 URLs per copyright holder per day. Since some copyright holders are reaching this limit they want Google to lift the cap.

Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN, which represent a variety of media companies, says it is optimistic that Google will soon allow more URLs to be reported.

“We expect to go to a limit of 40,000 URLs per day soon, and eventually we hope to be able to report URLs without any limitations,” BREIN’s director Kim Kuik told Nu.nl.

However, thus far Google hasn’t changed anything and in a response the company defended its policy. Google says it can’t ‘simply’ increase the limits as this may lead to technical problems.

The daily limits are put in place “in order to prevent the system from having to deal with unexpected peaks, which can cause technical problems,” Google spokesman Mark Jansen said in a comment.

BREIN are not alone in their calls for more freedom to censor Google’s index. Their stance is corroborated by other anti-piracy groups including the RIAA.

The RIAA told TorrentFreak that it wants Google to do more, and pointed to critique the record labels gave previously. The RIAA said that with the present limits it can’t successfully defend its rights.

“Google has the resources to allow take downs that would more meaningfully address the piracy problem it recognizes, given that it likely indexes hundreds of millions of links per day. Yet this limitation remains despite requests to remove it,” RIAA noted.

In addition to unthrottling the URL limits, RIAA also says it wants to lift the cap on the number of queries they can execute per day to find infringing content.

“Google places artificial limits on the number of queries that can be made by a copyright owner to identify infringements.”

“The number of queries they allow is miniscule, especially when you consider that Google handles more than 3 billion searches per day. Yet Google has denied requests to remove this barrier to finding the infringements,” RIAA said.

Without these extra powers the copyright holders fear that they are unable to keep up with the hundreds of thousands of infringing links that are added to Google every day.

That said, it is worth nothing that despite BREIN’s calls to lift the 10,000 URL per day limit, the current submission don’t come close to the cap. The group is currently sending less than 5,000 URLs per day on average according to Google’s Transparency Report.

One thing’s for sure, this won’t be the last thing we hear about Google’s takedown policy. Aside from exercising their rights, copyright holders have found that it’s a good way to pressure Google to do more about piracy.

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  • Guest

    Meanwhile they don’t want to pay for each DMCA takedown…

    Google is one of the evil-Internet-gatekeepers.

    • Guest

      No, they are one of the pro-open-keepers of the Internet.

      FTFY.

      • Guest

        what is FTFY?

        • teenygozer

          Fixed That For You. You can google queries for simple questions like that, you know. ;)

        • TRAX

          Will be completely game over for them,
          if Google keeps saying “yes, Master”.

      • asashii

        Sarcasm, go on and look that up, rinse and repeat!

        • Guest

          What? He didn’t have any sarcasm tags attached to his post?

      • Name

        Pro-open, but when it comes to taking down millions of links, they have no problems with it. Google isn’t that honourable either.

        • Christopher Kidwell

          Well, they really have no choice according to the DMCA. Google is doing what the law states that they have to do to keep their ‘safe harbor’ protections.

          The problem is that they are being flooded with mainly computer generated takedowns that are inaccurate.

  • ken147

    How about no.

  • Guest

    Lesson to learn: don’t bend to any type of MAFIAA.

    • xenu

      Yes. These people will never be satisfied so long as a free and open Internet exists. Cede nothing, ever, because they’ll always come back for more before long.

      • lll

        Without these extra powers the copyright holders fear that they are
        unable to keep up with the hundreds of thousands of infringing links
        that are added to Google every day.

        That said, it is worth nothing that despite BREIN’s calls to lift the
        10,000 URL per day limit, the current submission don’t come close to
        the cap. The group is currently sending less than 5,000 URLs per day on average according to Google’s Transparency Report.”

        translation short version:

        We just want more power, and are stating a false reason to get it(have we ever been honest, look at history) mafiaa

    • http://twitter.com/XavierLuis6 XavierLuis

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      • Typhoid Mary

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      • Typhoid Mary

        Your wasting your time.

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        spamming twat.

        • lll

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        • Guest

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    • thisguy1337

      I think before we move forward with ANY of BREIN or the RIAA’s demands. We get some more serious consequences for sending false notices, before increasing the cap. There is no point in devoting more resources when it is just going to be eaten up with garbage and false notices. Where is the consequence for the wasted time and resources. It’s ironic the the anti-piracy groups think everything should be given to them freely.

    • Anon33

      Give an inch and they’ll take a yard

      We really need to find a way to get rid of the DMCA law.

      • boral

        Request TPB to launch a search engine like google. I think this is a good way to stop DMCA.

    • One-Eyed Willie

      Say sure we will do it but we are going to bill you for it. That with be $175,000 usd per take down request. We have to pay our workers and we have to eat lol you fuckers!

      • Guest

        Except that the DMCA says that there is to be no fee applicable to DMCA takedown requests, its stark raving mad, but that’s the USA for you!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MO62IUK3MLH6RGLAGY4PRSH2UY Cordelia

      Lesson to learn:

      DON’T USE GOOGLE

      There are many good alternatives.

      • guest

        I’ve already noticed the overall quality of google changing. And not for the better. I’m using other methods of finding shit I need. And google will soon censor themselves out of the search market in good time if they keep it up.

        • 7th_Guest

          It’s called “pulling a Rapidshare” and it doesn’t end too well for the self-righteously self-censored either.

    • nonamthanks

      Why? DMCA has no provision for capping, no provision for a company to say “we will only remove X number of links each day, no matter what”. Each item is an individual DMCA case, and must be addressed under the law of it’s own accord.

      A limit or cap goes against the concept, and Google being a US company, they must follow the law.

      • SCP-914

        DMCA might not, but there are limits to what one company can do. Google isn’t omnipotent. They can only do so much at a time, and making sure that the accusations are authentic should be part of the take down process. If they whine about it taking too long, they should be accused of fraud.

        • nonamthanks

          How much profit does Google make? They can afford to make much more of an effort without hurting their bottom line in any notable way.

        • Just watching

          How much profit does Google make?

          That has got to be the most ignorant statement I’ve ever read. What right does any corporation have to draw upon another corporation’s profits just to increase their own?

          Under that premise Google should just write a check for each takedown request and send it directly to the complainant.

          Would you be willing to take your paycheck and hire people to do my work for me? That way I can keep my money while you pay my costs. Sounds fair to me (under your hypothesis)!

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          I think “bobmail” is back under a new shiny nick now that the old one’s taken too many blows in the credibility.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          I like your old name for him better, “Baghdad Bob”. It links bobmail to his previous alias as well, and ensures nobody ever mistakes these names for new individuals.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Would that be anywhere near how much the copyright church makes and can afford to lose…except they aren’t even losing any money.

          Double standards aside, Google’s expenses are REAL, not imagined. And it doesn’t matter how much money google has. Eventually, the DMCA notices will cost more than the core business makes.

          Because those DMCA notices are growing in number quite fast with no sign of stopping, or hadn’t you noticed?

          Now at a certain point if I were google I’d simply skip trying to index from a central point at all. I’d take one of the existing open-source indexers, tweak it a bit, then release it in the wild. Presto. Now google no longer does the indexing, and good luck sending DMCA’s to the cloud.

          Of course that means Google’s ability to track takes a hit, but honestly, there are ways around that.

          And since Google under the DMCA has to spend ever increasing amount of effort and money in order to continually accomodate every rightsholder with an attitude, it’s a given they’ll have to do something.

          That something may be the solution outlined above. Or it might mean investing a few billion dollars into lobbying to make the problem – the DMCA – go away.
          Or it might mean having to move google’s main office out of the US and away from the DMCA completely.

          One thing google will not do however, is to allow a greedy sect of fundamentalists to wreck their entire business model without a fight of some sort.

        • SCP-914

          The problem isn’t about money, but technology, man power, and human (and technological) error. There is no such thing as perfect technology because the people behind the machines are only human and capable of making mistakes. Yes, they can hire more people, but they too can make mistkes. I’m pretty sure I misspelled something in this post, which proves my point.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “Why? DMCA has no provision for capping, no provision for a company to say “we will only remove X number of links each day, no matter what”.”

        Google gave the reason why. It risks breaking their indexing.

        Now, for anyone who understands the tech, it’s sort of obvious that right now we are risking the integrity and functionality of the internet because some people don’t like that the searches are accurate.

        For anyone who thinks one step further though, attempts like these made by the copyright church is what will drive the ordinary internet underground. Because under the DMCA, logically concluded, Google can not even exist. At the end they spend more time removing index results than they do indexing and that will be the end of any business model available for internet indexing.

        Which brings us to the alternatives. Decentralized p2p indexing for one. Consumer-driven, with every core function of the internet, from domain name space to indexing covered by decentralized engines.
        Welcome to the darknet which is the only place you can be sure the internet actually will work in the future.

        As a footnote the one thing which will have trouble working in that place is the legal alternative.

        And that’s just one of the reasons why the DMCA is insane to start with. In real effect it’s an attempt to keep people from communicating in certain ways. We know from ample experimentation in times past that just doesn’t work.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Which brings us to the alternatives. Decentralized p2p indexing for one.

          decentralized p2p everything! wave of the future. Have you heard of bitmessage? stumbled across it on reddit. It’s email for bittorrent, in essence. without having to go through DHT, either, making it entirely fully decentralized. it’s encrypted, and once up and operational I see great benefits to the technology.

          Let’s just jump off this world wide web entirely and just decentralize all the things.

  • Christopher Kidwell

    These guys are getting more and more outrageous as time goes on. Even with ‘just’ 10K links per day, it’s hard to near impossible to do the proper research on them to show that they are infringing or not.

    • Who

      that’s just it. they don’t really care if it is a infringing link or not they just want total control over the web.

      • Who

        I also forgot to add that its a good chance that by buying out the US ISP’s *IF they are in the proses of doing this* that they might be thinking they will be able to control what happens to the US internet. then eventually take over the rest of the web.

      • lll

        just as they did back in 2002-2003 with the removal of the real internet, child m0del sites (see history) they were most trafficked sites on internet, and literally there was not a place on internet that did not house cp

        as history shows, they repeat the takedown, except they did not have resistance then, like they do now

        • highboi

          Child model site? Don’t judge me but u just did a google search, how is that NOT child porn? There’s a little 4-5 year old spreading her legs, nude or not that’s child porn to me.

        • Who

          it might seem like porn to you but way word of what the law says it is not. as long as they have some kind of clothing on it legit. as a matter of FACT child porn is legal in some countries. and I think that there are still some child modeling sites still up. also as a matter of FACT, you tube hosts some of that content. but as usual most people now a-days don’t give a rats ass about it. I mean just look @ how young moms dress there little girls now a-days. its nuts and when I see it Im like WTF.

        • lll

          yes what happened is that the govt attacked the legal nude child model sites with ls studio being the flagship and raided them, no one was ever prosecuted in that raid but it was shut down then they went after other sites, so the ppl said they can move to clothed model sites till they removed tons of these, with godaddy being biggest worst offender, no hearing or nothing ad removed 1800-2300 in 1 hour deleted them.
          The ppl often had just uploaded the content and godaddy and others removed it not having a backup. Large sets were lost. See “the rise and fall of child modeling”

          After this the ppl said well we try older prorn as its less likely to be removed. All went faster and spread, ppl not standing up for their rights like we have now with tpb, although i do not agree with them removing the child model sites without providing a backup.

        • Christopher Kidwell

          Not really lost, there are TOR-based websites with the non-nude pictures. However, some smaller websites the sets were definitely lost.

        • Christopher Kidwell

          Doesn’t really matter if it is ‘child porn’ (which should be legal in my opinion) or not, highboi.

          The fact is that pedosexuality is the new homosexuality, a boogie man to bash upon to direct people’s attention away from the misdeeds of government and corporations.

        • Ardvaark

          Jesus fucking christ are you fucking serious??

          Go see a shrink. You’ve got issues.

          It’s not something to bash on for the sake of bashing. It’s something that’s morally & ethically wrong. Kids don’t have the mental “strength” to understand and engage in sexual activities no matter how you put it and their judgment is easily shaped to even “fake” consent.

          And it’s not misdirecting any attention, it’s a serious issue as much as the misdeeds of governments and corporations and of the MAFIAA cartels as well.

        • Who

          that’s cause adult porn sites were and still are @ large so they figured that they could do the same with kids and YEP it sure as hell worked. so it really wasn’t about if it was wrong or not is was about MONEY. they were running the child sites legally @ 1st but then they figured that they could make more with porn on the older kids and yep that worked to. till they were turned over to the authority’s.

          but the differences between child porn and copyright infringement is BIG. child porn is illegal period but there is legal ways to share copyrighted works. and TPB is with in its boundaries. just like most of us are, BUT that’s Y the entertainment industries are pissed.

    • Guest321

      That’s exactly what they want. They know that if they can report even more links per day it will be humanly impossible for any company on Earth to verify each and every link. This way they can abuse the DMCA even more and take down non-infringing links too. Great way to eliminate competition and censor the Internet while they are at it.

      • SCP-914

        I wonder if people are going to turn the table on them and file phony DMCA take down requests against them or possibly file some against the location where you can request such a takedown. The system is open to abuse, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens.

        • ItsTheSasquatch

          Given the state of the nation’s legal system (justice for the highest bidder), anyone trying to do so would probably be punished quite harshly (unless they can donate a sufficient sum to the right people’s political campaigns).

        • SCP-914

          Yeah, but couldn’t trolls target political figures, too? Maybe a good dose of trolling would be a wake call for copyrighters and CONgressmen. With any luck, if they get trolled with it long enough, they might decide they need to get rid of the troll’s new favorite toy and end the take down system. Also, even if they have an ip address, I’m not sure it would them any good since people can spoof those things if they know how.

        • SCP-914

          Yeah, but couldn’t trolls target political figures, too? Maybe a good
          dose of trolling would be a wake call for copyrighters and CONgressmen.
          With any luck, if they get trolled with it long enough, they might
          decide they need to get rid of the troll’s new favorite toy and end the
          take down system. Also, even if they have an ip address, I’m not sure it
          would them any good since people can spoof those things if they know
          how.

          If this shows up extra times, it’s because of an unstable internet connection.

  • Evropi

    Just to think they are already reaching the cap of 10,000. Per DAY! Per a SINGLE copyright holder!

    This is just censorship. But not government imposed. Worse.

    Copyright crusaders. Guys who really believe in what they’re doing, who won’t bow down to popular opposition. Scum that slap SLAPP lawsuits all over the place. If Google goes ahead with this, it will be a sad day for the world wide web.

    We can only hope it doesn’t, and thankfully Google has a good track record of opposing such moves, like in mainland China.

    • Guest

      >and thankfully Google has a good track record of opposing such moves

      Which is why it’s removing millions and millions of links in very short periods of time? Please, Google isn’t the good guy here either.

      • Andrew me

        Google is not doing anything wrong, dmca’s should be going to the sites not to Google to take those sites down, or of the search engines results.
        I for one think this is going to blow up in the monopolists faces, if a judge had to see this they would be making sure Google was compensated for their effort.

    • boniek

      How it is not government imposed? Government enforces IP laws that are
      used as excuse and reason to censor google. If google didn’t have to
      fear government law it could simply ignore those requests.

    • lll

      did u read: see below

      despite BREIN’s calls to lift the 10,000 URL per day limit, The group is currently sending less than 5,000 URLs per day on average according to Google’s Transparency Report.

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  • http://twitter.com/The_T113 The T

    How about not wasting your 10,000 a day on false positives and attempts to censor your own sites (HBO.com); that would sure increase the number of extra slots you have each day…

  • Anyone

    if they want a higher limit they can pay for it

    or simply adapt to the 21st century

  • Guest

    Why don’t the Copyright Holders just sue Google once and for all for not doing enough of what they want Google to do. Maybe they fear suing Google for fear that they will loose their case against Google.

    • Anyone

      they sued youtube (basically google, but it was mostly about their pre-google days) and lost

      so I doubt they will sue anytime soon again

      • Guest

        I agree. Google should have the balls to say to these muppets that if they don’t think its good enough then sue but Google hasn’t got the balls to do so.

        • Guest

          Google is about money, if they weren’t they wouldn’t bend over.

    • nonamthanks

      They may get around to suing Google, or perhaps putting a case together with the FTC in the US, stating that Google doesn’t follow the DMCA law, and is attempting to limit their liability under the law without providing enough staffing to handle the issues.

      It would be incredibly hard for Google to justify limiting (in violation of the DMCA law) the number of complaints they can handle, considering their profitability.

      Google may find it in their best interest in the long run to start to blacklist entire domains, or for that matter to stop indexing certain types of sites to avoid the issue and to limit their costs. Having ites that consistently come up in DMCA complaints no longer appear in results would certainly lower the number of complaints Google had to face.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “Google may find it in their best interest in the long run to start to blacklist entire domains”

        And welcome back, bobmail, you utter idiot.

        To begin with, if Google does as you say, google dies as a company. Overnight. Because what happens is that a search provider not located in the US or under US law then moves in and fills the vaccum. The same way Google took over from Yahoo, Netscape, Excite, AltaVista…

        Secondly, how the fuck would google “blacklist entire domains”? Good luck when the de-index list impacts facebook, newspapers, or national domains.

        I would have thought by now even the most avowed fanatics of the first church of copyright would have learned just how futile tampering with domain names is. Remember what happens?

        “…or for that matter to stop indexing certain types of sites to avoid the issue and to limit their costs.”

        And once again, here we have the suggestion of shutting down the internet, quite similar to how bobmail’s previous incarnation issued a call on a ban on “filesharing protocols”, not realizing what he just proposed.

        Well, in this case what he suggests is that Google voluntarily shuts down and someone like Baidu takes over after which the only thing you won’t find easily on the net will be criticism of the chinese government.

        “Having ites that consistently come up in DMCA complaints…”

        You mean like Google permanently blacklisting HBO since HBO regularly sends takedowns for that site? IMDB vanishes from googles lists, as does Amazon.com?

        Dude, wtf…the more I read, the less sense you make.

        May I call you Baghdad Bob?

        Or are you going to drop the crack pipe and try to start making sense?

  • Jerky_san

    They should lift the cap but say they are filling perjury claims for every DMCA notice that is unlawful and that they will prosecuted to the full extent of the law

    • Guest

      Nah, just “administration fees” for taking the effort to take down stuff.

  • SCP-682

    Google is not some kind of super powerful force. The sooner they realize it, the sooner they can understand part of the reasons why the limits are in place. Another part is to prevent abuse of the system by random jerks.

  • dlovin123

    These automated bots they use to find these links are not even accurate. We have all read the stories about legitimate Work being removed with no punishment for bogus requests.

    getting tured of this guilty until priven innocent crap.

  • Guest321

    Holy cow 10k links per day per copyright holder is not enough? They might as well takedown the entire Internet. The limit should be not more than 100 per day, Google is way too generous.

    I wonder when Google will learn that they can never please these parasites. They won’t stop until they have crippled Google’s search index to a point of uselessness. At some point Google must think of protecting its own business.

    • Just watching

      The term insatiable always comes to mind when discussing the MAFIAA.

    • Andrew me

      Maybe Google should just buy them all, with help from the likes of Amazon and Microsoft and Apple and other large internet dependent businesses, they could buy Hollywood and destroy it in one fell swoop. And they would not even feel the pain, as they have more than enough money to close them all down once and for all.

      Actually they don’t have to destroy them they could use the lobbyists that Hollywood use at the moment to totally destroy copyright laws and change it to a system that is fair and free.

      • Guest321

        Google could buy out Hollywood and distribute movies for free by following a Youtube like model. Google is a fine example of how businesses can rake in the billions despite all their products being free to the end user.

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  • trudat

    The want more take down requests but 90% of the current requests are for legal content.

  • anonymous

    if the limits atm are miniscule, why dont the RIAA/BREIN or the other entertainment industry lackeys try it, at their own expense? it has been shown time and time again that these industries cant do the job themselves but still say how easy it is. they have been called out time and time again to show how easy it is to sort this mess out, but they cant do it. they never have paid anyone to do this work for them, wanting it all done for free and not giving a toss for the collateral damage, as long as they get their stuff taken down. the other businesses that are shut/removed/persecuted for false take downs or no reason at all, dont matter to them. with no protection in place to rectify and compensate for loss of business caused by false dmca take downs, the internet will consist of nothing other than a few sites that are owned by, controlled by and everyone be directed to, the useless heaps of shit of sites that these fucking morons have managed to produce so far. i sincerely hope that Google starts to realise what the hell is going on here. they have bent over countless times to try to cater for what the entertainment industries demand and every time, within a few short weeks, those industries are back with even more, even more outrageous demands. it’s about time Google stood up and fought for what the internet is, an open exchange of information, regardless of what it may be. it is definitely not a platform for the entertainment industries alone, or for their single, single purpose use! if there were a choice between losing the internet and losing the entertainment industries, even those that are being bribed with huge sums of money to protect those industries, would tell them to fuck off! losing the entertainment industries because of their own short sightedness and stupidity would be a shame, but tolerable. losing the internet would be an absolute freakin disaster!!! wake up Google before you lose your very ability to be in existence!!

    • Boring Phil

      And then all we have to worry about is Google itself, which is a far bigger worry than the death throes of a few obsolete ‘entertainment’ corporations.

      • Guest

        No, Facebook is the biggest worry, with their facial recognition and all, Google pales in comparison, but once we rid the world of Fakebook then yeah we would need to refocus on Google then.

  • Guest

    Lift the cap? What, so they can let their bots run wild and let them sue themselves? Hell no; that’s a horrible waste of anyone’s time and resources.

  • Boring Phil

    TFers might be interested in seeing the feature-length documentary that was on BBC4 last night, ‘Google and the World Brain’, about all the copyright hoo-ha surrounding the Google Books mass-scanning project.

    I found it pretty interesting for its depiction of a clash between the old and new information/gatekeeper paradigms.

    For those who can’t access BBC iPlayer, I’m sure it’ll become available through other means shortly…

  • Guest

    Maybe if they offered to help pay google for extra servers, to help process all these take downs. Oh wait, they want it done for free. They think everyone else should pay but not them. Sounds a bit like a pirate’s kind of thinking. Maybe we aint all that different after all

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  • Ilia Larin

    Stupid Google, making itself irrelevant by bending over like a good little slut

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      And that’s just it. Google, by choosing to tamper with their index, are now no longer the best search provider.

      And indeed, once they lose that status, a competitor, well armed against the DMCA by not being in the US to start with, has an open playing field and no competition.

  • hedgehog

    why don’t they just ban http://*/*

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      bobmail already suggested that. Go find the little post where he pompously cries out the solution – to ban all filesharing-friendly protocols…

      Then we informed him what that meant and he got all butthurt because no one recognized his genius.

  • MrJoe

    “… more freedom to censor” — really? at certain point it’s just better to shutdown the internet. yeah.

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  • PapaNewbSmurf

    People use Google to find pirated stuff? lol.

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  • boral

    When will these copyright holders realize that it is impossible to stop piracy ?

    Even if google lifts the cap and more links are removed per day, should then be piracy be stopped completely ? There are a lot of other search engines and people will bend to them.

    And I think TPB now should a search engine for the whole web ( not only for their site only ). It will be famous then google in no time.

    • boral

      Sorry about the last line. There is a typing mistake. I wanted to write:

      And I think TPB now should start a search engine for the whole web ( not only
      for their site ). It will be famous then google in no time.

      • Guest321

        Still couldn’t get it right lol.

  • boral

    Google should make a policy. Allow 10,000 links removal requests per day for free and charge some money ( say $ 0.01 ) per link after 10,000.

    Or charge some money for each link to be removed. Then I think, the copyright holders will stop shouting a little bit.

    • http://twitter.com/parkour86 Myles

      I was thinking the same thing. If the copyright holders want the links removed they should have to pay.

    • nonamthanks

      You cannot charge for accepting a legal notice.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        No, you can only prove it was sent in bad faith.

        Or you can challenge the law, upping the ante by investing money into lobbying instead of using it to fend of DMCA notices.

  • JordanKratz

    Fuck Off MAFIAA Assholes ! Many more of us will join the International Boycott Against MAFIAA Industries ! I will never pay for your krap nor will I even care what you are coming out with next.
    I Am So Over You !
    Support and Buy and Help your Local Artist and do the same for the International Non-MAFIAA Art.
    If it is MAFIAA it stinks like Dog Poop.
    Oh, and Google please stop bending over like a good little slut.Stand up to the MAFIAA.

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  • SCP-914

    Now that I think about it, maybe if a system were in place to make companies more careful about take down requests were in place, they wouldn’t be trying to take down whatever tickles their fancy. I would suggest a 3 strike program with each fake take down resulting in a strike. Should they get three strikes, they will lose their rights to request take downs and all previous take down requests get revoke, resulting in results that were pulled to pop back up again. Harsh, but if they knew it could all be undone by abusing the system, maybe they would think twice before doing it.

    • Christopher Kidwell

      Would never get past the legislators, who would say that is too harsh a punishment for too few (corporate) offenses.

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  • Gee

    Im all in for raising the limit, ONLY as long as there are repercussions’ for sending false takedown notices. Otherwise you will just start seeing them sending notices for every single site that doesn’t sell MAFIAA content, whether or not its a pirate site

  • H4RK

    Its interesting to see that the MAFIAA are setting up Google to ‘fail’ on taking down URLs as I think they are getting a major lawsuit ready and they need the ‘excuses’. I wouldn’t doubt that they believe that Google is the biggest pirate of them all.

    • nonamthanks

      See my comment above. I don’t think lawsuit, I think FTC action, maybe with a collection of state AGs to really make it fun.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Well, that means future indexing belongs to the darknet. Or possibly baidu.

        Honestly, when China is the only place you can run a business in the practice of information searching you know the world has gone mad.

        That or there is some truth in what the chinese said in the 18th century – that the western powers were barbarian states with great power during their mayfly existence.

  • some_guy

    The world has reached a state where search engines and payment processors act as the internet police and pr0n producers like AdultKing have become preachers of morality; I don’t see such a bright future to this except global internet censorship worse than what is being carried out in countries like China or Iran.
    Google’s new plan:
    http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30511-google-hatching-deal-with-credit-card-companies

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  • sharms

    How can you stay in business with so many take-down requests. The internet will eventually break down. So many resources are required for policing.

  • http://twitter.com/parkour86 Myles

    There is no way for them to takedown every URL. Over 1000 new ones are added every hour.

  • silversurfer

    so what is stopping brein/riaa from building there own search engine ?
    ow yea thay would not have anything to search on as it would be blocked

    • Guest

      so what is stopping brein/riaa from building there own search engine ?

      The fact that there is even one other search engine left to compete with theirs.

      • mynameishare

        Duckduckgo and yahoo-bing

  • Asashii

    people still use google to search for things, sheeple will one day figure it all out!

    • Guest

      I been using it less and less.

  • ItsTheSasquatch

    Watching the MaFIAA try to stop piracy is like watching a fly repeatedly bash its face against a window, seemingly forgetting the previous attempt’s failure each time. Except this fly is disgustingly rich and will repeatedly try to purchase anti-window legislation.

    The harder you push, the more the people will resist. You can’t win, and you’re damaging all of society with all the ridiculous laws you’re buying; do the honorable thing and give up, apologize, donate your fortunes to charity, and kill yourselves.

  • xpmule

    Only if they can prove their accuracy.. as it stands now its pathetic

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  • xpmule

    Has Google grown some balls yet ?
    no ?
    what a pity .. i wonder how much they will take until they fight back ?

    no sympathy for cowards that won’t stand up and defend themselves..
    Fuck Google !

    Either they stand up and fight with me or they are against me.

    They better think carefully who’s team they wanna side with.
    copyright trolls or millions of file sharers ?
    If they side with the trolls they will have a mass exodus of all their product and services big time !

    • joexxx

      Their balls are in their stock which broke $800 recently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

    maybe if RIAA notices that their bots are reporting legitimate links, they would have more capacity to report links.

  • frozar

    BREIN,,, typical Dutch internet tough guy assholes

  • yup

    If I had the power at google I’d deny service to everyone in sign of protest of the constant bullying from ‘copyright’ trolls.

    Worked for SOPA, why wouldn’t it work for this bullshit internet wide censuring.

  • billadoid

    Freedom of speech, lol.
    You don’t know jack! Pirate content is pirate content, buttheart for twillight and justin bieber? FY!

    We can swear at Obama without any conciquences and you cry for the lack of freedom?

    I dislike google, I hope they hire more people to do what needs to be done.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Just one more moron who thinks the rest of the world owes him money in order to ensure he can run a business.

      This ends in one of two ways.

      1) Google gets tired of the poking, wakes up, and removes the current entertainment industry from existence by drowning them in lawyers and lobbyists for the next ten years.

      2) Google does nothing and dies as the market opens wide and the next search provider, immune to the DMCA, moves in for the kill. The same way Google put paid to Yahoo and netscape.

      You dislike Google?

      Then let me be the first to tell you Google’s successor will take pains to ensure they are based in a country which will never have to take notice of DMCA’s. And they will not give a shit about what is indexed or not.

      Worse case for you, the new trend becomes decentralized indexing, at which point no one has any control any longer, over anything at all.

      • Alex

        Just another one moron who thinks he can download other people’s work for free.

        • joexxx

          You can’t download other people’s work. You can only download a copy.

  • Smelly Nelly

    Easy Fix:: Don”t use Google.

  • joexxx

    Google doesn’t hold any copyrighted information in their search engine. DMCA doesn’t apply. Safe harbor doesn’t apply since they’re not acting as an ISP.

    • 2thFifth

      Too late, they have agreed to make that.

  • mynameishare

    The asshole’s name is Tim Kuik not Kim Kuik

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000040310519 Zj Sfc Cally

    hollywood always buy their way into things, we (Freedom Seekers) need to beat them, where there’s a will there’s a way

  • SenkVenk

    That makes a whole lot of sense dude. I mean like seriously.

    TotalAnon.da.bz

  • xxploit

    In my opinion google should change their approach. All requests should be carefully processed by an intelligent human being.

    Downside is that the person might get about 1 of them done in say 2-10 minutes? I’m sure none of us will mind if it takes ages for the DMCAs to be processed. Heck I’ll do it for them for free in my spare time, as long as nobody else is allowed to process them.

  • highboi

    Readers of torrent freak, I have an idea, why don’t we all spam the take down requests with legitimate links until they make a change, everyone here complains about it but don’t actually do anything, do you expect it to happen magically?, sure you boycott them but out of everyone you know, maybe 1-2 people boycott as well but to make a change on a huge scale we need to pulltogethers all pirates alike and make a move remind them who’s really in charge,

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “…why don’t we all spam the take down requests with legitimate links until they make a change…”

      Hardly necessary. Google’s published the rtequests they receive. microsoft asks for microsoft.com to be taken down – all the damn time. HBO asks for a de-listing of HBO, and their IMDB pages – all the time.

      Warner asks for warner.com to be removed – all the damn time.

      With so much flak thrown by copyright holders, often AT THEMSELVES, what are we supposed to add? You can’t caricature a clown and you can not spoof what was fraud and fuckups to begin with.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        I think from the start they should have treated every takedown request with the same consideration as any other, and assumed all were valid. It’s not Google’s responsiblity to vet the requests, but merely to act as a conduit. This is how you break the DMCA until it’s ignored, by taking down microsoft.com at MS’s request.

        The fact that they filtered the results all these years indicates that Google saw some validity to the act, in which case I guess it’s on them for the current state that they’re in now.

        I realize that taking down valid websites may have negatively affected their business model when people stopped using google because they didn’t know of imdb.com, or whatever, but unfortunately this is the effect the DMCA has on legitimate business, in its entirety. So we can’t have our cake and eat it too. As long as we have bad laws like this that we are forced to work with, the end result is damage to legitimate business. So if we’re not going to get rid of bad laws, and we’re not going to use the bad laws until someone decides it ~has~ to be gotten rid of, then the only alternate solution is to grab your ankles and try to relax. Which is where Google is right now.

  • austinhamman

    “Google has the resources to allow take downs that would more
    meaningfully address the piracy problem it recognizes, given that it
    likely indexes hundreds of millions of links per day.”
    yes and they are using those resource to /INDEX LINKS/ you know, the thing that they DO, the thing they are known for and the source of their revenue(indirectly) the thing they arent going to FUCKING STOP DOING SO YOU CAN POLICE THE FUCKING INTERNET
    GOD these people piss me off!
    google have you learned yet? charge them, no one will hold it against you, make it cost them, they will bitch and whine and moan about “oh google is in favour of piracy because they won’t give us unlimited absolute control of every aspect of their company and dare to charge us for the work we are asking them to do” but let them. let em bitch, let em moan, ain’t shit they can do

  • Benjamin Eugene NElson

    It must work the way we want it too.. what are you some sort of search geniuses?

    Oh wait, they are… :P

  • Anon

    Google is blocked here… for GOOD!

    Their IP ranges:

    ******

    74.125.0.0/16 (Google)
    64.233.160.0/19 (Google)
    216.239.32.0/19 (Google)
    209.85.128.0/17 (Google)
    216.33.229.160/29 (Savvis + GoogleBot)
    64.68.88.0/21 (GoogleBot)
    8.8.8.0/24 (Google DNS)
    70.32.128.0/19 (Google, Doubleclick)
    173.194.0.0/16 (Google)
    64.68.80.0/21 (Google)
    66.102.0.0/20 (Google)
    108.177.0.0/17 (Google)
    66.249.64.0/19 (Google)
    72.14.192.0/18 (Google)
    192.178.0.0/15 (Google)
    198.108.100.192/28 (Google)
    216.33.229.144/29 (Google)
    209.185.108.128/25 (Google)
    216.109.75.80/28 (Google)
    64.68.64.64/26 (Google)
    64.41.221.192/28 (Google)
    142.250.0.0/15 (Google)
    207.223.160.0/20 (Google)
    108.170.192.0/18 (Google)
    216.58.192.0/19 (Google)
    172.217.0.0/16 (Google)
    199.87.241.32/27 (Google)
    70.90.219.48/29 (Google/Comcast)
    70.90.219.72/29 (Google/Comcast)

    **********

    I
    have blocked them for good and I use Firefox + Ghostery + Noscript +
    Bing as my search engine. In case I really want something and there is
    no way to get without accessing the Google network, I will lift the BAN
    for a few minutes. Otherwise, so long, suckers.

    The
    only thing Google has it that have my full attention is Google Street
    View and some Youtube videos. But I won’t spend my time watching videos,
    that’s obvious.

    • Guest321

      LOL blocking Google and using Bing instead. Hilarious!

      • Anon

        Bing is just a copy of Google. And I rather use Microsoft than Google for my searches unless I really can’t find what I am looking for, and that’s really rare. If that happens I can use a proxy to access Google.

        • Guest321

          Great. That means you still use Google. That means you do need them and yet you decided to block them. You might think you are making a statement but the only person affected here is you. You are crippling the internet for yourself. Who is the loser here? It’s like how some users use the “Ignore user” function on IMDB excessively and then complain how some threads don’t make sense because they are unable to see the posts of users they have blocked.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

      so you are banning google until you need it. thats some boycott…

  • INDIAN_MAFIA

    My girlfriend’s name is RIA……I pronounce it as RIAA…….and I F_CK her EVERYDAY…….LLTPB

  • SCP-914

    You know, maybe having companies provide a series of checksums for what they are claiming to be infringing would be an ideal solution. If they truly have rights to something, they should be able to provide checksums to verify the content. If they can’t provide them, no request will be granted.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Makes too much sense. Is too technological for the copyright church to understand.

      And wouldn’t work since you’d need to add a checksum for each and every possible rip of “your” work you wanted de-listed.

  • FudgeBaker

    People will soon stop using google all together….what will happen then?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Same thing as what happened when google beat Yahoo.

      My bet is the next search provider is based in a nation which doesn’t care about DMCA’s, has none of google’s moral qualities, and no restraints whatsoever in how to deal with uppity copyright fanatics.

      Say hello to baidu, in other words.

  • Ophelia Millais

    It was only pretty recently that Google even started accepting electronic submissions of DMCA takedown requests. They were accepting fax and snail mail only before, and they still accept those methods, as far as I know…with no limitations, and about a 10-day turnaround time. So I think it’s a bit disingenuous for these organizations to pretend like they can’t submit as many requests as they want. They certainly can submit as many as they need to. Some of them just have to be sent by fax or postal service, is all.

  • observer

    google doesn’t find shit these days, no matter what you search for. you’ll want to use a spam-free version of it, like blekko for good results like those google had around ’98 – but the web was a very different (and smaller) place back then..

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ミッコ

    take away the cap and do not control what they want to remove even if it’s their own websites from the search index

  • Andrew Lee

    No limits would be far too easy to abuse.

    You could insert a few key links in your list to remove shit because you don’t like it or you’ve been paid to remove. They already fuck up enough as it is..

  • braser

    “The RIAA further wants the ability to do more queries to find illegal content and previously said that the current limits are “miniscule.”

    Wait, im confused, do they want the ability to do more queries or more LIMITS?

  • Andrew me

    Actually i think this is about the time Google needs to start asking for payment for every dmca, Just a small payment to start with , just to get the ball rolling, maybe 1cent or 2 cents, then they can eventually raise that to $1 per dmca. At least then they will be able to cover their costs.
    If anything this has to prove to Google that there is nothing they can do that is going to make the copyright holders happy other than close down. Yes they are making a hell of a lot of money every day, and spending a little on trying to abide by the dmca is honorable, but where do they stop, when do they say enough is enough.

  • Hogspace

    Every DCMA request should require a human check before it’s acted. Google et all must be able to charge for such a service. $1 per check would seem appropriate.

    • ItsTheSasquatch

      I’d prefer “make a fraudulent takedown request, we post your picture, name, address, and a list of your greatest fears on the internet.” Additionally, if a copyright holder demands a takedown on a clear case of fair use, they should lose their copyright entirely–the work becomes public domain.

  • Ardvaark

    “freedom to censor”
    Damn thats the epitome of all that’s wrong with the MAFIAA

    And it so much shows how clueless they are about other business. They essentially request that google shifts resources from useful processes (because if it can handle a billion searches it can handle a billion MAFIAA queries right? …. nope) or magically increase the cap.

    Seriously, not only don’t they pay a cent for other companies to do their job they even assume that they can simply allocate resources from core processes and dedicate them to their personal greedy uses… for free! or even worse, they assume resources are unlimited.

    “Google places artificial limits on the number of queries that can be made by a copyright owner to identify infringements.”
    wow, copyright monopolists, whose lifeblood consists of placing artificial limits on stuff now complaining about artificial limits (which aren’t artificial at all because those actually relate to actual resources)?? We’ve reached a new low.

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  • darthspartan

    That’s funny i think it should be lowered and have a penalty for false claims. Actually lets remove the cap and add a penalty of 1 day of jail time for the CEO for every false claim and not some white collar jail it needs to be some really scary gang run jail.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

    End of game, Gooooogle! bow to this and it is goodbye, it’s always the same, small company has good idea, small company becomes big and a success, big company gets too big for industry, big company gets un workable rules applied to it, company complies, company loses customers, company eventually fails, ….next

  • cgimusic

    I have an idea that seems a lot more fair. There is no cap to takedown requests but in the event that a single false request is issued then requests are limited to 500 a day for the next 30 days.

  • TechCrazy

    Google should agree if BRIEN agree’s to pay per request $1,000,000,000 for more engineers to handle the take downs. The money should go creating cheaper internet and funding indie music not published by big publishers.

  • Name

    in my opinion google shouldn’t have to stop linking to anything

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