Danish ISPs Reject Anti-Piracy Proposals
Written by enigmax on September 17, 2008Danish ISPs have rejected proposals from the IFPI for a “3-strikes and you’re out” policy to deal with illicit file-sharers. In a joint statement, the telecoms companies said that they would not be a part of “detection and monitoring” activities and that the solution to piracy should come from elsewhere.
Efforts to reach a voluntary agreement between the IFPI and ISPs in Denmark on the issue of unauthorized file-sharing have failed. The telecoms companies have completely rejected the demands of the music industry.
The IFPI wanted to be able to hunt down file-sharers, report them to their ISP and have them implement a so-called “3 strikes” policy. They proposed that the first time someone got caught sharing copyrighted files, they would receive a warning from the ISP, the second time they would have their Internet connection slowed down. After a third warning, or strike, the user would be disconnected from his ISP and banished from the Internet.
ISPs in the UK recently reached an agreement with the IFPI to send out warnings to alleged file-sharers, but rejected any further sanctions against their customers such as speed capping or disconnection. However, according to a Comon report, the Danish ISPs have rejected the proposals completely. They say they will not take part in “detection and monitoring activities” and believe that the proposals would constitute a contravention of the law, and would upset the balance between the interests of the individual and economic interests.
“The Internet must be protected as a credible media, where each citizen can feel comfortable with the certainty that he will be on an equal footing with other media, such as confidentiality of correspondence in the mail, etc,” said the statement. “The proposals that have been seen by others in the European debate, which have also been raised in Denmark - for example, to disconnect users or deny users Internet access - will counteract this objective, and is in no way proportionate to the situation.”
President of the Telecommunications Industry Association Jens Ottosen says the plan presented by the IFPI to the Ministry of Culture has a number of serious weaknesses. He believes that the rights holders cannot accurately identify people who are engaged in unauthorized file-sharing. Among other things, the IFPI model of warning/slowing/disconnecting an IP address, NOT a person, means that even if the owner of an Internet connection did nothing wrong, they would be the one who got punished. Those who are the victim of a wireless hacking are equally vulnerable, something which the ISPs aren’t prepared to accept, and neither are the courts.
“We are very divided,” said Ottosen. When asked if there is a chance of reaching any type of voluntary agreement with the music industry, he added, “I can’t imagine.”
Thanks to Peter_Pan
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I cant believe these bastards are still running after the 3 strikes thing, I thought with the wide rejection to this ridiculous idea they would have started to pitch some other idea.
Feking morons.
If only the ISPs would reject anti-piracy altogether, but I cannot say that it is the job of ISPs to do that. The people are the ones in the end who must take a tough stand against 3-strikes.
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wohooooooo!! go danish people!
hello stupid music industry can i remind you of something?
YOU DONT RUN THE INTERNET SO TAKE A HIKE.
Now if only the USA would think Danish… >_>
I feel multiple Harrassment and Mutiny of Danish Privacy Laws Class Action Suits coming on
TEE HEE HEE IFPI
ban them from the internet? wow, the music industry is really getting a big head if they now think they own the rights to the internet.
At last an ISP that actually has a pair of balls and does not just agree to anything just because the music industry says so.
Well done.
pwned again. useless noobs.
Why the danish isps wouldn´t want to criminalize and spy on their customers escapes me.
;/
I hope it never get to that, Its a scary thought to lose your internet connection.
Wow, first time in the whole “We are IFPI we control all” i’m actually glad to be danish.. The banning of TPB wasn’t a very glorious moment, but seems like the ISPs finally got their balls together. Thank God.
Actually, thank FSM!
LOL
AND could such a policy as is beng used in france actually PROVE that
you will lose sooooo much business that you will or might as well just close up shop?
this is why they won’t do it.
This is why YOU nor YOUR ISP should ever give in to these cretans.
The Internet must be protected as a credible media, where each citizen can feel comfortable with the certainty that he will be on an equal footing with other media, such as confidentiality of correspondence in the mail, etc,”
The above quote we should then eradicate the mpaa/riaa/IFPI/BREIN/CRIA/ACTRA/YOURSTUPIDMEDIACOMPANYHERE
who needs em….
haha
nice slogan for the ifpi in that pictre
Oh my god! There are still ISP’s with brains left in the world.
Any ISP that goes along(willigly or forced) with destroying their own business is run by total idiots. Good luck Denmark, when mpaa/riaa/ifpi or whatever tries to sue them or force them in other methods to compliance i hope the ISP’s fight back. Untill the supreme court of their county and if that fails then to EU court aswell.
Hooray for Denmark!!!!
>”…to disconnect users or deny users Internet access - will counteract this objective, and is in no way proportionate to the situation.”
This is such a pivotal part of the argument against corporate desires to strip us all of our privacy.
Hey big media, I was gonna go out and buy (as an example) WALL*E, cause I liked it, but I don’t think you deserve even that small courtesy any longer…
denmark is a corrupt country anyway
all countries that allow piracy are corrupt
You gotta be kidding..
Denmark is according to this study the least corrupt country in the world and have been on the top 10 if not number one for years.
http://www.infoplease.com/toptens/leastcorruptcountries.html
@11: it is simple, if the ISPs’ customers are criminalized then there wouldnt be much traffic for the ISPs to carry and hench no-one would use them.
@11: it is simple, if the ISPs’ customers are criminalized then there wouldnt be much traffic for the ISPs to carry and proffit from.
it is certain the system in the UK for identifying “illegal downloaders” is also a fundamental breach of the spirit of the law
in the UK there is a long history of law that shows secret justice is disastrous
for the system to be fair the process must be transparent and open to third party verification. it is clear they do not reveal their technique because it is so easily discredited
the problem here is not in the players but in the process. for justice we must attack and discredit the process
eventually there will be an action against an innocent who will test the prosecution with full disclosure in the courts. at that time we need to be able to demonstrate the errors in the prosecution data collection system. it is not going to be difficult but some empirical data would be very useful in the same vein as the printer receiving cease and desist letters
http://www.h33t.com where filesharing is about sharing everything
The Internet is not something you can be banned from,its Public information.No one person has the righ to say who can and cannot have access.
people are banned from the internet every day after they’ve committed crimes using it. it’s nothing new.
i know it’s hard to understand when you’re living in your parent’s basement, stuffing your zitty face with doritos as you try to complete another marathon jerk-off session while wearing your authentic star trek uniform BUT…the internet is neither a pivotal bodily function or an inalienable right.
Yay, I’m emigrating.
Here is the solution to piracy: lower prices and make products that are actually worth the money that you want to charge for them.
Let us face facts: 98% or more of all ‘piraters’ are people who cannot afford the things in question because the companies in question (Microsoft, Apple, etc.) are asking too much for their products.
Look again, Mr. 28. Many states and countries are now saying that you CANNOT be banned from the internet if you committed a crime using it. Monitored on it, yes. Regulated on it, yes. Forced to us internet filters, yes.
Not totally banned from it.
Who’s this Anonymous idiot posting here spouting about filesharers living in the parents basement? You’d have to be a total idiot or music industry employee to think that. Not that there are any differences between the two.
I fail to see what these corporate fat cats are whining about, though. They still make steadily increasing profit margins while quality steadily decreases.
They should just give up on ending piracy anyway, as it is mostly in developing nations (People who would never purchase their products legitimately anyway). The small volume that is not can afford and easily implement measures which render their p2p traffic nearly untraceable. Unless they find some way to totally outlaw p2p, recordable media, and intelligent thought; all of their attempts are doomed to fail.
Congrats Denmark!
I guess this is some kind of payback
from the Danish ISP .
They didn’t like Denmarks implementation of the EU data-retention directive despite the ISP’s loud protests. Keepin logs of peoples p2p and all other net-activities for at least 12 months
didn’t make them happy..
Hey there, #28. Easy to talk like that while hiding behind a keyboard. I’d invite you outside to say it to my face but it must be hard for you to talk being on your knees smoking industry pole 24/7.
LOL @ INTERNET TOUGH GUY
C’mon! Flex those E-muscles so we can see ‘em!
Notice how all these policies are being copied everywhere, and “miraculously” theya re all identical?
Our governments are CONSPIRING to deprive use of freedom and sharing policy. This is NOT democracy, nor is it about supporting freedom. It’s about creating the NWO and making a one-world government whereby our power is removed ENTIRELY, because we all have the same laws…They are listening to elitists, not the people.
Please wake other people up and oppose ALL of these political parties.
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Danish isps are loyal to their customers. That isn’t corrupt but good business morals. Danish law doesn’t allow piracy. Should the danish courts just cave in to pressure from foreign lobbyists or should they follow the laws? Personally I prefer that the courts follow the laws instead of letting fascist organistation dictate the world. Noone owns the internet!
another good thing the isp’s don’t mess with peoples connections cap delay and soo on like they say they will upgrade their systems if it’s needed
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