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Can Google Secure a Safe Haven for BitTorrent Sites?

When the operators of The Pirate Bay were sentenced to prison last year Google quickly distanced itself from the site. Nearly a year later, three of Google’s employees have just received suspended jail sentences in Italy for failing to prevent a video from being uploaded to Google Video, placing them in a similar position as most torrent site admins.

googleMuch like Google, The Pirate Bay and isoHunt are search engines that aim to index information posted on the Internet and make it findable to their users.

Google’s YouTube shows even more similarities to torrent sites as it allows users to submit content, with the only difference being that YouTube actually hosts the uploaded files whereas torrent sites only link to content indirectly through .torrent files.

In the last year, three of the largest torrent sites – The Pirate Bay, Mininova and isoHunt – were all taken to court by copyright holders for assisting in copyright infringement, and all three sites lost their cases to some degree. Strangely enough Google has never said a word about these cases other than to distance themselves from The Pirate Bay team after they were sentenced.

Despite this attempt at demarcation, three Google employees are now in a very similar position as the aforementioned torrent site operators. An Italian court just handed out suspended jail sentences to three Google employees for ‘allowing’ users to upload a video that invaded the privacy of a third person.

The three employees were not aware of the upload before they were notified by the police, but they made it possible, much like they make it possible to upload copyrighted content. The similarities with torrent search engines are striking.

It is needless to say that Google is not amused by the court ruling. While the company kept its mouth shut in response to the legal actions surrounding the torrent search engines, they now speak of an attack on “the very principles of freedom on which the Internet is built.”

“Common sense dictates that only the person who films and uploads a video to a hosting platform could take the steps necessary to protect the privacy and obtain the consent of the people they are filming,” Google’s Matt Sucherman wrote in a blog post yesterday.

This response from Google does indeed seem logical, and we can easily apply the same reasoning to sites that index and host .torrent files. The operators of torrent sites and video sites can’t possibly verify and screen the content of all uploaded files. This is something the site’s users should be held accountable for.

This doesn’t mean of course that the site’s operators should ignore the law. The Pirate Bay for example has always been very responsive to requests from the police concerning illegal material linked to by the site. IsoHunt goes even further as it actively works together with copyright holders and Mininova even allowed copyright holders to prevent infringing torrents from being re-uploaded in the future.

According to Google such policies should be good enough to operate a site like YouTube without running into legal trouble.

“European Union law was drafted specifically to give hosting providers a safe harbor from liability so long as they remove illegal content once they are notified of its existence. The belief, rightly in our opinion, was that a notice and take down regime of this kind would help creativity flourish and support free speech while protecting personal privacy,” Sucherman writes.

So here we have Google in a similar position as most torrent sites are in. Although the Italian verdict is outrageous the obvious upside is that unlike the torrent sites, Google has the financial power to successfully fight the verdict. According to former Pirate Bay spokesman Peter Sunde, Google got what it deserved.

“It’s good that someone takes on Google for a change. Let them take the heat for once – and let them make sure that other sites that they’ve previously had no problem filtering, that basically do the same as them, don’t end up in this shit the next time,” Sunde told TorrentFreak.

“I think it’s good that time has finally caught up Google. Maybe now we have a level playing field here. They have to take the fight as well. Previously they only said nice things about how important the Internet was, and then ignored all of the things going on. Even supporting them – China for instance,” he added.

“A big player like Google has the financial muscles to fight this thing. And we all know that Italy is just full of rules made by Berlusconi, for Berlusconi,” Sunde said, adding, “That fascist needs to go.”

Google has indeed committed itself, and said it “will vigorously appeal this decision.” The whole case revolves around the question of whether or not the operators of media portals and search engines should be held accountable for the actions of their users.

In recent months Italian courts have clearly answered positively to this question. They have opened the door for a nationwide block of file-sharing sites and with yesterday’s decision file and video hosting sites are not safe any longer either. So the next question is, can Google secure a safe haven for torrent sites?

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  • chaos

    Interesting. I’m curious how this will turn out.

    PS: First :P

  • Walrus

    2683f82c24c7615c7293260fb1606970e26b1c44

    That is an “infohash”. Its a small part of a magnet URI. You can use this “infohash” to poll DHT for peers for a swarm. This does not replace the need for a torrent client to have a torrent file, but it does replace the need for websites to host .torrent files. This, along with DHT itself, allow websites to simply become metadata aggregators. All you need from a website now is comments from other people who have download the file and perhaps a lengthier descript. However, since the site isn’t critical to the infrastructure anymore, you can simply pass infohashes along irc, sms messages, instant messengers or even in person and still be able to get your files (and it wont be like other networks where you kinda might get something related to the keyword you put it, it will be checked for accurate data just like any bittorrent download).

    tldr; We don’t need trackers anymore.

    for mods: don’t worry, its the infohash to “ubuntu-9.10-alternate-amd64.iso”

  • Tigger

    Ive been hoping something like this would happen for a long time. Google could truely be the ‘free internet’ saviour.
    With the muscle google would bring to the fight, we could finally take the fight to the MPAA’s front door instead of just waiting to be sued =P

    If google play they’re cards right, they could set some completley awesome precedents.

    …I wonder if they allow pop-corn in a court room? lol!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah poke the giant monster in the eye while its sleeping and see what happens…

  • Joe

    the thing is though, uploading to video to youtube and torrent sites are black and white comparison. youtube is notoriously known for amateur video uploads vs torrent sites known for downloading illegal content.

    Comparing the two is just down right retarded. I am an active tv/xvid downloader, but I just hate it how torrent sites and downloaders hide behind the ‘legal’ aspect.

    In reality, for every 1 legal torrent uploaded, there is probably 50,000 illegal torrents. With youtube, the ration is probably reverse.

    sheesh

  • Zacqary Adam Green

    “The Pirate Bay for example has always been very responsive to requests from the police concerning illegal material linked to by the site.”

    Responsive? Well, yes, they certainly do respond to takedown notices.

    But come on, let’s be realistic, isoHunt and Mininova’s responses to takedown notices are absolutely not in the same category as The Pirate Bay’s.

  • chaos

    @6, yeah, had to laugh at that statement too :D

    TPB was certainly VERY responsive ^^

    Quote by TPB: “You’re free to demand anything you want. So are we. We demand that you cease and desist sending letters like this, since they’re frivolous and
    meaningless. Where should I send the bill for the consumed diskspace and
    bandwidth?”

  • Anonymous

    #6
    “The Pirate Bay for example has always been very responsive to requests from the POLICE concerning illegal material linked to by the site.”

    Those legal threats on their site are from the right holders not the police.

  • chaos

    Oh yeah right, missed that one word…

    Note to self: Read before you post -.-

  • heddy

    Google didn’t build a business around copyright infrigement. Take away every infohash or pirated video from google and YouTube and you still have profitable companies. Take the pirated stuff from tpb or isohunt and what do you have? Not very much.

  • eh

    isn’t this about the bullying video that got upped on youtube and nothing to do with copyright?

  • jiminy

    Google will not save filesharers, it will only look after it’s own interests

    If you really want to make a difference, join your local Pirate Party, if one doesn’t exist, create one

    No-one could have predicted how big the Swedish pirate party would become when it first started and there’s no telling just how big the global Pirate movement will become in the coming years

    Stand up for what you believe in

  • meh

    >> isn’t this about the bullying video that got upped on youtube and nothing to do with copyright?

    @11: Yes it is.

  • Geoff

    This is like the internet equivalent of pearl harbour. The copyright scammers are going to be annoyed with Italy for dragging google into this.

  • sz6tdcsffg

    “The Pirate Bay and isoHunt are search engines that aim to index information posted on the Internet and make it findable to their users”

    To my knowledge, TPB does not index infos posted on the net.

  • oli

    Problem is Google was started by the same people who are screwing the system, Google got officially into bed with the NSA recently.

    The result of all this is very uncertain.

  • Anonymous

    It’s no secret that much of the stuff on Google Video and YouTube infringes copyright.

    Maybe Google’s execs should be sent to jail just like the Pirate Bay’s founders.

  • Walrus

    @10

    Not so much, you’d have dancing cats and whiney bloggers. While that may make some money, Google’s interest is in indexing THE INTERNET. Not indexing the small pile of content nobody has bothered to litigate over.

  • Afficianado

    My daughter downloads all her Mp3 off Youtube.

  • Anonymous

    I’m Italian and this country is crazy.

    The judges here have no more technological knowledge than a monkey, with no offences for monkeys.

    Italy is corrupted, hypocrite, fake, rude, ignorant. The average italian is all of the above.

    What else did you expect?

    By the way, don’t hold your breath. Legal system here is so slow that Google won’t get an appeal before 3-4 years from now. And even then, they can decide to “appeal the appeal”, as they are 3 grades in the juridical italian system.

  • Tricky

    Wonder what the Italian government would do if Google decided to cut Italy off from their services?

  • lverona

    I doubte Google would help. In fact, with its business incentives it is possible it will find a safe agreement for itself, further agreeing to fight the rest of the “pirates”. Look at YouTube, how much material is being brought down because somewhere in the background you have a copyrighted song playing.

  • lverona

    I’d also like to add that the difference between Google indexing Internet and TPB indexing torrents is, of course, obvious. The rhetoric, while a method to try to win a case in court, in real life is of course pointless. And while torrent technology can be used for anything, it is also true 90% of it is being used to share copyrighted material.
    The fact that people try to sugarcoat this only shifts the main problem away – the problem of copyright law itself.
    It can and should be openly admitted that YouTube, GoogleVideo, TPB, isoHunt and other torrent sites are platforms which make sharing of content easier. It should be fully admitted that 90% of shared content, if not more, is copyrighted material. And it should further be admitted, especially by pro copyright people, that the more time goes, the less it is technically possible to filter shared content. These are facts.
    Conclusion is obvious.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    I personally think that the “do no harm” company of Google are hypocrites. I seriously doubt that they are really out there to “free the internet” or to fight for the rights and freedoms of information or the users. They may only appear to do so as long as it makes the company look good.

    They are purportedly creating “cloud computing” so that no one needs a hard drive where all you would need is a terminal that logs in to their remote computers where all of your applications and files are to be stored. This sounds good in theory and whether or not you have something to hide, this would mean that thanks to the DMCA your private data will always be available and open to abuse at a media corporations whim. If you store your text, audio and video files on the “cloud”, thanks to DMCA any media corporation (book/music/video publishers) will be able to gain access to all of your files looking for anything that could be infringing. I’m sure that any file that you store in the “cloud” would be considered to be the property of Google including pictures of your children, corporate e-mails, company trade secrets and your grandmothers secret apple pie recipe. Perhaps Google might have some pervert employee that randomly goes in and peers in to user accounts and views and downloads pictures of your children or grandchildren. Should I even bother to mention that the government could go in and browse all of your files in the “cloud”? What about how in the “cloud” they have the ability to prevent you from going to certain web sites that some other media corporation say is “illegal”? What if hackers hack the main servers and have access to thousands or millions of accounts? Who will be held accountable then for the mass violation of privacy and the lost productivity time for business employees?

    Google and all other cloud computing corporations really need to seriously consider how the DMCA is going to be the biggest headache for their planned future business models. The principal for cloud computing sounds great, but in reality it has potential to be disastrous being open to abuse and “big brother” control. Even more-so, the DMCA will cripple and stifle technological innovation for the cloud and can even kill the whole concept.

    .torrent and magnet links will be completely killed in the cloud.

    I predict a major FAIL for Google. The media corporations have strategically placed their people throughout many levels of government, and they carefully crafted legislated that serves them only. The people that the media corporations have strategically placed pulling the strings of power, and the DMCA itself are going to be major obstacles for Google.

  • Daniel D.

    If, while walking late at night in a dark part of a park, someone kicks my ass and steals my money is the mayor going to get trialed for facilitating this? Or is he going to have to put street lights all over the town so there would be no poor lit area at any time?
    I guess not!
    Than why would Google, trackers’ admins or anyone that offers LEGAL services be accused of anything or forced to do anything if their users do something stupid?
    If Google (with it’s financial power, of course) is going to go clean now it will always be an example for those to come and the world will never be the same again.

  • ejang

    I love Google. A superpower company that actually seeks to protect the internet.

  • Anonymous

    They can outlaw all they want. Too bad laws don’t mean jack shit if they’re unenforceable.

  • tigui

    Thats the best thing that could ever happen to us file sharers

    We have a friend who has money now!!!

    F**k the law and long life to internet freedom!!!!!

  • Ninja

    Now that might make Google take a more active instance in this issue. They flexed their muscles against China`s censorship – while I doubt it`ll change something it means they are up to the challenge.

    The 3 guys that were convicted along with many operators cannot even cope with the speed things are uploaded. Filters are useless since you can change names and even hash easily, not to mention encrypted compressed files. That`s why all of those sites provide ways to remove the copyrighted material upon notice…

    This ruling, as mentioned, is by Berlusconi for Berlusconi. But as said, it might be the trigger to the giant`s reaction and the beginning of a new phase. Maybe MAFIAA finally shot itself in the feet… With a nuke.

    I can`t wait to see what happens.

  • hms-one

    And you thought those ubiquitous ‘may as well sue google while you’re at it’ TF posts were just hyperbole. This is how f*ckers think. They don’t understand the internets. To them it is a series of tubes, and not a dumptruck.(quote former alaskan senator impeached for corruption if you didn’t know)

    Someone did something on the bad on the internet! Sue the Internet companies for letting them do it!

    *slobbers on self

    Just don’t forget that alot of the copyright ballsucking by youtube came After they were bought out. I honestly dont understand why people worship google as this imaginary EFF style defender of internet freedoms. Perhaps they only read stories From google as opposed to About google. This case is hardly guaranteed to set positive precedents. Don’t count your chickens just yet. Still, I will be watching this story closely.

  • Anonymous

    Cant wait to see where this goes.

  • John

    There are plenty of items which are used illegally, but are still perfectly acceptable things to buy/have.

    Off (and on) the top of my head – headphones are a good example. Seeing as 99% of the content on ALL my friend’s iPods is illegal, i would probably wager that headphones sold too anyone under the age of 30 will be used *mainly* to listen to Copyrighted material which the listener does not own a license for.

    In this example, headphones are acting exactly as a torrent tracker might – they are making available content which would have otherwise been un-obtainable (without a pair of headphones, you cannot listen to your music!)

    So when’s Sony going to sue their headphone division (who actually make pretty good headphones btw… but not as good as Klipsch)

  • Nutman

    Lol you guys have a lot of balls I’ll give you that. How can you honestly compare google or youtube and a torrent site and say they are operating similarly. Both google and youtube are extremely proactive in taking down illegal content, any illegal content that is still hosted on their sites they are not currently aware of, if they were they would take it down immediately. Torrent sites not only are fully aware that 99% of their content is illegal, many torrent site operators are involved in uploading material themselves.

    I wish for once people would stop trying to justify their torrent usage like it’s legal. I d/l tons of torrents but I would never try to justify it by saying it’s just like google.

  • John

    @33

    All Ferraris will break a road-speed limit.

    Those limits are there for people’s safety – if a Ferrari hit you at 40mph, you would be cut in two.

    So; would you suggest that Ferraris become illegal because they are dangerous and mainly used for illegal driving?

    Or perhaps you would like to argue semantics such as Ferraris shouldn’t be compared to ‘regular, all purpose, Google-like cars’ because they are built with a specific task in mind.

  • Ebumboo

    We need to put the Internet in jail.

  • groundhug day

    how many crack addicts were asked about this topic?

  • Anonymous

    ” 2683f82c24c7615c7293260fb1606970e26b1c44

    That is an “infohash”. Its a small part of a magnet URI. You can use this “infohash” to poll DHT for peers for a swarm. This does not replace the need for a torrent client to have a torrent file, but it does replace the need for websites to host .torrent files. This, along with DHT itself, allow websites to simply become metadata aggregators. All you need from a website now is comments from other people who have download the file and perhaps a lengthier descript. However, since the site isn’t critical to the infrastructure anymore, you can simply pass infohashes along irc, sms messages, instant messengers or even in person and still be able to get your files (and it wont be like other networks where you kinda might get something related to the keyword you put it, it will be checked for accurate data just like any bittorrent download).

    tldr; We don’t need trackers anymore.

    for mods: don’t worry, its the infohash to “ubuntu-9.10-alternate-amd64.iso”

    Oh look Walrus is so not a noob he know what info hashes are! Wow, technical stuff.

    I wonder if he will now state that there is no differences between infohashes and the file it links to? Ergo infohases should be copyrighted the same as the files they link to.

  • Super Mario

    >implying Italy isn’t run by the Mafia and facist politicians

    It’s hard to win against a legal system based around joke laws and breaking legs. Google should play it Italian style and bribe everybody.

  • Anon

    @38, they just might.

    Either way, Google has the financial muscle to win this. Which would be a good thing, since it would set a precedence for torrent sites.

  • SEEDplease

    I love TPB, but I wonder how they are able to operate after the operators were sentenced??
    How are they able to pull that off?

  • velvetfog

    I view the entire notion of there being a crime such as “facilitating copyright violation” to be bogus.

    The laws that implement such legally weak concepts could be used to not only jail Google employees, but also to send every librarian, ISP staffer and web hosting service staffer to prison.

    It is bad jurisprudence.

  • Rboy

    What is wrong with you people. None of the the torrent or index sites hold a single copyrighted file on their severs. There is no such thing as illegal torrents. There is no law anywhere that makes a torrent file by itself illegal.

    None of these sites charge for a torrent. Nor do they solicit them. The sites make a little money from adverts that is all.

    All of you trolls seem to put copyright infringement up there with murder and rape. Before the internet I read books mostly bought from used book stores. If I could not dl I would either wait to see reruns or rent videos or not bother at all. So even though I have dl’ed a lot total loss to the industry is close to 0. Napster, Youtube, torrents if anything increase sales not decrease then so where is the loss you stupid trolls.

    I hope google takes a stand because I wonder just how far this assisting copyright infringement bullsh#t can be carried before all our rights and culture is totally f’D UP,

  • Bart

    Its a stupid situation. I really don’t see the justification for service providers to held accountable for a users actions.

    You don’t see car companies being sued because people misuse their cars by exceeding speed limits or crashing into others. Imagine suing the manufacturer of a minivan because it was used to steal a 50″ LCD TV.

  • a voice in the wilderness

    it sounds like the employees have a good law suite against their employer.
    who would possible imagine that the just doing their job they could be ask risk of being the front man to an illegal operation such as google. how dare them use their employees as patsies.

    so in other words the Italian gov thinks google should be shut down now?

  • Walrus

    @37

    Herp derp.

    My point was that “protecting” bittorrent sites isn’t nessecary anymore.

  • io

    torrent sites are useless since emule and kademlia dht.

  • DeltaPan

    @6&7

    I think it’s in relation to nonces who attempt to upload paedophile material.

    TPB will take that off and bloody right an all.

    After some ****** posted a search engine for RapidShare on Suprbay which contained paedophile search terms i was shocked to discover how much of that type of material was **Hosted** on those sites, not just torrents like TPB.

    I made a considerable effort to get authorities to address the problem, for obvious reasons as much as there are enough nonces posing a serious threat to children without youngsters themselves downloading such material in a mainstream public domain with impunity from sites such as RapidShare and themselves becoming corrupted and a rise in subsequent generations who are sick paedophiles a consequence of downloading sick material from RapidShare.

    I let police know exactly how i came to knowledge of the list of 1000′s of paedophile titles there from the ***** who posted the devoted search engine on Suprbay, who i got to take those paedophile search terms out of his search engine which he did, but i ran searches and conveyed the lists to Scotland yard child protection, from that time a few years ago, because the act of actually actively searching for such material is an offence, i don’t actually know if Rapidshare is cleaned up or not, but if not it should be, i was disgusted at RapidShare for allowing literally 1000′s of individual paedophile files, picture sets and video, amounting to around 10,0000 split files in total, so immorally illegal i don’t use that place on principle.

    I was to understand New Scotland Yard’s child protection squad was having difficulties getting German police to co-operate but were pursuing the matter in 2007, so if such material still exists on RapidShare, never mind lists of fracking copyright infringing books, authorities need to take issue robustly to deal with it, IMO it should die, have it’s servers cooked and the owners arrested, don’t care if a few countries around the planet don’t have laws against paedophilia, in the civilised world we do have laws against it and Rapidshare propagated those files and were physically hosting them and available to anybody with a connection, including other youngsters/teenagers themselves who would be corrupted by it.

    Around the same time TPB changed their rules, i complained enough times and TPB admin and staff are decent people and now have rules against uploading anything paedophile and will remove it, moderators do check.

    And for that, i am pleased TPB staff reacted morally to the issue and took it seriously, so now ensure any nonce upping paedophilia do not do so again as that username and it isn’t there very long before taken off.

    - – -

    Go Google, stand up for yourselves man!

    Good stuff.

    Peace.

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  • PhDiddy

    Hey all,

    I must agree with most comments on this topic: the Google case will have NO impact on filesharing sites.

    The difference is that IsoHunt, TPB, MiniNova have all (actively or passively) facilitated copyright infringement due to their structure and intent.

    Google and YouTube can facilitate copyright infringement, but their businessmodel and design is not fully geard towards this purpose.

    Note also the difference between criminal law and civil law. TPB was convicted on CRIMINAL charges. They provided a safe haven for pirates and did not comply with NTD requests, therefore the charges sticked.

    MiniNova was a whole other case. They were convicted on the basis of CIVIL law. They did have an NTD system but in the balance of interests between the rightsholders and MiniNova, those of the rightsholders prevailed.

    The Google case is a criminal charge, and it is absolutely INSANE that it stuck. Peter Fleischer and the others are merely employees of Google, they cannot be held criminally liable for something the company (might) have done. The verdict of the Italian court is bizarre at best. In any case I cannot imagine that it will be upheld in an appeal.

    For an indepth analysis of the difference between the Pirate Bay and Google read this:

    http://www.futureofcopyright.com/index.php?page=news&id=313

    and

    http://www.bitlaw.com/internet/isp.html

  • Brandon

    Your wrong TPB was convicted on criminal charges on a civil case. Makes no sense. Won’t stand up in court. Google! Worlds largest torrent,DHT, Video Streaming, illegal copywright access infringer but untouched by any litigation. PLUS Google Hosts 99.9% copywrighted content on their servers. But Alas, Will remain untouched… Yeh just poke that GIANT in the eye while sleeping and see what happens…

  • Brandon

    Google is the the tip of the iceburg check out the Dark Web and you will be shocked… Makes Google look like TPB…

  • lverona

    @PhDiddy: not really much of in-depth analysis on that future of copyright site. They say things like “file sharing is indeed bad because people share what they do not own”. This carries a premise that ideas can be property, while people who do at least little thinking on the intellectual property subject know that ideas cannot be property. Much of their articles share this premise and thus come to a lot of simply incorrect conclusions, most of which are questionable even without any philosophical background but just from the view of common sense.

  • redbaron

    XD This article cracks me up. Especially the attitude Google shows. ROFL The first place where I look to find a film/music track is YouTube and then torrents/direct download. :P And the biggest joke is that actually YouTube hosts the copyrighted materials, which is not the case by torrent trackers. By torrent trackers it’s the users where you download from but by YouTube the source is YouTube’s servers. This is worse than torrents when it comes to law and sh*t.

  • redbaron

    btw This whole thing with media portals and search engines can be reduced to a simple example:

    Let’s say person X buys a truck from company YYY. Then he/she uses this truck to blow an embassy/cafe/school etc. According to the courts’ practice in the past few company YYY should be put on trial and held responsible for what person X did for person X used a truck bought from YYY. Along with that the government itself should be held responsible for it gave permission to person X to drive this truck. Long speech cut short – this is rediculous.

  • redbaron

    Correction:

    *in the past few years company YYY…

  • anon2

    no internet sites, other than file sharing sites, have been targeted. non of the others gave a flying f**k either. all of a sudden, Google is being brought into the equation and the game is changing. they now think that the court ruling is ridiculous, because they only list the results of where content is and when asked, remove that content. the majority (admit, not all) of torrent sites do (or did) that. been saying for god knows how long that what the ‘industries’ want is control of the internet. that is more important than the copyright money they are supposedly losing. to get that, they have to dispose of all companies, big or small, that stand in their way. they started with individuals, moved up to small sites, then larger sites, knowing full well that eventually the would have to take on the ‘big boys’. they lost to iiNet and i am sure they will lose to Google. if they win the iiNet appeal, all ISPs’ will be in the crap. if Google lose, the internet may as well fold. there will be no point in having any sort of search engine, because they will not be allowed to post all results, legit or not. if you cant find, let alone download big files, why the need for fast internet connections? 2meg will be all that is needed.

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  • Informed

    Hmm.. just an interesting thought: would it be possible to build a Youtube-clone, based solely on bittorrent-protocol, instead of a central site, like Youtube?

  • drunk

    google pay me a beer!

  • Bill Love

    hi guys, glad to see you internet guys have such passion for your subject!

    I feel like I’ve just flown in from the ’70′s – wow!

    can someone enlighten me, in my days, we didn’t mind paying musicians and groovy film directors for what they did – heck, everyone’s got to earn a living somehow! And i’ve known a few musicians in my time, and they ain’t all millionaires!

    But some of you cats sound like you don’t want to pay for anything, you’re just happy to take other peoples work and enjoy it without them getting anything back.

    Where’s all this anger from? I just went down to my local record store (took a while to find one!) and a CD was only a few bucks – not a lot to pay for a whole load of music.

    Sure, music used to be expensive but it’s changed now.

    Sounds like you guys are starting a fight just because you can and you’re sure no one will find you. That’s not how a man lives, guys.

    That’s not a groovy way to live, cats. See, you have to be part of that chain, you can’t just go on taking taking taking like the kid who found the keys to the sweet shop. Not cool at all!

    I have a simple solution to this. Some of these sites that my son showed me (beemp3, downloads.nl etc) are so obviously geared toward stealing another man’s stash it’s not funny. They need to be taken down. Sure, there need to be some file sharing sites so you cats can share your – i don’t know, programming code, pictures of your sweet hearts etc – stuff. But the ones that are there so you guys can help each other steal an artists work – that’s seriously uncool.

    And all these legal crap you’re all wasting your time on – sounds like a load of hot air to me! Quit wasting your lives on it. Pick up a guitar, enjoy music! make a film (any of you guys date girls? They’re always fun to make films with). You all know that right now, what you’re doing is seriously uncool. Imagine if we all did this – what a bad world it would be without music, guys! NO Rolling Stones, no Dylan, no Neil Young. Who is gonna make the music if you guys win?

    Come on. Let’s play fair. Sure, tell your buddies about the latest releases. Heck, send em a couple of songs. But the stuff I see on sites such as these just makes my heart bleed.

  • Jim

    no the real question is, can google do anything but make all this useless sh!t and do something important..

    i have liked google.. but lets see what happens when they have to step up to the plate.

  • Anonymous

    @59

    >implying corporate funded music and film makers are artists

  • Anonymous

    “Imagine if we all did this – what a bad world it would be without music, guys! NO Rolling Stones, no Dylan, no Neil Young. Who is gonna make the music if you guys win?” – Bill Love

    Don’t be retarded. There was music before copyright and there will be music without any copyright. It’s called real true artists. People that will create because they need to and they have to. Some force bigger than greed most people, like you, could never understand. Ever heard of Mozart? What was the status of copyright then, you moron?

    Dylan and Neil would still create music in a world without copyright. I hope.

    Copyright brought us Britney Spears and corporate rock, you retarded monkey.

    How many times do I need to pay the artists royalties?! I bought the LP, the tape and the fucking CD!

    And when copyright was about to end your RIAA masters bought the politicians and bought an extension that will be bought again and again. Ever wonder why Mickey Mouse is not on public domain already? Or even the Beatles? So the law applies to everyone else but when it’s time for the law to apply to the RIAA they change it. Nice.

    Got it now? That’s why we’re angry you fucking twat!

  • Moonrend

    59@

    Artists will make music even if they do not get payed because they like making music.

    Those that are making music just for money are not artists, they are just performers. (The real artists in this case are the underpayed song makers who get 0 credit and 0 money for any record sold, they only get a small basic montly pay.)

    Please, get your facts straight.

  • chaos

    @ all those people claiming that google’s business isn’t built around copyright infringement, unlike torrent sites: ever heard of the google book scanning?
    If not – google it.

    I hate all that over-hyped google hypocrisy. Open your eyes people, google is not only in bed with the governments (possibly more than any media corporation could ever be; cooperating with the NSA, the CIA and whomever else on probably masssive privacy intrusion), but has done sh*t to “protect the internet”. It’s just part of their image/facade (which they hold upright very carefully) to act as if they were on the side of free (online) speech and fair use.
    In fact their only interest is their own company, profit, and collecting as much data as possible from their users, thus, even more profit, because data and information is the most valuable good in the 21st century.
    Just open your eyes people and don’t blindly follow the google hypocrisy hype…

  • It’s Not me, It’s YOU

    Shock Horror.
    Listed company in business to make Profits!

    Hold the front page

    We demand action, scream filesharers, GOOGLE should exist for freeloaders, not to make profits, how dare they!

  • Anonymous

    @12 +1

  • Mr. Anon

    You should still upload videos and torrents anonymously. All you have to do is wear a fake beard while using the internet.

  • Anonymous

    @67

    I’d like to see them catch me! I wear a fake beard AND sunglasses.

  • Annie Moose

    Abandon hope all ye who take on Teh Google! Regardless of whether or not Google actively tries to protect filesharing (and for whatever reason it is), it’s impossible to deny that their immense legal clout makes them a much more formidable foe than anyone the anti-pirates have ever tried to take on before. They’ve got the money, knowledge, and power to finally show the anti-pirates that they can’t just make the rules any more. Besides, Google is GOOGLE. Even computer-illiterate people know about Google these days! Google is not some little site in some faraway country run by people with made-up names (or whatever juries think), it’s a major company that demands respect, so when it says “providing access is not promoting piracy”, people have to listen.

    Of course, there’s still the serious question of WHETHER Google will use their power to do this, but… it’s an interesting possibility, and one the anti-pirates would do well to look out for.

  • gorehound

    If you want to fight the RIAA & MPASA do what I do and here it is so spread the word and follow suit::::

    1.stop buying any new corporate music/films
    2.buy corporate films/music used and try to do this at a local store
    3.by buying used stuff local you will help out your local city/town folks.you will help to support a business that employs folks like you who need jobs and the corporates will get no money at all from your buying used
    4.post on the net like me and tell your friends to do the same
    5.if you follow a tv show and feel the need to help it out then you may buy brand new dvd/bluray if you feel it will help your fave show out.

    My solution is noit perfect but this is what I am doing.No Money at all of mine will go to Holywood

  • Anonymous

    What’s the difference between a Hollywood director and a pornographer?

    Pornographers don’t call themselves “artists”.

  • Sans

    “placing them in a similar position as most torrent site admins.”

    Well, apart from the situation where torrent site admins operate sites for the sole purpose of facilitating piracy, unlike Google.

    Do none of you ever get embarrassed by this nonsense? Do you never stop and have a look around and notice that no other communities or interest groups on the internet have adopted such a childish “if we pretend hard enough it makes it true” principle as a guiding mantra that even pre-teen girls would be ashamed to be associated with?

    Yes, TPB is no different from Google. It’s just sheer random bad luck that their “upload torrent” and “what kind of movie is it” fields don’t encourage more legal content to appear on their site.

  • Larry Page

    Leave it to the goddamn Italians to step in their own pasta and dick with us. We are currently preparing the following plan:

    1) Block the ENTIRE COUNTRY OF ITALY from ALL Google services. Gmail, Search, YouTube – the works!

    2) Run TV ads 24-7 explaining Services will NOT be restored to the country before Italy completly abolishies previous verdict against the google eomployees, pays damages and issues a public apology.

    Oh, and while we are at it, Serge demands to see Silvio Berlosconi dressed in a pink bunny suit, dancing in front of the Trevi Fountain, spanking himself with a pizza shovel!

    And France, you’re next in line! Sarkovsky, you might as well pull down your britches, lean over the table and spread them buns – Just close your eyes and think of.. Le Resistance! HAHAHA!

    Obey the mighty G motherf#ckers.

  • Sans

    Speaking of delusional fantasies even small children would be embarrassed by.
    Thanks for really underlining that for us Larry. Yes, you rule the internet and entire countries tremble at your feet.

  • Anon

    @62 Hear Hear!

    Bill Love you’re a fucking retard

  • Anon

    What’s the sound of one troll mumuring?

    If a troll mumbles on a forum, does it make a sound?

  • Kapcha

    lol ) Who who have expected this? )

  • Redwood

    Unlike Torrent Sites, Google has the financial power to successfully fight this verdict. GO FOR IT.

  • DeltaPan
  • lilysaidmoo

    All google needs to do is stop providing it’s services to Italy. Bingo.

    I think you’d see the government quickly change their mind.

  • bone bone

    @80 I agree :P

    just make a little post on their italian website and all the italians fond of google which is likely that most internet users are who read it will definitely start doing n something… or pool the plug and let them say sorry to google… hope google dosent take a,”i guess we can look the other way” as an apology :)

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  • Bill Love

    hey there guys, you’re getting really hot under the collar here! If you came round my farm in kentucky I’d give the anon guy who posted up comment number 75 a thick ear! he woudln’t be able to sit down for a week!

    Now then. Manners cost nothing, so I’ll ignore all those people who respond with anything but intelligence and decorum. You just ain’t a man, son.

    @63 – get your facts straight. “The real artists in this case are the underpayed song makers who get 0 credit and 0 money for any record sold, they only get a small basic montly pay.)”

    Song writers get paid with every record sold, or when a song gets played on the radio. they get paid when a song is on a TV show. Or indeed any usage of their work.

    Maybe you’re thinking of the early days of Atlantic Records when they’d pay their performers a session fee per track.

    But that’s long-gone.

    Now, I promised myself I wouldn’t stoop to your level, but I can’t resist.

    You’re the jerk off.

    And to the guy who insulted me: go out, meet a girl, and get laid. Stop jerking off to porn on the web.

  • Sintek

    I have Googles Perfect Solution!!

    JUST BUY ITALY, they definitly have the money HAHA just buy the whole country and name it Googitaly

  • Nah

    Even if they bribe the Italian judges in public, hardly no one will care for what they rule, because Italy is known as corrupt, having a debauchee as their leader.

    And then human law is almost always made by and for the rich who try to protect what they have stolen from the poor. Same with police. If you believe in justice in this world, flooded with godless people, you just as well may believe in the Easter Bunny. Sorry.

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  • Dxx

    Google response seems to be too gentle.
    I think they should start some free speech support campaign which will naturally oppose copyright laws.

    there are many cases when google was atacked, by copyright holders

    and most of google projects besides search systemn are motsly based on ilegal content.

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