Arrested File-Sharing Admins Face Jail, $700,000 Fines

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May 30, 2011
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The alleged operators of one of France’s most popular file-sharing links forums have been arrested. The site, known as Liberty Land, had been in operation since 2009 and had 800,000 members. It provided links to a wide variety of material including movies, music and software. Three men, aged between 25 and 30, now face jail sentences of up to 5 years and fines of $700,000.

Due to the way copyright law is structured in Canada, it has become the preferred home for dozens of file-sharing sites. Indeed, because of this tolerance and favorable legal status, some hosts happily play home to dozens of BitTorrent sites, a situation mirrored in few other places on the planet.

One site which utilized Canadian hosting was the French site Liberty Land (LL). Listed among France’s top 200 sites, Liberty Land carried estimated 30,000 links to albums and 100,000 links to movies and TV shows. This material was not hosted by the site, but made available from services such as MegaUpload and RapidShare.

However, despite the perceived legality of mere links – even when coupled with friendly Canadian hosting – in May 2010 rightsholder groups SACEM and ALPA filed a complaint against Liberty Land with the French authorities.

Last week, police described the subsequent investigation as “difficult” due to a combination of Canadian hosting and measures put in place by the site’s operators to remain anonymous. Nevertheless, an operation against Liberty Land went ahead.

According to a report, its alleged operators have now been arrested. It is being suggested that an investigation into one of the site’s major link uploaders led police to the men.

Jean-Philippe Vidal, the chief police officer leading the operation, said three men aged between 25 and 30 were arrested in Marseille, near Le Havre and in the Paris suburb of Montreuil.

Some reports are indicating the trio generated up to $285,300 in revenue from banner advertising on the site, an accusation which has led to them being charged with organised counterfeiting.

The men have been released pending a trial, where they face a possible five years in jail and fines of up to $700,000.

Liberty Land is currently down and there are no indications it is set to return.

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Aaas

Fuck the police.
- Acheron
  
  I like how they charged him for “counterfeiting” because they didn’t know how else to fine him/give him lots of jail time.
  - RedCrow
    
    “Counterfeiting” ?
    What have they been smokin ?
    
    No way any french judge is going to allow the plaignants to stretch the notion to include link hosting,
    
    The more often copyright stonewallers get bounced after trying to stretch existing legislation to stiffen penalties instead of attempting to use the current copyright legislation, the narrower the meaning of legislation, including copyright legislation gets through the jurisprudence.
- Blue Knight
  
  There are certainly some police officers who abuse their authority but to blame the police is simply stupid – fuck your politicians and the corporate gangsters who bribe them in order to serve their interests.
- chillitsagame
  
  gonna go download this song :P
CasualReader

Okay, so linking is now illegal?? That is retarded. Now, if I go outside and casually mention to a friend where they can find pot or free sample snacks at the local Wal-Mart, that automatically makes me a drug dealer. This is an asinine, false assumption.
- Dave
  
  you don’t understand what being an accessory to a crime is?
  - Bill Hicks
    
    We do, that is why we are incredulous.
  - Bill Hicks
    
    We do, that is why we are incredulous.
    - Fuckhead
      
      Read again:
      
      “Some reports are indicating the trio generated up to $285,300 in revenue from banner advertising on the site, an accusation which has led to them being charged with organised counterfeiting.”
    - Anonymous
      
      An accusation does not necessarily mean it’s true. And neither do “some reports”. Now it’s a matter of finding proof (on the behalf of the police) that they did generate said revenue, which would make it a criminal offense. Otherwise, they’re still innocent until proven guilty. And if no proof is found, well… you get the picture.
    - YarickZan
      
      Remember this is France and by extension wonderful Europe. The place where you DON’T have a tradition an idea like innocent until proven guilty. Instead it’s prove your innocence and if you can’t you’re guilty.
    - Guest
      
      Uh, France and much of Europe does have that tradition, actually. But go on, show your ignorance of Europe by making idiotic assumptions about it.
    - mr plop
      
      uh, who brought the americans
  - Aegis
    
    its not a crime…dave -_-’
  - Scary Devil Monastery
    
    Yes, and it certainly isn’t informing people about the crime in question.
    
    Let me bluntly put it thus: Translated to real life this would make you an accessory to a crime if you had the information required to commit the crime and told anyone about it.
    
    I.e. you can now be made responsible for assault if you tell people (or warn them!) about a location where it might be risk-free to mug someone. Worse off, even if the crime takes place without your knowledge you would still be held as an accessory for providing the location in question. And worse than that, you would be charged as an accessory even if the crime in question couldn’t even be proven to have taken place.
    
    Think about what that, legally, does to your ability to say just about anything.
  - Tyler Durden Volland
    
    Dave, you have the problem here, as you do not seem to understand what a crime is?
    
    You are very welcome to spend your life following ever rule that the powers that be put in front of you, others think for themselves and live differently… thats all.
- http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
  
  Precisely. But they can’t go after millions that upload. Scapegoat comes to mind.
  - Init
    
    Perhaps they should make a scapegoat out of you. Then we can all have a good laugh at your expense.
    - Jack Murdock Release Group
      
      I just hope they don’t make a scapegoat out of me… :-/
    - Dooby
      
      Dick…
    - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
      
      Oh please, I’d love it. Except for the fact that under my country laws they can’t do shit because it’s legal to share. But I’d love to go to court in whatever country. I have plenty of arguments to crush them and their false propaganda about how file sharing is supposedly ‘killing’ their shitty business model while posting record revenues year after year.
      
      Then yes, you can laugh at my expense, I don’t mind screwing MAFIAA’s ass representing all my fellow file sharers.
      
      I’ll be probably joining the Pirate Party here. I bet you can’t get your ass out of the chair to actually fight for something.
- http://billy.wenge-murphy.com/ Billy
  
  Ugh, stupid analogy…
  - Munawar …
    
    yes, exactly.
  - Munawar …
    
    yes, exactly.
  - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
    
    Actually it’s good because this type of excess is what’s happening today in the copyright wars.
- Anonymous
  
  major link uploaders
  
  I lol’d. Uploading hyperlinks… lmao.
  Retards prosecuting against things they know nothing about.
- Anon
  
  Yeah, tell that to the cops, “I only told him where to get the drugs”.lol.Have fun in the pokey.
  - Scary Devil Monastery
    
    Learn what “linking” actually means. In this case it’s like going to the pokey because you had information about how to cultivate week.
- Anonymous
  
  free pot samples would be good, too
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Al Koholic

Hey anti-pirates if you’re going to make arrests like this you will need a jail that can hold up to 86% of the world population for linking….you crumy bastards.

Tip for those linkers: leave one bag of fresh doughnuts with a pitcher of coffee to make those good for nothing-else to do in the world anti-pirates.
- Init
  
  Did you pull that 86% figure out of your ass?
  - Al Koholic
    
    I almost did. It was more deep in thy colon. There’s so much more going on every day, every week, every month…..etc. Sites are being taken down left and right with new ones being created as I type this. Linking will never! We just multiply!!
    - Jiggafellez
      
      Here here!
- http://127.0.0.1 Mail
  
  According to Internetworldstats the total is only about 30%. The low numbers come mostly from places such as Africa. North America however is at staggering 78%.
  
  You claim that this mystery “86%” all link for profit like this case. I’m sorry, but I don’t see that happening.
  My rough, uneducated guess would be that out of this 30% only maybe 0.1% or less actively keep up these sites. The number is still staggering and more than ANY anti-piracy service can deal with.
  Out of 30%, I’d say only about 0.5-1% are pirates. The ones who pirate pretty much everything every day.
  
  If you were to be right internet would be nothing, but pirate site after pirate site and frankly, I don’t see that. The amount of dedicated pirate sites is not all that high. There’s a rather low number of scene release sites that you can “rely” on.
  I’d say there are fair amount of “underground” forums that disallow Google bots and such to pick up any topics, etc.
  Of course then we have the mafia business. The copy-paste search-engines, filled with ads. Common tags such as “Megaupload, Rapidshare” and others are being used to get your attention and more importantly, your click. It’s probably similar to spam-mail and huge bunch of these sites come from the same root.
  
  Coming back to numbers, 0.1% (~2 million) is still a huge number. These are the dedicated sites, sort of like TPB, Isohunt and others. I’d say a good 10-20% won’t give in easily.
  Anti-piracy business is nonsense. Especially if we take into consideration their “success-rate” and the time it takes. Most of the people just walk away. What stops them from putting up another site? Nothing. Unfortunately that’s what’s happening.
  
  However, I can kinda see where things are going.
  What is the best way to rise awareness or literally force people to hate pirates? Tax. Yes, a simple tax. One day they’ll come out and say if you want entertainment, you’ll have to pay tax every month to cover losses pirates generate. The amount will be insignificant and may or may not increase with time. That is not the point. The point is that this will turn legitimate customers against pirates and that’s it, you’re done.
  What happens with the search giants? Google is people’s business in the sense that it does what people want. So, what happens when people uproar and say: “Start the bloody filtering so we don’t have to pay the silly tax!”? Google will subjugate, because this is the will of the people (the majority).
  Same with ISPs. If “private” search engines pop up, people will say, block those, because we’re paying for the pirates and that’s a no-go!
  
  This tax covers everything. Doesn’t matter whether you’re watching TV, listening to the radio or watch stuff on the computer, it’s all the same. Same music, same video, same content moves in all of these devices. If you own one, you have to pay.
  Interesting question arises. Who will people choose? The government or the pirates? This is laughable and I’m pretty sure the answer is obvious as it is.
  What’s important to remember is that government is a word and nothing more. What fuels it are the people. So, if you get people to say “burn pirates,” you’re done and indeed it’s so simple that it could practically happen tomorrow.
  
  Something like this will happen sooner or later. The question really isn’t “if” anymore…
  
  There is however one little problem and that’s the constant threat lurking around on the internet. Hackers pose a serious threat to any business and can create a colossal amounts of damage.
  
  What’s the common ground between hackers and pirates? Well, hackers sort of share the same problem with pirates. If people give government full support to do anything with the internet and businesses involved to catch pirates/hackers, they’re screwed. They probably want to avoid any kinds of restrictive laws just as much as pirates or more.
  Hackers most likely won’t cause damage to your neighbor, because pissing off people is not in their best interest. After all, where do you go when someone steals your data? To the police/government.
  So, in the sense dealing with pirates on larger scale = getting rid of threats (hackers) on the internet. Possibly pirates can be used as a means to rise awareness quicker than hackers. Pirating happens on daily basis, credit card theft, not so.
  
  Freedom of speech is worthless if people are dumb. Instead of using it intelligently we abused it for our own petty little needs.
  We can no longer go back and show people that we truly care about sharing information for the sake of everyone, nobody will believe you.
  Important things such as providing information to people who can otherwise not get it may have been the intention, but since day one, the moment you downloaded your first movie, music or whatever, it was all forgotten and it all turned into…well, this.
  So, what can you do? Will you continue the abusive behavior until it all goes down?
  - ryan
    
    putting a tax on entertainment will piss people off, but do you honestly think it will stop or even slow piracy? more people than ever will just pirate to avoid the stupid tax.
    - http://127.0.0.1 Mail
      
      Wait, wait…How can pirating help to avoid the tax? It would be there, because of pirating. Non-pirates as well as pirates pay.
      
      Tax would indeed piss off people, but what would your ordinary everyday guy do? Would he go out there to protest against this or would he expect government to deal with the pirates? That’s the point, not the tax.
      Tax is an example, it could be anything, really. It simply has to be something that affects most people to rise awareness about pirates.
      
      “Can I have some of what you’re smoking, please? ”
      Sure, it’s called human stupidity. If you don’t see the point then the statement is empty, stupid, worthless. Look no further.
      Obviously none of it is meant to be taken word for word, because I can’t see into the future. However, if we believe that nothing will happen and we can continue the way we do forever then we’re most likely wrong.
      Internet really isn’t a hobby for few nerdy guys anymore, it’s a vital part of everyday communication and work. People rely on it more than ever and there can’t be such a chaos, something has to be done.
      
      Internet is an area of no-control and governments are basically built around control. What you think is going to happen? Is it really in their best interest to have sites about building bombs at home, hacking, stealing, etc available to everyone on the internet?
      At the moment the issue is not big at all. Millions and millions of people surf the internet and see no harm in it. They use it to obtain information and they get it. There’s no direct harm involved in it to an ordinary person in daily life.
      There are also great many tools and plug-ins to avoid any kind of malicious or dangerous websites. Everywhere you go is basically up to you and I highly doubt a regular everyday internet user gets lost in the pit on daily basis.
      
      As the saying goes (or not), present is the future. Piracy and other dangers rise constantly and continue to do so. Has piracy slowed in any way? Probably not. In fact, it’s quite the opposite and again, it will continue. If there’s no signs of stopping right now then it obviously won’t. That is the fact we’re dealing with.
      What happens in the future, ideas and all that is indeed worthless and irrelevant.
      
      So, what do you make of the internet today? Are you happy the way it is? Don’t you see any danger in it? What about those who make money on the internet (selling their music, books or else)?
      I pick no sides. Getting content to people who cannot otherwise get it is always great in my eyes. However, copying without any sense of remorse and responsibility is an issue. If you can rip someone off without a slightest flinch on the internet you can probably do the same thing in real life. That’s a little bit worrying, no?
    - Scary Devil Monastery
      
      @mail, below
      
      “Internet is an area of no-control and governments are basically built around control. What you think is going to happen? Is it really in their best interest to have sites about building bombs at home, hacking, stealing, etc available to everyone on the internet?”
      
      That’s something over which they will have no control whatsoever in the future either. Cryptography is, for all intents and purposes, available to anyone with skill, knowledge, and an internet connection. This puts the government in a very unenviable position – how do you enforce a ban on armaments if every citizen simply by possession of a personal computer can whip up the equivalent of a functioning stealth fighter or obtain one by simply copying someone elses design with a pressed button?
      
      Both Iran and China have noticed and know it well – it doesn’t matter at all how much resources you invest in information control. A mass communications medium is in one of two states. On or Off. There is no viable middle path there.
    - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
      
      That. You charge a tax from me so I’ll download that for free to save money that’d go to the tax. Heh.
      
      Mr Mail, aka Jackie and merry friends, seems to think Govt misdeeds will keep going unchecked. Oh Spain…
      
      ;)
  - Lulz
    
    Can I have some of what you’re smoking, please?
    - Trespass
      
      I think he’s on something stronger than weed. Long winded nonsense.
  - Scary Devil Monastery
    
    And thus we create yet another major motivator for people to start using cryptocurrency instead. Honestly, yes, you can try to tax away the problem but it won’t do you any good. If Google folds, along will come a user-generated p2p-distributed search index which might not be as polished but would deliver 70% of googles functionality except possibly for torrent files where it would cover about 100%.
    
    Neither public opinion nor governments would go along with dismantling the internet altogether, which is what it would take to even get a handle of noncommercial filesharing. If taxation becomes too severe then the end outcome is simple – the party which promises to destroy that tax levy wins the next election. case closed.
    - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
      
      That. Saved me from typing a long annoying reply to Mail. <3
      
      I see .p2p and other alternatives coming ;)
  - Scary Devil Monastery
    
    And thus we create yet another major motivator for people to start using cryptocurrency instead. Honestly, yes, you can try to tax away the problem but it won’t do you any good. If Google folds, along will come a user-generated p2p-distributed search index which might not be as polished but would deliver 70% of googles functionality except possibly for torrent files where it would cover about 100%.
    
    Neither public opinion nor governments would go along with dismantling the internet altogether, which is what it would take to even get a handle of noncommercial filesharing. If taxation becomes too severe then the end outcome is simple – the party which promises to destroy that tax levy wins the next election. case closed.
Anonymous

You can be arrested for breaking the law.
You can be arrested for not breaking the law.
Laws are fake. The only “law” is money. Pay enough, and you can have anyone you want arrested.
- Noah C.
  
  You can also be arrested for helping others break the law.
  
  For instance, I’m not a drug dealer. But I can give you a few recommendations for whom to get your crack fix from. I can still be an accessory to the crime.
  - http://billy.wenge-murphy.com/ Billy
    
    Except the downloading and uploading itself is not criminal. To be an accessory to a crime, there must be a crime.
    
    “Crime” has an actual meaning, not just “bad naughty no no stuff”
  - Anonymous
    
    And this is about France not the US of Abuse.
  - Anonymous
    
    And this is about France not the US of Abuse.
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Ivs

What next? You can be arrested for saying the word ”torrent”?
- Moxie
  
  Very soon…
- Moxie
  
  Very soon…
- Anonymous
  
  This site reminds me of filestube.com who support the same type of linking to cyberlockers. Their claim of “download everything” paints a good picture.
  
  Well we will have to see where this case goes. We know the copyright side can often use false claims and bullying so a court case would prove interesting where guilty or innocent is very unclear.
Bill Hicks

It is not illegal to run a torrent site.
END OF FUCKING STORY.
Sarkozy needs a reminder of the frailties of the cranium….
- Anonymous
  
  It is illegal to engage in proof by assertion.
  END OF FUCKING STORY.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    Work with me here.
    
    Links = counterfeiting?
    
    Does not compute
http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

Fuck You Sarkozy !!! You are a walking turd.
Fuck the Police
MichaelPika

That sucks! GRRRR douches

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKj8IhifI4
http://www.facebook.com/warface.aps WarFace Aps

“charged with organised counterfeiting.”
Remember Al Capone? (Sent to prison for tax evasion not murder!)
- Anonymous
  
  I think that is a false law to use. Counterfeiting does not apply to intellectual property only to the container it comes in. So counterfeiting would only apply had they say made cloned DVDs and cases.
  
  Copyright infringement and fraud are very different beasts. I can only think this case will crash and burn but it really depends on the evidence.
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knick

they dont want to put everyone in jail

they just want to take the big heads down so that everyone would be scared about downloading illegal stuff in general

i dont support their move, but you can’t really do anything about it, when the law is against you, it’s difficult to fight for your rights
- Donotreply
  
  ‘when the law is against you’
  
  Due to being bought and sold by the MAFIAA and other corporate interests.
http://twitter.com/RRRRube Ruby Gallacher

So I guess they’ll be going after Google next. They have adverts which make them a ton of money. They link to infringing material. Someone please tell me what the difference is?
- Brandon
  
  Google has unlimited resources and armys of lawyers. They like to go after small sites that have limited resources and can’t easily defend themselves. Kinda like thugs robbing and beating up old people and children…
Munawar …

We make comments here. We Abuse the Anti-Piracy folks. Whatever we may tell or do, they won’t stop. We have to do something.

For example: Start a Fund, to support such people. Provide Free (if one can’t afford) Legal help. {or is there something like this already?}

I read comments like.. “This sucks” “Police is retards” “AntiPiracy folks are dumb” etc. But does that actually matter, after a Person is Arrested & Fined/Jailed?

This is really sad, yes. I give my condolences.

And some people here need to grow up, Saying stuff like “Fuck You Police…” etc. is crazy. They are just doing their Job. How can they be responsible? It is the ill-minded Anti-Piracy organisations that are to be blamed.
AnonBuddhist

The paid shill speaks.
Frittancy Admin

We make comments here. We Abuse the Anti-Piracy folks. Whatever we may tell or do, they won’t stop. We have to do something.

For example: Start a Fund, to support such people. Provide Free (if one can’t afford) Legal help. {or is there something like this already?}

I read comments like.. “This sucks” “Police is retards” “AntiPiracy folks are dumb” etc. But does that actually matter, after a Person is Arrested & Fined/Jailed?

This is really sad, yes. I give my condolences.
Is this all we can do? When a fellow Human is arrested for Not Doing something as bad. Rapists, Murderers roam free.. Its the Pirates who do a little thing and they face the brunt of the Rich.

And some people here need to grow up, Saying stuff like “Fuck You Police…” etc. is crazy. They are just doing their Job. How can they be responsible? It is the ill-minded Anti-Piracy organisations that are to be blamed.
- Anonymous
  
  You can start by voting pirate party and getting involved there…
- anon
  
  if i was a hitman would it also not be my fault that i killed you? i mean its just my job witch takes away my moral sense and allows me to do what ever im told like breaking into some ones home tying them up and throwing them into a cage for uploading links.
  
  im really not trying to bash cops but you see my point
  - Anonymous
    
    This. Being hired to carry out the dirty work of other people doesn’t mean you aren’t doing the dirty work yourself.
    
    Even the military, who are practically owned by the government, shouldn’t be punished for doing the right thing in the face of rules and laws.
    - Haxor
      
      same thing at Nuremberg trials was used by Nazis stuffing people into ovens, you sir fail with that logic and in this case Godwin uses after this are meant to in fact try and stifle the truth.
    - Haxor
      
      and the saying is for you”the ends justifies the means” and as a civil society NO SIR it does not and its why they keep so much secret for if you knew you would create change as we all must
Frittancy Admin

We make comments here. We Abuse the Anti-Piracy folks. Whatever we may tell or do, they won’t stop. We have to do something.

For example: Start a Fund, to support such people. Provide Free (if one can’t afford) Legal help. {or is there something like this already?}

I read comments like.. “This sucks” “Police is retards” “AntiPiracy folks are dumb” etc. But does that actually matter, after a Person is Arrested & Fined/Jailed?

This is really sad, yes. I give my condolences.
Is this all we can do? When a fellow Human is arrested for Not Doing something as bad. Rapists, Murderers roam free.. Its the Pirates who do a little thing and they face the brunt of the Rich.

And some people here need to grow up, Saying stuff like “Fuck You Police…” etc. is crazy. They are just doing their Job. How can they be responsible? It is the ill-minded Anti-Piracy organisations that are to be blamed.
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Fukthequeen

Fuck the police and fuck the Queen and fuck cencorship!!
- Anonymous
  
  Then some claim such websites are not visited by children…
  
  Fuck the Queen? What has that got to do with anything? Sounds like someone has a fetish for royal great grandmothers.
  
  Then do I really need to point out the problem with your cencorship? Try two S and only one C.
Init

Serves him right I say. Harsh examples need to be set to make people aware that piracy is not ‘OK’.
Guest

New World Order is coming
- Haxor
  
  haha you mean new world where that old order degenerates so badly we all rise up and revolt.
http://www.facebook.com/theheartbeatsbass Theo Langsford Wolfe

this is a simple matter of principle, the rich get greedy and raise their prices then try to destroy the men and women who make this data accessible to those who otherwise couldnt afford it. i will personally say if i like wut i pirate i go out and buy it as alot of pirates do. piracy was started so that the poor common folk could have the same entertainment as the rich snobs who can afford such things. I am of course speaking from an american point of view as that is the country i live in. but still if the companies wanted us to buy their crap they would lower the prices. its time we stood up and fought back.
- Anonymous
  
  File sharing (not piracy) was not created to make everything free. It was created to expand upon the already-prevalent sneaker-net type sharing, where people would copy or let others borrow their albums, movies, games, software, etc.
  
  Not being able to afford something doesn’t mean you should be able to have it anyway. You’re right, that is speaking from the American point of view, but the American point of view is severely flawed and is the reason so many people are living beyond their means with tons of debt.
  
  On the other hand, being able to afford something doesn’t mean you should dump your life savings into buying it. An example is cable television. I don’t have cable television because I only like a couple shows. Is there an outlet where I can buy access to those couple of shows, without commercials, DRM, and be able to watch it on whatever I please? No, there isn’t. And until there is, the only way I can have access is to download it.
  
  There is also the consideration of who you want your money going to. Do I want to spend a dollar on a song so Apple can get almost all of it and the artist can get almost nothing? Hell no. The same goes for albums, where the artist gets an insanely small fraction. So instead, I’ll just download the music, then go see a concert and buy a t-shirt.
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Midimaker78

Yet again, no honor amongst “thieves”, one asshole selling others out just to get himself a better deal.

Think the Scilian mafia was founded on selling anoher member out?
- Guest
  
  Most of the time they do…
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Mute

Some how ppl seem to think that because it’s the internet, there is some way that ALL of this cannot be stopped. Piracy stops the flow of money to media companies and artisits that they feel they are due to have.

When the “powerful” loose money, it’s only a matter of time before an end is put to it.

The internet – being the internet – and all that means, will not stop the powerful from putting an end to their profit’s being lost.

Loop holes in the law mean nothing when the powerful make and change those law’s to suite their needs on a regular basis.

In short, piracy (at least as how most torrent users know it) will for sure come to an end in the near future. It’s nothing anyone’s complaining over the internet is going to stop from happening.

Torrents are about to be over with. A new form of piracy will likely follow, and when the powerful get sick of that loss, they will put an end to it as well. And so on, and so on.

Exactly what makes you think it will happen any other way?
- Trespass
  
  Well, for one thing, they cannot outlaw bittorrent clients like uTorrent, Vuse or Azerus because they are COMPLETELY legal. I don’t think anyone has even tried to mess with them. If a site goes down, I can find the same thing on Google. Good luck with trying to take down Google!
  
  You are correct that evolution is inevitable and more innovative and creative methods will be developed. Piracy, as you call it, will never come to an end…
  I call it sharing. There is no evidence that SHARING is hurting profits. Everyone seems to be having record breaking years. Especially Hollywood. There is also no evidence that a download equals a lost sale. Many argue the opposite.
- Trollbasher
  
  The last ten years of epic failures and law firms like acs law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACS:Law) going bankrupt and ceasing trading.
  
  If you try and stop people sharing files there will always be retaliation, hell there has already been retaliation, there’s even a political party (pirate party) for copyright reform and its gaining power.
  
  “The powerful” haven’t lost any money from file sharing, and they are not owed a damned penny, you think money belongs to these companies? it doesn’t.
  
  File sharing will always be around in one form or another, they will have to take down three quarters of the internet to stamp it out, then a market for counterfeit cd’s with films, music and games on them will spring up again at dirt cheap prices, then people who actually pay for goods will take the money elsewhere, every push against file sharing will only damage the reputation of companies.
- Scary Devil Monastery
  
  No. I can foresee that the future of the internet will be that of a decentralized darknet when push comes to shove. What i don’t see at all is any way in which any power, governmental or otherwise, can implement information control in any form on a medium of mass communication in an era where there exists such a thing as a “personal computer”.
  
  You want to get rid of piracy you need to remove the internet altogether. It’s an “either-or” with no real compromise.
  - Haxor
    
    wrong when they make a law stating you must give govt your encryption keys will you fight then?
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Leavalhalla

Hey heres a wild and crazy concept: how about instead of this gov involvent- regulation and legislation- we allow a FREE market to dictate who gets rich (if anything) from music?! In EVERY other industry we would not put such restrictive and controlling mesures in place to protect market share- it is up to producers to make something worth buying. Try artwork, collectibles, or – this is the CRAZIEST idea ive ever had- maybe u should tour, and work for ur millions like everyone else. Never in history has there been legislation against sharing music or movies without profit until recently.
entropy13

Read somewhere else that in France, you can rape someone and get imprisoned for 2 years max and not fined….

If “the punishment fits the ‘crime’”…
FILE-SHARING IS MORE EVIL THAN RAPE???

WTF???
- YourBud
  
  That’s one of the most stupid gossip about France I’ve ever heard…
  
  It’s like saying:
  
  “Read everywhere else that Americans can invade countries, murder anyone they want in any country for any reason, bomb your house and kill your kids, steal your natural resources and say that it’s all for our own good…
  
  And at the same time they moralize us about how file sharing is wrong and how much we cost them..
  
  FILE SHARING IS MORE EVIL THAN MASS MURDER AND COST MORE THAN THESE UNNECESSARY WARS ???
  
  WTF??”
  
  How does that sound?
Anonymous

thats the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Fuck the Queen indeed! Fuck her!
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Wck2011

Okay, so linking is now illegal?? That is retarded. Now, if I go outside and casually mention to a friend where they can find pot or free sample snacks at the local Wal-Mart, that automatically makes me a drug dealer. This is an asinine, false assumption.
- Haxor
  
  a hyperlink is like your friend telling you over at end of the street is a crack dealer.IF you wander over and dont go in your still guilty according to hollywood cause you FOLLOWED the link
Needlez

Ok, so I would like to make a few things clear here: first off how is a hyperlink illegal please explain that, thats exactly the same bases that google uses to link people to data. Second, sharing isn’t affecting hollywood profits because look at it this way. I have no money to buy the CD so I wouldn’t buy it to start with, but if I just download something for enjoyment listen to it, and a buddy of mine hears it and I tell him what band it is, he is likely to go out and buy the copy of it, or have a family member buy it. Just because someone borrows someone elses music doesn’t mean that the creator lost anything, it just means that there is more of it to go around. Like if I go to the library and rent there copy of the music for free, hollywood made nothing off that and i can listen to the music if I want, further more, I can make a copy of that data onto my computer because at the moment I own that CD. Get the picture? Third, Bittorrent will simply not just disappear, alot of opensource Operating systems use Bittorrent as a client to download their .iso file. And fourth, if you feel like saying something or bashing what I said, please be respectful, or you may just slapped with harassment. lol joking mostly, but do be respectful.
- Haxor
  
  a hyperlink is like your friend telling you over at end of the street is a crack dealer.IF you wander over and dont go in your still guilty according to hollywood cause you FOLLOWED the link
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perpective in canad the max jail time you get fo rnot paying a fine is 10$ = 1 day = 70000 days or 191 years in prison…does anyone see this person as bad as say a serial murderer?Only hollywood
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