BitTorrent Anime Downloaders Identified, $3500 Bill in the Mail
Written by enigmax on August 16, 2007A company that distributes Japanese animated cartoons has tracked down thousands of BitTorrent users it accuses of breaching their copyrights and has successfully forced their ISPs to reveal their identities. Next step - threatening letters: “Pay Us $3,500 or Else”
Odex Pt. Ltd is a Singapore-based company that distributes anime in South East Asia. Created in 1998 it started distributing anime in 2000, later with titles such as Bleach, Fullmetal Alchemist, Mobile Suit Gundam and Chrono Crusade.
In 2007 a decision was made in the company to start targeting people who share their material via BitTorrent after they claimed their sales had dropped 60-70 percent in just 2 years. After using a tracking system to collect the IP addresses of sharers, they have successfully forced StarHub - an internet service provider - to reveal the identities of 1000 BitTorrent users they accuse of breaching their copyrights. It had previously forced the ISP SingNet to reveal its customers details.
In all fairness, StarHub did put up a fight to keep the privacy of its users but it was little use. According to StarHub spokesman Michael Sim, although the company originally said they had “an obligation to protect our customers’ information”, the pressure from the courts was too great. A court order against StarHub was obtained in a closed chamber session in the Subordinate Court which forces them to hand over their customer’s details.
“In the instance of Odex,” said Sim, “they have satisfied the court of their need for the information. As such, we will comply with the court order”
The next step for Odex is a familiar one to file-sharers: they will use the list of names that StarHub supplies to send them threatening letters(pdf) declaring that they’ve been caught sharing anime, such as the hugely popular ‘Bleach’, and that the only alternative to being dragged through the courts, is to pay a $3000-plus ‘fine’. Not that they’ll have much time to think about the next step - Odex gives around 9 days for a response before it threatens legal action.
According to Stephen Sing (a director of Odex) the “downloading situation” in Singapore is very bad: “We have engaged companies to track illegal downloads in Singapore, and ratio-wise, we’re actually right up there in the illegal downloads in the world, in terms of Japanese animation.”
Interestingly, Stephen Sing is also a director of the AVPAS - Anti Video Piracy Association of Singapore and has become very, very unpopular. Just after the Odex anti-BitTorrent campaign began, Mr Sing made the mistake of using an online forum to joke about how many sharers he was taking action against, and the guys over at HardwareZone caught him at it, via their dedicated (Official) Anti-Odex Club.
Mr Sing has been dubbed ‘the most hated main in Singapore’s anime community’, with anime fans putting up his photographs and personal information onto the internet, making wanted posters of him, posting pictures of his wife on the internet, threatening him with violence and promising to set fire to his house. At this point, Sing called in the police.
Next ISP on the Odex hit-list is Pacific Internet - if they win, that’s another 1000 BitTorrent users about to get threatening letters and demands for $3000 - thats 3000 users in total.
Should everyone pay up, Odex stands to collect a massive $9 million. No wonder the death-threats didn’t deter Mr Sing.
Previously: Anti-Piracy Lobby Pressures Police to Take On The Pirate Bay
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97 Responses
I download stuff and I wouldn’t be too amused to get caught and fined with hundreds of dollars.
But I know the risk and I do understand the industry. I’m not for a market where entertainment is free, it wouldn’t work.
These people getting pissed just because Odex has gotten tired of pirates is funny.
“with anime fans putting up his photographs and personal information onto the internet, making wanted posters of him, posting pictures of his wife on the internet, threatening him with violence and promising to set fire to his house.”
solution:
dont download from public sites…
or use peergaurdian to protect ur ip from evil companies :)
[quote comment="147747"]solution:
dont download from public sites…
or use peergaurdian to protect ur ip from evil companies :)[/quote]
I’m sure the anti-piracy companies also monitor private sites and PeerGuardian won’t protect you 100% …
Go buy an Relakks account https://www.relakks.com/ as safe as you can get atm.
http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/rehashplus/post.htm?id=63000177
Wow Odex you finally made yourself famous! Foreign sites are even now reporting the idiocy of your damn company which cheat Singaporeans into buying your lousy, fansubbed ripped-off products.
Options:
1. pay $3000
2. goto court
3. you live in Northern-Europe and tell them to fuck off
i’ll pick…hmm…hmm…oh boy, this is hard…..3?
Europe 8)
A revenue of 9 million without doing anything. Now that’s craponomics in progress.
so is anybody actually paying those 3000$???
c’mon, you just have to laugh at those…seriously…that guy is a joke :D
Posting from singapore here..
Its not that they are wrong to catch pirates. Its just that they themselves(odex) has not been producing good quality animes as compared to those fansub. And of course, those who want higher quality will get from fansubs, which has lesser grammar mistakes and better picture quality.
They are many who paid but some minority just resist and wanting to go to court.
And they have even sued a 9 year old boy for downloading. What is the world coming to?
You decide.
routers?
I just read an article that here in Finland a guy has actually been arrested of showing some movie to his friends and he has to pay aroud 20€ fine…
And this case in newest since finish BitTorrent site “Finreactor” was shutted down in 2005.
And the funny thing is that they was demand over 60,000€ fine, but they only had to pay…less then 500€…
Life is a bit different aroud the world…but its changing worse…
I download loads of anime every day and until now I never heard of anyone getting busted for free sharing :/
At least anime is legal to some degree.
Snag the hell out of art sponges and free-sending nimrods, all… heavily fine their fricking intestines clean… and then maybe, just maybe, making a living in the arts will be possible for the 99.9% percent in the field who struggle.
I know you slept with XYZ, but if you pay me 3.5K, I’ll destroy the evidence and not pursue the case. I have photographs to prove you did so.
I will understand him if he had targeted PEOPLE(above 20, who work and gets paid) instead of children, I mean come on, you expect every 12 year old kid on the planet to fully know about copyright and stuff? Charging them 3k? Seriously, at least give them a warning first or charge them for less, like you know 100 bucks.
Nice article, however, you forgot to mention the death threats he claimed were actually taken out of context from a very childish screenshot of a movie.
“Mr Sing made the mistake of using an online forum to joke about how many sharers he was taking action against,”
He commented on the local news media that the gloating comments were made a couple of months ago, where it in fact had been made on the 1st of August, making it more like a couple of weeks ago.
Word for word, where do you think this guy’s integrity stands?
someone mentioned peerguardian…
it won’t do jack when it comes to hiding your ip. all it does is prevent targeted ips from downloading from you. they could still see your ip when they load up the torrent
Integrity? I doubt he has even heard of the word.
I agree with the one who said kids should at least be charged less or get a warning.
Fansubs are way better quality. They do correct translations, dont misspell English, have a nice, legible font, and arent off-sync (both the subs or the voices.) Maybe if those companies actually put effort into their subs, they might get better sales. And not just for this company, Im talking about all the anime companies out there.
Is that the same Stephen Sing the Child Pornographer who is sympathetic to Al-Queda and said he hates the Singapore Government and wants to see them overthrown?
This guys sounds dangerous. I hope the Singaporean Government locks him up.
A fansub is that person’s property. Either they bought it and subbed it or they illegally downloaded and subbed it, either way it is THEIRS, they did the work of subbing it. You cannot claim infringement on property that is not even yours. By subbing it they are changing it entirely. Now if someone is downloading Odex’s subs without paying that is illegal, but I really don’t see how they can get away with saying something they did not sub (the fansub) is their property.
I had a co worker work for a law firm that collected money. Its a scare tactic. nothing else. They have to prove YOU did it, because all they have is an IP number. Just deny everything and the worst that can happen is your net is shut off. All someone had to do was state the fact they cannot prove anything and they were taken off the list.
Use Rapidshare. Forget Torrents.
I dunno why people use torrents.
Probably becuz Rapidshare gets its thing from users who donwload them using torrents and then upload it over there.
Odex doesn’t even put out dvds or use good translations. They put out crap vcds. Who the hell puts out vcds? Maybe if they ran their business in a better way they wouldn’t have such a problem. Of course people are gonna illegal download, but the things Odex puts out I wouldn’t take for free let alone buy.
Is that 3500USD or 3500 Singaporean Dollars?
I don’t have to worry about anything since I’m in Sweden ;)
[quote comment="148036"]Is that 3500USD or 3500 Singaporean Dollars?
I don’t have to worry about anything since I’m in Sweden ;)[/quote]
3000 to 9000 sing dollar…
It seems like the majority of posters here are forgetting that piracy is illegal …
…. and it seems like the majority of posters like you here are forgetting that they should shut the fuck up …
Singaporean here as well. As far as i know, there are no releases of Bleach with english subs here. They’re all in chinese. So they honestly shouldn’t be going after people who download bleach with english subs cause its not like they sell them anyway.
[quote comment="148048"]It seems like the majority of posters here are forgetting that piracy is illegal …[/quote]
Everything is legal till you get caught…
The majority of japanese anime is not licensed at the time of airing and will not be available retail in US/Europe for months or even years after.
There is a grey area because for all intents and purposes, the program doesn’t exist outside the broadcast region. So it’s fair game until a company buys the rights and releases it internationally, and most fansubber groups will cease distribution once a show is confirmed to be licensed. That still won’t stop people from making a text or subtitle file for a raw recording though.
Having someone’s IP Address doesn’t mean squat. It doesn’t mean anything in court, or anywhere else. Sing could make just stuff up: that’s an old scam. Prove otherwise. In the US the RIAA has had their asses whipped because NAT means you can’t match an IP address with a particular user in a world of dynamic IP addresses and open wireless nets.
Sorry your Anime business if failing Sing because of your crappy low quality subs but suing a half dozen people won’t do you any good.
You reap what you sow, and thanks to your gloating everyone knows who you are. Here’s a hint: If you book at a restaurant, do it in a false name or you might get a little present in your dinner.
I still don’t understand why people consider fansubbing a bad thing. First of all, if a renowned group like dattebayo or shinsen-subs decide to fansub your work, you should feel renowned and proud that those famous groups are going to fansub your work. Second of all, fansubbing an anime improves the anime’s popularity greatly, even if the anime sucks, it still will get a little bit of popularity boost. Also, why do you think people buy so much anime dvd when they can just download it off the internet? Because on peer networks like BT and limewire, things are only seeded/uploaded while they are popular, after the dvd comes out or around that time, it is almost impossible to find the anime on peer sharing networks. To conclude, fansubbing isn’t that bad, instead of looking at its bad side, look at the benefits.
I’d like to point out that most of these fan-subs being downloading are recorded from TV, if it’s DVD rips then it’s a different story, but getting sued for something that is freely available on TV for anyone to record is ridiculous.
Meanwhile Odex has been licensing every anime they can to gain a monopoly, and they mostly release old shows, badly subbed in VCD quality. There had also had been suspicions about them using fan subbers work before they started fleecing all these people.
They don’t care about distributing quality product, now they have this cash cow they’ll reap as much money from it as they can.
That ShIT Sing Fak up ! I am pity on you Singaporeans, well this kind of action soon will be emulated in Malaysia 1 day.
However, what is wrong with sharing movies with frens on the internet?
I just downloaded Hide IP Platinium just to be sure…
So now i have:
1. Changed MAC address
2. Hide IP Platinium
3. PeerGuardian 2
so it will be pretty hard to track me…and also, couse i can anytime change my IP address just pressing CTRL + Q,so noone can say some IP was mine…
And i really hope that peoples understands the fack that you cant be judges by your IP address, so dont pay!
most_uniQue
You do understand that none of those measures does anything to protect you when downloading? Only a tunnel that moves all your data via another IP and a script blocker would make you safer.
What you have:
1. Well this helps some if someone already recorded your mac and is after you.
2. Only helps on webpages and you will still be vulnerable to scripts.
3. PG2 only stops people from connecting to you, you don’t become invisible.
yea i know that i’m not invisible, but those helps…
sure you can get more something but it would probably be harder to set…
so this is good inaf for me…
but the thing that i can change my ip helps if someone would accuse me refering to my ip address…
But fackt is you cant accuse anyone just with IP so doesnt matter
Well people… There is a solution =D Go simlim tower and buy some Hidemyip software. DDL or IRC the anime you want! Do not use BT now unless unlicense anime=X
I do not see how you being able to change this IP that shows when you surf the web will affect anything.
Scenario:
You go download anime.torrent. Your REAL-IP shows. Your PG2 does nothing as they can still see you. You get a letter with your name and REAL-IP on. Are you then going to say, well my “real” IP is this other one I get from hidemyip?
This would only help if you’re posting threats or other stuff that might be illegal on webpages. I would go as far as to say, you’re not 1% safer with all the things you’ve done then before you did them.
But I do agree that you can’t really prove who used the computer at the given time. Even if you know who’s paying for the internet you can’t prove who used it, at least not with only an IP.
As I tried to explain in an above post get yourself VPN through Relakks and you’re a 100% anon. No seed loss, your own ISP won’t even be able to see what you’re doing coz the connection between you and Relakks is encrypted.
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$3000 for a fucking cartoon??? they can fuck right off!
[quote]couse i can anytime change my IP address just pressing CTRL + Q,so noone can say some IP was mine…[/quote]
Your ISP probably records what IP was used by who at what time. Changing it won’t change that. Someone records what IP they found uploading or downloading something at what time and your ISP knows who it was :P
“$3000 for a fucking cartoon??? they can fuck right off!”
It’s not the value of the cartoon. It’s the severity of the crime. $3,000 bucks is chump change in big picture of legal litigation.
And I’m getting kinda tired of people claiming teens don’t know what they’re doing is illegal. Who here really believes the plugged in generation of now isn’t completely informed? Hell, the younger you are, the more you should know better!
So does that means that only ppl who download from bittorrent have a gd chance of getting the dreaded letter and having to pay a fine?
[QUOTE]It’s not the value of the cartoon. It’s the severity of the crime. $3,000 bucks is chump change in big picture of legal litigation.[/QUOTE]
While it is the right of companies to get paid for their work, it is not the right of companies to earn as much as their target sales figures at any cost.
It troubles me when logic like this is used to justify “punitive damages” and “lost sales”, which can be arbitarily declared. I do not believe the punitive value of an anime series is $10,000 per episode - this would assume that greater than the population of Singapore, 4 million people, will benefit from each download at the expense of the company, when it clearly isn’t possible.
Even $3000-$5000 is a stretch, and assumes you’ve taken over a full theatre and shown the fansub there.
Respect through fear, unfortunately, works. Not that it will cow everyone under the sun, but it works.
LOL are you freaking kidding me? so the cause of all this chaos started from a little Singing noob reporting people on a regular basis? thank god im not in singapore. i hope his comp gets D-6′ed
These guys obviously haven’t seen a 4kids dub.
Let me first say this is rediculous! Secondly I am not entirely against companies coming after people who trade in their bootleg works. I AM however against the rediculous fines they charge. Come on 3,000 bucks for anime, when will the courts start to protect the consumers from over zealous and outrageous claims of loss. Why not just charge them the fee they lose buy not having the episode bought from them plus maybe a little administration fee. When you take into account that their most expensive box set of dvd quality shows is roughly 30 bucks well where do they justify the extra 2700???? SERIOUSLY!
ridiculous, just hope this wont spread to different part of the worlds.
[quote comment="148083"]
Everything is legal till you get caught…[/quote]
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“While it is the right of companies to get paid for their work, it is not the right of companies to earn as much as their target sales figures at any cost.
It troubles me when logic like this is used to justify “punitive damages” and “lost sales”, which can be arbitarily declared. I do not believe the punitive value of an anime series is $10,000 per episode - this would assume that greater than the population of Singapore, 4 million people, will benefit from each download at the expense of the company, when it clearly isn’t possible.
Even $3000-$5000 is a stretch, and assumes you’ve taken over a full theatre and shown the fansub there.
Respect through fear, unfortunately, works. Not that it will cow everyone under the sun, but it works.”
But see, I’m not talking about a unit cost here. (Though in defense of your arguement, the company in question might be. The article isn’t detailed enough for me to tell.)
I’m talking about a fee for the crime itself. Kind of like wether you dump a whole bucket of paper or just one, the fine for litering is the same.
Again, I have no clue how these laws play out in Singapore just this post (like the rest of them) is pure speculation.
Peace!
For those who keep harping on fansubs being illegal and such, just a reminder that this has become more than an intellectual property issue. It’s about business ethics and online privacy.
So uhm.. let me get this straight.. they gave the IP adresses and whatnot to a company that distributes anime on VCDs with shitty quality and bad/chinese subtitles?
First of all it sounds pretty much like bootleg to me even if it isnt, second of all shouldnt the company who sues people for downloading actually be the copyright owner and not a damn distributor?
“I’m talking about a fee for the crime itself. Kind of like wether you dump a whole bucket of paper or just one, the fine for litering is the same.”
However, this crime doesn’t leave a physical impact - unlike, say, littering. Or stuffing up a toilet bowl.
Nor is it stealing, solely because the original shop STILL HAS ITS PRODUCT.
Companies litigating for “lost sales” implies that it is their right to “have customers”, which is DEBATABLE. Whatever happened to consumer choice and discretion? Why is it law that the customer must satisfy a company, and not the other way round?
Any campaign must demonize its opponents to have any effect. This one is no different.
Someone should shot Stephen Sing in the head.
“Someone should shot Stephen Sing in the head.”
No. That would be wrong. Instead someone should jack off into his noddle soup, and put the video him drinking it on YouTube. His photos are all over Singapore now.
Odex doesn’t hold the copyrights to the shows, but they have created a so-called industry watchdog, AVPAS, and got several Japanese studios to join it. However, none of these studios have representatives here, and neither are the other distributors or anime broadcasters. The watchdog also shares the same address as Odex.
Even if the shows are not licensed to Odex, Odex is claiming that they’re cracking down illegal downloaders on the behalf of these AVPAS studios.
Let’s not forget that this is Singapore when talking about legalities and such. I’m not too familiar with Singapore law, but given the fact that a distributor of Japanese cartoons so easily obtained through court private IP addresses directly from the internet service provider no less, I’d say that the atmosphere over there isn’t the most consumer friendly.
“Well, we believe we suffered this much damage as a result of illegal activity on the defendant’s part, but have no way to stastically affirm this, nor can we prove a correlation between the defendant’s activities and our ’speculated’ losses… But we think you should listen to us anyway, because we’re rich enough to buy out at least 48 senators. Resistance is futile.”
;)
right now um in ksa
n um gonna b moving to states soon cuz half my family is there
so if i download torrents in the states [movies games animes,etc]
i should expect a lawsuit???????
like i’ll get charged just cuz um downloiading torrents??
[sumbosdy plz reply... pretty imp question if um gonna b thorn into jail for watching stuffs i wouldn bother watching if i had to pay for it...]
i’m trying to understand how downloading fansubs is illegal. anime was released in japan for free over tv - those people who created the anime earned their keeps through tv commercials. by the time the anime is aired, they have been paid for their good work. once aired, people should be free to share any recordings of the program they did. suppose i’m japanese and i record the entire series of an anime. if i share these recordings with a friend, is that illegal? and suppose i know of a friend outside japan who likes animes, and out of goodwill i sub the recordings and share them with him. how is that morally unacceptable?
Did anyone see that photo on 4chan of Stephen Sing doing it with a goat? Photoshop or not he should be careful. You can get arrested for that in Singpore!
@lordluan: They reair on tv and release dvds. That’s why.
“…successfully forced their ISPs to reveal their identities. …”
how much money is going do the ISP.. i wonder…
There are tons of these downloaders who wouldn’t be downloading and watching all that anime if it wasnt free anyways. Mostly teens i’d presume. Anyway, the ratio of p2p downloaders is actually negligible. Maybe the market is bad and this is the only way left to make money for odex. Use the law against the people that was meant to protect them *shrug*
@most unique
I just downloaded Hide IP Platinium just to be sure…
So now i have:
1. Changed MAC address
2. Hide IP Platinium
3. PeerGuardian 2
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WTF!?!?! This is BT!!! n00b, do u know how COMMON BT PORTS ARE!?!?! even if u change ur external ip, it still gets fowarded to ur ip your isp issues u, oh and bt ports are soo distinctive because of the bandwidth they use.. all your isp needs to do is finger your ip and look at your “abnormal” bandwidth usage and viola! see that? TCP/UDP incoming outgoing data streams ahh.. :D :D dead meat! Solution, use direct download, tunnel ports and proxies, ssh connections.. blah blah blah.. and use TOR, dont use bt!
Well hardly anyone buys from Odex cos it’s terrible quality. In the age of DVDs, they’re selling VCDs, with really shitty encoding, bad subbing (and even worse dubbing) and to top it off, sometimes missing the inclusion of the English language all together.
Other than that, does anyone know whether its possible to route
Can someone write to the distributor from japan or the actual anime production house? or even their marketer? and complain about the poor quality of Odex’s work and suggest to revoke their sole distributor’s rights? so Odex got no more reason to sue?
Will this help? Can someone actually try doing it?
hey, thats a good idea, maybe if a whole bunch of use do it then there is that possibility that odex can go fck themself with a spoon! whats odex’s website? i wanna “feedback”… need more info before email-ing you-know-who…
ODEX SUCK
Just to clear up some things…
Yes, downloading is illegal, however, the point here is that Odex has no right to sue downloaders, simply because they do not own the actual licenses or the product itself.
Now if the japanese production houses were to start suing people, that would be an entirely different story. And if they did that, even people downloading unlicensed/unsubbed anime would be in trouble. However, that’s not happening yet.
Next, from a business point of view, what Odex is doing is utterly foolish, since they are killing their own business.
Sure, some may argue that it isn’t foolish, since most downloaders do not buy from Odex anyway, so it doesn’t affect things much, but those same people have ignored the fact that Odex’s products, in a word, SUCK.
And then another group of people are arguing that if everyone starts boycotting Odex over this issue, then there would be no anime distributor in Singapore (since Odex would collapse).
In my opinion, good riddance. If I wanted to buy anime DVDs (who the hell still buys VCDs), I would order good quality ones from overseas, so whether Odex survives or not, I don’t give a fucking damn (pardon my language).
Yep i fully agree ….and i reali hope that singnet n starhub would appeal and fight back odex..since pac.net had won….Lets hope that Odex falls =.=
Fansubbers shld burn their subs on DVD and sell for a small sum on ebay! Don’t think ppl can be caught that way. Plus it’s like 26 eps in a disc +/- and it cost like $0.50 or less for a DVD RW and maybe $3 for postage. I would personally pay $3.50 for a whole series on ebay rather than buying Odex’s crappy stuff.
Hmm…btw…just thinking…
If Odex is, quoting the judge ruling the pacnet case, “neither a copyright owner nor an ‘exclusive licensee’”, and on top of that not a government body, does that make their “sniffing”/tracking of ppl’s ip address using some software that they acquired illigal??? Can ppl who have their ip address “sniffed” out hold a case against them? If they do not have the right to acquire other ppl’s ip address, like every other laymen, and internet dealings, doesn’t it make them criminals?
[quote comment="148048"]It seems like the majority of posters here are forgetting that piracy is illegal …[/quote]
Priracy IS illegal, but let’s not forget that the downloaded items are taken from TV recordings which is not considered illegal.
Furthermore, all of the subs have explicitly said that the sub versions are for free. Further more, the true fans (of which are many and from personal expericnce) are more than happy to pay for good quality-subbed anime AFTER watching downloaded ones. Odex has failed badly in the area of subbing. The anime-community is NOT stupid.
I think the heart of the matter is this:
When does an item become ‘illegal’ in the eyes of the law? From the moment it is taped from TV? (that’s alot of people to sue) Or from the moment it is distributed freely? (I’m guessing 2/3 of the nation has to be sued.)
For all it’s worth, this will be an interesting ride.
“When does an item become ‘illegal’ in the eyes of the law?”
I think the real question is, how can we deal with laws that can arbitarily be redefined to favor big business? As it is, even big businesses are against VHS recording…
LOL Yup, I’m with the 99.9% saying this is bullshit, 3k for one episode is technically serious bullshit honestly, and this obviously doesn’t startle downloaders if they know what they are doing, besides they can seriously sue as many pple as they please, 1) It’ll make then richer and more ridiculous 2) Piracy won’t ever die. If any one wants to stop piracy - Shut down the whole internet, you want anime sales to climb? ->Stop airing them for fucking free on TV, and blame the one who first invented computers thats your real enemy, not some 9yr old kid…Fucking Piracy hater - Odex can suck my nuts
BTW as a fellow singaporean I’m disgusted with these money hungry bastards, and I’m glad i left that country when i was 1yrs old btw I’m happy I’m at home in Canada posting this post
Btw, is it possible for Odex to track if you download from http or other direct downloads?
I know P2P is probably a little riskier and i’m NOT touching any bitorrent cos Odex can kiss my butt b4 they see my money. XD
Why the japanese studios only pick on Singaporeans? Why don’t they go after the downloaders in America. In fact, I believe the people who upload the anime torrent files (seeders) are probably American kids/fans.
because singapore is 1 of the highest countries that have so call ‘illigel downloaders’ around then world and many houses in singapore have high speed internet access….
lets hope pac net wins against 0dex and starhub would appeal against 0dex too….Singtel is a betrayer internet service….haven even fight 0dex in court and decided to giv up and provide 0dex with ips.
Free animes ur only life? Just happened you got sued?
Cannot Afford To pay due to family problems? Easy solution, Kill him and his wife, you wont burden your family, you help the anime society.. We will mount u a hero forever in our hearts =D
What’s happening here is an information war. Odex clearly is not giving all the info it knows to the public and as far as one can tell, the reports has always shown Odex being supported by the law in Singapore and the Japanese companies.
I don’t know about you guys, but I only obtain anime through underground methods (read: ‘illegal’) WHEN it is not available in Singapore - unfortunately, that is alot. When the opputunity arises though, I’ll gladly buy to support.
And as for the report that Singapore is the 1st in ‘illegal’ downloads, I feel that’s PURELY, PURELY bullshit.
for tripDei: Odex cannot track you, but other companies that specialise in the Internet, or even the ISP themselves can do so. However, going through such a process is questionalbe. To top it off, it violates the privacy ruling and that is why the judge threw out the request to let Odex claim the names from Singtel (or was it StarHub?). There ARE ways to mask your IP but it’s not my forte…
then wads ur suggestion…
e.g u have any ways for us to Dl anime without getting caught?
[quote comment="160270"]then wads ur suggestion…
e.g u have any ways for us to Dl anime without getting caught?[/quote]
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Okay, While I agree with most that Odex is not following up something that is really in their field of them having anime stolen, its only one company. Also (lol) I’ve never even heard of them before, so I would think that if their quality sucks and are not very well known, who would want to steal from them.??! Besides there are many better ways to steal and not get caught. EX: Download dvd decryption software and rent a dvd from fucking blockbuster, decrypt the sob, and do what the hell you want after that. And for the people who want to make an arguement about how to get subtitles for the less sophisticated decryption software, you’d be better of using a site with DDL. Besides bit torrent depends to much on others that want the same file. And as for Stephen Sing, he can suck my dick and fucking like it. Good luck for fellow downloaders. Mwahahahahah!
Hmm… I’ve a faulty disc in one of the original anime DVD series I bought from overseas through ebay, with no return policy allowed. So does that make me a pirate if I just download the relevant episode(s)? I mean, they should’ve differential judgement on case by case basis…
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting!
quote comment=”155529″]Why the japanese studios only pick on Singaporeans? Why don’t they go after the downloaders in America. In fact, I believe the people who upload the anime torrent files (seeders) are probably American kids/fans.[/quote]
the fansubs are legal, except when licenced. and the fact its downloaded ‘illegally’ in the us is commercial retailers charge so much. in some cases you get 3 episodes on a dvd for $20. not a good deal. do they charge similiarly in singapore that it would be downloaded this way over there too?
it dosent matter either way . If you go to a lan and someone has legally bought a movie you get get a copy of it.. We just need to have more lans . That fuck those wankers up
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:
The solution is simple: Stop STEALING! You can’t pretty up the crime just because it’s on the internet, unfortunately. Downloading without paying=stealing. Sorry.
The Anime quality here are bad. Really bad. They even do translation off Animes by directly running the Chinese subs from other countries thru an automated translation… resulting in nonsensical English subs. Eg. Their releases of Initial D.
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Well I agree that downloading anime is wrong and all, but until Odex decides to increase quality or the video and subbing and maybe even the quantity of english-subbed animes coming in, I'm not interested in buying any of they're products. They should take a tip from fansubbers - they do a better job.
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