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BitTorrent Piracy Doesn’t Affect US Box Office Returns, Study Finds

A new academic paper by researchers from the University of Minnesota and Wellesley College has examined the link between BitTorrent downloads and box office returns. Contrary to what’s often claimed by the movie industry, the researchers conclude that there is no evidence that BitTorrent piracy hurts US box office returns. Internationally, there is a link between downloads and revenues, which the researchers attribute to long release windows.

jackWith their unconditional support for SOPA, PIPA and ACTA, Hollywood is pressing hard for new legislation to curb piracy. The studios want ‘rogue’ websites to be censored and are calling on Google and Internet providers to take responsibility.

However, a new study reveals that movie industry itself has the key to decreasing piracy, without passing any news laws.

In a paper titled ‘Reel Piracy: The Effect of Online Film Piracy on International Box Office Sales’ researchers from the University of Minnesota and Wellesley College examine the link between BitTorrent piracy and box office returns. As hypothesized, they find that international movie piracy losses are directly linked to the delay between US and foreign premieres.

In other words, the longer it takes before a movie is released internationally, the more box office revenues are impacted through piracy.

“We find that longer release windows are associated with decreased box office returns, even after controlling for film and country fixed effects. This relationship is much stronger in contexts where piracy is more prevalent: after BitTorrent’s adoption and in heavily pirated genres,” they write.

“Our findings indicate that, as a lower bound, international box office returns in our sample were at least 7% lower than they would have been in the absence of pre-release piracy.”

Aside from their conclusion that a lack of availability is fueling piracy, the researchers report a perhaps even more interesting result. Contrary to what the MPAA and other lobby groups claim, the study doesn’t find a negative effect of BitTorrent piracy on US box office revenues.

“We do not see evidence of elevated sales displacement in US box office revenue following the adoption of BitTorrent, and we suggest that delayed legal availability of the content abroad may drive the losses to piracy,” the researchers write.

The above means that movie pirates in the US wouldn’t have bought a ticket at the box office if file-sharing was nonexistent. Only international box office sales see a piracy related decline in revenue, which is attributed to long release windows, something the industry itself can address.

Yet, the movie industry lobbyists keep hammering on about eliminating pirate sites, while ignoring the fact that the industry itself can make important steps to decrease international piracy as well. Governments around the world are not blind to this double standard, as both the Netherlands and Switzerland chose to keep unauthorized movie downloading legal until the industry improves the availability of legitimate content.

Of course the study is far from perfect as there are many more factors that influence box office returns. However, the findings clearly suggest that the movie industry itself can take the biggest step towards eliminating piracy “losses,” not lawmakers.

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  • TERMINATE-MPAA

    Another one of the studies….That MPAA will never listen to. When will they ever learn?

  • Grammar Nazi

    I think the title should be “…doesn’t AFFECT…”

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      could actually be both…… depends on the focus….

      “BitTorrent Piracy Doesn’t Affect”……. or……”Effect US Box Office Returns”

      eith3r way’s ……. u new watt waz ment ….

      • Guest

        How could it be both? Tickets sales effect box office returns. It’s rather obvious that BT does not. Let’s use other words with similar meaning: BT does not accomplish or bring about box office returns. Seems logical.

        • harry krishna

          it can’t be both. headline editor: please effect the change.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          so does piracy have no affect on sales….. ? or no effect ?

          BitTorrent Piracy Doesn’t Affect …. ???? whatevah..

          affect…..definition
          To have an influence on or cause a change in: Inflation affects the buying power of the dollar.

          whatevah ….???? …. Effect’s US Box Office Returns

          effect…..definition
          Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result

          THE RESULT…..US Box Office Returns ( a quantity )

          You grammar nazis are so anal about NOT rules….

        • Ghost

          ANoiXioNA, no one expected BT to effect box office returns. Affect, maybe, but not effect, because that would imply that BT was created in order to generate more movie sales at the box office. Contextually it’s a nonsense headline. Effect and Affect are not synonyms; they are two verbs with similar but nonetheless distinct meanings.

      • Somebody

        You’re a moron. They are different words with different meanings. Effect as a verb is to cause something: “Bittorrent Piracy Doesn’t Cause U.S. Box Office Returns”. Affect as a verb is to change something: “Bittorrent Piracy Doesn’t Change U.S. Box Office Returns”.

        • Anonymous

          Can you use them both correctly in the same sentence? And please have it make sense. Edumacate us please.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          google….. “effect used as a verb”

          then…. stfu …. and learn to look at yourself….. for flaws in intelligence : )

        • Resin

          @OccamsKatana

          Certainly.

          Affect is a verb which means ‘to influence’. Anything that can cause a change affects something else.

          “John’s rudeness affected the happiness of his neighbour.”

          Effect is a noun which means “consequence or result”.

          “John’s rudeness had the effect of making his neighbour less happy.”

          These are the main uses. There are less common uses as well. For example, affect is used as a way of describing the visual emotional state of people, and is used as a diagnostic criteria for some mental illnesses. That’s irrelevant here… I think.

          Effect can be used as a verb as well. As a verb, it means “to cause”. It’s important to note that when you use effect in this way, you are stating that the primary object is the only thing causing the result.

          “John’s rudeness effected a bad mood in his previously happy neighbor.

          Knowing this, affect would seem to be the correct word for the title. Using the word effect there means that piracy doesn’t result, cause, or have the consequence of box office returns, which is a somewhat nonsensical statement.

        • Ghost

          Can’t seem to reply to these later people. Hm.

          Effect is only used as a verb when the action is deliberate to a goal. For example: ‘The Public Demonstrations Effected A Change In Leadership’. Affect, on the other hand, is used any time there is an effect (noun, this time), intentional or not. Like, ‘The Economic Downturn Affected Ice Cream Sales’.

          So, basically, the title of this article is “BitTorrent Was Unable To Create US Box Office Returns” (as in was not able to deliberately cause more returns). Is anyone really going to tell me that’s what they intended to write? I don’t think ANYONE held that premise before this article, and it doesn’t make sense in context.

          Oh, and there are the two uses in a sentence: “The CEO effected sweeping changes in policy, but this action also affected employee morale.”

        • Anonymous

          @Resin

          @OccamsKatana

          Certainly.

          Affect is a verb which means ‘to influence’. Anything that can cause a change affects something else.

          “John’s rudeness affected the happiness of his neighbour.”

          Effect is a noun which means “consequence or result”.

          “John’s rudeness had the effect of making his neighbour less happy.”

          These are the main uses. There are less common uses as well. For example, affect is used as a way of describing the visual emotional state of people, and is used as a diagnostic criteria for some mental illnesses. That’s irrelevant here… I think.

          Effect can be used as a verb as well. As a verb, it means “to cause”. It’s important to note that when you use effect in this way, you are stating that the primary object is the only thing causing the result.

          “John’s rudeness effected a bad mood in his previously happy neighbor.

          Knowing this, affect would seem to be the correct word for the title. Using the word effect there means that piracy doesn’t result, cause, or have the consequence of box office returns, which is a somewhat nonsensical statement.

          Certainly? Seriously???? You didn’t use them both in the same sentence, let alone have it make sense. Not that I was talking to you in the first place. But thanks for stating the obvious, again. LOL! Now show us you can think, by doing as you implied was so simple. Here, I’ll start!
          ~The EFFECTS of the alcohol AFFECTED him to the point he could not drive.~
          They’re all there, in their proper context.

          There!

        • Ghost

          Occams, you just used the NOUN effect, not the VERB effect which we’ve been talking about… not so ‘simple’ after all, eh?

        • But

          resin
          cause=bittorrent piracy
          effect=poor box office

        • Ghost

          Again, But, you’re referring to the NOUN effect. If they had actually used the noun ‘effect’ in the title than it makes even LESS sense than it does now.

        • Are you guys easy or what

          @ghost,resin,somebody,guest,harry krishna
          Is the word “troll” in the phrase , “”how to troll a grammar nazi”" a verb , noun?
          just asking.

        • Resin

          @OccamsKatana

          I missed the “in the same sentence” part. Now that I do see it, I find your request to put them in the same sentence to be silly. Placing two words you’re attempting to define in the same sentence adds vagueness to their meanings. It’s a poor way to describe language. Actually, it’s not just arbitrary, but to do so would be to ignore what the words actually mean.

          You really want me to use both words in one sentence? OK, fine.
          “The change to his affect was effected by the psychotropic drugs.” There, I fulfilled your request while using the noun form of affect and the verb form of effect, things that your sentence didn’t address. Happy now?

          Aside from that, what’s with the bold font and the insults? You seem upset when I didn’t really do anything to you. I didn’t insult you, I just attempted to fulfill the “give clear definitions” part of your request. If someone’s trying to be helpful, you don’t have to attack them.

          @but

          That’s true, but that’s not what the title implied. As you wrote it, it’s fine. As it was written, the meaning was different.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          @Are you guys easy or what

          sit back and : )

        • Resin

          It is a verb, my good friend.

        • Anonymous

          @Resin

          You, in fact, replied directly to me, singling me out, I therefore responded to your initiated blurb as I was replying to another user. :)

          I used italics and bold to differentiate between the quoted texts. just as I have done below.

          OccamsKatana 3 hours ago in reply to Somebody
          Can you use them both correctly in the same sentence? And please have it make sense. Edumacate us please.

          Aside from that, what’s with the bold font and the insults? You seem upset when I didn’t really do anything to you.

          Please point out how I insulted you? I was just clarifying things to you, as you have done to other users. LOL! Poking you nose in… or was that picking your nose? No insult intended. Just clarifying….

          Take a breath. Now hold it!

          My gawd. The author did a freaking mistake. Anyone that can do better, STFU and do it. I knew what the hell he meant. I appreciate his efforts here. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t be here!!! All the contributing writers are appreciated. Even if they misspell a word or two. (notice the two s’s in misspell?) Gawd forbid they actually make a typo!!! Hang the bastards!! Give your head a shake. LOL! This is a forum for torrent/copyright/all related subjects. I didn’t realize it was an Engrish forum. We have many users from all over the world. Some having very broken English, or English as a second, third, fourth language. We even let rednecks post here.
          :)

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          @Are you guys easy or what

          the end

  • Guest

    *Affect

    • Anonymous

      “Affect” is the right word to use in the headline.

      Did not read the article, since the author can’t even spell right.

      • Guest

        You mean, “The author can’t even spell ‘correctly.”

        • Ttt

          That’s what gmagana said. In english, many words have more than one meaning. Why don’t you look it up?

  • http://twitter.com/MAFIAAFire MAFIAAFire

    Unfortunately this independent and proper study wont be shown to the ignorant politicians but the false/forged/made up/bogus/BS ones will… and get parroted by idiots in big offices and big “news places” everywhere because some people are just too lazy to dig a bit deeper… or are paid not to.

    Sickening really.

    • Lordoftorture

      You can change that. Most of their contacts are public. Send them this and the several other independent studies and explain them what do you want as a voter = faster distribution and more choice

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  • James

    They don’t care either way. They want everything for themselves.

    • LovePets

      I agree James…greedy bastards they are. They look at numbers that might not even exist anyway.just cause said number doenload material doesnt mean if they couldnt dwnload for free they would actually buy. The aconomy is in the crapper,and if everyone was to buy it still be in the crapper cause the rich just take it all anyway.

  • Tom

    This article is very misleading the study actually shows that piracy does actually effect box office sales outside the US. The title was cleverly chosen though. Luckily that that all most people read.

    • Danny

      Only when there is a delay between releases.
      Tom you must learn to read, get your head of your bosses ass!

      • Tom

        It doesn’t matter the study actually shows that piracy has a negative effect on box office sales.

        • LinXitoW

          Read again. Losses in box office sales are directly related to the delay of the release.
          In essence, they only download in foreign countries becuase they have no legal way of accessing it.
          The industry is clearly at fault here.

        • Tom

          @LinXitoW
          I agree that movies should be released simultaneously but blaming the industry instead of the people that have some sort of entitlement problem and can’t wait a few weeks is a bit silly.

        • ndmushroom

          Let’s say sober Toyota drivers caused no accidents last year.
          Let’s also say Toyota drivers driving under the influence caused 10 accidents last year.
          Would you rather say “Toyota was responsible for 10 accidents last year” or “driving under the influence was responsible for 10 accidents last year”?

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom
          What are you going on about?

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom
          Was your comment aimed at me?

        • Roman

          Slow releases in other countries has a negative effect on box office sales.

          You’re not in XX century anymore, dude, if half of the web is raving about a movie or a book or an album and the publisher doesn’t release it worldwide for some reason, another half of the web will get a copy of it this or that way, and the only thing the publisher can do is improving distribution. If you want my money, work to get them.

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: yes, it was. Accidents were caused by DUI. Same as the damage to the “industry” was caused by irrational delays. Toyota, as well as piracy, were merely the vehicles (in the first case, literally).

        • Tom

          “@Tom: yes, it was. Accidents were caused by DUI. Same as the damage to the “industry” was caused by irrational delays. Toyota, as well as piracy, were merely the vehicles (in the first case, literally).”

          I don’t think that you analogy works mate. But either way do you blame the criminal or the victims.

        • Anoxius

          What victims?

          Also, read again:

          “Only international box office sales see a piracy related decline in revenue, WHICH IS ATTRIBUTED TO LONG RELEASE WINDOWS, something the industry itself can address.”

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: You’re right, the analogy doesn’t work. It’s easy to fix it, though. Here it goes:
          Sober Toyota drivers caused no accidents last year.
          Toyota drivers driving under the influence cause 10 accidents last year, getting killed as a result.

          Would you rather say “Toyotas killed 10 drivers last year” or “10 drivers were killed last year because they were driving under the influence”?

          See, the flaw in my previous analogy is that the “criminal” and the “victim” is in fact the same person. Toyota/piracy is, like I said before, merely the vehicle.

      • It’s a fit-up

        No point arguing with Tom, he’s decided to deliberately be retarded.

    • The Aussie

      No its not

      The title says what the article says… That US box office isnt effected by piracy…. Its the INTERNATIONAL box office that might be

      • Tom

        “In short, we do not see much evidence that piracy displaces US box office sales in our data, although this result should be taken cautiously as the “experiment” for examining US piracy is less clean than that for international piracy”

      • Tom

        The study shows that piracy has a negative affect on sales and this affect is increased over time. Which is kinda obvious really. The data collected and the study were more concerned with the affect on box office sales outside the US rather than within. So, yeah the title is quite misleading, the article content is also but less so.

        • Guest

          “The study shows that piracy has a negative affect on sales”

          False. It shows that regional release delays have a negative affect on sales, and that piracy by itself does not have a negative affect on sales. That’s a very big distinction, one that I have no doubt you are missing on purpose.

        • Tom

          @Guest
          You are a spin master…

          “”The study shows that piracy has a negative affect on sales”

          False. It shows that regional release delays have a negative affect on sales, and that piracy by itself does not have a negative affect on sales. That’s a very big distinction, one that I have no doubt you are missing on purpose.”

          anyways my full quote was…

          “The study shows that piracy has a negative affect on sales and this affect is increased over time. “

    • Guest

      Tom can’t read.

      This study concludes that piracy has no effect on the US box office, which is exactly what the headline says. Nothing misleading there, to say the least.

      Also, the study does not show that piracy effects box office sales outside the US in general, as you’re implying. If Hollywood did simultaneous worldwide releases of its films in every region, piracy would have no impact. However, because Hollywood is braindamaged and delays its releases to regions outside the US, the free market uses piracy to bypass this artificial barrier. That’s what causes the box-office numbers of Hollywood exports to drop an amount that’s proportional to release delay.

      When you say that “the study actually shows that piracy has a negative effect on box office sales”, you’re being one massively disingenuous little shit. And to think you call Torrentfreak misleading…

    • Anonymous

      Study conducted by WHOM? MAFIAA goons? Where are you getting your numbers? Are they any more legit than this latest study? How can you prove as much? I think your numbers are taint. Do you enjoy paying extortionate fees at the theatre? Do you go multiple times weekly to support them? Would you if the ticket prices were 1/4 of what they are now? Would you slip into the theatre if it were FREE?? I certainly don’t think you’re going to say you PREFER higher prices… Most people prefer less expensive. I’d go more often if they didn’t soak you in the name of profit. Better yet, how about setting a base price and having people pay AFTER they have seen the movie, based on it’s actual worth. Then Hollywood might stop ramming garbage down our throats.

      What do you think Tom? You like paying more?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see this as a big surprise but it is good to see researchers putting actual numbers to file-sharing and to find the causes. This 7% is quite small, even if millions of dollars, and an error margin could make it even less.

    A following step would be to see how piracy affects DVD and BluRay sales A drop in box office sales is not a big surprise if it comes out very late but an increased movie exposure can well

    Anyway let me cover some direct examples based on the current top BT movies.

    First is Tower Heist…
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0471042/releaseinfo

    Beyond the premiere this movie was released in 23 counties between November 2 and 4, another 9 countries had to wait 1 week, 6 more 3 weeks late, 1 at 4 weeks, then 6 more exceed 1 month. Quite efficient but could be better.

    Then we have The Three Musketeers…
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1509767/releaseinfo

    This is an unusual one when it appeared in Austria and Germany first on September 1, where 5 more followed 4 weeks later, 3 more at 5 weeks, then the main 25 bulk at 6 weeks, 8 at 7 weeks, then 5 even longer. So not the way to do it.

    On to a big movie we have the new The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo…
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1568346/releaseinfo

    After the London and New York premiers on December 12 & 14 the start begins with 8 countries between 20 & 26, then 4 more follow the next week, 6 more after 2 weeks, 8 more after 3 weeks, 7 more after 4 weeks, then 6 more soon conclude that run.

    Then let me pick a random new movie namely Justice…
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1214962/releaseinfo

    Italy starts on September 2, then 1 more after 6 weeks, 1 at 7 weeks, 1 at 8 weeks, then 6 more after 11 weeks, then this is really too sad to continue with the other 16 countries ending with the Netherlands all of 7 months later. Obviously a filler to fit in wherever it can.

    From these examples we can see that coordinate release times could be much improved should they are to earn 7% more.

    • Anonymous

      it would also help if there was a “non-dub” version
      I want to see the movie in its original language, pirating is often the only way.

      • TIAN

        Totally agree with you. In Argentina, for instance, several TV channels just stopped broadcasting movies on it’s original language, replacing them by their dubbed version. Same with series. In cases like these, the public they’re losing is the public they choose to lose…

        • Anonymous

          Here in Europe dubbing is common. Broadcasters have learned though to meet the public need by broadcasting the original audio on a second audio sub-carrier.

  • ndmushroom

    It would be extremely useful to create an index of all these piracy-related studies (this one, the Swiss one, the norwegian one proving that the income of artists was increasing etc.) to be used in piracy-discussions on other media (who are waking up to the story following the whole PIPA/SOPA/ACTA nonsense). Do you now if there is such an index? If not, maybe it would be a good idea for TF to do it (a new category “Studies, facts and figures” perhaps?)

    • Sethofthesea

      ^^ This is a good idea

  • LovePets

    They are just greedy rich people thinking they could be even richer without online piracy not realizing since they already have all the money the start with that no one can afford their crap anyway. Want me to buy more unpiracy material then do something bout the high cost of living.

    • Tom

      So everyone involved in the making of a movie is rich?? What’s your hang up with rich people anyways.

      • LovePets

        What you think? Greedy bastards. And you think that stopping online piracy is really going help the ecconomy? You think that more money to the industry will give Sally the common worker more money? I doubt it. Let Sally enjoy her free download of twight light while she buys her high price groceries to feed her kids.

        • Tom

          What do you think will help the economy then making everything free?

        • Anonymous

          noone is saying everything should be free.
          but as long as the pirated version is the superior version I don’t see me spending any money on the “official” version

        • Guest

          Legalizing piracy will help the economy, given that pirates put more money into the economy than non-pirates do. So it might be a good idea to stop trying to imprison them.

          Nobody has a problem with rich people just because they’re rich. It’s what they did to get rich and how they use the power their money gives them that makes them hated, 10 out of 10 times with good reason.

          And by the way, only a select few bigwigs involved in producing a movie get any residuals from its boxoffice revenue. The rest get a lump sum payment. It doesn’t effect Jennifer Aniston, or the keygrip, or the set designer, or the caterer one fucking bit if the movie is a commercial success or failure. They already got paid.

      • Anonymous

        Not rich people Tom, but HOW they are getting rich. Do you not see the laws they are buying? Who does that benefit?

        When private industry can buy the government and the laws to suit them, there is a problem. Can YOU not see that? Do you not agree that YOUR freedoms are in danger when these people have the reins? You don’t think so? Freedom to view what you like on the internet? Freedom to talk to whom you like without being listened in on…. Freedom to hum a bloody piece of music without having some RIAA idiots suing your ass off.

        Tom, Are you in bed with these folks? Are you pushing to have our freedoms taken away? Are you pushing to have us under Big Brother’s thumb?

        What’s your hangup with wanting basic rights? What’s your hangup with wanting a Government that can’t be bought and works FOR the people?

        It’ll be interesting to see your reply……

  • Tomthenoob

    tom the tool who is a fool go away and die some more you f u.c.k.i.n.g n.o.o.o

    • Tom

      hmm.. I know that puberty sucks but you’ll make it through.. I promise

      • Tomthenoob

        trolling peeping top get back under your rock

  • Anonymous

    I guess that means i’ll keep pirating.

    • LovePets

      Me too till all the sites totally disapear.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like these guys are pulling numbers out of their ass as well.

    How can you throw out a bunch of percentages when there’s no accurate way to track the amount of downloads that are happening?

  • Anonymous

    Just look at the facts …

    All-Time USA Box office

    1. Avatar (2009) $760,505,847
    2. Titanic (1997) $600,779,824
    3. The Dark Knight (2008) $533,316,061
    4. Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope (1977) $460,935,665
    5. Shrek 2 (2004) $436,471,036
    6. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
    7. Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace (1999) $431,065,444
    8. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest (2006) $423,032,628
    9. Toy Story 3 (2010) $414,984,497
    10. Spider-Man (2002) $403,706,375

    Conclusion: More than half of these movies were made in the last 10 years (i.e. the internet era) The MPAA isn’t so much crying about lost profits as a result of piracy, what they’re really crying about is the loss of potentially even greater profits … Greedy fucks get their throats slit and found dead with paper currency stuffed in their rectum just like the mafia does

    • Tom

      How much did those film cost to make?
      How many people where involved in the making of those film?
      How was that money split?
      How much money was spent on the next film?
      Most importantly what was the profit?

      It’s all very well looking at big numbers and raging, talking about killing people. But it’s more rational to think/research around figures and “facts” before arriving at a conclusion.

      • Anonymous

        Ok you raise some good points here Tom, however, the question of how much costs were invloved, how the profits were distributed and how much was spent on the next film is completely irrelevant. The point is that filmmakers are still making their money and the manner in which they deal with their financials is their concern and not that of movie watchers. After all, film studios are a business right? And ultimately, in some form or another, every business seeks to implement cost cutting measures at every step in its process right? Well guess what … just as business do, naturally, so do consumers, the only exception being that consumers actually have the option of getting content for free whereas businesses do not. Looks to me like the consumer has actually beat the system at its own game. Sucks to be the big bad corporation in a wolrd collapsing capitalism doesnt it?

      • ndmushroom

        1. Avatar (2009) Cost: $237 million Box office $2,782,275,172
        2. Titanic (1997) Cost: $200 million Box office: $1,843,201,268
        3. The Dark Knight (2008) Cost: $185 million Box office: $1,001,921,825
        4. Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope (1977) Cost: $11 million Box office: $775,398,007
        5. Shrek 2 (2004) Cost: $150 million Box office: $919,838,758
        6. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) Cost: $10.5 million Box office: $792,910,554
        7. Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace (1999) Cost: $115 million Box office: $924,317,558
        8. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest (2006) Cost: $225 million Box office: $1,066,179,725
        9. Toy Story 3 (2010) Cost: $200 million Box offfice: $1,063,171,911
        10. Spider-Man (2002) Cost: $140 million Box office: $821,708,551

        Source: Wikipedia.
        Now please answer your own questions: given that these movies made 5 to 79 (!!!) times as much money as was invested to them (and that’s only Box office. Not DVD sales, blu-ray, sponsorship deals, merchandising etc.),

        How was that money split?
        (clue: VERY unfairly)
        How much money was spent on the next film?
        (clue: enough to guarantee similar profits, which where, again, split VERY unfairly)

        Answer these questions you asked yourself, and then start worrying about piracy.

        • Tom

          “How was that money split?
          (clue: VERY unfairly)
          How much money was spent on the next film?
          (clue: enough to guarantee similar profits, which where, again, split VERY unfairly)”

          These aren’t answers….

          Regardless of how much money they make it doesn’t give anyone the right to take from them what they want without their permission. If everyone thought that way we wouldn’t buy anything. Almost every product we buy has a company behind it that is making a shit load. That company also has to pay a shit load for an unimaginable number of things.

          Perhaps it’s time to stop seeing businesses as a single entity and to understand that they can have a workforce size that can sometimes go into the millions. Calling a business greedy is a extremely simplistic way at looking at things without investigating what they actually do with their money.

        • Oli

          @ Tom

          Wait.. first, you ask how much the films cost to make and what the profit was, and then you say the answer’s irrelevant?

        • ndmushroom

          I was wondering when you were going to come up with the usual “piracy is theft” argument. The problem with noobie trolls is that they tend to run out of arguments pretty fast, and have to resort to “The Great Copyright Troll Handbook” for ideas.
          No one’s taking anything from them. They merely clone it (i.e. copy it) and take the copy. The study claims that they wouldn’t have bought it anyway. So, the question is simple: should we worry that an extra pair of eyes has seen our 500% profit-making movie or not? And if you can’t realize the benefits this extra spectator entails (anything from merchandising sales, word of mouth aka hype, the possibility of him liking the the movie and legally spending on the sequel/the next work of the actor/the director/the screenwriter to him buying the collector’s edition DVD of the movie he just saw) it’s time to open your eyes to the brave new world of the Internet.

          And OF COURSE these aren’t answers. YOU were supposed to provide them, that’s what I asked you to do. Buy you conveniently chose to change the subject to standard Handbook territory. After all, facts and figures were never the Industry’s strong point… :-)

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom

          The word Data Theft disagrees with you. Look it up.

        • Guest

          @shithead

          “Data theft” is a phrase that was recently invented to describe to act of illegally obtaining usernames, passwords, credit card numbers and the like from ostensibly secure databases.

          http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1220308

          How sad is it that you tell ndmushroom to go look up the “word” data theft(that’s actually two words, your Mental Mightiness), and then it turns you don’t know what it means and I have to school you on it?

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: the word “copyright infringement”, as well as the legislation and case law in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY ON EARTH, agrees with me and disagrees with you.

        • Tom

          @Guest
          Wow it’s actually two words I missed out an s. OMG. Anyways what were you trying to prove with that article

          from the same article :

          “What Is Data Theft?
          Data theft is, quite simply, the unauthorized copying or removal of confidential information from a business or other large enterprise. It can take the form of ID-related theft (the theft of customer records) or the theft of a company’s proprietary information or intellectual property.”

          That’s the unauthorized “copying” of information. So the whole piracy isn’t stealing because it’s making a copy is silly. Stealing doesn’t actually require a physical item to be taken.

          Ever heard of Theft of service?

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: the word “copyright infringement”, as well as the legislation and case law in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY ON EARTH, agrees with me and disagrees with you.

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: the word “copyright infringement”, as well as the legislation and case law in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY ON EARTH, agrees with me and disagrees with you.

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: the word “copyright infringement”, as well as the legislation and case law in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY ON EARTH, agrees with me and disagrees with you.

          You can keep ignoring me, but that doesn’t make me wrong (and, let’s face it: you know it!)

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom
          Ignore you?! No way you are very special to me….

          Anyways. Copyright infringement is a legal term…. Theft, however is a broader term that is independent from the law.

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: Theft: a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

          Now, you can say whatever you want about “broad terms” (you’re one step away from “well, it’s all a matter of personal opinion, really), but please don’t make me use a dictionary to explain to you the difference between the verbs “copy” and “take”, it’s getting pretty embarrassing already.

          As for not ignoring me, given that you still haven’t answered any of my points (I answered you your “facts and figures” point and you replied by arguing about morality, I’ve shown you the benefits of that extra pair of eyes and you resorted to dictionary definitions of unrelevant issues (data theft? Seriously?), and now it’s down to debating what theft “really means”, I still don’t feel that special to you… :-)

        • DocGerbil100

          @Tom:

          I’m not a lawyer and I haven’t got time to get into a big debate, but as I understand it, ‘data theft’ (in a western legal context, which I suspect is the only one most people posting here are in any way familiar with) refers specifically to materials that would not otherwise enter the public domain: Coca Cola’s secret recipe, the design for a microchip, in-development-versions of songs not intended for outside publication, customer records and so forth.

          (Obviously, piracy of things like movie workprints, unfinished TV pilots, “unmastered” versions of songs, etc, make this definition blurry at the outside edges, but nonetheless, this seems to be it’s proper usage).

          As most courts in the world seem to have clearly established, ‘copyright infringement’ is the only correct term to use when discussing peer-to-peer media-piracy in it’s various forms.

          While I wouldn’t put it past any MAFIAA organisation or government to eventually redefine copyright-infringement as fully equal to a legal theft, they have thus far not done so.

          I suspect the reason for this is partly because it might have damaging effects on existing treaties (such as the Berne Convention on copyright) and partly because it would open up too many massive legal issues for the MAFIAA organisations themselves.

          Such as, for example, the very common issue of when record labels “accidentally” publish music after their contracts to do so have expired, or Microsoft “accidentally” including fragments of unlicensed third-party code in some versions of Windows, or the recent general election in the UK, which saw our biggest political parties “accidentally” using an unauthorised, copyrighted image in their promotional materials.

          The MAFIAA might be embarassingly stupid at the best of times, but even they don’t want to change the law in such a way as to get themselves and their most critically-important supporters arrested, prosecuted and potentially jailed.

          The MAFIAA’s forty-year saturation-propaganda campaign to equate all media-piracy with theft is just PR and cannot become anything else at this moment in time – they themselves cannot afford to change this.

      • Anonymous

        These aren’t answers….

        Regardless of how much money they make it doesn’t give anyone the right to take from them what they want without their permission. If everyone thought that way we wouldn’t buy anything. Almost every product we buy has a company behind it that is making a shit load. That company also has to pay a shit load for an unimaginable number of things.

        Perhaps it’s time to stop seeing businesses as a single entity and to understand that they can have a workforce size that can sometimes go into the millions. Calling a business greedy is a extremely simplistic way at looking at things without investigating what they actually do with their money.

        Having a workforce in the millions, or having expenses in the billions is irrelevant to their bottom line. Profit is taken after all expenses are paid. It’s what’s left over to line their pockets. That’s AFTER their exorbitant salaries Tom.
        Any other business that has an unfair advantage and rapes it’s customers, would have it’s ass reamed.

        Tom, can you interpret this for me? I’m not sure what it means:

        Competition law, or antitrust law, has three main elements:

        – prohibiting agreements or practices that restrict free trading and competition between business. This includes in particular the repression of free trade caused by cartels.
        – banning abusive behavior by a firm dominating a market, or anti-competitive practices that tend to lead to such a dominant position. Practices controlled in this way may include predatory pricing, tying, price gouging, refusal to deal, and many others.
        – supervising the mergers and acquisitions of large corporations, including some joint ventures. Transactions that are considered to threaten the competitive process can be prohibited altogether, or approved subject to “remedies” such as an obligation to divest part of the merged business or to offer licenses or access to facilities to enable other businesses to continue competing.

    • Anonymous

      Yes the combined income of the MPAA earned $52.8 billion in 2000 but by 2010 this had increased by 65% to $87 billion.

      If you want to look back further then in 1980 they were earning not much over $4 billion. Even a huge movie like Back to the Future released in 1985 was made for only $19 million and got $350 million in return.

      The average movie budget these days is $200 million. Even Avatar was made for $237 million but made $2782 million return.

      This all goes to show that those extremely greedy cunts in Hollywood have nothing at all to worry about.

  • Myteev

    Content is king, without it you have nothing.

    http://myteev.blogspot.com/p/torrents.html

    • LovePets

      I guess you can scrstch off btjunkie on that list your posted link goes to.

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  • Balls

    this paper does not appear to be peer-reviewed… this means that it was not reviewed by other scientists prior to publication… just sayin

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  • maxwell elle

    as simple as that you make it available in other countries beside united state will (may assist cheaper tickets will in other countries )
    it is quite obvious too expensive no one will bother buying

    if they continue to ignore people will do what they think is for the better

  • foff

    Simple solution if a movie or tv show is not released internationally within two weeks then in whatever country it was not released all copyright claims ought to be null and void. In the era of the internet and instant communication there is no excuse for throwing up artificial barriers. So get a clue holly stupid fucks. your copyright laws will be changed to conform with the modern era and you will have to change you fucking whinny pigs.

  • c6m3

    What if the Movie Industrie releases a Free Special Version of some Movie with Advertisements right for the internet? They would get the money anyway and the people will download it anyway, I guess.

    • ndmushroom

      I’ve been thinking about the same idea for a long time. Eventually we will get there (it happened already with the music industry, and with some TV shows). But for the moment (just like the music industry and the TV industry), the film industry wants the whole pie, offering nothing in return. Give it some time… ;-)

      • c6m3

        Meanwhile they shall be damned… and pirated.

    • Anonymous

      then I will still download the pirated version

      fuck those cunts, they lost me as a customer for life with their behaviour

      • ndmushroom

        I don’t blame you. However, many users don’t hold this view. Spotify’s (and similar services) success demonstrates that free, ad-supported streaming of copyrighted works actually works for both the consumer and the creator (well, it’s going to take a while for it to work for the creator, at least it works for the rightsholder, aka the creator’s pimp).

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  • Jack

    Im in Australia and it cost $21.50 to see a movie in theaters
    or instead of working for 2 – 3 hours to afford that,
    i download the movie a few weeks later for free……
    thank you

  • Anonymous

    I still have hopes in 20 years we’ll watch movies online legally, and the studios will get their share, not by money from our pockets, but through ad revenue (you can make lots of money with Google AdSense and YouTube partnership programs even today) or some other way. Get with the time faggots

    • Tom

      You can already watch movies online legally for free with the studios getting their share … voddler for example???

      • ndmushroom

        “We are open for customers in Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark”
        Like I said before, “Eventually we will get there (it happened already with the music industry, and with some TV shows). But for the moment (just like the music industry and the TV industry), the film industry wants the whole pie, offering nothing in return. Give it some time… ;-)”

        Spotify started in exactly the same fashion, and is still unavailable in many countries because not all national rightsholders organizations are ready to give up on their monopoly. Is it a coincidence that voddler faces the exact same problems, while having started in the exact same region?

    • Anonymous

      the studios should not get a share, the people that actually make the movie should get the money.

  • Anonymous

    Uh oh. The Anti-Piracy Lobbyists won’t be pleased about this *Cry some more….*

  • Bj
  • Mwhahaha

    Colour me shocked.

    I go to the movies more these days. Tho that’s more about finding a place that doesn’t rape my wallet and my soul

  • Farmerfc

    This study agrees completely with what I would have said is intuitively obvious.
    The correlation is not what the MAFIAA groups claim.
    They do not lose money or sales to file sharing, except through their own mistakes.
    People do not use that instead of buying something they would have bought, if it is available. And, of course, if it is something they would buy.
    In fact, I would offer that sampling something that they would not have otherwise looked into might more likely lead to a purchase of a thing they would not have.
    And, when they offend people, I suspect that there is a revenge element where things they would have bought get left on the shelf. Do you agree?
    In other words, they are not very bright about this, are they?

  • ?_?

    Well slap my ass and call me Judy!

    • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

      hey Judy

      • Ass Slapper

        You forgot to slap her ass…

  • Lordoftorture

    You can change that. Most of their contacts are public. Send them this and the several other independent studies and explain them what do you want as a voter = faster distribution and more choice

  • Valentin

    Well it is no brainer. The only thing I download is TV shows and Talk shows that never make it in my country and if by some chance they air it it is with horrible quality and verbal translation which is even more horrible. What is even more mind boggling is that NBC forbids its shows to be viewed on youtube by my country even though they dont have a single show on any of our local cable. How do you explain that stupidity and arrogance?

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  • not-just-yeti

    Like Violated0 mentions, there’s also the issue of whether piracy eats into the DVD/rental profits. I looked up two movies at random (Matrix Revolutions, Inception) and for those, DVD sales are ~25%, ~8% of the box-office, resp.

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  • Anonymous

    THIS IS THE FINAL CALL TO ARMS

    The main ACTA Protest Day is this Saturday, February 11, 2012. Yes that means TOMORROW is the day millions of Vendettas will march for our freedom.

    All of Europe is involved along with a few sites in Canada & the United States. You can see the full schedule here…
    https://www.accessnow.org/policy-activism/press-blog/acta-protest-feb-11

    In big news Germany today has said it will oppose ACTA. They now join Poland, Latvia and the Czech republic in opposing this nasty trade agreement. Congratulations to those countries but DO NOT ease up your protests when for them to see only minor protests tomorrow can have them change their mind.

    Once you have decided your location & time then make sure that you come armed. There are loads of great designs, as you can see, for your own personal protest…
    http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/images/7/76/Acta-infographics.png
    http://www.derechoaleer.org/images/2010/stop_acta-color_rgb-web.png
    http://goo.gl/hCtz4

    I have a feeling that Anonymous “V” mask sales have shot up recently as well. These “V” masks exceed 100,000 sales a year which is a whole lot of Anonymous.

    Please note the demonstration location and start time, check the map to be certain, then to sort out your transport plans. Large cities should always have efficient public transport where you can travel there in the morning to be available before the start of the protest march. Demonstrations can often last around 2 hours so you can be home in time for your evening meal and to watch yourself on the news. :-)

    Don’t forget to bring some family and friends with you. This is all about numbers and you could well enjoy your time more in a group. There is no harm in asking them to come, save the Internet and all.

    If you have not signed the online petition yet then please do so. Their 2 million goal has been exceeded and they now push on for 3 million…
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread/?fndLIcb&pv=307

    All I am left to say is that our freedom is the greatest gift of our life we have. These freedoms are so easily lost and yet so very hard to recover. The Internet provides us with the greatest freedom of our generation and we should not allow any Government or group to censor away our rights. If you love the Internet then would you not want your children and your grandchildren to enjoy the same freedoms we have now?

    Tomorrow is your day to stand up and to be counted. It is time to make the future you want and to be a part of the history we now create. It is not every day that you can say “I was there” and “I did that” but tomorrow is indeed a glorious day the World won’t soon forget.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      top shouting there vio0…….

      it’s time.

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  • Gae

    The movie companies are only interested in the studies that they paid for and that report findings that are in their favor.

  • AnonyMouse

    I think i went to the Cinema about 3 times before I started pirating movies now I’m kind of regular if the pirating stops I will probably lose interest again and go back to watching them on Terrestrial TV when they come out.

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  • Jewett_randal69

    It should say: Piracy Doesn’t Affect US Box Office Returns, Study Finds

    The program used to download the data does not matter since there are many available to manage torrent files.

    I almost feel bad that The midnight Eclipse box office totals where ONLY $30 million.

    Makes me almost want to stop downloading movie torrents and start buying DVD’s to make them richer.

    NOT

  • guest

    its funny.. piracy is everywhere. And the one thing i see that all the countries that PIPA/SOPA/ACTA have been after they are after are pretty much all small fishes. If you want to know which country has the most piracy its CHINA , not hong kong but mainland china. behind the great firewall…Think about it 1.75 billion people if you go to any street corner of any big city in china. You can get good quality movies for a $1 each.. multiply that by 1.5 billion people….

    PIPA/SOPA/ACTA is just a waste of money

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1465350048 Geoff Middleberg

    Piracy is illegal whether it hurts the economy or not. We already have domestic copyright laws, those same laws need to be applied to websites in which the server is based overseas We do not let people commit robbery offline, why would we allow it online? Stealing is wrong whether one can make a profit or not.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      insightful false statement.
      Copying is not theft.

      • Anonymous

        Looking at the pic makes me cry too. I think Microsoft needs to replace their copy and paste features. Copying is bad, Bad, BAD! ROFL!! They are trying to make people copy. Drag and drop. Copy and paste. OMG. What have we done…..????

        I think I’ll go kill a kitten.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          lmao

    • Anonymous

      How am I stealing when I pay a tax on all electronic consumer good that was implemented to compensate for my piracy regardless of whether or not I actually pirated? Or am I supposed to pay twice for the exact same product?

      Just curious.

    • Anonymous

      *facepalm*
      copying is not stealing, get that in your thick head

      • Tom

        Once again…

        “Data theft
        Term used to describe when information is illegally copied or taken from a business or other individual. Commonly, this information is user information such as passwords, social security numbers, credit card information, other personal information, or other confidential corporate information. Because this information is illegally obtained, when the individual who stole this information is apprehended, it is likely he or she will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

        http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/d/datathef.htm

        or

        “What Is Data Theft?
        Data theft is, quite simply, the unauthorized copying or removal of confidential information from a business or other large enterprise. It can take the form of ID-related theft (the theft of customer records) or the theft of a company’s proprietary information or intellectual property.”

        http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1220308

        Copying is not theft.. yeah right. It does however make a really great meme.

        • Anonymous

          if I steal something someone has lost an item
          if I download something whoever I downloaded it from still has the file

          see how that is different from stealing?
          it’s tiring that I have to explain this very simple point over and over again

        • ndmushroom

          I said:
          the word “copyright infringement”, as well as the legislation and case law in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY ON EARTH, agrees with me and disagrees with you.

          You said:
          Copyright infringement is a legal term…. Theft, however is a broader term that is independent from the law.

          I said:
          Theft: a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

          Now, you can say whatever you want about “broad terms” (you’re one step away from “well, it’s all a matter of personal opinion, really”), but please don’t make me use a dictionary to explain to you the difference between the verbs “copy” and “take”, it’s getting pretty embarrassing already.

          We’ve been there before (further above, in the same page). Do you really think repeating the same nonsense under different threads somehow gives you a clean start? A bogus argument is a bogus argument, no matter how many times it’s repeated.

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom
          So basically you said nothing.

          Can you please explain how unauthorized copying of data is not theft then. Bare in mind that you learnt a new word today. “Data Theft” which kinda puts a dent on that narrow definition of Theft you provided. Also bare in mind the terms Identity Theft. Theft of Service. These are legal terms but use the non legal term of theft. You will also have to demonstrate that these aren’t theft also.

          Theft when used on it’s own does have a legal term that more closely fits your definition. But I’m not talking about the legal meaning of theft.

          Why are you trying so hard to justify to this to yourself.

          I’ll give you a little scenario. Lets pretend that your knew someone that had just spent years developing a game. Would you then download that game while he was standing right behind you assuming that piracy wasn’t illegal? If you would explain how you expect this person to feel. If you wouldn’t why wouldn’t you?

        • Tom

          @Anonymous
          Did you completely ignore the definition of data theft?

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: you’re not talking of the legal definition of theft. Then again, you’re not talking about the dictionary definition of theft either. At the same time, you ARE talking about the legal definition of data theft, even though that word has never been used legally to describe copyright infringement, which is a legal term you’re not talking about.
          Just which meaning of theft are you talking about after all? Is there one, or do we have to search for “Tom’s dictionary of words only Tom knows the meaning of” to find out?
          Seriously man, you could wear a red nose and a funny hat and still look less of a clown than you do right now.

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom
          Wow.. so you aren’t gonna answer the questions. Fine.

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom
          speaking of dictionary definitions….

          http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/software+theft

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom
          Hmm… actually ignore the previous link. Seems to be more propaganda than legit

        • Tom

          @ndmushroom
          Hmm… actually ignore the previous link. Seems to be more propaganda than legit

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: Answer the questions? Which ones? Whether I’d download a game in the presence of its developer? You’re right, I didn’t answer it. They did:
          http://torrentfreak.com/indie-game-devs-post-pirated-game-on-the-pirate-bay-110909/
          http://torrentfreak.com/game-developer-i-used-to-pirate-heavily-110327/
          http://torrentfreak.com/game-developer-promotes-game-on-torrent-sites-091106/.

          Funny that you accuse me of not answering your question, when in fact it is you who are persistently avoiding to answer my questions, for 3 days and counting.

          How was that money split?
          (clue: VERY unfairly)
          How much money was spent on the next film?
          (clue: enough to guarantee similar profits, which where, again, split VERY unfairly)

          and also,

          should we worry that an extra pair of eyes has seen our 500% profit-making movie or not? And if you can’t realize the benefits this extra spectator entails (anything from merchandising sales, word of mouth aka hype, the possibility of him liking the the movie and legally spending on the sequel/the next work of the actor/the director/the screenwriter to him buying the collector’s edition DVD of the movie he just saw) it’s time to open your eyes to the brave new world of the Internet.

        • Tom

          So because you found a few indie developers that don’t mind piracy, the dude in the scenario would give you a pat on the back if he saw you pirating his work. Great logic there.

          By the way you avoided the questions again. It’s really getting boring now. Anyways, I think this discussion has over stayed it’s welcome. You can continue if you want but I really can’t be bothered debating with myself anymore.

        • ndmushroom

          @Tom: Very wise decision. Especially given that you still haven’t answered any of my questions while I’ve answered all of yours in a way that seems to satisfy everyone but you.

    • Guest

      >Piracy is illegal whether it hurts the economy or not.

      Congratulations; you just invalidated the argument that piracy costs jobs, or that anti-piracy enforcers are concerned about any economic loss. You’re nothing more than mindless parrots who think that suing children, grandmothers, homeless people, dead people, laser printers and iguanas are justified.

  • bamfan5520

    I have been saying this for over a year and still, the MPAA is NEVER LISTENING!!! Piracy is not decreasing sales, its the fact of 3 reasons…First, 75% of what hollywood produces is GARBAGE that anyone would ever buy…Second, With US economy being as it is, people are finding it better to use file-sharing instead of paying outragious prices for DVD’s…Lastly, the long wait for a movie to be released is nuts…4-8 months for an official release, file-sharing does it in 2 months within most major movie releases…The MPAA needs to reform since file-sharing will NEVER DIE…As long as we have some form of internet, it will always be around….So, here is my statement for the day to the MPAA, “Take a good look at reality as a whole, we the people are DISGUSTED with you. We will never conform to what you want us to be and furthermore, you wil never break us. LOVE LIVE FILE-SHARING!!!”

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU3FP6ALBOYVUDR6Z7GUQYGY2Q Mike N

    if anything it hurts sales and rentals of movies. Box office movies not so much.

  • hell

    If the Government doesn’t protect the value of my home, or any other product (they’re left to the free market) why would Internet products suddenly have Government (monopolized force) protecting the value of their products? Let people who put things on the Internet design their own “ticket booths” to exclude non-payers. If the Government gets involved the Internet will end up like the T.V. Senator Orrin Hatch thinks the Government should start blowing up computers without due process to combat copyright infringement, this battle won’t be given up

    http://www.dethronehatch.com/orrin-hatch-is-no-friend-of-the-internet/

  • Summer7

    The study suggests that box office sales are not affected but that doesn’t mean overall sales. In order to steal movies via torrents while theyre still in theaters they have to be camera ripped. That usually makes the quality so bad that most people wait until the movies are out on DVD to torrent them. So the movie industry and artists alike are still loosing money from infringed material being distributed illegally.

  • Homey Chillin

    Yo, whut up?

    Whuts wid all dis gramma shit?

    Yaw need to chill.

    Bad gramma ain’t no crime homeys.

    Knowwhuimsayin?

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  • hiro

    Yeah, well, what the industry is offering to TV viewers outside the US is this: See information about new shows on the network’s internet pages, then wait at least one year, then watch the show in SD with lip-sync or hardcoded subtitles, then wait six months for the DVD with your region code, then wait another year for the Blu Ray.

    Some people seem to prefer downloading TV shows in HD the day after the American premiere. Some are even willing to pay for services like Megaupload. I wonder why.

  • Orion Blastar

    Actually box office sales of movies are down because the MPAA keeps making bad movies with little to no plots, an insane script written by drug addicts, recycles old movies and comic books and TV shows into movies because they cannot come up with an original idea, and spend most of their budget on special effects.

    You can see that movie ratings have gone down over the past decade to prove this.

    Nobody wants to pay $10 to $25 for a movie that sucks, they wait until they can rent it or see it on TV or Netflix.

    Then when they ship the movie over seas, well foreign people don’t like movies that suck either. But don’t have the Netflix or TV option to watch it later. Hint hint, Foreign Netflix service could do well there.

  • Phil Landry

    I’m guessing that people talking and texting in the theatre while watching the movie is a worst thing for attendances than piracy… I can’t stand going to a movie anymore, a bunch of little screens, making a lot of light….. come on

  • http://celr2010.blogspot.com/ Charles Rachor

    i agree, industry can take steps to prevent piracy. the MPAA, RIAA, etc. need to take some responsibility, buck up, and stop blaming consumers for all their problems. make some decent films for one and stop charging insane prices for everything.
    I actually wrote about that a while ago – http://celr2010.blogspot.com/2010/12/how-is-internet-piracy-going-to-be.html

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  • Planet Pop

    Of the last 10 CDs i bought, 8 of those were chosen because i discovered a new artist/band and loved the mp3s so much i had to have the albums. I also saved money after seeing a movie trailer, having suspicions that it wasn’t that great and if i’d gone to see it i would walk out at the end feeling robbed therefore categorizing it a download. That is how i felt about Legion, The Book of Eli and Priest. Unfortunately i did go to the movies and see Clash of the Titans, The Expendables, The Way Back, Sucker Punch ,The Ides of March and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy and while leaving the cinema feeling like the joke was on me. I’m a regular cinema patron, but do i have to put up with 5 crap movies before i get my money’s worth?

  • Anonymous

    lol, I really cant imagine going and dropping fifty bucks at a theatre to watch a movie lol. Total-Privacy dot US

  • Oven

    I’m from Minnesota! I’m glad to see my sate contributing studies relevant to kicking MPAA ass.

  • Anonymous
  • Xxx

    MAN cannot pay soo much for the movies if the company Sell a movie $10 id DONT see why people will will download they will surely prefer to buy a legal one

    BUT

    the case is different the movie industry MAKE billions of profit PER film which is not fair at all

    MOVIES are too expensive

    LONG LIVE FILE SHARING!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)))))))))

  • Eric

    Saying that online piracy is taking money from Hollywood means your saying that everyone that downloads something would buy it if the didn’t download it. I have never known that to be true. Im not buying anything, no matter if i download it or not.

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  • Tom AnonJack MurlouzeTFLavie

    Individuals under the employ of University of Minnesota and Wellesley College, your days are numbered.

  • PRIVACY is priceless to me

    They needed a study to know that?
    They don’t read TF it seems, else they would have seen the top 10 is always the same pile of shit than the fucking despicable “box-office” (“little boxes…”)

  • Goosmoo

    The mpaa will undoubtedly deny the accuracy of that study assuming they ever choose to acknowledge it. It doesn’t matter how many studies there are that prove bittorrent doesn’t affect box office sales. When you have your head up your ass as far as the mpaa has theirs, you are oblivious to reality.

  • Goosmoo

    And why are a few people in this thread (or one person?) assuming that because someone downloads a movie, the mpaa lost money? I haven’t been to a movie in a ages, but I stopped going long before anyone had ever heard of bittorrent. And if torrents and file sharing weren’t around, I’d STILL not be going to movies. And I’d STILL not be buying DVDs. Why? Because most of them imo are crap, and of the ones that hover slightly above the crap category, they’re not worth $10 for a ticket or $15 for a dvd. Fuck that. If you (mpaa, riaa, etc.) want my money, make the prices reasonable and stop taking so much from the people who actually create the content. Until then I will continue downloading, and I won’t at all feel guilty about it.

    On a side note, I still buy Indie music and still donate to Indie movie production. Why? Because their content is reasonably priced and most of the money goes to the artists.

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  • David Silverstone

    It makes sense. Inagine if Bobby is dating Suzy and he wants her to suck his dick. She might if they see a movie in theatres, but will he really if he torrents the movie and wants her to watch it with him on his computer?

    • Guest of a Guest

      My Lord!

      Bobby needs to get a banging home theater with media streaming abilities. Suzy won’t know the difference, within reason, and gets the bonus of not having an usher try to break them up nor having pervs get the couple on a cell camera in the middle of that act of oral love.

      I just assumed the BJ would happen within the theater; previews are a good time. That is just my assumption.

      Actually… MPAA could improve theater attendance by encouraging BJs at all non-children movies. Good plan.

      What sex act does Bobby get if he just passes on the theater trip and gets Suzy a BD copy later?

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    I wouldn’t have downloaded all the movie if i get free dvd’s of the movie i already watched :p

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  • JB

    The real issue is these studies themselves, whether performed by Hollywood, or independent groups. The embedded flaw in all of the data is that there is always a correlation made between piracy and sales, which possesses too many variables to be substantiated. Hollywood’s argument has always been that if someone views a pirated movie for free, then that equates a lost sale. What if someone only wants to view the pirated copy, with no intentions of seeing it at a theater? So, if there was no pirated copy, they wouldn’t view the film anyway, so is that considered a lost sale. Another example, what if someone downloads a pirated film, but also views it at the theater, how is that calculated into quantifiable A = B data?

    The true measure of these studies should be about measuring the levels of piracy, and not about how that equates to sales.

    • Jrariton

      Wow JB. You’re impressively ignorant. Did you read the paper before writing your completely irrelevant comment, or just chime in without looking at the paper?

      The paper acknowledges that the correlation between piracy and sales is not causal (for the reasons you mentioned) and then makes a very solid attempt at figuring out whether piracy truly has a negative EFFECT on sales. In social sciences it’s nearly impossible to prove anything 100% certain, but this paper makes a claim with very strong support. It’s ok if you aren’t convinced, but if you read the paper you’d realize that the discussion is way past the simple argument of “correlation is not causation.”

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    Is there a link to this study?

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