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Downloading Movies and Music Stays Legal in The Netherlands

One third of the Dutch population downloads “pirated” music, movies and games from the Internet, and for a while the government has been wondering what to do about it. In recent weeks a “download ban” was put on the political agenda, but the House of Representatives struck down this plan yesterday. Downloading remains legal, and in exchange rightsholders will be compensated through a private copying tax on various media storage devices.

amsterdamAs in many other countries around the world, downloading music and movies is hugely popular in the Netherlands.

Recent surveys estimate that 30% of the population downloads copyrighted music and video files without paying for them, which is currently legal under Dutch law.

However, since last year there have been discussions on making the activity unlawful.

This fall State Secretary for Security and Justice Fred Teeven reintroduced a download ban, but this plan has now been struck down by the House of Representatives. Several political parties decided that a download ban is not the right approach to tackle the “piracy” problem.

Yesterday the majority of the house accepted a motion that would take the plan off the table, and further ensured that the right to make copies for personal use should not be restricted.

“Luckily the House of Representatives clearly chooses to establish the much-needed modernization of copyright law within the limits of Internet freedom,” says Kees Verhoeven, the House member who drafted the motion.

“We need to strive towards increasing the legal availability, through new online business models. A download ban doesn’t really solve the problem of unpaid downloads but is guaranteed to lead to other problems such as the restriction of privacy of individual users,” Verhoeven adds.

The vote means that downloading movies and music for personal use remains legal. However, the entertainment industry isn’t being left out in the cold. Presently, copyright holders in the Netherlands are compensated through a “piracy tax” on blank media such as CDR media and writable DVDs.

In October it was decided that this piracy tax will be extended to a variety of other media storage devices such as tablets, smartphones, USB-drives, PCs and Laptops. The money that’s collected, up to 5 euro per device, will be distributed to copyright holders.

The piracy tax, however, is not without controversy. Hardware makers Acer, HP and Dell have sued the Dutch Government claiming that they could lose millions of Euros in revenue due to the artificial price increase.

“The excessively high tax for the film and music industry is not in proportion with the economic damage caused to the rightsholders,” they say.

For Dutch downloaders, however, everything will stay the same. Movies and music can be downloaded for free without running into legal trouble, as long as the files are not shared with others.

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  • Guest

    Dutch VPN, here I come!

    • Wal-Mart

      This is a sad day for freedom and innovation on the internet

      Leave it to the Dutch to hold back progress

      • markh

        Hahahaha, You lose Wal-Mart, I’m Dutch and proud to be one with this government, at least not the ones you have

        • ProGrasTiNation

          Love your country man!

        • Windlasher

          I dated a woman from the Netherlands for a bit. Tall, Blonde, Beautiful and Free Movies. Damned I should have married her. :-)

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaWadling Veronica Wadlington

          The money that’s collected, up to 5 euro per device, will be distributed to copyright holders.http://www.MillionaireProjects2013.qr.net/jW6X/SpecialJob20=dWQvoSHLbIE

        • Weh?

          The woman was tall, blonde, beautiful and “free movies”?
          I didn’t know dutch women have that feature in their body.
          Are they available in 3D and high definition too?

        • Guest321

          “rightsholders will be compensated through a private copying tax on various media storage devices.”

          I think this is stupid. They are assuming everyone who buys hard drives do it for downloading copyrighted materials. Of course there is no other purpose for hard drives right? While it isn’t a bad solution for file sharers, I think its quite unfair to those who are not.

        • RussianGuest

          Guest321,
          I agree with you – here in Russia we have something like that (1% of HDD goes to “somebody”) but it’s not even working for ACTUAL rightholders, just some Russian analog of MAFIAA takes it!

        • Adam

          Going this way is a good start. The system still need to be improved to try and get the money to the right people. If it is paid to an ‘industry organisation’ you can bet the little guys who need the money the most will never be able to apply to get their cut, and even the medium/large bands I bet wont get any either. Just the anti-piracy folk will fund them selves with it.

          Its also entirely unfair that If I choose to boycott the mainstream, buy music legally from an independent distributor in a drm free digital format and burn it to a cdr for use in the car then money will got the main stream music industry. That is still very wrong. Same applies if I use the media for any legal purpose that has nothing to do with piracy – which in my case is always true.

      • Guest

        Is Wal-Mart upset?

        No leave it to the Dutch to keep the internet free and open.

        • Guest

          Now… The Netherlands only needs to legalize marijuana.

          OH WAIT..

        • Oehoeboeroe

          Marijuana isn’t legal in the Netherlands. See
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedogen

        • commenter8

          Marijuana in Netherlands is actually “gedogt” which means that technically there is a law against it, but nobody cares about the law, not even the police.

          And prostitution is legal in Netherlands, let’s not forget the lovely ladies ;-)

      • Marketable

        This is a sad day, Wal-Mart posted today.

        • guess who

          i like the way everytime he posts and thinks he’s punching us in the face he ends up fisting himself up the arse both both hands. he’s a idiot.

        • JordanKratz

          Wal-Mart………………….what’s that anyways ?
          Oh, yeah we are talking about that ignorant Wanker.

      • mary hinge

        i usually keep myself to myself, and mind my own business, but after reading some of your comments through your profile i cannot hold my tongue any longer,
        MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS YOU WANKER
        ps, i won’t tell you to fuck off as we need some balance here, and you single handedly provide plenty of fodder

      • Nejtillpirater

        Ha! That’s interesting to start with the name Wall-Mart Nejtillpirater. . . NOT!

        Idiot!

        He think that we don’t get it. geee!

        • jon7272

          what the hell have you been smoking please explain in english you fool

        • icec0ld

          I think Nejtillpirater is getting his sock puppets all mixed up

      • icec0ld

        Considering they’re legalizing the activities keeping innovation alive I find your statement lacking any weight or relevance.

      • Andrew Lee

        Innovation is being slowed down by hoarding access to data.
        Also if someone makes downloading illegal it would be considered taking away a freedom.

      • Guest

        There is no innovation if copyright is involved; only inveiglement.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Power2All Jasper Lingers

        Fuck you wal-mart,
        Just… Fuck you…
        Dutch freedom above Copyright-freedom, kiss my hairy ass :)

      • Skunkfire

        How is it a sad day? You Must be a Piracy troll. Movie stupids constantly over charge for sub par movies. And many game companies Charge Way to much for Games that arnt always finished(rushed) I Feel robed at times when i go spend 110+ Dollers on a game or some movies and feel like i want to trash them after playing or using them. This is why i like downloading movies. If i like it ill buy it. So Call me what you will but the fact is im a fussy client who puts money into the pockets of fat cats, but im glad i dont waste my cash on shit movies or games, I always try before i buy.

        Also If anything the dutch are progressing innovation by thinking out side of the box..

        Btw If your really related to the Wal-Mart Retards that can bee seen shopping at your backwater hole SHop id suggest u to go kill yourself.

        And if you dont like my comments, to bad. Freedom of speech. Or would u prefer we all acted like commies?

        • Skunkfire

          First Line Was meant to be Movie Studios.

    • TNT

      If the Dutch were smart, they’d refuse American costumers to their VPN services altogether, for you never know what kind of sneaky route the US government and/or these entertainment lobby groups might take to get their way.

      • chronoss

        ya awful to let kids and others user your services that bones there very people your speaking of …most stupid anal post of the day award you get.

        A VPN is not a torrent swarm you fucktard….

      • LoveYourTypo

        Those bloody American costumers get everywhere. Where do they get off making us wear these silly costumes? Bastards.

    • chronoss

      look the fact is what better way to not get sued for 2000 dollars extortion money then pay like 5-10 a month on top of your storage
      dell and others are just fronts for holly stupid that wants more more more more ….this way like the cdr levy of canada that has garnered 600 million since it began is an easy way for everyone to have peace….AS LONG as the tax man pays the artists.

      those that speak against it are in league with Hollywood ( OR WOULD NEVER PAY ANYHTING BUT want to get cdrs and dvdrs and hard drives and fill them up ) so listen and see which ones around you you thought were pro user and aren’t.

      so what it costs a few extra for a drive its cost dell and others a hell of a lot less when people stop buying computers and hard drives and monitors to watch all those movies and tv and listen to the music. SMARTEN THE FUCK UP and quit wasting humanities time over greed.
      I’d rather be spending my time enjoying stuff then worry about 5$ extra cost ona hard drive.

      NO my dear friends at dell whom i haven’t bought a pc from in years cause your already overpriced and garbage….no your wrong and if i were the dutch i’d stick to it.

      get a million people like me show up and say each of these people wants to address the court , i wonder if dell has 10 years lawyers fees to fight this and see whats more expensive

      also if you dont want to play nice dell and this includes acer maybe you should have all got together and fight the copyright people when it could have mattered….like ten years back.

      ive bought more blanks since the download music levy in canada happened then before. and i dont stop cause they add 26.7 cents

    • Kitlope

      lol yup yup

  • Mikko Rauhala

    “as long as the files are not shared with others”

    So p2p is still out then, and with it the most practical possibilities to exercise this freedom.

    • Anon

      Yeah, that statement doesn’t make sense at all. The whole article makes it sound like it’s legal to download files from other people in the Netherlands, “as long as the files are not shared with others”. That’s exactly what P2P means. Are they saying you can’t copy to physical media and share with others? Where do they think people are downloading to/from. From personal rips on their home servers to their own mobile devices?

      • HumanDownloader

        That must mean they can download files,
        but they must not share physical copies with others
        and/or cannot reshare the files on internet.

        • IDIOCRACY

          Both almost right, It is legal to download, from what source you like, both legal or supposedly illegal or really illegal by conviction. It is illegal to upload, but that is (will show as soon as BREIN starts suing individual up-loaders) not necessary to do when you download. The material downloaded does not need to be downloaded from Dutch websites or other sources located at dutch soil. That is irrelevant. The downloading of software is illegal, at least that is what is said in the several articles about this voting of Parliament. However this was not part of the vote, so the original law about this remains unchanged: downloading of software is legal, use without license is not. In reality the software part is only checked and pursued with companies using software illegally. (has to do with profitable lawsuits.. as they say it in dutch: you can’t get feathers from a bold chicken).

    • Fr3d

      It is also now legal to rip music, films and other copyrighted material for personal use in the UK. But you are not allowed to share the copy.

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      This shows that the Dutch law is a theoretical and non working solution. They will have to comply with copyright laws in other European countries eventually, unless they’re willing to close their borders to other countries and I don’t think they will.

      • Who

        “They will have to comply with copyright laws in other European countries”

        they don’t have to do any thing! one country can’t tell another country how to govern them selves.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          Civilized countries typically has agreements with other countries regarding trade, diplomacy etc. Do they want to be regarded as pariah? Not in the long run.

        • Fredrika

          > “Civilized countries typically has agreements with other countries regarding trade, diplomacy etc. Do they want to be regarded as pariah? Not in the long run.”

          Well, since not even the US has a problem with legalised non-profit filesharing, legalised filesharing really doesn’t make a country a pariah, now does it?

        • Guest

          “Civilized countries typically have agreements with other countries regarding trade, diplomacy etc. Do they want to be regarded as pariah? Not in the long run.”

          Again with the pink elephants! Only in your mind, not in the real world.

        • Guest

          they don’t have to do any thing! one country can’t tell another country how to govern them selves.

          That’s not true. America is threatening to send a judge to the UK to lecture Parliament on how they should be conducting the witch hunt of filesharers. They think they own the bloody world!

        • Who

          @Guest: “America is threatening” YEP and act of terrorism right there.

          @Guest: “Again with the pink elephants! Only in your mind, not in the real world.” YEP just as I suspected…your mind is clouded by the lie.

          @Nejtillpirater: you call un-lawfull spying on a Civilized agreement? LOL

        • Guest

          “Do they want to be regarded as pariah?”

          whatever.

          The most stupid and fake-st statement either written in any forum by a troll.

          Congratulation! And I am the one who got fired! Go figure!

          I am the real Nejtillpirater.

          This guy is an impostor. Stop using my name Asshole! At least try to sound less stupid, Dam It!

        • fuck europ & NUKE FRANCE

          bussles will do its best to fuck that over for starters. the worst thing we, england, ever did was join the us of e (we all know that’s what it’ll end up called). like america, the us of e is corrupt to the core.

        • Guest

          “Civilized countries typically have agreements with other countries regarding trade, diplomacy”

          Yes, and those diplomatic and trade agreements are too valuable to jeopardize over something as minor and petty as copyright matters.

          And here’s proof: filesharing has been legal in the Netherlands ALL ALONG but no other European countries have ever threatened to break their diplomatic or trade agreements with them over it. If that was ever going to happen then IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED BY NOW.

          Try again.

        • icec0ld

          @Nejtillpirater

          It would a political and social land mine to attempt to cast out the country. Not to mention REAL EU directives prevent that sort of thing from happening.

        • chronoss

          Nejtillpirater…civilized countries would not let people sit on there butts for more then 5 years to recoup monies …oh well your a sicko fucking retard and we all know it.

        • Windlasher

          China copies everything we do. There are entire markets filled with nothing but Pirated DVDs, books, Cds and other Various Objects.

          Anyone need a Complete set of Calloway Golf Clubs?? $100 in any market.

          And what do we do to china for this blatant copyright infringement???

          WE BORROW MONEY FROM THEM?

      • Fredrika

        > “This shows that the Dutch law is a theoretical and non working solution.”

        Unlike in the countries where downloading is forbidden, there it works just fine, right?

        > “They will have to comply with copyright laws in other European countries eventually..”

        Nope.

        > “..unless they’re willing to close their borders to other countries and I don’t think they will.”

        There’s no reason for such stupidity.

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          He’s Trolling, DNFTT.
          Reply to someone who will actually listen to your arguments.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

        • 7th_Guest

          PotatoChip, NTP’s objective has been repeatedly demonstrated here to be an obvious attempt to manipulate and swing the opinions of casual, undecided TF visitors around ethical, legislative, legal and market aspects regarding file sharing (piracy) and the Pirate Movement rather than the honest debate thereof with the ultimate goal of seeking and finding some truth or common ground. Trite, rote and grinding as the process may be, for the sake of all those ppl who are still learning about those issues and haven’t made up their mind, his arguments – such as they are – unfortunately still need to be calmly addressed and pedantically dismantled one by one for the flimsy veiled regressive sociopathy that they are whenever they appear. Think of the writing of such replies as a time investment for the benefit of the education of future Pirates. Repetition is the matter of learning, after all :).

        • 7th_Guest

          Ugh, mother* …fokn typos.

      • Fggh

        fuck off copyright troll! suck you tranny momma’s dick bitch

      • Hahaha

        This shows that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about…

      • MadAsASnake

        Nope. The dutch government is not prepared to sacrifice the privacy of normal people doing normal things to the alter of corporate greed. What they legislated is entirely workable, as opposed to the MAFIAA solutions which tend to be draconian and ineffective. BTW, UK government is finally fixing the law so that is no longer a criminal offense to RIP CD’s and DVD’s for your own personal use. Looks like legislation is heading in the opposite direction of your wishes

        • SlightlyAnnoyedAsAVole

          Ripping CDs and DVDs was never a criminal offence in the UK, it was a civil offence. It only became a criminal offence if you were SELLING copies of ripped CDs and DVDs (covered under anti-counterfeiting laws). Still, it’s good to know they’re finally updating the old civil laws to make them relevant for the UK 10 years ago. Haha

      • Guest

        “This shows that the Dutch law is a theoretical and non working solution”

        Hello Pink elephant time again. Only in your mind do you say that because it goes against your ideals. This is now law in The Netherlands whether you like it or not, deal with it.

        “They will have to comply with copyright laws in other European countries eventually,”

        Pink elephants again! They are perfectly complying with copyright laws of there own country and since when has it been law for the people of one country to comply with copyright of another country when those people do not come under the other countries jurisidiction.

      • Ardvaark

        Close the borders? I don’t think this is a unique case in Europe.
        I do remember a few months ago the same thing happened in Portugal except the “pirate tax” was also outlawed and sharing is allowed.

        I think Spain had similar laws and there’s probably more countries in the EU that also embrace this new view.

        If anything, more countries will “open their borders” to this mindset in the future.

        • Guest321

          I think file sharing is legal in Norway too. I hope more and more countries in the EU and elsewhere move forward in the right direction and legalise file sharing. They need to realize they don’t need to bend over to the US as a single country cannot dictate the laws of all European countries.

      • Nejtillpirater

        Oh that is really smart corporate troll.

        You know I think that you are wasting the AntiPiratebyran money right now because frankly this is not convincing. I was doing a better job than you I believe.

      • Guest

        “This shows that the Dutch law is a theoretical and non working solution.”

        You’re right. This decision to uphold the “piracy tax” doesn’t work because it helps perpetuate the existence of the copyright MAFIAA. They need to drop the tax and let those dinosaurs die.

        I don’t like Dell, Acer, or HP but I wish them the best of luck with their lawsuit.

        “They will have to comply with copyright laws in other European countries eventually”

        NOPE. Why the fuck are you unable to grasp the concept of sovereignty, Nej? The Netherlands are not obligated to give a single shit about the laws of other European countries. They will follow their own copyright law. Not France’s, not Germany’s, not whoever else’s.

      • chronoss

        this shows that smoking crack while trying to sound all intelligent is a non working solution. Nejtillpirater it is there country no really fuck off get a life and go do cocaine with your lawyer/secretary already ….oh and we set your yacht on fire for the lolz….

      • Xult

        You are the type of guy who would willingly shove people into the ovens after been gassed!
        Only following orders.
        You are a paid troll.
        You have my respect for being better than the average troll.
        But a troll non the less.
        And someone who will be dealt with.

      • Windlasher

        Horse Hockey….. They can do what they like.

        Cause telling other countries what to do has worked so well in the past?

      • IDIOCRACY

        What a nonsense ney, and you know it…hehe

  • Anon

    If this tax remains in place, it just means everyone has to pay even for content they didn’t want and didn’t copy. Some “victory.”

    • loosersonlycomplain

      A Victory it is!

    • Guest

      Yeah? Buy one 3 tb drive, add extra +5 euro,
      Download 5 movies…saving=price of the 3 tb drive.
      Seems reasonable to me.

      • guess who

        4tb hdd’s are now available. hth.

      • Guest

        Or… Buy storage devices second hand. Laugh at the tax.

    • Mpharberts1

      Not True, people will end up buying media storage online or in the neighbouring countries

      • Anyone

        germany has the same tax
        not sure about the other neighbors

        • markh

          belgium, luxemburg

        • bushdiver

          Germany may have the same tax but it is still against the law to d/l movies, music, games etc.

    • Guest

      Which we already do. That’s what you champion for, isn’t it Anon? Paying for laws that call you a pirate. What was your point again?

    • Colin Carr

      But as we’ve established that the Netherlands can keep their borders open, what’s to stop the Dutch people nipping across to Belgium or Germany to buy their phones, computers etc?… ;-)

  • Zest

    holand most civilized country in the world.legal weed legal filesharing :)

    • DutchGuest

      Marijuana is NOT legal here.
      Otherwise it’d be legal to grow as well, and they’d start taxing it.
      We’re nowhere near that, thanks to the Rightwing, Christian (Extremist)and other retarded pro-European parties.

      • Guest

        I like how you put christian and extremist in the brackets – exactly my thought when I think of them :)

    • commenter8

      Marijuana is actually “gedogt” which means that technically there is a law against it but nobody cares about it, not even the police.

    • commenter8

      And legalized prostitution, let’s not forget to mention the lovely ladies :-)

  • Joe

    Unlike the Canadian government who bend backwards and started to suck the balls of American interests.

  • Blithering Fool

    Why are dell and acer complaining? EUR 5 is hardly much.

    • MadAsASnake

      EUR 5 is EUR 5 too much

      • guess who

        didn’t the euro get flushed down the shitter? we use real money here in england, the pound sterling, its still worth something. fuck europe and thier stupid monopoly money.

        • Guest

          Eh up, lad. Tha’s not wrong!

        • IDIOCRACY

          Ever since the euro came, the value of the pound sterling has become less and less compared to the euro, hows that for brains smartypants. You might want to check something before you post it next time….

        • 7th_Guest

          Rofl. Ahh, those insecure brits. What would we ever do without ‘em, here in the old continent? Oh, wait, I know: have a clearer view to the Atlantic :p.

  • Josh431

    that’s great news ..

    & i got some movies to download from here > http://www.warez-home.net/

  • Dynosauer

    Thank you open borders. My German blanco Brand DVD’s cost me 0,8 /disc Yeeeha

    • Dynosauer

      blanc, Brand DVD’s

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  • DannyUfonek

    Don’t forget guys that this is better news, but still very bad news.
    The problem with these kinds of taxes is that they are given to a private authority (thereby making it a state-guaranteed income) and nobody knows where the money goes, except that the biggest share goes to rightholders and to the most popular artists, which completely disregards independents and presumption of innocence.
    This tax is basically a tax on technology (which blocks progress) and should be outright banned altogether. Also this way the organisations receiving this tax can just sit on their ass and do nothing, because the money is just flowing in, which is a privilege no other private industry has.
    This is NOT GREAT news, it’s just news of a lesser evil. Perhaps it’s even more evil because it takes everyone as an infringer. So, although downloading remains legal, these parasitic organisations just significantly raised their income.

    • markh

      I disagree, we in holland get taxed for almost everything even for keeping dogs. so one extra tax people in holland will not complain to much, since we can get our stuff also in germany or belgium

      • DannyUfonek

        Yes, taxing is not a problem in itself, the problem is where the money goes. As you’re saying, the dog tax (which is quite widespread) goes to the town/city to clean up after those that don’t clean up after their four-legged friend. The town is a public authority, working for the public good and paid by the taxes.

        Whereas this particular tax goes to a private organisation (In the Czech Republic it’s called OSA, i’d bet each country in Europe has its own similar organisation) that serves private interests. The money is then divided to the organisation’s will, which includes only authors that are part of it (but only the really popular ones are paid good). Independents never see any of that money, even though their copyrights can be infringed too.

        The problem is that taxes are normally used (generally) to the public interest, but this tax is a free law-guaranteed source of income for the organisations which don’t serve the public.

        • guess who

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

          it would seem the gready cunts want thier cake and eat it. they already get money from blank media.

        • markh

          I disagree, knowing from living in hollland, you pay the dog tax and they use it for something else, now you have to pay the dogtax and clean it up yourself, so it is just a way to extract money to pay to bills european union is costing

        • IDIOCRACY

          Actually the money goes to the home-copy foundation. A lot of he money is still there, not being paid to anyone…they are trying to figure out now how to pay and to whom. They have a nice graphics filled web-page with what goes to who, but in reality this is harder than it seems.
          As of here I would like to advise the Promo Bay, to register as a representative of indie authors / artist and claim money as well, to be used to give to the promoted artist and ask the artist if they want to donate part of this money to the Promo bay (for actually advertisement on other webpages hehe. You never know, if well constructed… it might work.

  • PiRat

    So if P2P is still illegal (uploading part etc.) then nothing has really changed since enforcing against just downloaders is next to impossible anyways.

    If I was in the Nethers I’d avoid buying storage there, just to stick it to ‘em!

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    I’m sure they will have to comply with the EU directives eventually. We must have similar copyright laws in all countries in Europe to start with and then in the rest of the world. Having a pirate heaven in a few countries doesn’t work on the Internet, unless blocking of certain traffic to/from such countries will be implemented.

    • Fredrika

      > “I’m sure they will have to comply with the EU directives eventually.”

      Why don’t you stop lying about that? There is no EU directive that says that non-profit downloading or uploading has to be illegal? That’s the very reason why it can stay legal in The Netherlands and Spain, and why any EU country can legalise non-profit filesharing of all copyright works any day they want.

      > “We must have similar copyright laws in all countries in Europe to start with and then in the rest of the world.”

      Must because otherwise the pink elephants from space will come and invade earth?

      > “Having a pirate heaven in a few countries..”

      A few? You really have no clue how many there are, now do you?

      > “..doesn’t work on the Internet..”

      Last time i checked it works just fine?

      > “..unless blocking of certain traffic to/from such countries will be implemented.”

      And again you prove how little technical knowledge you have, and how much you want to destroy society’s economy.

    • Guest

      I suggest the read the article on Techdirt titled European Court Of Human Rights Reinforces Right To Access Online Content http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121220/08515021451/european-court-human-rights-reinforces-right-to-access-online-content.shtml

      This will no doubt cast doubt on blocking access to TPB which no doubt will upset you.

    • Hahaha

      stop spreading your misinformation/petty wishful thinking!

    • http://twitter.com/JerkfaceMcGee Jerkface McGee

      >Having a pirate heaven in a few countries doesn’t work on the Internet, unless blocking of certain traffic to/from such countries will be implemented.

      Ohhhh boy, it sure does! You must be living under a rock for a good while. American here downloading legal pirate symbols from Swedish sites since 2007!

    • Cash

      So american law for all the world. Lovely. Its about money, start with all cd/dvd purchases giving money to them for “pirate uses”, then all blank media, then all isp accounts. Then STILL sue people as hey, thats good income too. Sure you’ve already paid to use your internet and your drive to create a copy for your personal use but we’d like more cash please so please settle for a shiny $2000.

    • Guest32

      “I’m sure they will have to comply with the EU directives eventually. We must have similar copyright laws in all countries in Europe to start with and then
      in the rest of the world. Having a pirate heaven in a few countries doesn’t work on the Internet, unless blocking of certain traffic to/from such countries
      will be implemented.”

      You are wrong. The EU copyright framework does not bforbid but explicitly permits national copyright exemptions. The only condition is that these exemptions must compensate the copyright holders. In Sweden copying from a legal original ffor personal is legal, and in a lot of other countries copying from legal sources is also legal.

      The only difference between the Dutch law and the law in other countries is that the former permits copying/downloading from illegal sources whereas the latter only permit copying from a legal source.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        “In Sweden copying from a legal original ffor personal is legal,”

        Yes but only to friends and family, not “everyone on the Internet”. And you’re not allowed to break copy protection for the purpose of producing such a copy. And your generally not allowed to copy commercial software, not even to friends and family.

        “The only difference between the Dutch law and the law in other countries is that the former permits copying/downloading from illegal sources whereas the latter only permit copying from a legal source.”

        This is a very big difference, basically ignoring the problems with piracy. Not worthy a democracy.

        • Fredrika

          > “This is a very big difference, basically ignoring the problems with piracy.”

          First of all there’s nothing that even indicates a problem with on-line non-profit piracy. Simply claiming a problem exists doesn’t make it so.

          Secondly, why don’t you respond to the point being made, and try to follow the argumentative thread that you yourself started, with yet another lie about what an EU directive stated? You made a lie, and as usual you got caught lying.

          Are you going to admit to lying now, and back down from your incorrect claim, or is that an impossibility for you?

          > “Not worthy a democracy.”

          Nor is holding unconstitutional trials, as Sweden did with the Pirate Bay trial, and today’s E-phone trial, where the judges are, according to the Swedish and European constitution, biased, a fact that you are desperately afraid of even commenting on, because you know that the second you try to get away with another lie about the judges not being biased, or the trials not being unconstitutional, i will throw quotes at you from the relevant paragraphs in the constitutions, that in very specific wording explains what constitutes bias.

          Considering your four years of dishonest arguing and out right lying in basically every single comment you write, you really shouldn’t talk about worthy.

        • commenter8

          “only to friends and family” – no problem, I have over 7 billion friends ;-)

        • Guest

          “Not worthy a democracy.”

          Yeah. In a worthy democracy, the will of the people is ignored and the law is dictated by special interests bribing politicians. Right, Nej?

        • icec0ld

          Rich. Someone who has regularly detested democracy is now judging how worthy one is.

          Hilariously, this isn’t ignoring piracy. Not in the slightest. This is in fact one of the rare occasions where it is being addressed in a rationale and sane manner, rather than the fascist, money = power, club everyone I can reach for stupid sums of money way we see America and many other countries endorsing.

        • markh

          go suck d.. and shut up with your rubbish sweden is not a democracy

        • ScrewEwe2

          Democracy is democracy, irregardless of whether you or anyone else thinks it’s worthy. The U.S. government tries to hardsell democracy in the middle east, and when the citizens of Gaza democratically elect Hamas into power and the citizens of Egypt elect the Muslim Brotherhood into power to rule the hood, these are unworthy democracies.

          1). Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it and not like the outcome.

          2). Worry about your own damn democracy and don’t try to force your democracy on others.

          3). True democracy is mob rule and can be very good, or very unjust, depending on what 50.1% want in a constitution. If you’re a transexual christian evangelist in Iraq who is trying to get young people to eat the body of Christ and drink his blood, that’s probably not going to work out too well for you, because the majority of Iraqi’s aren’t really into transexual christian evangelists that much.

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          Copyright Policies are not part of democracy.

        • Guest

          “Yes but only to friends and family, not “everyone on the Internet”. And you’re not allowed to break copy protection for the purpose of producing such a
          copy. And your generally not allowed to copy commercial software, not even to friends and family.”

          Yes, but you are still wrong as to the obligations imposed by EU law a fact which you now try to avoid.

          Nothing in community law forbids national copyright exemptions which in practice have the effect of legalizing obtaining copyrighted works without paying the copyright holder directly.

          And even uploading and other forms of illegal distribution becomes harder to prosecute, because you can’t prove that someone is guilty of something illegal merely on account of possessing works for which he hasn’t paid.

          In countries where both ends of the transaction is unlawful, a person found in possession of a lot of copyrighted works can often be either prosecuted either for uploading or for acquiring the content, but if only the distribution is unlawful, you can only get a conviction if the defendant either confesses to uploading or other evidence points to distribution.

          Mere possession of works for which there is no payment proof is not in itself illegal, and this is why so few uploaders are prosecuted in The Netherlands. Add to all this, that an IP address does not suffice to convict a physical person, and that multiple persons living in a living arrangement may have access to the computer, router password and the copied media, and that building a case merely against someone you must prove have uploaded — not just downloaded – becomes uneconomical.

          “”The only difference between the Dutch law and the law in other countries is that the former permits copying/downloading from illegal sources whereas the
          latter only permit copying from a legal source.”"

          “This is a very big difference, basically ignoring the problems with piracy. Not worthy a democracy.”

          Under the Swedish law, I can legally copy my friend’s cd collection provided it’s from a legal source, but I can’t (legally) download the same files from his media server.

          Under the Dutch law, I can legally do both.’

          And under both models, the copyright holders receive compensation for the legal exemption allowing me to copy.

          Are you taking the position that granting copyright exemptions in exchange for media levies is undemocratic? Or are you as I suspect only angry because the law is not onesided enough?

          The fact that even Swedish law which you in other debates have argued is democratic, recognizes that the copyright monopoly is not absolute is an additional reason why calling copyright infringement theft is at best misleading.

        • Guest32

          “Yes but only to friends and family, not “everyone on the Internet”. And you’re not allowed to break copy protection for the purpose of producing such a
          copy. And your generally not allowed to copy commercial software, not even to friends and family.”

          Yes, but you are still wrong as to the obligations imposed by EU law a fact which you now try to avoid.

          Nothing in community law forbids national copyright exemptions which in practice have the effect of legalizing obtaining copyrighted works without paying the copyright holder directly.

          And even uploading and other forms of illegal distribution becomes harder to prosecute, because you can’t prove that someone is guilty of something illegal merely on account of possessing works for which he hasn’t paid.

          In countries where both ends of the transaction is unlawful, a person found in possession of a lot of copyrighted works can often be either prosecuted either for uploading or for acquiring the content, but if only the distribution is unlawful, you can only get a conviction if the defendant either confesses to uploading or other evidence points to distribution.

          Mere possession of works for which there is no payment proof is not in itself illegal, and this is why so few uploaders are prosecuted in The Netherlands. Add to all this, that an IP address does not suffice to convict a physical person, and that multiple persons living in a living arrangement may have access to the computer, router password and the copied media, and that building a case merely against someone you must prove have uploaded — not just downloaded – becomes uneconomical.

          “”The only difference between the Dutch law and the law in other countries is that the former permits copying/downloading from illegal sources whereas the
          latter only permit copying from a legal source.”"

          “This is a very big difference, basically ignoring the problems with piracy. Not worthy a democracy.”

          Under the Swedish law, I can legally copy my friend’s cd collection provided it’s from a legal source, but I can’t (legally) download the same files from his media server.

          Under the Dutch law, I can legally do both.’

          And under both models, the copyright holders receive compensation for the legal exemption allowing me to copy.

          Are you taking the position that granting copyright exemptions in exchange for media levies is undemocratic? Or are you as I suspect only angry because the law is not onesided enough?

          The fact that even Swedish law which you in other debates have argued is democratic, recognizes that the copyright monopoly is not absolute is an additional reason why calling copyright infringement theft is at best misleading. Even the Berne Convention and other international agreements do not foreclose that a state may legalize non-commercial file sharing in exchange for a media levy benefitting the copyright holders.

          Copyright holders have for years pressured governments to extend media levies on everything copying related, and now it’s coming back to bite them.

    • Guest

      Nej, you’re just mad that democracy didn’t work the way you wanted it to. Not even your cocksucking hero Tim Kuik could save you this time.

      But don’t worry, you’ll always have a place under Daddy Pelouzey’s special desk.

      • Guest

        Yep Nej is completely not liking this at all and the person doesn’t even live in The Netherlands at all so it is not going to affect the person at all.

    • icec0ld

      What EU directive?

      “We must have similar copyright laws in all countries”

      Oooohhhhh. You’re just pretending that the EU will pass Copyright laws that blanket entire nations and subject their citizens to police state raids based on unverified evidence of infringement.

      “unless blocking of certain traffic to/from such countries will be implemented”

      Lets push more people to proxy’s and VPNs. The harder you fight social justice with the law, the more social justice will push back, especially in an environment like the internet where information, free to all is seen as a defining characteristic of it’s existence..

      Copyright law threatens to send people back to the dark ages of intellectualism. Simple as that. It’s why no one with a working brain is supporting this

      • Colin Carr

        Nej is still pissed off that the European Parliament, acting on behalf of the clearly expressed wishes of EU citizens, rejected ACTA last summer. ;-)

        • IDIOCRACY

          And they actually canceled the test trail before the European high court a few days ago, therefore it is really dead. hehe

    • proxy ftw

      Blocking only detours. If its out there, people will get them. why not follow what australia’s ISPs suggests, allow more sources to download?

    • Guest

      Last Nazi in Dutchland?

    • Colin Carr

      “We must have similar copyright laws in all countries in Europe to start with and then in the rest of the world.”

      I read that Nej, then closed my eyes. I saw a grainy 1930s vintage black & white newsreel of this guy with a moustache shrieking at a crowd of 100,000, “Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Fuhrer!” Happily, I opened my eyes again before anyone could shout back “Sieg Heil!”.

      And to any German readers, my barb is aimed at a Swedish MAFIAA shill, not at Germany.

    • Liam JH

      Lies, all lies

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  • Doubledutch

    Clever plan on preserving the Dutch language. In a 10 years I should be fluent from all the Dutch DVD menus and forced Dutch subs I am exposed too

  • Swiss

    the same here in Switzerland..

    Download is legal. Upload not.

    And we get Taxed on empty CD,DVD,HDD,etc.

    • Guest-1879

      Also legal to upload and download in Portugal but we don’t get taxed on dvd and the like.

  • 1hhh1

    Two questions,what about Brein and does this mean sites like mininova can add these to their current site

  • MadAsASnake

    These “media taxes” should go. Either, it fully covers your activity with that media and copyright material (and this needs to be acknowledged by statute), in which case there should certainly be an opt out for non-users, or there should be no tax. Anything else means you are being taxed on the presumption that you will break the law. This sort of prejudice should not be entertained by our lawmakers.

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  • Anonymous

    obviously, the entertainment industry lobbyists have already gone home for Xmas. dont worry though, things will change early in the New Year when they get back and the bribes to politicians start flying around again! what the industries will want is for the levy to stay on the media but to ban the downloading, block the sites and throw as many into prison as possible, after bankrupting them all first, that is!! fucking greedy arse holes! all need to be put on the first spaceship to do a close inspection of the interior of the Sun!!

  • John Space

    The Netherlands is a civilized country.

  • little

    Every time I look at a filehost IP-Location it’s always in the Netherlands or France. :p

  • Guest

    I’m quite happy with this system.
    I payed a total of 17,50 extra for my 4 drives (1.5tb, 2x 1tb, 500gb) and can download without ristrictions.

    I see some people complaining that its a faulty system, just because people are not allowed to upload. Quick question for those people: Do people stop uploading just because they are not allowed?

    Someone also said we might get dragged to court anyway.
    It is possible, but remember, we pay the tax for the “lost income” of the rightsholders. So the rightsholders do not have any ground to make a case on (unless you uploaded the matterial yourself ofcourse).

  • TogTinToo

    The Netherlands sure seem like a cool place to be!
    Global-Anon.tk

  • guest

    great…. go ask the Dutch governement to pay money for my porn sites…….

    • Anyone

      nobody pays for porn anymore

      • guess who

        ben dover seems to dissagaree about that. maybe he’s called that because he’s been bent over and fucked on the net for charging for something people have been doing for longer than copystupidity has existed.

        • Anyone

          he’d probably agree
          that’s why he goes around suing people, he can’t make money anymore in another way

  • mary hinge

    i don’t have a lot to say here, except Holland is at the cutting edge of cannabis cultivation and that is all that is important here, so don’t forget it, also, they say seeding is illegal but everyone’s seeding, and growing, and smoking………you plant the seed….you grow the seed…..you smoke the weed

    • commenter8

      Prostitution is important in Netherlands too, let’s not forget to mention the lovely ladies ;-)

  • mary hinge

    and that guy up there somewhere, he is giving wal mart a GooD name

  • Windlasher

    SO where the HELL is the Dutch PROXY ISP so I can sign up.

  • Gae

    The media tax is bullshit, they are assuming everybody will pirate something if they buy a device or media that is capable of storing music or movies.

    If the recent survey estimates 30% of the population pirates stuff then they are wrongfully taxing and punishing the 70% of people that are I assume legitimate paying customers.

    Still, the news is mostly good – I bet Tim kock or whatever he is called is crying himself to sleep this christmas.

    • Anyone

      easy to remember his name: fucktimkuik.org

      • guess who

        i have no idea why, but when i clicked on that link i was left with a huge smile on my boat race.

    • Anon

      Yeah, the right thing to do has always been the same. Pay for the for-sale stuff you copy so you don’t have to pay for the for-sale stuff you don’t want. Then government wouldn’t be bending over backwards and taxing innocent folks trying to level the field of commerce.
      Piracy is for morons.

      • Fredrika

        > “..the right thing to do has always been the same. Pay for the for-sale stuff you copy..”

        Again lying through your teeth about mankind’s history. The way it has always worked in reality is that you pay for the stuff you buy. If you go home and manufacture something yourself to never pay, because no sale took place, so there’s nothing to pay for.

        > “..so you don’t have to pay for the for-sale stuff you don’t want.”

        In reality and on the free market the reason you don’t pay for the for-sale stuff you don’t want is that you don’t buy it. That’s the only required criteria for not paying for it. No buy = no pay.

        > “Then government wouldn’t be bending over backwards and taxing innocent folks trying to level the field of commerce.”

        Level the field of commerce? Usually the free market is considered a levelled field of commerce.

        The reason some governments are taxing innocent people in the above described manner is because they are corrupt and/or incompetent, trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist in the first place. Their excuses and lies for doing this doesn’t change that fundamental underlying reason.

        > “Piracy is for morons.”

        Piracy is for economically sane capitalists that believe in that the free market rules should apply if society has no proven need for a disturbance of the free market with legislative monopolies.

        That hardly qualifies for making you a moron.

        Lying about reality, resorting to history revisionism, and writing illogical nonsense that doesn’t correspond with any basic human economical or historical knowledge, to hide the fact one advocates fascism, that one is against the free market, and that one’s agenda is to damage the US economy and it’s cultural life, to protect the profits of a few weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market, that would make you a moron.

        Or maybe not, because being honest about those beliefs would make one look equally moronic. Or maybe selfish, greedy and inhuman are more appropriate words to describe that person?

        But as we all know, honesty is not your game. Making ridiculous claims that anyone that has even the most basic fundamental knowledge of economics, history or reality knows are wrong is.

        • Anon

          In Fredrika’s world no sale is lost because she never buys!, she just copies! and this passes for sanity! because there is no such thing as lawful copyright! I think I see now. lol

        • Fredrika

          > “In Fredrika’s world no sale is lost..”

          The correct terminology for what you are trying do describe is failure to sell, and in reality of course failure to sell is something that happens, but as you are fully aware of, on the free market the responsibility for a failure to sell always falls on the entrepreneur alone.

          > “..because she never buys!, she just copies!..”

          First of all you know nothing of what i do, and secondly, one does not exclude the other. Pirates do both generally, to such a large degree that they are carrying the culture industry’s current record revenues.

          > “..and this passes for sanity!”

          Doesn’t being economical and not wasting once hard earned money on buying economically worthless products makes one sane? On the contrary, in reality, you’d have to be insane to voluntarily waste money buying something that holds no economical value, something that you could manufacture yourself for free.

          > “..because there is no such thing as lawful copyright!”

          I have never denied that there is something called copyright in some countries, far from all, and that in some countries that copyright law regulate some filesharing, far from all? But as you are fully aware of, society has no proven need for non-profit regulation in the copyright monopoly, and had you studied history you would have been well aware of the fact that people have never obeyed legislation that society has no proven need for, that forces people to do economically insane things, such as buying things that holds no economical value, instead of the logical and economical alternative, as in manufacturing it themselves for free.

          > “I think I see now.”

          Since nothing of what you wrote corresponded with anything i’ve written, i still don’t think you do.

          Or maybe it’s just that you are dishonest and unable to admit your actual agenda and belief, as in that you advocate fascism, and that you’re against the free market, and that your agenda is to damage the US economy and it’s cultural life, to protect the profits of a few weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market.

        • Anyone

          so in your world everyone has unlimited cash?
          my entertainment budget is limited, I couldn’t buy everything I download even if I wanted to

          so how exactly is downloading a “lost sale”?

        • Simples

          @ Anyone “I couldn’t buy everything I download even if I wanted to”. Then stop downbloading so much! Simples.

        • Fredrika

          > “Then stop downbloading so much! Simples.”

          To what purpose?

        • Anyone

          @Simples why?
          it’s free, so why should I limit myself?

  • icec0ld

    A piracy tax. What a farce that is. It shouldn’t even exist seeing as it’s an admittance along the lines of acknowledging that every device with this tax is going to be used for piracy when clearly It is just beyond possible to expect that.

  • Mango

    Software developers should incorporate “logic bombs” into their applications, When the app changes (by crackers), the software-bomb detonates in the face of the pirate.

    I am not talking about deleting files or damaging property. Instead, a webcam shot featuring the pirate jerking off to porn should be snapped and uploaded to a website.

    LOL :D

    • Anyone

      they tried that with games
      the only people affected were the people who bought the game, just like with all other DRM

  • Testa

    I just don’t get why suck a bad news is disguised as good and comprehensible…
    I mean, You can’t use torrent (because the nature of torrent is share) plus, you have to pay a tax which its destination it’s very obscure.

    People who are happy are just morons or i’m missing something?

  • downunder

    Taxing media usb and harddrives is stupid however if a person downloads heaps on web its fair to say its more likely media and more likely all or some pirate data so really
    the isps who are benefiting from it should be paying some the profit
    they make each month to the scheme even if its $5 a month from all high data users accounts.. that should keep the trolls happy

    the idea is good and way better then hassling online users
    and changing the laws to suit the rich.. and detoriate human rights

    but frankly.. if they just offered the content cheaply world wide
    and heaps of internet data cheaply it would be better all around for
    all parties without the need to patrol and punish and charge huge fines

    • Colin Carr

      I think AFACT tried an argument along those lines against iiNet in Australia.
      The Australian High Court disagreed.

      Have you any RELIABLE data to back up your assertion that, “…if a person downloads heaps on web its fair to say its more likely media and more likely all
      or some pirate data…”?

  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    Well… they’re all paying to pirate now…

    Think of it as buying a peg leg or some rum to get you started.

    Burn the fucking villages to the ground. Rape the porn.

  • Syborg

    The makers who support piracy also make the finest beer!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003037095323 Jerilyn Nighy

    “distributed to copyright holders” They mean, distributed to middlemen. Doubtful any creators would see any of that ill gotten tax money.

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  • Liam JH

    Great news for the Dutch, but mayo on chips – ewww

    • IDIOCRACY

      Nooo not on chips, on French fries, the thicker odd shaped English chips you eat with lost of garlic sauce hehehe

      • IDIOCRACY

        sorry for the typo…..lots

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  • Guest

    “Yes but only to friends and family, not “everyone on the Internet”. And you’re not allowed to break copy protection for the purpose of producing such a
    copy. And your generally not allowed to copy commercial software, not even to friends and family.”

    Yes, but you are still wrong as to the obligations imposed by EU law a fact which you now try to avoid.

    Nothing in community law forbids national copyright exemptions which in practice have the effect of legalizing obtaining copyrighted works without paying the copyright holder directly.

    And even uploading and other forms of illegal distribution becomes harder to prosecute, because you can’t prove that someone is guilty of something illegal merely on account of possessing works for which he hasn’t paid.

    In countries where both ends of the transaction is unlawful, a person found in possession of a lot of copyrighted works can often be either prosecuted either for uploading or for acquiring the content, but if only the distribution is unlawful, you can only get a conviction if the defendant either confesses to uploading or other evidence points to distribution.

    Mere possession of works for which there is no payment proof is not in itself illegal, and this is why so few uploaders are prosecuted in The Netherlands. Add to all this, that an IP address does not suffice to convict a physical person, and that multiple persons living in a living arrangement may have access to the computer, router password and the copied media, and that building a case merely against someone you must prove have uploaded — not just downloaded – becomes uneconomical.

    “”The only difference between the Dutch law and the law in other countries is that the former permits copying/downloading from illegal sources whereas the
    latter only permit copying from a legal source.”"

    “This is a very big difference, basically ignoring the problems with piracy. Not worthy a democracy.”

    Under the Swedish law, I can legally copy my friend’s cd collection provided it’s from a legal source, but I can’t (legally) download the same files from his media server.

    Under the Dutch law, I can legally do both.’

    And under both models, the copyright holders receive compensation for the legal exemption allowing me to copy.

    Are you taking the position that granting copyright exemptions in exchange for media levies is undemocratic? Or are you as I suspect only angry because the law is not onesided enough?

    The fact that even Swedish law which you in other debates have argued is democratic, recognizes that the copyright monopoly is not absolute is an additional reason why calling copyright infringement theft is at best misleading. Even the Berne Convention and other international agreements do not foreclose that a state may legalize non-commercial file sharing in exchange for a media levy benefitting the copyright holders.

    Copyright holders have for years pressured governments to extend media levies on everything copying related, and now it’s coming back to bite them.

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      “Under the Swedish law, I can legally copy my friend’s cd collection provided it’s from a legal source, but I can’t (legally) download the same files from his media server.

      Under the Dutch law, I can legally do both.’

      And under both models, the copyright holders receive compensation for the legal exemption allowing me to copy.”

      The problem is that in both countries, the received compensation is calculated on a model with no basis in reality since most copies are not made from originals. Also, there’s no way to be able to distribute the compensation fairly to the copyright holders without monitoring each downloaded file. I don’t now how it’s done in the Nehterlands, probably based on top charts for legal sold records/movies and copyright holders not on those charts won’t get anything regardless of how much their works are being downloaded.

      • Guest32

        “Under the Dutch law, I can legally do both.’

        And under both models, the copyright holders receive compensation for the legal exemption allowing me to copy.”"

        “The problem is that in both countries, the received compensation is calculated on a model with no basis in reality since most copies are not made from originals.
        Also, there’s no way to be able to distribute the compensation fairly to the copyright holders without monitoring each downloaded file.”

        You forget that the blank media levy or tax only exists in order to compensate copyright holders for legal copying. Since you don’t advocate that copying from unoriginal sources should be legalized, you can’t now have it both ways — advocating that the levy should reflect “reality” while at the same time advocating that the actions for which the levy you think should be a compensation have to stay illegal.

        If you want to argue that the copyright holders should be compensated for copying regardless of its source, you can’t also demand criminalization of said copying. The levy is only acceptable on the theory that it’s a compensation for something the public has a legal right to do.

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  • Who

    the BIG problem with this is that IF this does work out well for the users, the copyright holders will think they should receive more from the tax. say its only $5 to start, well by the time a year rolls around they will want the tax increased to say $50.

    on another note….you all need to just start ignoring the users that are spreading incorrect information about copyright law. if you want to know it in your country look in to it and then show them were it is write.

    Ive ran in to another user that linked to copyright law from a law university that had incorrect law posted on there site. so the US must be practicing law that has not yet been implemented in to legislation or what is written under US law is just getting ignored so they can LIE and control the masses.

    the moral of this is its seams that copyright law on a global scale is getting miss used and bent around so the rich can do as they please.

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    Boycott everything from USGAY ops USA, even if it is made in china. Too many corrupt criminals in the USGAY.

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    How about some electronic world
    http://www.UnSmusic.com
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