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Consumer Rights Organization Starts Pro-Filesharing Campaign

Downloading copyrighted movies and music for personal has been legal in The Netherlands for years, but Dutch lawmakers are considering changing this in the future. In a response, the local consumer rights organization has launched a pro-filesharing campaign which emphasizes that downloaders are not criminals.

ok to downloadPresently, downloading movies and music for personal use in The Netherlands is seen as “fair use” and not punishable by law. However, in common with most other European countries, The Netherlands is trying to find a solution to the ever-increasing use of file-sharing sites to share copyrighted material.

One of the options for the government is to criminalize unauthorized downloading by making it punishable by law. The entertainment industry, represented by Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN among others, have lobbied extensively for such a change. Consumers, on the other hand, prefer to keep things the way they are right now.

Backing interests of the general public, Dutch consumer rights organization Consumentenbond has started a campaign where they defend the public’s right to download copyrighted material without repercussions.

“Sometimes I buy, sometimes I download, but I am not a criminal..,” is the message the consumer organization is trying to put across in the newly launched campaign.

The rationale behind the campaign is that the the entertainment industry has failed to provide sufficient legal alternatives to online piracy, leaving consumers no other choice than to consume online media through file-sharing sites.

“At the moment, paid downloads don’t offer any added value compared to unauthorized downloads,” Bart Combée, Director of the Consumer Rights Organization said . “Before criminalizing consumers, the industry has to make sure that they offer a decent amount of content. Once that improves, I think consumers are willing to pay,” he added.

Previously, the consumer rights organization also stood up for users of The Pirate Bay, after the Amsterdam court ruled that the site should block Dutch users without reviewing the evidence carefully.

The present campaign reiterates what many others have said before. There has to be a fair balance between the interests of multi-billion dollar companies and the individual rights of consumers. And since a report commissioned by the Dutch government recently concluded that file-sharing actually has a positive effect on the economy, it might be best to keep things the way they are for now.

“Sometimes I buy, sometimes I download, but I am not a criminal…” (Dutch)

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  • Dutchie

    HOLLAND!!!

  • Apath3t1cem0

    It’s true
    We aren’t criminals

  • A non mouse

    The four whoresmen of the media industry are the real criminals!

  • Ande

    i have heard that pirate bay would be shut down in the next couple of days :(

  • plutu

    @4 what has the pirate bay got to do with this story?

  • o.0

    They say in the vid: Sometimes I buy, sometimes I download but I am not a criminal.

  • Sam

    Cool! If only American “consumer rights” groups would stand up for us!

  • Reasoned Mind

    If it’s free, take it and enjoy it in good health.

    If it’s for sale but you take it for free knowing that you’ve willfully deprived the rights from their fair compensation, you’ll get what you deserve.

    Karma is a bitch.

    So is Euro-American law enforcement. So will be the ACTA.

    Consumers have every right to what is offered free. Creators have every right to slam you hard when you take it illegally. And so they will.

    Good.

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  • horsey

    This pisses me off. Somebody… anybody, answer this:

    Imagine for a moment the article text up top there is copyrighted information that Ernesto is distributing without authorisation from the legal rights holder. I don’t know this, but in my clicking this link I’ve just downloaded unathorised content to my computer. Am I a criminal now?

    What if someone clicks a link to download http://whatever.org/legal.file yet it turns out the content wasn’t in fact legal as one might expect AFTER it’s been downloaded and checked? Am I a criminal now?

    Am I stupid or something, because to me it defies common sense logic to attempt to make the reception of information an offence, because there’s no way of knowing what someting is until you actually have it.

    You could sting anyone with it simply by playing with descriptions:

    Two magnet links:

    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8d605e8e4781b9c890c53b16c2a303ea3e3d4f49&dn=Star%20Wreck%20-%20Legacy

    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:oqe42adny5kptwbirh3c6kv3l7etixv7&dn=Inglourious+Basterds+%282009

    Which one’s legal?

    I must just be thick. I don’t understand but apparently everyone else does because no one seems to mention it. What am I missing?

  • A non mouse

    Indeed karma is a bitch RM!
    Record Labels Face $6 Billion Damages for Pirating Artists

    Slam that you ignorant a$$!

  • Peter Mark

    The usual drivel from people here who think its fine to take other peoples work for free.
    maybe when some of you grow up and get a job you will understand that shit has to be paid for, if little dorks like yourselves expect a salary.
    *sigh*

  • your name here

    LOL @ retarded mind, try actually reading the article for a change.

  • Anony

    Peter Mark, I have grown up, I do have a job. I still really struggle to grasp why I should have to pay for movies, when the vast majority are shit, with no recourse to get a refund, or if I buy a DVD, why can’t I copy it to my PC? or if I buy a CD, why can’t I take it back to the shop and get a refund?

    I have an unlimited card for a local cinema. It means I can see any film I want, for free. I’ve watched probably about 20 films or so in the last couple of months. Want to know how many of them I would consider watchable or enjoyable? 2. 2 fucking films I was happy to ‘pay’ for and sit through (Zombieland and Paranormal activity FYI).

    Movie companies have not, as the article said, given a decent alternative to illegal downloading. I’m fucking fed up of handing over MY hard money to some exec, on a multimillion pay packet, who just spews out shit film after shit film.

  • A non mouse

    And just what are you doing on this forum if that is how you feel Peter? Why are even posting on here? Take your unwanted opinions somewhere else. Not all the people who post here are kids either! Try reading the link to the post in my previous comment, then when you have been educated as to who the real thieves are, then you can make a comment.

  • devvo

    kwl story bro

  • Anonymous

    @reasoned.ass.

    fail read the article idiot lolol

  • A non mouse

    @ ignorant mind and pecker mark(same person)
    The very first line of the story says it all…

    Presently, downloading movies and music for personal use in The Netherlands is seen as “fair use” and not punishable by law.

  • A non mouse

    @ ignorant mind and pecker mark(same person

    Furthermore…

    “Before criminalizing consumers, the industry has to make sure that they offer a decent amount of content. Once that improves, I think consumers are willing to pay…

    The industry won’t do that though! They would rather steal from their own artists, and criminalize their customers! What absolute morons!

  • Great Drak

    I am a pirate and proud of it I have downloaded dozens of movies, hundreds of songs, and like a billion TV shows. I have also bought hundreds of movies and nearly one thousand games.

    I pirate due to outrageous prices and unavailability. Who wants to wait over a year for a anime episode to come out subbed on a dvd. I do not, I would be ok with a week but this problem leads to the other of price gouging. For example a full season of a show with 24 episodes can cost anywhere between $100-$400. There is no way I would pay those type of prices for 24 episodes.

    So I agree with the Dutch consumer rights organization message of “Sometimes I buy, sometimes I download, but I am not a criminal..,” I just hope they succeed and the rest of the world realizes this as well especially the usa.

    O and a little add on to this that I thought about is that I do buy some music from zune but the problem is that 60%+ of the songs I want they do not have.

  • Sanderman

    I’m dutch and I think it’s great the consumententbond tries to support the consumer in this issue.

    That being said, this spot is one massive heap of fail. To anyone that isn’t already familiar with the intellectual property issue, which is most of the population, this spot has no meaning whatsoever. All it is, is a few people proclaiming they are not criminals, for whatever reason. It doesn’t inform and it doesn’t interest people to inform themselves. It doesn’t even tell them what to inform themselves about or what the actual issue is.

    Of course most of these things will be explained on the website, but there’s little point to that if people don’t go there.

  • Tomas

    @8
    Just because you grew up in a consumerist, capitalist country doesn’t mean you can force those views on other people.

    Ordinarily if you wish to take your company global, you research the laws of each country and decide if it is a wise move to begin distribution there. What you do not do is decide your business model doesn’t stand up to their laws, so take people to court because you were too stupid to respect their oppinions in the first place.

    That’s just typical of Americans though. You can’t seem to see that oppinions differ and you just may be wrong about something.

  • Anony

    RE: my comment #13. I pay a monthly subscription of £15 for the unlimited card. I wrote as if I didn’t pay for it.

  • gay

    i dont like bittorrents at all…
    its to much porn and viruses on these websites!!!
    you all should stay away!

  • An American FREEdom.Fighter

    No offense Tomas, but not all Americans are like Unreasoned Mind. We have our fair share of idiots, but so does the UK aka Darth Mandy and that butt ugly bitch Marte Thorsby from Norway and many others! I’m sure that whatever country you are from there are just as many corrupt and greedy bastards as anywhere, so please keep your anti-American sentiments to yourself! We are all in this together and your kind of thinking weakens us all. I could make a slur on your poor grammar skills but I won’t because English is probably not your native language, or I could say how your third world country is a drain on the planets economy because your too stupid to take care of your selves! But I won’t say this either, because your not the enemy, the big media cartels are and you need to direct your anger at them and not the American public!

    Sorry for the rant TF, but that kind of shite pisses me off!

  • Dan

    “Sometimes I buy, sometimes I download, but I am not a criminal..,”

    I love this sentence! If I download it illegaly, it probably means I will not buy it, right? So who cares?

    I will buy what I want to and support who I want to.

  • sUpAGee

    @23 .. live ur stupid life and stfu!

  • lolwat

    Come on people, you know as well as i do that downloading music or movies that other people have worked on for free is illegal, and wrong.

    I do it too yes, because i can’t afford paying for new cd’s or move tickets with my student budget, and probably because most of the stuff that comes out today is crap. BUT that does not make it okay or right to download.

    The least you assholes could do is admit that your doing something wrong. Anyone who thinks its right is a tool.

  • Recton Kracke

    @lolwat

    Of course its okay & easy to download MOVIES & MUSIC for FREE. arseplug. We are doing nothing wrong… You are…

  • Anonymous

    HAAHAHAHAH, NICE!

  • Anonymous

    Downloading copyrighted movies and music for personal [use?] has been legal in The

  • neb

    If “they” don’t want me to watch and promote thier films, “they” should stop making them.

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  • anon2

    strange how governments stand up for money industries but not for the people that vote them into power in the first place. it is illegal for web sites to put adware/spyware on an individuals computer. however,they dont enforce that law. why? because it is so much easier to restrict the general public than a company. by using threats of huge fines or something worse to individuals gives the money industries free reign to do as they please and keeps funds going by way of donations and taxes. i still say this is not just a simple matter of trying to con the world into believing that file sharing costs so much money as to put the music/movie industry at risk of collapse but a case of those industries wanting to take complete control of the internet. if they were so worried about how much is being lost, they would be making downloads for reasonable money, drm free, at good speeds available to everyone. they haven’t even tried to do that, in fact they have done absolutely nothing!

  • Rob

    @8 Reasoned Mind:

    Fair compensation? You mean when the labels get the money instead of artists?

    Yeah, fair compensation doesn’t exist, even without filesharing. You might want to reconnect with reality before reading your script to us

  • anon2

    continuing above post.

    once they have that control, download/filesharing will be the dogs danglies, the best thing since sliced bread, the one thing that every internet user/home must have! without it, you must either be really poor or a total social misfit and should be ashamed!

  • lord dave

    can i copyright my cars rear number plate to stop speed camras taking pictures of it?

  • Anonymous

    What about the rule, I don’t touch you, you don’t touch me? Cause I don’t when I share COPIES of your content, not the original.

    Folks, the moment a copyright appears, it’s the moment EVERYONE else loses some rights to copy a specific combination of 1s and 0s.

  • FreeSCV @ opensourceg.com

    @ 24 Dec 12, 2009 at 20:56 by An American FREEdom.Fighter

    I agree /w yer post. Just as many corrupt people in any country. Trying to force intellectual poverty restrictions on the masses.

    I’d rather someone grab the free version and not break their computer /w drm.

    TV shows being viewed online being criminalized? The same song I listened through ads for on the radio if I put on my ipod is illegal?

    Who’s making the laws here? Sure ain’t the people being represented.

    Clickity briefcases are making OUR laws. None of this shit would BE law if proposed laws had a vote from “everyman” or your average citizen.

    So I push on for Open Source Government, usually last post here but some will read it.

    http://www.opensourceg.com in tribute to Linux and their great job in computer land. Can anyone help me port this over to our govt structure so we actually GET a vote?

    Best 15 bucks in tribute I ever spent, I figure if it’s good enough for Firefox and Ubuntu and American military SURELY it’s good enough for our leaders, not as code but GPL style rules being applied in the House of Commons/Senate.

    We can email, twitter, facebook, read slashdot and torrent freak yet NO ONE has organized citizen voting alongside their “leaders”???

    Like the leaders should still get the call but I’d LOVE to see stats of who votes IN these laws vs what people actually want.

    …b/c we all want to be criminalized for every day use of Internet. b/c we want to watch the Simpsons after work instead of during work /w a vcr. Just download the torrent and be done /w it!

    Anyways the laws, they need a fixin, and not just individual laws but the system itself. Time for an upgrade!

    I can only DREAM of the upgrades everyone’d help make to BETTER our lives via an online website. I’ll link to it AS SOON AS IT’S AVAILABLE! :D (or help me build it, I don’t know shit. lmao)

  • Desmond Mobay

    Home tape recorders should be illegal! They will kill the music & film industries… Oh wait, sorry im a few decades too late…

  • HMS

    Copywhores like missing mind refuse to accept the existence of fair use law. It does not fit with their narrow view that NO use of any copyright material should go unpaid. They would charge me every time I listened to a song, or watched a movie, if they only had the imagination to figure out how to do it. These luddite fools have tried to stop every technological advance that has brought them increased profits for the same BS reasons. They’re only interested in ‘protecting’ their paychecks.

    Fair use has been around for as long as copyright law. It’s simple, once the product is bought, I can do what I like with it, as long as I do not try to profit from it, or claim the work as my own. Copyright protects the profits of the rights holder, which is not usually the creator due to evil industry contacts. As middle men, these copywhores should realize that abusing your content creators, and criminalizing your consumers is, if nothing else, a bad business model.

  • HMS

    @39 edit: evil industry contRacts. oops.

  • Anonymous

    @11

    Most of Hollywood needs to be arrested for their work, not paid from tax dollars. Close-up shots of penises isn’t “work” that most people consider worth protecting.

  • Anonymous

    @lolwut

    I dare you to explain how it’s wrong to download thingss that you wouldn’t even buy if there was no such thing as filesharing. I double dog dare you.

    Or how about explaining why it’s wrong to download things on a try-before-you-buy basis? Is it still wrong if you later buy what you downloaded? Is getting ripped off by buying something horrible less wrong than saving yourself from being ripped off by downloading it and finding out its horrible before hand? Is it still wrong if you’re downloading something that wasn’t even released in your country? Is it still wrong when media prices are extortionate, when your money simply goes to the labels and studios instead of the artists, when you have to choose between buying a DVD and eating or paying bills yet the cokeheads your money goes to could each afford a fleet of Ferraris?

    Come on. Let’s hear it.

  • neb

    Cokeheads!? I think that is what wefare is supposed to pay for.

    Try before you buy….I’m writing about films and music, of course….

    My friends aren’t going to the theater and pay 40-50$ unless they know it’s worth it.

    There are very few good films out there. Just incredible promotion and misleading press…….

  • jon7272

    the funny thing is sony was the 1 who fourt for the right to record tv shows originaly on there vcrs. and one the case .sony can only blame themselves lol. irony is a funny thing

  • Bloke

    Ok! so I am from Netherlands and I fileshare. If they take it away, I will still do it so they will accomplish? Nothing other than hurting their economy when the sites that are hosted there are pulled and moved to other places if the law changes which will = less money for their country.

  • Anonymous

    Yahoo! Demonoid is back bitches!

  • The Bats

    Yes, and it seems to be running fine!!

  • john doe

    @11 Peter Shmuck…

    Well, jeepers mister, I happen to work for a TV network (air, not cable, so it’s “free” in every sense of the word) and I still get my salary, even though noone specifically PAYS for it. Wanna now why? Ratings. Market share. Adver-FlacJacket-Tising! All those little things that form the “Business” part of the “Entertainment Business” WITHOUT imposing severe monetarial penalties on both the consumers and the CREATORS.

    As for Raisin Bran here, it’s kinda sad to try and keep the smug facade when all efforts to deter file-sharing have gone nowhere faster than you can say “The Pirate Bay”. I just can’t wait for your eventual BSOD, perhaps accompanied by repeating the phrase “It’s just good business” over and over. Savvy?

  • Positron

    To all consumer rights organizations in the world: please go and follow the Dutch consumer rights organization’s example!

    That should bring about some badly needed change for the better, when it comes to the issue of file sharing being legitimate or not.

    Dutch “Consumentenbond” FTW!

  • Ninja

    Yes! We download, we may buy, we may not but we do buy.

    Respect for Holland =/

  • fight_the_tyranny

    All non-commercial file-sharing should be legal without exception. Our politicians whoring themselves out to the highest bidder(The entertainment MAFIAA) has produced the ignominiously biased copyright polices we have today.

  • Nonius

    To all those stupid ones like Unreasoned Mind: “illegal” downloading DOES NOT EXIST. Why? Well, becouse before you can learn to know what is legal and what is not, you first have to download/watch/hear the content. Period. No rule exists mandating that _every_ file available from whatever place on the Internet should have a ticket attached to it saying ‘this is legal, go ahead and download’ or ‘this is illegal for you to download’.
    It is just a nonsense put forward by big content in the hope some country will be stupid enough to actually please them to declare it is actually illegal… If they do, it would be a clear sign of their bribery, nothing else.

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  • .agentsmith.methods|atIY

    @8 Reasoned Mind: ‘Karma is a bitch.’

    It is for people who keep defending the MAFIAA.

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