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Band Leaks Track to BitTorrent, Blames Pirates

When we reported about the leak of a BuckCherry track last week, and specifically the band’s response to it, we hinted that this could be a covert form of self-promotion. Indeed, after a few days of research we found out that the track wasn’t leaked by pirates, but by Josh Klemme, the manager of the band.

buckcherryWhen BuckCherry found out that their latest single had leaked on BitTorrent, they didn’t try to cover this up, or take the file down. No, instead, they issued a press release (update: the press release has been removed, Google cache), where they stated: “Honestly, we hate it when this s*** happens, because we want our FANS to have any new songs first.”

This is strange to say the least. Not only because their label, Atlantic Records, is known to release (and spam) tracks for free on BitTorrent sites, but also because the press release was more about promoting the band than the actual leak. Without any hard evidence, we suggested that this leak may have been set up to get some free promotion and publicity, which BuckCherry seems to need.

Out of curiosity, we decided to follow this up, to see if this was indeed the case. With some help of a user in the community, we tracked down some of the initial seeders of the torrent. A BitTorrent site insider was kind enough to help us out, because BitTorrent is not supposed to be “abused” like this, and confirmed that the IP of one of the early seeders did indeed belong to the person who uploaded the torrent file.

It turns out that the uploader, a New York resident, had only uploaded one torrent, the BuckCherry track. When we entered the IP-address into the Wiki-scanner, we found out that the person in question had edited the BuckCherry wikipedia entry, and added the name of the band manager to another page.

This confirmed our suspicions, but it was not quite enough, since it could be an overly obsessed fan (if they have fans). So, we decided to send the band manager, Josh Klemme – who happens to live in New York – an email to ask for his opinion on our findings. Klemme, replied to our email within a few hours, and surprisingly enough his IP-address was the same as the uploader.

Epic fail….

Unfortunately Klemme only replied once, and ignored all further requests to comment on this issue. However, the press release, sent out by Atlantic Records and BuckCherry, seems to be a promotional stunt. It could be that the manager acted on his own, and that the band and the record label were not not in on this, but that’s less plausible.

Klemme has been caught with his pants down, and he will probably think twice before he tries to pull off a stunt like this again. A song doesn’t leak by itself and pirates don’t have some sort of superhuman ability to get their hands on pre-release material. No, most leaked movies, TV-shows and albums come from the inside so blaming pirates is useless.

Of course, it’s great that BuckCherry can get some free promotion for the band using BitTorrent, and we encourage everyone to promote their band or movie via this great system too. But wouldn’t it be more constructive if bands embraced the technology and admitted it, instead of playing the injured party and giving the protocol a bad image, just to boost their own? There’s a great opportunity here, don’t waste it.

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  • Ghost

    Nice try though. They should embrace it as mentioned in the article

  • haha

    BUSTED!!

  • SL

    Im not surprised, Id never even heard of them and they must be so desperate for publicity that they did this.

    The funny think is that it proves a band wouldnt lose money on leaked CDs or their manager wouldnt have done it.

  • SPYCOPY

    The problem also is Buckcherry is no good, I mean the music sucks and the shows are not sellouts..So they have turned to us so we can help them. You see we are the future. Long Live Bittorrent…….

  • hahahah

    ahahahahahahahah fail

  • Me

    Is it just mean who is thinking Boycott? Or is that epicly pointless given that they don’t have fans anyway?

  • lol fail

    I refuse to use my bandwidth to even google his name.

    What stupid fools. I’m sure they just generated a lot of hate for themselves… and there are a lot of people in the P2P community :P

  • kdsde

    man if those nonentities had at least pulled a “Indiana” on that one, that way we could redicule them at least for their idiocy.
    But with such a blatant promo shit, we can not even pity them!

    “[...]If you can’t even give it away for free, how do you expect to sell it, stupid!”

  • Zz

    dunno who they are,
    probably another shitty band from usa

  • thoouth

    Ah, but what if they can get some free promotion AND join the queue of artists waiting for money from the RIAA?

    Cheeky bastards

  • itsme

    truly beyond epic phail. this shows some people do anything to sell only 1 tiny copy more and therby appear utterly pathetic. they only shoot themselves in the foot cause now every serious music lover pukes on them. not to mention the torrentcommunity.

    dont be fooled by some stupic tactic like this people, its idiotic and fake

  • Natali

    Oh that is hilarious. Great investigating guys. When albums leak, it’s nearly always the band/manager/producer behind it. The epic fail comes in getting caught out. It’s not hard to go and use someone else’s computer ffs.

  • Matt

    ha ha this guy needs to learn how to see with a Proxy or TOR but it seems that hes not that SMART

  • randomguy

    omg funny as, best laugh ive had in a while, what an idiot that manager is.

  • hibees1875

    cheeky bastards, who the fcuk is buck cherry anyway?? another shitty second rate american band that no one want to listen to.
    so much for bit torrent taking money away from cd sales! oh i forgot, they heven’t sold any albums cause their shite :)

  • TehStaleker

    FAIL!

  • axerage

    Wow…some pretty impressive detective work there! It just goes to show that the industry has no idea what to do. They use the technology while slamming it at the same time. I love the fact that the manager has been named. Maybe the public embarrassment will teach him something. (but I doubt it)

  • If they knew they deserve to walk the plank blaming a innocent piwate community!
    yarr!

  • Mikle

    Maybe someone will add some info to there Wiki profil about there stunt? :)

    But well, how stupid can you be not to use a simple VPN og Proxy when you dont want to be traced.

  • pink panther

    Nothing … nothing! … could be more lame than trying to leak your own album to file sharing networks to make yourself look more popular than you really are. HINT: You don’t need to do much to promote good music. The cream rises, the BS sinks. And B. Cherry is sunk.

  • Anonymous

    what a cunt

  • anon2

    even tho the manager has been caught out for uploading the track, there will be denials and the facts will be distorted so that the blame will still be put on to pirates and the p2p community. it is so easy to put the blame on others when they have been blamed before(the ‘crying wolf’ syndrome). all good points are ignored, all bad points (if there are any) are exagerated. the band gained free publicity, that was the whole object of the exercise. they should now apologise for the false accusations!

  • wow

    you are the definition of a fucking douchenozzle.

    What a pathetic excuse for a ‘manager’.

  • aheh

    Someone should go to one of there shows and call em out on it..

    omg I would get kicked out of the club I would rag them so bad, what a bunch of fucking pussys, grow up infants.

  • reacto

    i wouldnt download this crap band anyways. cookie cutter band they all sound the fuckin same..

  • oneplusone

    How is this NOT wire fraud? People? I’m serious…

  • Anonymous

    This band sucks. Since the music won’t speak for them, they need all the publicity they can get.

  • Boris the K

    Cunts. I’m not going to buy their shit just because of this. What fucktards!

  • B to the S

    owned :)
    don’t play games with the torrent community

  • Anonymous Coward

    Buckcherry has fans..? sigh.

  • Burton68

    The sad thing is, even free no one want’s their crap music.

  • #YLS#

    Sounds like some quite clever investigation.

    I think we’re all fed up with these Music band sluts who are just looking for filesharers attention…

    It’s clear that the only way the Music Industry is truely losing money is by the fact they keep taking on bands that are rip offs or just boring and expect to use filesharers as a blaiming point.

  • Vagabond

    FYI, Buckcherry is the shit. They are the best band I’ve ever seen live including Ozzy, Kiss and the Stones. Their song Crazy Bitch was the number one most requested song on Serious radio in 2007.

  • e dagger

    Guys. It’s doubtful this was a publicity “stunt”. Thier manager leaked the track obviously without consent to promote. The band didn’t like it and issued a release to state they’d like fans first crack at thier songs. Fair enough.

    That being said all is fair in the Bit Torrent game. We’ve all got it made getting free shit – at the end of the day that’s all most of you care about. If they want to exploit it for promotion (they didn’t)then I say go nuts.

    And PS. Thy might suck but thier last album went platinum in the US alone. You’ve all heard thier songs on the radio and just don’t know it.

  • FORGREATJUSTICE

    Why not teach these people a lesson? How about if we change the file to be a short 2girls1cup clip. Maybe a clip of Goddess Bunny. Or, maybe that Something Awful canadian hockey song. Just make sure yours has more seeds or higher bandwith, whatever. Make the original disappear.

    I’m sure all of these things would actually be better than anything Buckcherry will ever produce anyway.

    I think that manager just made a big mistake by trying to use us and abuse us at the same time.

  • Robb Topolski

    I haven’t worked on this more than a few minutes, but this is huge news and a real blow to RIAA and its legal strategies with regards to filesharing.

    Atlantic Records is a RIAA member. Atlantic might be able to claim innocence that it was just acting as a foundry for “10th Street Entertainment,” the artists agent, but it is not. The record label is also promoting the band http://www.atlanticrecords.com/buckcherry which means to me that Atlantic Records shares some vicarious responsibility for Josh Klemme’s actions. In other words, Atlantic has an interest and a responsibility to supervise what Josh Klemme does, and the RIAA has an interest and a responsibility to supervise what Atlantic does.

    I don’t know if there are any subsidiary-type connections between “10th Street Entertainment” and “Atlantic Records” but if there are, that could tie this up tight!

    Great investigation, guys!

  • CFultz

    @28

    Indeed sir

  • Striker

    Cool. Yet another band to place on my banned list. Thanx guys, have fun playing Bar Mitzvahs in the future.

  • anon-alpha

    So does this mean the RIAA has to sue… itself?

  • Anonymous

    hahaha…

    The music industry is completely blaming the scene for any and all loss of profit and may or may not be true, but yet they need the scene to help them promote their music.

    Kinda hypocritical don’t you think?

  • Nikkole

    That just proves that other bands/artist need to stay clear of that manager who is “shadey”.

    If they’re any good, they need to cut ties and declare no part in any of that managers dealings.

  • Spanky69

    Wont buy it, wont DL it.

    Well done loser.

  • kage

    For falsely blaming the bittorrent community in order to promote their crappy songs, I think that this information should be spread as much as possible to the public in order to humiliate the ones responsible.

  • Anonymous

    Chuck Berry should sue these bitches.

  • Anonymous

    they call us pirates , piracy etc.
    how is that when the entertainment industry can justify 20-25 bucks a new dvd , 15-20 for a album , and 100+ dollars for a family of 4 to go to the theatre , lets re-examine who is the real pirate. i think its time to put the entertainment industry on trial, call ken starr.
    c-mon we have investigations into crawfish price fixing. lets examine the bullsh** promise’s of lower prices the entertainment industry has been feeding the public since 2k2. put the manager on federal intellectual theft charges.if not it is a double standard against the general public.

  • Anonymous

    Good follow-up! Lame band, lame song, and lame attempt at promotion. hahahaha

  • Pirate

    This is funny though not surprising. What is surprising though is that no one has mentioned anything about the torrent site’s act of maintaining database information that can be used for the purpose of user identification. What’s the timeframe for data retention? Is it something short, say, upto 72 hours for the purposes of allowing for a reasonable means of moderation? Or, really, is it to be held indefinitely to serve the express interests of a few with access to the detriment of the users?

    How’s that for balance between the ability to effectively moderate versus a respect for enduser privacy? The impression is that this article purposefully avoided specifically detailing which site actually offered that information. What’s the reason?

    In this case access to that level of information all turns out good because now we all get to laugh at the naivety of Buckcherry and exposure of their effort to deceive. I’m not so sure such information go down so well for endusers though if, say, one’s hardware were ever to be confiscated by the authorities.

  • ibz

    EPIC FAIL

  • Crynsos

    “There’s a great opportunity here, don’t waste it.”

    So true… but I think, this band’s online lifespan has already shortened by a lot, thanks to that manager…

    They’re probably too scared of the big labels, that to publicy boast about their leak and this evil and damned… *cough* erm… *cough* wonderful and high-tech stuff, which would help every artist to get free promotion and attention…

  • bbfg

    What would be really funny is if a band member uploaded it without permission, just to cause publicity, and they get fired now.

  • urdum

    Congrats on giving the band more press which is what the wanted to begin with.

  • Anonymous

    “how is that when the entertainment industry can justify 20-25 bucks a new dvd , 15-20 for a album , and 100+ dollars for a family of 4 to go to the theatre , lets re-examine who is the real pirate. i think its time to put the entertainment industry on trial, call ken starr.”

    CDs and DVDs are very much overpriced, but theatres are not (in my opinion). Here, atleast. In Europe it is probably much more, but in Canada I saw The Dark Knight and it was $9 for a ticket. It was a fair enough prices, especially compared to the insane prices of other things. I think I saw a CD of Pink Floyd’s The Wall for $35 a few years ago. While it is great music, it is a lot of money for some plastic that has already made the band alot of money.

  • Fred Farkle

    All of you “Brit” assholes can blow me! American bands rock and your fucking lameass pussy bands suck!!

  • Skwerl

    i actually do have a superhuman ability to get my hands on prerelease material.

  • heh

    Josh Klemme, you, sir, are a douche.

    Enjoy your internet fame! Douche.

  • Anonymous

    In any case, it’s funny. In any case, it is still stupid to try to lie to the public on anything just to get publicity.

    There is a discussion board for discussing about file-sharing issues. It does not require registration – it is at http://www.28chan.org/fs/

  • Average Internet user

    I would not download that crap even if they paid me. In fact, I want compensation!

  • fuzzypig

    Fecking hypocrites! As they say in all the best relationships “It’s the lies that hurt most!”.

    So Mr Record Company Exec, next time you’re bitching about pirates, shut yer fecking cake-hole!

  • Big Don-g

    I agree about embracing the technology.

    I think the manager’s goal was to create some ‘hotness’. A bootleg track is cooler to hobbyists than some regular release.

    The best course IMO would have been a release in silence, then pony up after the publicity.

  • Anonymous

    so by faking outrage they get three press notification
    1 for their original outrage
    1 for their exposure as a fake
    1 for their appology to th community they wronged.

    makes more sense to fake outrage

  • Ran

    I have to say…I don’t get all the hate for Buckcherry. I love Buckcherry. I have since their first album. Yes, the MANAGER screwed up, but if you’d all get your heads out of your asses and actually listened to their music and form your own opinion about it….many have admitted to not having heard about BC, but that’s because you’ve all been busy listening to Coldplay or some other…

  • .

    Why is anyone the least bit surprised?

    Record label promoters have been pulling this stunt for years, and are being encouraged to increase the practice.

    MediaDefender made a laughingstock of itself as a self-proclaimed anti-P2P “expert” and now it’s lost most of its record industry customers who used to pay MD big $$ to try to keep material off P2P. With hundreds of servers scattered all over the world going dormant, MediaDefender is now working hard to re-invent itself as a P2P distributor-for-hire.

    “Hire us to ‘leak’ your shit – money-back guarantee if we ever get caught”

  • the TRUTH

    How funny!!

    BitTorrent types are lashing out at someone accused of breaking some sort of unwritten “ethical” code here.

    Talk about hypocrisy.

    An unauthorized file share is against the law. A pattern of it is equivalent to intentional infringement and theft.

    What is interesting, is how the abuse of THESE laws and rules is cheered, while some manager’s clumsy effort to grab a little more limelight is lambasted.

    An unauthorized file trader knows these things. Yet the first thing the trader does is run crying for cover when caught. The trader will lie like Jammie Thomas. It’s called perjury. If you ever get put in front of a court reporter, and/or a jury, you’ll have the choice to do the same.

    I have yet to HEAR ONE SINGLE unauthorized file trader ever admit, under oath, what they did was wrong, and they knew it.

    (Of course, it is preposterous to argue that out of 100% tracked and caught with unauthroized files, that 100% were “innocent”. The logical odds of that are overwhelmingly minute.)

    I dont claim to be able to predict the future, but I will take bets that NONE of you would admit your
    wrongdoing AFTER you are caught.

    Go ahead and steal. The idiots running the industry have all but made it the equivalent of taking a piss. It’s so easy, even a baby can do it.

    But try to check your hypocrisy at the door, when someone else comes along and defies the “rules”.

  • SL

    A very poor effort 63, take a look at this.

    From Zeropaid.

    “He readily admits that his client did use the KaZaA file-sharing program and should be punished accordingly, but that actual damages should be limited to $3.50 per song she made available for a total of $750 if found liable.”

  • #YLS#

    What are you on about? We don’t care that the guy uploaded it, to be honest all the better that he did, it’s just if the Band knew before the statement then there lieing shits, simple as.

    But well I can’t say until I’ve been in the situation of being caught but I probably would admit to it… Although I’d hold off and try to get them to reveal the evidence on what i’ve actually done first but still.

    Admitting something’s wrong and admitting you’ve done something at all are two different things.

  • Delial

    Real-life Uplink FTW!

  • ..

    @ Delial where can i plug in?

  • the TRUTH

    ahead of time, let me state that I will use caps – not to annoy – but to make it easier to view what statements are mine, and which ones are attributable to posters 64 and 65.

    Let’s start with this, shall we?

    From Zeropaid. “He readily admits that his client did use the KaZaA file-sharing program and should be punished accordingly, but that actual damages should be limited to $3.50 per song she made available for a total of $750 if found liable.”

    WOW, LOOK AT ALL THAT CONTRADICTION OF MY POINT.

    So, now I’ve heard of one. ONE. From a person called Zero Paid. You can tell from her name alone, she is the sort you’d consider her a SMART FILE RAIDER (insert sarcasm
    here)

    She was CAUGHT with 20 stolen tracks. How many more did she thieve?

    And guess what, I bet the court laughed at her lawyer’s claim of $3.50 per song.

    AS I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG, steal away. The labels have been jerks for so long, they needed a reawakening.

    But in case you have too busy stealing to follow developments,
    the ISPs are NOT exactly loyal to unauthorized file traders, now are they? See them agreeing to monitor bandwidth? See them caving in, now that a few courts and legislatures are forcing them to respect intellectual property rights? If you live in the UK, it is already a sealed deal.

    Do you know what Congress is doing
    right now? You may want to stay abreast of the enforcement changes arising.

    I give it one more year, at most, and then there will be real hell to pay. For unauthorized traders. The ISPs are going to, not just figuratively either, walk your behavior right over to the courthouse. Bye bye college tuition.
    Bye bye wages. Bye bye, ability to run and hide, and play guerilla and file terrorist, because the courts are going to send messages around 2009, that enforcement is going to end up HURTING those who thumb their nose.

    I DONT CARE EITHER WAY, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT LOOTING IS A COMMON BEHAVIOR WHEN SOMEONE TEMPTS YOU AND THE ODDS OF GETTING CAUGHT ARE A FRACTION OF 1%. BUT THAT NEAR-PERFECT IMMUNITY, LIKE THE OLD LABEL SYSTEM, WILL COLLAPSE BECAUSE OF GREED AND ABUSE. THE LAW IS ABOUT TO CATCH UP WITH THE BEHAVIOR. THEN ITS PAYBACK TIME.

    THIS IS A PREDICTION. NOT AN EMOTION. NOT A TAUNT. IT IS AN OBSERVATION BASED ON REAL TRENDS.

    What confidence do I have in it?
    I’ll start taking bets on the future of these matters, if anyone cares to throw away money, specifically, over what enforcement will take place next year.

    _______________________

    What are you on about? We don’t care that the guy uploaded it, to be honest all the better that he did, it’s just if the Band knew before the statement then there lieing shits, simple as.

    oh, I see, LIEING IS SOMEHOW A WORSE OFFENSE THAN STEALING?

    WHEN YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT ONE LOGICALLY, COME BACK HERE AND SHARE YOUR BEST SHOT AT IT.
    __________________________

    But well I can’t say until I’ve been in the situation of being caught but I probably would admit to it… Although I’d hold off and try to get them to reveal the evidence on what i’ve actually done first but still.

    YES, AND THAT ATTITUDE IS WHY THOSE WHO GET CAUGHT IN THE MONTHS AHEAD, ARE GOING TO BE SMACKED DOWN SO HARD, IT WILL HURT FOR YEARS.

    YOU SEE, ONCE YOU TAKE THAT POSITION, YOUR CHANCE OF SUCCESSFULLY BACKING DOWN LATER ON PLUMMETS.

    AS YOU ALREADY ARGUE, DECEIVING SOMEONE IS NOT COOL. (“it’s just if the Band knew before the statement then there lieing shits”) WHY BERATE THE STUPID BUCKCHERRY MANAGER WHEN YOU YOURSELF ARE POSTING HOW MUCH YOU ARE WILLING TO DECEIVE? AND IN A COURT ROOM, NOT COMING CLEAN AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE IS TREATED AS DECEPTION. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE, GET IT?

    THAT’S CALLED HYPOCRISY, CORRECT?

  • the TRUTH

    correction, Zero Paid was caught with more than 200 made available works that belonged to someone else, and for which she had ZERO AUTHORITY TO SHARE.

  • baka pinkuu

    “THE TRUTH,”

    are you the same painfully-lame ad agency that did the antismoking commercials?

    I think after your last client wised up that you were making things worse, you moved on to RIAA as a client.

    You, the f–kberries, and the f–kberry manager who keeps posting about how they’re wonderful and it’s not fair they got caught should go circlejerk each other. Somewhere else.

  • the TRUTH

    ANd dont think that what you stole last year, or this year, will be forgotten.

    The statute of limitations runs 3 years. That means anything you’ve
    shared, dating back to – let’s say 2007 – you are wide open, very WIDE OPEN.

    “The general rule is that the statute of limitations starts from the date of the last infringing act. However, the courts are divided as to how this applies. Some courts hold that you can recover your damages for the entirety of the infringement so long as a lawsuit is filed within 3 years of the last infringing act; others limit damages to those acts which occurred within the three years leading up to the lawsuit.

    What constitutes an infringing act may also vary. For example, if you author a magazine article published on July 1, 1998, and on September 30, 1998 somebody directly copies the article without your permission, and puts it in a book manuscript as her own. Assume the book is released June 1, 1999, and is then reprinted in a second edition (with your material unchanged) on December 15, 2000. Courts might come to different conclusions in deciding whether the infringement occurred September 30, 1998, June 1, 1999 or December 15, 2000 — or if the book remains on the market, even later.”

    Why should you care today? Easy.

    There is a trace system in operation, and the ISPs are using it to gather evidence.

    You dont know this? Well, ask yourself. Do you think that the ISPs want to remain in the middle and mix any more, and take the chance that the courts will soon shift the value of theft to them?

    No, you better believe it, that they have better ideas how to spend the billions that would cost them.

    If you know anyone who works at a decision making level in enforcement and compliance for an ISP, see if they would DENY this statement. If they do, get back to me. I’ll give $200 to the first person who can give me a confirming name and contact. Dont worry, I am not in enforcement, and dont give a shit. It’s just that I happen to value the truth, and what that means for the future.

    People who are stealing now, be advised.

    The fuck-ass RIAA (and it is fuck ass, but it will have even more law on its side next year) will get going, and start a mass sweep.

    But this time, it will consist of ALL BITE AND HARD BITE AT THAT.

    No more bark, no more grandma’s. Nope, thanks to the ISPs caving in like the two face disloyal (and self interested) fuckers they are, the RIAA is about to find out who is trading what. See the Youtube decision? That’s the first punch in a fight that the RIAA is training to bring to your lap.

    So, ask this question. If all ZERO PAID did was share 200 songs, is your share total bigger than that?

    Do you like the idea of a $15,000 legal bill, and damages that will force you to declare bankruptcy?

    the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH.

  • the TRUTH

    Baka,

    How long will it take you to remove your head from the avalanche of sand that covers it presently?

    Come back here a year from now, and discuss.

    Meanwhile, dont say you weren’t warned. It is people like you who will be crying the loudest.

    If I were a lawyer interested in this, I’d start running ads:

    “I can defend your infringement case, and help you with bankruptcy, all for $15,000 upfront.”

    Which, isn’t a bad idea now, is it?

    the TRUTH

  • Dead Kennedy

    @the TRUTH

    It doesn’t matter what laws are created and what actions are taken, you cannot roll back to a time where personal computers don’t exist as they do now. It wouldn’t even matter that much if you dismantled the entire Internet so long as the computers remain. And by ‘computers’ you should be thinking broader than just desktop PCs as computers are in a great many devices these days.

    Laws are nothing without the power to enforce them and humans, as many species, are selfishly motivated. If you can find a way to control the technology then you might have a chance (good luck with that).

    You’d really like to believe that what you think is the TRUTH as that’s where you stand to gain the most. Is money a primary motive by anychance? ;)

  • napstergirl

    First of all, can we start with the fact that this is the zillionth time a major label, or more often the management of a band signed to a major label, has “leaked” a track to filesharing services? It’s become a standard marketing stunt; most often it’s done by manager or “street team” with the complete, although “secret”, approval of the label.

    What sucks with Buckcherry is, obviously, that they issued an anti-piracy quote in a press release after leaking the track themselves.

    This is a very different kind of hypocrisy than what 63/”the truth” (oh PLEASE) is trying to allege. If you think filesharing is wrong, great. It doesn’t make this Buckcherry stunt any LESS wrong.

    BTW it is amazing that Buckcherry are still signed after a batch of tanked albums and the cheesy Calvin Klein ad the singer did.

  • Jeff

    All their tracks deserved to be pulled
    from Torrent sites, bot because they
    may be infringing copyrights, but as
    spam. And they deserve to have 0 seeds
    and 0 peers on all their existing
    torrents.

  • Anonymous

    Not surprisingly, most of us won’t even download it when they’re giving it away for free.

  • Overcast

    Yes, EPIC fail, lol

  • #YLS#

    @ THE TRUTH

    Ok, here’s a simple fact lieing is a terrible thing in all aspects. Crime etc puts people in jobs…

    A man makes a software Virus, other man makes Anti-Virus software.

    Man robs wear house, other man is hired as a security guard.

    note none of those involved violence.

    Stealing a product is fair game, stealing a person’s diginity is wrong, lieing is stealing a person’s dignity in my eyes.

    Filesharing steals nothing I have around 100 albums sitting around, I counted the other day I’d only buy around 5 of them at the price of £10 the rest i probably wouldn’t even at £5.

    —-

    “Although I’d hold off and try to get them to reveal the evidence on what i’ve actually done first but still”

    Well I wouldn’t lie in a court of law but while I’m under investigation I still have, ‘The right to remain silent’. it’s a pretty standard piece you’ve heard before right?

  • Venom

    Now why isn’t the RIAA after that jerk off, after all he shared a song with a bunch of people.. Hmmm…

  • Anonymous

    If you’re going to “leak” on BT at least have the guts to admit it, and certainly don’t turn around and abuse the BT community over it. How devious, scummy, and hypocritical. As stated, leaks can only come from the inside anyway.

    But then, what kind of person would you expect would manage such a crap band, with such a clever take on Chuck Berry, whose music always left me puking anyhow, but Buck’s is far worse.

  • genieyclo

    FAIL.

  • evolvor

    Actually, (from Wikipedis)

    Buckcherry is a Grammy-nominated Los Angeles, California hard rock band formed in 1995….

    …and had a pretty successful previous album in 2006 with “15″, which had two top 10 hits.

    They don’t need your press, but you gave it to them anyway.

  • in.cog.nito

    hah hah fucking bandwagon faggots, someone should file lawsuit with them for doing this bullshit stunt

  • KEBO

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  • John

    Buckcherry is a bit weak… for some killer female-fronted death metal, check out http://www.psychobolia.com or http://www.myspace.com/psychobolia

  • mr plop

    F*ckcherry who?

  • the Truth

    # 80

    so you want BC management to admit what they did, and be upfront about it,

    while you worship cloaked and concealed file traders who dont own up via TRUTHFUL identity to what they are doing?

    what kind of double standard world do you want to live in? only the kind that benefits you?

    the power that ISPs have to turn your world into one of pain is real, and it is a power that is fast approaching reality.

    FWIW, I hate the labels more than most of you ever could – for personal reasons that run deeper than that they had the gall to sell lame music at $20 a cd in some stores. Or release music that is of little value. They rip off artists, and they add little to culture anymore. They have ruined much of what used to be cool about music.

    But I cant justify that as an excuse to steal.

    And neither, alas, do the courts. Which is why you find the Jammie Thomases of this world lying her ass off when caught. And the lawyers who are out there “advocating” against copyright infringement, are getting paid.

    By the way, who here knows who John Barlow is, and how did he obtain his wealth?

    Has anyone ever asked John why he doesn’t refund and return, or donate to charity, all the money he was paid by major labels?

  • the TRUTH

    OH, #78, how little logic you possess here:

    “lieing is a terrible thing in all aspects.”

    STEALING MUSIC BY CLOAKED AND DECEPTIVE TACTICS IS THE SAME MORAL FAULT AS LYING.

    YOU WANT TO COMMAND THAT OTHERS LIVE BY A MORAL CODE, START WITH LOOKING IN THE MIRROR.

    “Crime etc puts people in jobs…”

    I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU. HONEST BEHAVIOR ALSO PUTS PEOPLE IN JOBS. MORALLY, WHAT DO YOU PREFER?

    “Stealing a product is fair game, stealing a person’s diginity is wrong, lieing is stealing a person’s dignity in my eyes.”

    YOUR EYES ARE TRAINED TO IGNORE THE LACK OF MORALITY IN YOUR JUSTIFICATIONS.

    “Filesharing steals nothing I have around 100 albums sitting around, I counted the other day I’d only buy around 5 of them at the price of £10 the rest i probably wouldn’t even at £5.”

    IF YOU TOOK SOMEONE’S MUSIC WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION, IT IS STEALING. THE FACT YOU DONT VALUE THE COST OF IT, DOESN’T ELIMINATE THE FACT THAT YOU STOLE IT.
    IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU STOLE SOMETHING AND WERE IMMORAL. WHETHER THAT BOTHERS YOU, DETERMINES YOUR MORAL CHARACTER.

    IF YOU DONT VALUE IT, WHY DID YOU STEAL IT?

    IF YOU STOLE SOMETHING YOU DONT REALLY VALUE, ARE YOU PREPARED TO FEEL STUPID WHEN THE LAWSUIT COMES DOWN ON YOU?

    WHAT PART OF YOUR ANSWER ESCAPES SUCH STUPIDITY? IF YOU ARE GOING TO STEAL, AT LEAST STEAL SOMETHING YOU VALUE.

    THE ONLY LOGICAL ANSWER YOU CAN GIVE TO THAT ARGUMENT IS THAT “WELL, I WASN’T AT RISK, BECAUSE SO FEW PEOPLE ARE CAUGHT”

    OK, well the rules of enforcement are about to change, and your conduct for the past 3 years will be actionable at law. You realize, the risk
    ratio is about to explode, and not IN YOUR FAVOR.

    _________________________________

    “l I wouldn’t lie in a court of law but while I’m under investigation I still have, ‘The right to remain silent’. it’s a pretty standard piece you’ve heard before right?”

    IF YOU MEAN, HAVE I SEEN PEOPLE CONVICTED WHEN THE EVIDENCE SHOWS ME WHAT THEY DID?

    THE ANSWER IS YES.

    YOU WANT TO TAKE CHANCES ON HALF-BAKED IDEAS ABOUT WHAT WORKS WHEN YOU REALLY GET TO COURT, BY ALL MEANS, YOU HAV E THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. BUT OF COURSE, REMAINING SILENT IS ONLY SMART WHEN THE ALTERNATIVE IS WORSE, SUCH AS
    IF YOU TALK, YOU ARE EITHER GOI(NG TO LIE OR ADMIT WRONGDOING.

    DO YOU THINK JURIES DONT DELIBERATE ON THAT SAME BASIS? YOU”VE NEVER BEEN IN A JURY CASE BEFORE.

    If Jammie Thomas had taken that tactic, do you think the jury would have ruled in her favor?

    No. The jury would probably concluded,”If she had a good reason for all those files that she was caught with, she would have told us.”

  • geln

    buck who?

  • Vood99

    I wouldn’t d/l this band’s music for free. Waste of precious bandwidth. I suppose they were looking for free publicity when they pulled this stunt.

  • Haha

    buckcherry sucks. i don’t see why they’re complaining. nice way to get them tho.

  • cds

    yeah, um….Guns N’ Roses (Axl Rose) has been doing this for years.

  • memphisman

    I don’t know who buckcherry is, but,
    at least Indiana said that she isn’t agains file-sharing. She just said she thinks that torrent sites should share with the bands. Same thing as Fran Healy said from Travis. He thinks bands should still be paid when their music is played, but, he’s happy for a guy to share a song in a music blog.
    Buckcherry seem to be purposely leaking a song to get media attention.

  • #YLS#

    @ The TRUTH

    Being a criminal doesn’t make you dishonest at all, you say they go hand in hand, they don’t, you have a very black and white view of life, like all your points I might add.

    “I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU. HONEST BEHAVIOR ALSO PUTS PEOPLE IN JOBS. MORALLY, WHAT DO YOU PREFER?”

    care to give an example on a mass level? because simply if all crime stopped tomorrow you’d have an entire police force out of work, in the UK there’s high unemployment as it is what do you do with them? it becomes even more a paradox when you realise it’s the unemployed that’s likely to steal to make a wage.

    As for ‘Stealing for Nothing’ what I said was I WOULDN’T PAY WHAT THEY ASK, before I could download it I enjoied music but didn’t buy it I was a younger teen who couldn’t afford it, If it really comes to it I’ll go back to that way… so how they lost out really? there prices aren’t competitive there criminal.

    Maybe I’ll tell that one in court, I couldn’t give a crap. if you think downloading and stealing is wrong why are you here then?

  • pirated

    Well, to be honest I’ve known who they are for quite some time.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTRW7sGgiUE
    is one of the singles that I’ve heard on the radio plenty. So they are pretty widely known, at least around here. Some of the posts saying that they don’t know who they are sound like they’re from a different country anyway.

  • Klepto

    It’s a stupid butt rock band anyways.

    But to be fair, the manager might have done it without actually telling them.

  • scorekeeper

    @ #47 : On /any/ website you visit and do /anything/ on, assume that your visit there will be logged until the heat death of the universe. Even if they say they don’t log. Even if they say they delete their logs after 1 days. Even if they say they only keep logs for one month. Assume it’ll be stored forever. Act accordingly.

    The standard config of pretty much every HTTP server is to log every access and every IP. The easiest way to get the webserver set up is not to fiddle with the default settings or, hell, rotating logs. The easiest way to get some pretty graphed usage-statistics is to either use Google Analytics or run webalizer or some such on a logfile. This can be done incrementally, but even if you do it daily, why take the risk and delete noneaggregated logs right after ? Maybe webalizer broke and you want to fix it two days later. Better to keep the logs for a few days.

    A few days become a few weeks (monthly stats rock !) become a few years (“I have enough hdd space, it’s zipped anyway !” or the good ole “Whoops, the daily/weekly/monthly backup includes logs !”). I doubt Google ever deletes any logs of anything, ever. And if they do, I doubt they’ll actually be gone straight away … Just space flagged for reusability. Maybe it won’t be reused.

    If what you do on a website can land you in hot water and you like your water cold, don’t do it.

    Hell, “the TRUTH” is a blowhard manipulatie idiot, but he has a point in that BitTorrent is not anonymous, has not been designed to be anonymous, and will not be anonymous. As such anything you do on .torrent is conceivably loggable. Whether those logs are good as evidence or not is another matter, but with enough cash they can at least make you spend a whole lot of time on defending yourself and trying to get your lawyer costs back. Mission accomplished.

    As to whether a torrent website SHOULD log IPs … Most of them seem to think they are invincible and log forever. Most “private trackers” have IPs as one of their integral auth-tokens and those are saved forever (for stats, etc. … Some of them even nicely save all the torrents you downloaded, all torrents their tracker got a request for from you, how often, how much your client claimed it transferred, etc. Ad infinitum. After all, the bad stuff only happens to other people’s sites …)

    No, they shouldn’t log IPs. And I’d argue the point that you do NOT need IPs tied to specific actions saved at all beyond the duration of the connection, even for administrative measures (you can still firewall out IPs and netblocks without a direct record of whether they downloaded X, Y, or Z, or uploaded A, B, or C; and if you’re good, you will be able to use timed blocks that automatically and without any residue remove blocks after a cooldown period. However, all of this requires some thinking and planning. This is not good for the “I want it, and I want it NOW” crowd — many tracker operators belong to that group.

  • what a buncha tools

    The 3133t bit torrent users laughing at the band manager. Buckcherry is doing support on one of the bigger summer tours. If you listen to rock radio you have heard them but I’m sure that none of you are so common to have listened to such swill.

  • Gr33n3gg

    “This is outrageous!” “….Next time our manager should use better trackers”

  • Lightfoot

    All, listen to Social Distortion – forget about shenanigans – Enjoy LIFE

  • curiosity

    or maybe the band had no idea and the manager just did it on his own?

    if thats the case, its just another reason that artists should not even bother with record companies anymore. they are just going to get treated like shit.

  • knoba

    If this IP trail is legally provable, surely it provides a precedence that the fat cats have a motive to make fraudulent claims against the bit torrent community. Would this mean it is in-fact legal to download the buckcherry track?

  • trinsic

    Send him a shirt that reads “Pwned by BitTorrent”

  • r0ck

    Someone should just sue him for “making available” a illegitimate copy of a copyright protected work. And yeah, send him a shirt that says:
    BitTorrent: When viral marketing bites you in the ass!

  • FAMAS

    The Finnish ex-Stratovarius guitarist Timo Tolkki did something similar (“oh noes my master was “stolen” I hope it doesn’t end up on the internets!”) and it fucking sucked. This fucking sucks as well and is a complete turn-off for me. No way I’m even giving this band a try. Using file sharing as a marketing tool is great IF YOU’RE HONEST ABOUT IT YOU PRICKS.

  • kdsde

    @47 Jul 31, 2008 at 17:49 by Pirate

    #97 already said what is essential to know about logging of IP data.

    You note that:
    “[...]I’m not so sure such information go down so well for endusers though if, say, one’s hardware were ever to be confiscated by the authorities.”

    Please make yourself aware that the Bittorrent technology was NOT designed with designgoals in mind for doing illegal things like copyrightinfringement.
    The BT system spits out your IP to god and the world and everybody that can download a dot-torrent file.
    So making sure that “they” will get no evidence from your harddrive is a “must do” when you intend to be a pirate!
    google “true crypt” as a minimum before starting/continuing your career as pirate of the internets.

  • The King of It!

    Buckcherry suck soooo bad, they try to fool the kids into thinking they’re cool. But kids ain’t dumb, listen to Buckcheesy and realise “Hey! this band is awful…next!”

    ha-ha-ha.

  • Pirate

    @scorekeeper

    Really appreciate your post.

    First thing is I totally agree with much of what you wrote. I too am well aware net services can and often do log a lot of information about usage and that the only person I can ever rely on to protect my own interests is me.

    The only part I don’t particularly agree with is: “If what you do on a website can land you in hot water and you like your water cold, don’t do it.” as to me you’re suggesting never utilising any service whose use could potentially come around to haunt you at a future date. It need not necessarily be related to uploading metadata relating to copyrighted works via file-sharing services, it could as much be the visiting of politically sensitive websites, or use of any ‘grey area’ site or service (eg. wikileaks) with a potential to attract a hostile response from opposing interests. I would think it prudent for such particularly sensitive services to exercise a reasonable degree of responsibility for the protection of its users interests as weighed against self. I don’t believe it’s fair to expect users have a level of knowledge and understanding of the potential implications of their actions as an excuse to abdicate responsibility for operating on their behalf.

    I’m pretty tech savvy myself so I know much of this. I know many of the implications. But I think it’s an irresponsible attitude for torrent websites to expect the average user to understand, and it’s those users that make these services what they are. They should look out for them than exploit their ignorance, or are they just to be seen as useful idiots who should probably wise up?

    @kdsde

    Drop the insolence. I know you’d like to believe I’m just some punk little kid who knows fuck-all, but you’d be wrong. This isn’t about me, it’s about your users. This is about torrent websites demonstrating sound principles in the way that they operate. I do not see that you have a need than self-serving interest to retain such data on users, or if you believe that you do then I’d like to hear why and for what you would use it for than acts as demonstrated here. What happened here between TorrentFreak and [unnamed website] was an abuse of power made able by an unnecessary data retention policy. Authorities can do exactly the same thing with your data against anyone, why hand it to them on a plate?

    This is just my opinion. Do what you want to do, of course. I just know that if I were in the position of operating an equivalent public service I like to think I would be taking seriously the privacy of the userbase, above and beyond that of my own desires.

    As for “Pirate” as a nickname. Maybe it’s true that I’d just like to think I’m a 31337 pirat0r? Or, maybe, not having a nickname to hand before posting, I’d ponder utilisation of the nick “Pirate” as an expression of which side I fall in an effort to preempt any calls of being a shill, or anti-p2p, or…? But you believe what you want. For the record I’m nothing more than a casual file-sharer with an interest in the subject.

  • aa

    Look at it this way: this band is so bad they **literally couldn’t give their music away** without fucking the process up.

  • Fukkit

    For every buckcherry album sold we will drown a kitten.

  • the TRUTH

    #47 – Unlike the common fool around
    here, you’re not completely on crack, I’ll grant that much.

    You know some of what you’re talking about. Enough to make yourself dangerous, especially to yourself.

    AS TO THIS NEXT COMMENT, HOWEVER YOUR HEAD IS SO FAR UP YOUR ASS, YOU ARE ABLE TO ENJOY AN UP CLOSE VIEW OF LAST NIGHT’S DINNER.

    _______________________

    @ #47 : Whether those logs are good as evidence or not is another matter, but with enough cash they can at least make you spend a whole lot of time on defending yourself and trying to get your lawyer costs back. Mission accomplished.

    ______________________

    KEEP FEEDING YOURSELF ALL THE FEEL GOOD PROPAGANDA YOU WANT.

    I really get a chuckle over how many torrent users think the law, the facts, and the system will continue to protect them. Hahaaha.

    First, as far as my own personal interests are concerned, since your lawyer wont be a public defender, and your legal trouble won’t be taken out of my taxes, that ends any reason I have to care about what you do.

    Second, NO, IT IS NOT “ANOTHER MATTER”. Given your habits, you should take about 1 hour of your remaining time on earth to review what constitutes admissible evidence. Business records kept in the course of normal business affairs are used at trial every day. This is an evidentiary rule applied in any jurisdiction using US law.

    All a half-ass trial lawyer needs to do is lay an evidentiary foundation. If you want an idea how that will happen, go review the court’s ruling against Google/
    Yahoo, and see for yourself. Logs
    are discoverable, and once they are turned over, bye bye to all privacy.
    You’ll get to try to win the Jammie Thomas Sweepstakes yourself!

    Third, you wont get your lawyer’s fees back. Do you actually expect to show, once your data is revealed by logs, that the case against you is in BAD FAITH? That’s the standard
    you are up against. Harsh, but there it is.

    Fourth, you aren’t any more secure than your weakest link, and the weak link you have, is you have to log on to use the internet. Never
    mind the soon-to-be squealers who, begging for leniency, will turn over their own torrent evidence during plea negotiations. Or as soon as the court puts a contempt order in front of their face.

    Fifth, in general, disruptive behavior gets about a decade of mostly FREE lunch on the law. It takes that much time for the law to catch up and weave itself into a position of trustworthy enforcement.
    To date, primitive defenses have hung up content owners. Courts are hesitant to crack down on abuses of new technology, until the legal community feels that enough warning and notice has circulated. In the years ahead, 2008 will be viewed as the turning point in this framework.

    You guys just don’t believe it, yet.
    And really, why should you? One thing about getting away with something for so long. You become convinced you’ll never get caught.

    Whether that’s a safe assumption going forward, you’ll have to decide for yourself.

    Cut to the chase. The prosecutions being planned have a far different degree of accuracy than anything you’ve seen to date. If you think content owners are just going to let the copyright mayhem continue, well then, as I said before, KEEP FEEDING YOURSELF ALL THE FEEL GOOD PROPAGANDA YOU WANT.

    I’ll be back at this site, same time next summer, and we’ll enjoy a little more bonding then. Or maybe not, as you may be court-barred from getting online ever again. The ISPs are not going to eat the costs of liabilities for infringement. Because of the stakes at play, the whole movement ahead has already been planned and plotted.

    I guess to some, that makes me a manipulative idiot. By all means, enjoy that accusation. It wont help get you out of trouble, but it may provide some level of comfort as you carry on with illegal behavior.

  • kdsde

    108 Aug 03, 2008 at 18:13 by Pirate

    first of all since you state in your above mentioned reply “it’s about your users. ” let me restate the content of my usual disclaimer: I’m not a spokesperson for any website. All I say or do publicly under my handle kdsde I do in my capacity as an interested netizen that obviously infringes copyrights like many others too and NOT on behalf of TPB, its owners or any other website!

    second, I find it insulting that you claim you know what I like to believe.

    Unless you are the operator of the little marcian chip in my brain you certainly can not know anything about my believes.
    You claiming otherwise is very arrogant I think.

    Regarding the substance of your reply:

    I can absolutely not see any insolence in the fact that I mention some basic design facts about the bittorrent system/protocol and what someone that want to use it to do stuff that is currently deemed illegal should observe as prerequesite before starting his “pirate career”.
    If you were already aware of the “flaws” in BT and the stuff I mentioned, then excuse that I repeated something you alreay knew!

    For one thing (other then you) do I know nothing about your believes or your knowledge regarding specific topics.
    So If you are one of those strange people that consider it insulting or think it borders on insolence when someone repeatedly tells them something they already know, then your feelings are simply misplaced.
    For another thing even if I had positive knowledge about your state of experience/knowledge regarding BT, I a) never consider the repeating of Information as a subtextual insult to the intelligence or learning capability of the persons I speak too (teachers have a habit to repeat stuff over and over again, so excuse me) and b) I wrote my answer not only with you as reciever in mind but every other guy that reads the comments here that might not be aware of the flaws of BT so far too.

    You wrote:
    “What happened here between TorrentFreak and [unnamed website] was an abuse of power made able by an unnecessary data retention policy.”
    How do you come to that conclusion?
    First of all, Ernesto wrote “With some help of a user in the community, we tracked down some of the initial seeders of the torrent. A BitTorrent site insider was kind enough to help us out, because BitTorrent is not supposed to be “abused” like this, and confirmed that the IP of one of the early seeders did indeed belong to the person who uploaded the torrent file.”

    I don’t see any “abuse of power” here: I (in my capability as a pirate, not as MOD of a torrentsite using MODtools) can for example run an RSS feed on new uploads that my Client will automaticly fetch. Voila, I get the IP of the first seeder served on a silver plate from the tracker right the moment the torrent becomes public. Telling god and the world this infos would be “abuse of power” in what way? Btw, antip2p outfits operate exactly the same way. They call this fancy “early leak detection”.
    You have any information that Ernesto got his data in any other way then described right now?

    you further wrote:
    “Authorities can do exactly the same thing with your data against anyone, why hand it to them on a plate?

    This is just my opinion. Do what you want to do, of course. I just know that if I were in the position of operating an equivalent public service I like to think I would be taking seriously the privacy of the userbase, above and beyond that of my own desires.”

    What I read in the first sentence framed as a question is that you imply that someone is handing authorities data on a plate.
    Can you backup that “accusation” or do you just want to spread FUD?!
    (Of course if you were refering to someones ISP here and not to “[unnamed website]” then you are right of course and not a FUD spreader. And I excuse myself for accusing you of being one!)

    With your following sentences about your knowledge I read from them that you want to imply that someone that is operating a tracker does NOT take the privacy of the userbase seriously!

    As said I’m not a spokesperson for any tracker, but what I know from publicly know stuff is that for example the biggest tracker TPB had all their servers stolen by police some time ago now, and NOT one of the users seems to have gotten in trouble with police as a result of that “server leak”. So I guess it is safe to beleive what the owners of TPB stated that they do not have logs of uploaders.
    What I on the other hand know from a “semi private” Tracker named oink is that uploaders got in trouble after the server was leaked into police hands.
    Now as pointed out earlier such an incident must NOT mean that they had logs and that there was something going on that you like to call “abuse of power”. It could simply mean that the BPI did exactly what everybody can do in the BT system namely grabbing the IP of the first uploader from the freely touted out swarm infos!

    But given your other statements regarding “exploiting their ignorance”, “useful idiots” and the fact that you don’t particularly agree with one of the core advises that scorekeeper gave the readers of these comments, I guess it is safe to say you just wanted to spread FUD or just besmirch “[unnamed website]” with your posts.

  • Goobi

    And here we are promoting the artist again. I guess his plan is working!

  • doug

    I think this falls on management. The band has been on the road for the past year, and they have sold over 1.2 million albums. I think the label is behind this 100%.

  • steve

    ya that josh guy sounds like a GAY !! what a fagget to leak there song! you suck josh…. and go lick a cock

  • modchristisasoreloser

    total pricks. total apes.
    hey you loser get a clue
    i’m bitching behind your back. lol

    shit mate im referring to a mod at demonoid who abuse thier power
    power corrupt all, corrupt obsolutely

  • modnamechristisasoreloser

    total pricks. total apes.
    hey you loser get a clue
    i’m bitching behind your back. lol

    mate im referring to a mod at demonoid who abuse thier power
    power corrupt all, corrupt obsolutely

  • Melted Metal Web Radio

    BuckCherry was not thinking about their label, or their sales. They knew that they would make nothing from the release unless it sells at least 300,000 units, and that with the serious lack of tour support from Atlantic they would have a poorly financed tour. But, they ‘do’ know one thing- that their bread and butter is completely reaped on the road. My guess is that their label, Atlantic Records, knew nothing about the leak source, and that the band was just looking out for themselves.

    Bill Wilkins, CEO
    Melted Metal Web Radio
    http://www.meltedmetal.com/

  • Pirate

    @kdsde

    For brevity I’ll try to keep the following as simple as possible;

    How is it that TF can call on bittorrent site insiders for information on users for the purposes of initiating a private investigation?

    Which BitTorrent site is storing initial seed information and for what purpose?

    I’d be surprised if you didn’t recognise some concerning implications surrounding these questions.

  • Bullets and Octane

    See, now I love Buckcherry, have done since their first (and by far best) album, but they always seem to come across as arrogant d**ks, and not in the cool rock n roll way either.

    Oh well, the song is s**t anyway. Hopefully the rest of the albums better

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