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BREIN Cites Newzbin Defeat, Shuts Dutch Usenet Links Site

Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN has been flexing its metaphorical muscles again, this time to shut down a lesser-known Usenet site. MasterNZB offered .nzb files, the Usenet equivalent of .torrent files, but following pressure from the Hollywood funded group it folded to legal threats.

Anti-piracy group BREIN is probably best known on a global scale for its work in forcing the closure of Netherlands-based BitTorrent indexer, Mininova. The closure of this huge site didn’t happen in isolation though, since operations against other, much smaller sites had earlier smoothed the way.

BREIN’s tactics are fairly transparent. In order to take down larger sites more easily, BREIN first uses its strength to dominate very small sites that are ill-equipped to fight back and defend themselves. By obtaining favorable rulings against these relative minnows, BREIN is able to create a favorable legal climate in which to attack the larger targets, supported by rulings which might never had happened had they gone after the bigger sites first.

While BitTorrent sites have been the traditional target for BREIN, more recently they have paid more attention to Usenet-related sites. Its case against the FTD community is still ongoing.

“Hyperlinks, torrents, NZB-files or other technical possibilities to download copyrighted works are not provided,” FTD’s lawyer Arnoud Engelfriet earlier explained. “BREIN says in effect that it should be forbidden to talk about downloading material.”

However, while FTD have the resources to stand up to BREIN, other sites do not. On Friday, lesser-known NZB site MasterNZB announced that it had been forced to close down after BREIN threatened its owner, Stefan M, with legal action.

“Dear Members, unfortunately we have bad news! That is, we are summoned by BREIN to shut down our site,” said the statement. “We hope you had fun at out website. We certainly had a good time with you.”

BREIN links the closure of MasterNZB with the decision in the UK a couple of weeks ago to issue an injunction against Usenet-indexer, Newzbin.

“The Dutch courts generally find that such services are illegal and liable for damages because they make systematic and structural use of the availability of unauthorized files on the Internet,” the group said in a statement.

What is particularly telling about the strategy employed by BREIN, is that while they are happy to threaten or take legal action against those who simply index illicit content, they make no attempts to go after the Usenet companies (Giganews, Highwinds etc) that actually host the infringing material.

Make no mistake, these companies carry huge amounts of infringing material on their servers but, unlike most of the smaller sites targeted by BREIN (they claim to have shut down 15 Usenet indexers to date), they also have considerable resources with which to fight back. Taking on these guys would be a considerable drain on BREIN’s resources and could even damage them beyond repair.

But that’s not going to happen. Plenty of small guys to go after yet.

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  • antiantipiracy.blogspot.com

    Come on guys let’s team up together and fight!

  • Captain Sarcasm

    Fuck them. With a retractable baton.

    I’m off to found a country where the laws are build on common sense. Who’s with me?

  • GrX

    i don’t see how this stupid org has the power it has to do what it pleases.

    even talking about downloading should be illigal? WTF… that has just really got my blood boiling even talking about something can or should be illigal who the hell do these people think they are?

    i’m supprised someones not burned their building to the ground by now in this day and age we live in

    so many sites and millions of users of all combined sites and this company is still standing proud and tall?

    they one day will just push someone to the edge and well when that day comes and TF reports on it i’ll be the first one to reply with

    “i’m supprised it took this long”

    Their is no way to fight @ no 1 because the laws are bent paid for on behalf of these people.

    if they can’t bend the actual laws and get em changed they bribe the judges and the courts.

    there is no way to win a fair fight at all with the legal system considering how currupt and immoral it has become.

  • Reasoned Mind

    “there is no way to win a fair fight at all with the legal system considering how currupt and immoral it has become.”

    Oh sure, while the act of putting our privacy at risk so you can make a free copy of something you know perfectly well was always intended for sale is OH SO Moral. lol

    Pirate, thy name is hypocrisy.

  • powtrix

    wikileaks.org – they wants you!

  • lafoilleuse

    think usenet will be tough nut for these cowards to crack.to my knowledge there has never been a successful proecution against any usenet uploader or downloader(correct me please if am wrong).until that day comes guess we´re full throttle max out bandwidth

  • Rboy

    What has all of these actions of Brien to date accomplished? File sharing has not declined a minute percentage.

    When I think back at how hit and miss forums and ftp’s were and how slow some other forms of sharing were edonky, kazaa etc, todays forms of file sharing see so much better.

    The only thing all these actions do is encourage us to come up with better forms of sharing. In 10 years from torrents and nzb files will seem quaint.

    Filing sharing will never end and will only get bigger and faster. Media companies will have to get used to the idea intellectual property has only short term value while it is hot.

    By the way artists perform and people write whether there is money or not. It is silly and unlogical for any government to worry about the collapse of culture and insinuating piracy will destroy it.

  • GrX

    Dear neo you bring no sane argument to any posts i have seen i have not called you out or called you a troll or anything but you are really starting to anoy me.

    Why is it you think they way you do? i would love to speak to you and run some things by you and see if you could agree dissagree or give me a bloody good argument do you have msn or an email address we can contact?

    i’d love to see it the way you see it but in return I’d put some amazing questions to you which you would not be-able to answer and not be-able to side with “the industry”

    you might win where ever you come from with whom ever you talk too but you wouldn’t win with me

    so want to battle it out ?

  • Freedom.Fighter

    At the risk of feeding a troll, I’m going to respond to RM.

    My right to freedom of speech is greater than ANYONE’S right to a profit. I don’t care if your Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, or the Queen of England. I have the right to my freedom of speech. I also have to right to face an accuser BEFORE being punished. The DEB disagrees, and is a mockery of the accomplishment democracy has made in the world. The ability to punish citizens is reserved to governments, not industries, and no amount of bad mouthing, stealing, or cheating from that industry gives it the right to act as a governing body. There is no reasoned way of placing industry before liberty. None what so ever.

    And as a secondary not, the fact that illegal downloading is illegal neither:
    a) makes it immoral, it makes illegal and they are separate things
    or
    b)eschews the necessity for corporations to function within the bounds of law. One man breaking the law does not give a Police man the right to break the law. One man breaking copyright law does not give Rights Holders a right to break the law.
    The DEB is an unconstitutional, draconian, close minded, statist, freedom robbing assault on human rights, because it allows punishment based on accusation, not evidence; and because it allows for the silencing of groups without due process.

    I may disagree with all you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it! ~Voltaire

  • lol @ GrX

    Good luck with that, he has never responded to any argument and has been proven wrong repeatedly.

    Understand that people don’t call him ‘Troll’ just because they don’t like what he says.. its because he spouts complete BS that you, I and he know can be refuted and win, so he chooses to only say his lies and run. AKA Troll.

    His method has been in use since the beginning of time. Its nothing new and sadly it is still effective to the uninformed.

  • messed up

    How i can’t believe this wow!! Hackers its time to attack and wish they never started making companies to profit off file shares.

    The WAR STARTS NOW!!

  • Anonymous

    There goes Reasoned Mind blaming the pirates for Hollywood’s actions again. Of course if copyright agents were kicking people’s doors down at random to search their computers, Reasoned would be ok with it, and still blame the pirates.

    I do agree that there are way too many pirates right now, it’s a shame that so much network capacity is wasted on transferring Hollywood garbage. But that’s no reason to support them. I want nothing to do with the MPAA/RIAA and their products, so when they infringe on my rights I have a problem with them, not pirates.

  • *dimond

    Im surprise BREIN has not had all their computer nuked, so all their hardware is worthless and they have to go bankrupt because of their unethical company strategy.

    There building will be soon burned to the ground soon enough, if they keep up their unethical behavior.

  • yeah

    @ Apr 12, 2010 at 21:02 by Reasoned Mind
    “there is no way to win a fair fight at all with the legal system considering how currupt and immoral it has become.”

    Oh sure, while the act of putting our privacy at risk so you can make a free copy of something you know perfectly well was always intended for sale is OH SO Moral. lol

    Pirate, thy name is hypocrisy.

    ANSWER: I agree with RM, it is total hypocrisy!

  • Notsu Cow

    They just want the Streisand effect folks. My only question is why the feck don’t those sites that are closing or close or whatever don’t share their databases so when they go down, we have clones? They need to start if they are not doing it already.

  • Anonymous

    Post to torrentfreak
    Post disappears

  • Ninja

    Heh, that’s strategy folks. Can’t blame them. But they should take into account the damage they have already caused to their image. Maybe the exchange is fair? /irony

    They keep blabbing about how file sharing causes the loss of thousands of jobs but how many jobs have they killed so far in their Anti-P2P crusade? How many lives they ruined so far? But it’s none of their concern, they’ll give jobs to everyone anyway and every single person in the world will kneel before them and give them their money whenever they throw content around, regardless of quality or pricing… And Measoned Rind trolled us with … Hypocrisy? /sarcasm

  • lol

    The more people who talk about usenet, the bigger usenet becomes. Great job, Raisin-Brein :P

  • Mr. Goobers splooged in the fruit punch!

    @ 8 GrX

    You’re wasting your time, mate – I’ve come to the conclusion that this troll doesn’t even exist. I’m willing to bet TorrentGeek is behind neo / mind. A sort of “devil’s advocate” in drag, if you prefer – an abomination to fuel the file-sharing controversy and blurt out enough senseless arguments to fuel a discussion or two. Nearly every time I’ve challenged “his” idiocies and contradictions, my posts have been “moderated” into oblivion. Perfectly sane arguments without any profanities or personal attacks, yet I’ve been censored 99% of the time. I thought “he” was an industry shill (as others have suggested) but no – this creature stinks of TorrentGeek.

    I like reading this mess but seriously, they don’t need to stoop to this level just to grab a few more readers…

  • Hi

    @14 “Post to torrentfreak
    Post disappears”
     
    tell me about it! adding to discussions here is censored heavily by TF.

  • Anonymous

    Basing your entire economy on imaginary property is a joke, and America wants to find this out the hard way.

  • Mr. Goobers splooged in the fruit punch!

    Seriously, what the heck are they so afraid of? I might make their neo / mind creation look stupid? Let the free exchange of ideas roll – isn’t that the whole freakin’ point?!

    Perhaps I’ve splooged too many times in someone’s punch…

  • $$PAID 2 TROLL$$

    Here’s a recent quote from RM:
    “If harddrive based sneakernet becomes the next means to piracy, pirates using those methods will compel harddrive registration and routine/random inspection. If VPN and encryption are used for unlawful behavior, they will be licensed too.”

    That’s kind of crossing the border into Retardland.

  • Anon

    What’s the next step for usenet type services ? What will the future bring in terms of technology.

  • GP

    Any file-sharing site (whether direct links, nzb, or torrent) that charges for access is a commercial piracy operation and needs to be killed.

    Any site that performs such services at no cost to users is simply sharing, as any good neighbour would do. They should be allowed to continue their operation.

    Please in future articles of this type note whether the site in question received funding from users.

  • antiantipiracy.blogspot.com

    “Any file-sharing site (whether direct links, nzb, or torrent) that charges for access is a commercial piracy operation and needs to be killed.”

    Agreed. Why paying for Usenet for having free stuff? Why not just buying it?

    But the worst guys are groups like BREIN that think we will buy everything. Funny guys them.

  • Bertus

    Funny part is that downloading movies and music is completely legal by Dutch Law. So they even managed to bring down a site that links to (mostly) legal material.

  • No Hope for RM

    Here’s a recent quote from RM:
    “f harddrive based sneakernet becomes the next means to piracy, pirates using those methods will compel harddrive registration and routine/random inspection. If VPN and encryption are used for unlawful behavior, they will be licensed too.”

    That’s kind of crossing the border into Retardland.

    That RIAtard isn’t on the border, he is in Retardland, or more precisely is Retardland’s very own president.

    It never seems to amaze me with the logic that this RIAtard comes out with.

  • us

    awesome! the media industry will crush the consumer! it will not boost sales because the consumer will be gone, but it will guarantee the old model stays in place.

  • Mr. Goobers splooged in the fruit punch!

    Hmm, neo RIAAtard sure is quiet all of the sudden…

    C’mon lad, you can’t possibly keep still this long! Give us a few more of those dire predictions to rouse the rabble, TorrentGeek – whoops, I mean neo / mind… ;-)

    Regards,
    Mr. Goobers <3

  • Pokemon

    then what would happen if pirates would work together and sue brien? would Tim Kiuk soon run out of money?

  • Mob

    Can Mister Engelfriet explain on which basis brein can be sued? SLANDER? I already said it in 2006: I am still waiting for some big billionaire to counter sue MPAA/RIAA for false allegations, and that will shut them up for a while…

  • GrX

    okies i give you enough time to give me some kind of feedback or a way to get in touch with you and you have not even had the decency to reply back so i will say my [shortened down post here]

    but before i do i want to say this every single site that is up once they get busted or made to close they should then offer their Scripts/site source as GPL open source so others can continue with their legacy this is how the whole thing started

    just imagine for 1 minuete if torrentbits the original site did not offer their source code to the public before they shut… exactly no sites of this magnitude would exist so what happens now when these people who’s running sites get busted do they offer up their scripts or source ? nope they dont they just sit on it as if it is useful to them anymore instead of it being like a big FU to the industry and the powers like brein.

    ———-

    Reason Mind / Neo.Styles who ever the hell you are i’d love to know what makes you think so one sided are you not a customer yourself? have you never once found yourself buying expensive media with your hard earned cash only to find that all LEGAL content is packed with Restriction after Restriction After Restriction DRM DRM DRM DRM, while the same time the pirated copy is free from all this?

    I think you forget the internet was designed to be a free online library of sorts and now look at the mess were all in with stupid outdated copyright??? ebooks = books on the internet locked DRM’d they dont open after so many reads can’t print them out, if you share the book you get yourself in legal trouble… what the hell? the goverment allowed the internet to be just that a library of information now due to these DEB bills and such they are now saying if you use the internet for what it was intended for you now get warnings fines and disconnection.

    Lets look at Filesharing shall we.

    Reason/Neo explain to me if you can how is it possible an artist can be discovered to the masses if filesharing wasn’t around? not talking about the massive artists i’m talking about indie bands and the likes of un-known un heard of bands? after all every band at first is un-heard of.

    Case 1 the millions of people all sharing files from an artist called robbie williams and you can to this day still find people who don’t know who the guy is in the usa and this is after his music is shared by the millions so just try to imagine if filesharing didn’t exist all these bands would get no free publicity no new people would ever come to hear of them and why should they or could they without filesharing???? its next to impossible.

    Now moving on to ISP’s

    millions of people have broadband and have had for years high speed 1mb/20mb back then itunes itvplayer hulu and all the other legal sites never existed infact back when i got broadband nothing existed so why is the isp selling me super fast connections and charging me a great deal for it too if there is nothing what so ever i can use it on? does the isp provide content for me to use my broadband on???? nope … but they still want x amount a month.

    Finally DivX/XviD movies and TV shows …

    To Date 90 Million DivX Stand-Alone Players have been Sold worldwide they have been created and Stamped by the FCC and other industry bodies as being fit for use fit for purpose and then sold to millions on millions of people.

    Tell me name me 1 shop i can go in and buy DivX/XviD Movies or TV shows …. Tell me name me 1 online store LEGALLY i can go buy Movies/TV shows in that format that works on my Legal Approved DivX player???? not a god damn thing thats what… so they make these players but make no content what so ever for them?

    do i pirate no i do not see what i do as pirating i buy games i’m sick of DRM i’m sick of being told what i can/cannot do with things i buy so since i paid for a LICENCE to use it doesn’t say i must use the plastic disc i didn’t buy the disc i bought the game/Licence so i will download un-DRM versions.

    Music i buy music over the years so the new albums i see already have most tracks from albums i buy say i have 9000 albums ans a new album comes out if i went through them 9000 albums I’m sure to find that song on there on the new album if i can find every single song I’m not paying twice for what is now a mix tape.

    Now before i finish lets look at all the places online LEGAL i went through 40 legal sites TV/Music opps sorry this is not available in your region, i’m sorry to inform you due to copyright we can’t let you listen to this song,

    i’m sorry the tv show you request cannot be shown in england.

    40 services!!!! not a single one i can use because of geo locking Grrr

    people need to tell this stupid industry there is a big wide world outside the USA honestly…

    Lets look at the sites the industry has shut down lets take mininova?

    they got it basically shut down in all respects now what have they done to help it??? have they offered their OLDER back catalogue? have they come up with a new legal service to help the users or to replicate the service? nope…

    they are going around shutting sites down and then doing nothing what so ever to help the people who’s then locked out.. mininova tried to go legal with their uploader program where’s all the help and support for them from the industry? where is the support or any kind of Great since you’ve killed yours entire site we will now help you to re-build it but in a legal mannor … where the hell is the legal alternative???? not a damn thing.

    i could go on and on and on but i said I’d keep this short so dare to challenge me Reason mind because you will not win you really have my blood boiling.

  • snuskB

    IF ANYONE FROM NETHERLANDS IS READING THIS, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY BREIN CAN SPEND EACH YEAR?????

  • TorrentYouAppart

    These sites need to move to Africa and work freely, its not that complicated. Mininova & now Usenet…do it!!
    Piracy has a its people you could use such environment like N.Africa they have the largest servers in the continent
    THEY ARE PRO-PIRACY!!!

  • gao federal piracy report is out

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20002304-261.html

    gao’s fed piracy report says to counterfeit educational material for more effective propagation.

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  • Reesoned Mind

    1. Ridiculous prediction
    2. “THE INDUSTRY CRUSHES ALL WHO OPPOSE IT!”
    3. “The blood of the internet is on your hands PIRATE SCUM!”
    4. trolled_hard.jpg

  • Mr. Goobers splooged in the fruit punch!

    Hey GrX, allow me to be neo / mind for one moment…

    “Pirates are cheap.”

    False – “pirates” spend big bucks on expensive broadband and storage devices.

    “Pirates steal.”

    False – file sharers make copies and remove nothing. Pirates are at sea. And they don’t care for digital content.

    “Content providers should be paid for their work!”

    Correct – but not a tiny percentage between 2% to 5% while some middleman keeps the rest. I have yet to hear neo / mind support the actual artists, as opposed to the “rights holders.” His agenda, if “he” does exist, is clear as day.

    “Either pay or do without!”

    Pure extortion when one has to pay a given monopoly’s exorbitant fees. The global economy is in the sewer – “entertainment” should not replace food, shelter, education or real necessities. “Do without?” How about a complete boycott so the studios can “do without?” Since he loves to make dire predictions, I have one for him – let the studios continue this shenanigans while alienating more and more consumers instead of taking advantage of an infrastructure which could ultimately prove more profitable than their current antiquated business models. We’ll see who will be “doing without” unless these nimrods adapt and change with the times. I’m not spending $15.00 for a plastic disc. Give me the option of downloading FLAC at a fair price and I’ll gladly open my wallet.

    “VPN will be licensed / regulated / monitored.”

    Good – by the time that happens, there will be other avenues. Like it or not, things do not stand still. More draconian measures will only push us further underground – the other side will always be way behind whatever new technologies or methods will be exploited in the future. There is ample evidence of this already.

    “The government will crack down!”

    Whose government? Politicians came and go, laws are passed and modified, new technologies render them obsolete and eventually, if the nonsense doesn’t cease, consumers will ultimately lose interest and gravitate toward different forms of entertainment. You can only push people so far. Open any history book if you doubt me.

    Then, there will be a brief silence and neo / mind will jump on other thread with the same propaganda. Rather predictable at this point – you can almost set your watch by it…

    Mr. Goobers

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    All of these “wins” by the anti-piracy groups haven’t stopped me yet.

    Now, back to my sharing. xD

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  • Kevin Mitnick

    Free the Warez!

  • airhead

    what time is it?

  • Traum

    No fight, just more small service providers and it will drain (no)brain resources .

  • me

    I’ve been using Usenet even back to UUCP days (before TCP/IP), and still do today… but never ever needed NZB files. Can’t you guys use a regular NNTP client these days? The point is: you DON’T NEED .nzb files to fetch files/articles from Usenet. What’s all this moaning and whining about?

  • Brandon

    Where are these Brein Douchbags getting their money from? Are they still trying to steal money from the elderly, disabled, small children and the occasional printer? I’d like to know. I am sure the original copyright holder is receiving nothing from them. Someone needs to take out their funding and income resources they they can’t fight anybody…

  • BigM

    and they’ll have a hard road to tackle usenet servers because it’s a protocol. A fairly early protocol. I think 1982. It’s like saying you can’t have the web because it uses http://, and websites post copyrighted files. Well usenet is nntp://. It easily 8 to 12 years older than the web and has a lot of non infringing uses. Even under the U.S. DCMA it’s protected as a protocol

  • Anonymous

    #5

    just donated 20$

    feels good man

  • Whatever

    BREIN doesn’t only attack the weak but they seem to go much further and just lie, like pretending a DDOS attack on their site and blaming TPB supporters (Isn’t making such accusations an offence ?). It was proven by a site that the attack didn’t happen (forgot which exactly).

    @34 Mr. Goobers splooged in the fruit punch!
    You can add “(historical) pirates were the first democracy”

  • romy

    fuck them and go to http://www.homie.in, a new binary search engine

  • Ang3r

    Ever wonder where Brein get so much money, and how Holland has a hard time from copyright lobby groups?
    ApathE, the dutch movie company.
    They are the ones buying your laws and imposing their will on others by means of scandal, corruption and money.

  • Brandon

    ApatheE, The Dutch movie company? NEVER heard of them or any movie they ever produced. They should invest their money into ACTUALLY making a movie instead of scrounging around trying to scrape up pennys from their Epic fail movies… Just an idea…

  • Brandon

    Friday night TPB=31,000,000 users Choke on that Brein…

  • GrX

    Very Good Mr Goobers :)

  • anon

    @ Reasoned F4g and all the other F4g0tz that support this out of f4cking m1nd idealism

    OH YEA SO MORAL TO PAY 4SSHOLES TO MAKE CORRUPT RULES – which is exactly what u f4gs are saying (so stfu and i hope ur wives/gf’s rape u with a rubber dick)

    example of corrupted BS ==>>>Lets make a TV licence
    just cuz i have a TV and a copper wire(potential antenna) i have to pay TAX -.- well FUCK YOU, i dont watch ur shitty channels, i had vhs, have dvd, xboxes playstations (WHICH REQUIRE A TV) however watching ur shitty channels is not an option.. anyway, lets do this, just cuz u all have internet, you have potentiall access to my site, SOO? LETS MAKE A NEW LEGISLATION, PAY TAX TO ME TO STAY LEGAL, OTHERWISE BE LABLED AS AN OUTLAW!

    FAGS

    ps. go dig yourselves a grave, cuz once the justice prevails, you will need it, and hopefully people will bury you with all the dirty money u posess (and yea it is dirty)

    ps.s. once you outlaw your entire country… and it turns on you – you will become the minority(i mean when the new self elected govenrment steps in(pirates, anti-anti-piracy pps, and other pps wantin 2 kick ur 455) and declares all of you as outlaws for crimes against err human nature), id love 2 be one of the first ones to kick ur asses to jail =D for corruption extortion, conspiracy to commit fraud and anything else i can think of =)

    ps.s.s. the moderator can feel free to replace some of the words here to suit the public eye.

  • usenet_user

    “Why paying for Usenet for having free stuff? Why not just buying it?”

    paying for usenet is like paying your ISP. your not paying for warez at all.

    “I’ve been using Usenet even back to UUCP days (before TCP/IP), and still do today… but never ever needed NZB files. Can’t you guys use a regular NNTP client these days? The point is: you DON’T NEED .nzb files to fetch files/articles from Usenet. What’s all this moaning and whining about?”

    agreed. This is how I started using newsgroups. NZB’s are just so much easier though. Worst come to worst I’ll just go back to grabbing headers. Or use irc based nzb repositories.

  • bert

    are you sure its wise to thow down the gauntlet to the anti p2p crowd torrentfeak

    it just may encourage them to even greater hights of stupidity costing everyone else

    especially so on behalf of others did you at least ask them first!

  • aaa

    awating moderation…. hmmm have i been put on a watch list??
    testing…

  • aaa

    -.- thats a srange form of thanks for the help you have there!!!

  • aaa

    torrent freak
    mabe its this that needs moderation

  • bert

    so its not a keyword filter

  • Jeff

    Trolling here by RM/neo does not do one thing to change the opinions and behavior of people who regularly read this blog, post in it, and use torrents/Usenet.

    So why continue to troll?

    You’re just wasting electrons, RM/neo. No one here who file shares is listening to you two.

  • gwendolyn

    brein attacked only two big sites in 2009: mininova and piratebay. piratebay is still up.

  • Reasoned Mind

    Jeff @ 60, I can’t speak for Neo but the time I send here, reading and posting, is very valuable to me. For one thing, TF regs tend to tip their cards routinely, revealing their next bit torrent site, their plans for encryption, VPN, and so on. This site is like a primer for anyone wanting to know what to target next. So just that alone has extraordinary value.

    But the bigger return on investment is the insight into the pirate mind, the “something for nothing” mentality, the shallow entitlement to steal online, the false sense of security, the belief the internet will never be accountable. Only losers believe in the “stick it to the man” mentality. Real achievers never thought in those terms. That’s the truly entertaining part.

    While the pirates repeatedly try to confuse “free speech” with “free entertainment files”, and also try to build a case that there exists some right to use privacy as a cloak to unlawful behavior, (and of course there is not) the legislators and governments the world over take tiny, incremental steps (by now almost 11 years worth) to see where the tipping point is, the point where unlawful behavior of ALL kinds, not just piracy, is finally beginning to be curtailed. That time grows closer every day. Pirates should never forget that an unaccountable internet has no real value for anyone BUT the pirates, and as the network gains a central role in the way we live our lives, the lawful citizens will demand a control that is not yet (but will be) achieved.

    But mostly, as the government slowly makes your online life more dangerous I just read TF and post here to watch you squeal when they squeeze like the thieving pigs you really are.

  • CensorFreak

    @62
    They waited 11 years until everybody and their dog was pirating before starting their “huge crackdown”? Brilliant.

    I hate seeing so much bandwidth being used to download Hollywood’s thinly-veiled propaganda, but if this is what it takes to turn public opinion against them, let’s do it.

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