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File-Sharers Denied Official Religion Status in Sweden

Since 2010 a group of self-confessed pirates have attempted to get their newly-founded religion accepted by the authorities. The Church of Kopimism, which currently has close to 1,000 members, hope that official recognition of their values would make them immune from prosecution. However, the Swedish authorities have denied the request for the second time in succession.

All around the world file-sharers are being chased by anti-piracy outfits and the authorities, and the situation in Sweden is no different. While copyright holders are often quick to label file-sharers as pirates, there is a large group of people who actually consider copying to be a sacred act.

Philosophy student Isak Gerson is such a religious file-sharer, and in an attempt to protect this unique belief system he founded The Missionary Church of Kopimism last year. In the hope that they could help prevent persecution for their beliefs, the church then filed a request to be officially accepted by the authorities.

In practice this was easier said than done.

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“The application was rejected in early April this year,” Isak Gerson told TorrentFreak. “It was rejected because Swedish law requires a religious communion to have a formalized way of praying or meditation. Our formalized traditions were specified at the time.”

Despite this early setback, the Missionary Church of Kopimism wasn’t going to give up. For a church that holds CTRL+C and CTRL+V as sacred symbols, filing a new application wasn’t too hard. This time, however, they formalized their official rituals, including meditation over shared information and the act of copying.

In the months that followed the Church of Kopimism grew to nearly 1000 members, who all prayed that their religion would be accepted by the Swedish authorities. This week, however, more bad news arrived informing the group that once again they had been denied the right to start a church in Sweden.

“This time, we can’t really see any real reason for our denial. We adjusted our application just the way the Swedish authorities needed, and they still denied us the right to form a church,” founder Isak Gerson told us.

Gerson further told TorrentFreak that they are not sure whether they want to continue with their quest to be officially recognized by the authorities. Nevertheless, even without this official status the church and its members will continue to practice their sacred beliefs.

“One thing is certain though. We will continue meeting, believing in copying, deepen our faith and church, and fight politically for a world where copying is not only accepted by encouraged. We know that this is not only our dream and cause, but our calling,” Gerson concluded.

Prospective followers who embrace the same calling are of course still welcome to join the movement.

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  • Anonymous

    Amen

    • Boya4

      this Church needs a “Jesus”, “al-Qaida” or a “Holocaust” to be in the image…

      • Boya4

        or a celebrity member HA!

        • puddipuddi

          I heard Tom Cruise is down for it…

        • ZOnGar

          Corpo’ Amerika and CIA made the “Al-Qaida” org to infiltrate and profit.
          Israelis thank god for Holocaust, it gave them immunity against any criticism…(I’m an “Antisemitic” & a “Nazi” by some just for typing this).
          Celebrities are shallow and materialistic…who wants THAT! ($oC does).

          Jesus shared a cared like all humans, he was a legend but not a god.
          sharing doesn’t need a religion, religion needs MOAR SHARING!!

      • DangWang

        pirates already are considered terrorists.. Hitler is “Mafiaa”, “Jesus” is like TPB! and we don’t have celebrities we just make luv to’em :p

  • Tosser

    Within a decade, these guys will be in the American Colosseums being fed to lions.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      Rehabilitation from Idiocracy comes to mind…

  • Anon

    There’s nothing wrong with copying as a religion as long as law enforcement working on behalf of society is allowed to capture them and throw them to the lions.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Not surprised about this in all honesty. I didn’t ever think that file-sharing would be declared a ‘religion’ even if combined with other things.

    • Anonymous

      Jesus is well known for copying, sharing and being kind and helpful. What else would you call it following his example on the Internet? We copy files just like Jesus once copied loaves and fishes. All to meet a public need.

      The State should not interfere in Religion any more than Religion should interfere in the State. Or does the Government now tell us how to find God?

      • Azrael

        I assume the state would regard copyright laws as being within its remit to regulate. By your statement that means religion should not interfere?

        • Anonymous

          Sharing is human nature and backed up by religion and ethics.

          Freedom of religion is backed up by our highest laws. For example in the United States you have the first amendment… Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…

          So while Congress can make laws they cannot then use these laws to prohibit a religion or to block people exorcising a religious belief.

          For example both Voodoo and Wicca practice animal sacrifice. People slaughtering their animals has certainly caused some legal conflict. The supreme court though has ruled that this is their valid religion and therefore no law can stop them. Humane animal treatment is of course welcome.

          So if the Church of Kopimism does become an accepted religion then no law can block their beliefs to copy and share.

        • Ven

          @Violated0

          There are limitations on that, notable examples include Christian and Muslim extremists that believe in killing others. Your religious freedoms are supported as long as they do not infringe upon the freedoms of others – the reason for the separation of church and state.

          Currently, the creator’s right to distribute their copyrighted works would still trump religious file-sharing in the United States.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Ah, but Ven….. you should look at a lot of our laws and realize that they are just religious people pushing their personal likes and dislikes on other people through fiat of law, when those people are causing no physical harm to someone else without their permission (last three words are important there).

          So, “da law” at least in America doesn’t allow as much freedom as you would think.

        • Anonymous

          Religious beliefs that involve harming others are an obvious exception. No one who follows the mainstream religion would approve of extremist action and would point out that their religious text does not condone violence.

          For more accurate points of religion and law conflicts then you may recall how in France they banned Muslim women wearing the Abaya/Burqa in public. This is a direct attack on their Islamic beliefs and social values. Fortunately the head of the police stated that this is one law they will not uphold. It is not their place to interfere in their religious beliefs or to harass a peaceful member of the public simply for what they are wearing.

          Then in the United States there has certainly been legal and social conflict over the Mormons desire for polygamy. General society and Christian religions force the one man one woman view. The local police now leave the men alone with their X wives as long as the Mormons avoid the child bride aspect.

          I believe the conclusion is if you show strong religious beliefs and do not harm others then your religious beliefs will be respected by general society.

        • Ven

          @Christopher Kidwell

          I entirely agree that our laws have many imperfections, the result of the people who vote, lobby, and support them. But that doesn’t mean the goal of perfect law is lost, merely that it gets abused.

          @Violated0

          I agree. Now all that is left is to convince the world that file-sharing doesn’t hurt anyone. Religion in this case merely drags us through the sea of discussions that all obfuscate the real matter at hand.

      • Noah C.

        Pfft. Jesus CLONED those fish! xD

        • AnotherActivist

          P2P fish and bread :D

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

          cloning is just another form of copying, installing something is a form of copying, writing something is a form of copying, even SAYING something is a form of copying.

          you’re copying your thoughts and transmitting them through the air when you say it and anyone close enough can hear it, your thoughts won’t be removed from your brain and more than ONE other person can possibly hear them… computers use a different language than us, but why can’t they have the same rights as humans have? does hawking have the right to free speech? he isn’t talking, his computer-like thing does…

          I’m over-thinking it, I KNOW, but it’s the only way I can think…

        • Haxor

          @buglord in fact breeding is just copying or trying to mix twopeople genes togheter to form a new YOU and the OTHER….without there code you wont exist.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Did he use CloneCD or Alcohol 120% to burn the image though? I refuse to believe he used Daemontools.

      • Pilgrimman007

        Remember when Jesus fed the 5000? No one complained about “lost sales” of fish from Jesus’ copying of the original fish.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Well, if he’d done the same today we’d all be entertained by the news bulleting saying “Bearded freak found guilty of copyright Infringement. Bakers relieved at the news. In related articles, Vatican forecloses citing loss of leadership”.

      • spiral spirit

        WICCA does NoT practice animal sacrifice, not any branch of wicca. The religions that do, Santeria is one, for example, are usually among the larger loosley connected groups called Pagan. Wicca is also under the sort of generic name Pagan. Some Pagan groups may even call some of their practicioners Witches, which can make it really confusing, but wicca is a way of life that honors the Earth and all life within it. You don’t sacrifice what you honor.{it’s not uncommon to find wicca practicioners who are Vegetarian too.}
        Thanks for letting me try to explain!

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Well, given that the international church of the jedi managed to achieve sanction as an official religion in a number of countries, I see no grounds for dismissing “Kopimism” either.

      Though I would have recommended the kopimists to simply launch as a christian subsect and promoting the teachings of Jesus Christ instead – particularly adapting the “loaves and fishes” incident as the center.

  • Anonymous

    That is a shame but you do not need others to tell you what you are. So just form your church and anyone who rejects it are religion biased.

    For official recognition best start in the UK. You only need 1000 to state your religion on the governmental form to be officially recognised. Once one country accepts others should follow.

    • http://twitter.com/diss1 tom dissonance

      re: UK census. that’s not actually true at all.

      • Anonymous

        What do you mean?

        It is well known on the UK census that you only need 1000 confirmed followers to establish an official religion in the UK. It is a nice method that avoids bias no matter if your religion is Jedi or the invisible Spaghetti Monster.

        Making the Church of Kopimism an official religion here involves no state decision other than if they have 1000+ followers of not. The only down-side is that the next UK census is over 3 years away. Plenty of time to prepare at least.

        • noko

          I think you mean ten years away.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. So Scientology gets to be a religion, but kopimism not… I smell back-room politics.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      that’s because scientology is a commercial scam and kopimism isn’t, one is set on gathering money, the other is set to do good things…

      irl, evil is (nearly) always winning… at least Hitler had the balls to tell his people what he wanted…

      • Ven

        History defines evil as the belief system of the loser.

      • Ivanpowers

        Stealing my lifes’ work is “doing good things? How do you think the content of all these files you “share” come into being? How about you write a few hundred songs, come up with the money to record them, { not on a thousand dollar computer recording rig, but on a REAL RIG in a REAL ROOM with a REAL ENGINEER). You don’t think content has any value? This stuff just magically appears? How about I come to your house and just take what ever I want? I mean, you can just get another “copy”. Right?

        • Anonymous

          If you go to someone’s house and take their property, that is theft. Pure and simple. If however, you had some sort of magical device that let you make an exact copy of Buglord’s property without actually depriving Buglord of anything, then I suppose that’d be okay (depending on whether or not he lets you into his house in the first place). Because trespassing on private property is a crime. And if you just straight up broke in, well that would be breaking and entering, which is a slightly more serious crime than simple trespassing.

          We do get the point you’re trying to make. But you’re not doing a good job of it. I suggest you refine your arguments before you present them. Otherwise you come off as relatively angry. Like a child throwing a tantrum. You don’t want that, it’s beneath you. You can do better.

    • Anonymous

      It’s pretty surprising to me too that religion formed last week isn’t as valid as a religion started over 60 years ago.

  • Believer

    As a member of the church I hope that the leaders will not give up the cause to get registerd as a officiel religion in Sweden.

    To quote Rick Ashley “I will never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run away and desert you”!

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      I’m laid back about the whole thing.

      Except if the kopimists adapt the Rick Roll as a central tenet of faith in which case I vote we burn them all at the stake.

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  • http://twitter.com/Dreamreaver Dreamreaver

    I’d sign up for this religion any day.

  • http://twitter.com/Dreamreaver Dreamreaver

    I’d sign up for this religion any day.

    • http://twitter.com/Dreamreaver Dreamreaver

      …ugh, I hate accidental double-posts.

  • Guest

    If you don’t pay to someone you cannot have a religion…

  • Pride

    I never thought I’d say this, but congratulations to the anti-pirates in Sweeden. I’m all for filesharing, but trying to form a religion around it is just… I don’t even know what to say. It’s a blatant attempt to try and justify an action by forming a fake religion. Disrespectful and unhelpful. We should be trying to change the laws, not find ridiculous ways to avoid them.

    • Anonymous

      It’s a blatant attempt to try and justify an action by forming a fake religion

      Hmmm. I have heard atheists say the same about Christianity.

      All beliefs and counter beliefs.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      oh hey! where were you when religion started?
      and hey! where were you when wars started?
      and hey, kopimism is one of the most REAL religions out there…

      • Pride

        Oh yeah, it’s “REAL” because it stops us from having to actually work to change the status quo. Because, you know, actually convincing people we’re right and changing the laws might require some thought and effort. We might actually have to defend our beliefs in public. *GASP*. How horrible.

        I hereby start the church of “no laws”. The only tenant is that any church member can never be arrested or prosecuted for anything. We must be allowed to do whatever we please. It’s unholy for us to be restricted in any way, shape or form. I think I could get 1000 people to sign on to that.

        You want people to disrespect filesharing and think of us as immature and greedy pricks; this is a great start.

        • Ven

          I have to agree insomuch that pushing for religious status only hurts those who are trying for legal change in a world that for the most part doesn’t want said change.

          It may be a religion for a thousand people, but it’s a circus to billions.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          I somehow don’t agree. Kopimism is a philosophy just as valid as the “Christian principles” built from the sermon on the mount. It doesn’t carry the weight of a name like David Hume or Hegel, but it IS a philosophy.

          And at the end of the day, that’s basically religion.

        • Pride

          @Ven Thank you.

          @Scary Devil Monastery

          Philosophies aren’t necessarily religions. If you were an objectivist, that wouldn’t be a religion.

          It may be a valid philosophy, but to any outside observer, and to many actual filesharers, this just looks like an attempt to circumvent the law. If they want to be taken seriously, then they should act to change the laws, not avoid them.

          They aren’t earning us any points with ordinary people. Most people will look at this church and think “lawbreakers”. Many will also think that they’re being disrespectful to the established religions by trying to use religion as an excuse to break the law. It doesn’t really matter if the Koptics have different goals; that’s what the public will see, and their response will not be favorable to us. They’ll think we’re immature criminals, not intelligent individuals with legitimate and ethical complaints about the current system.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “Philosophies aren’t necessarily religions. If you were an objectivist, that wouldn’t be a religion.”

          Take just about any segment from the new testament and you’ll find hearty endorsements of what amounts to filesharing peppered throughout the book. In particular nearly everything credited to Christ.

          But I may have to amend my statement – imho it’s quite easy to make a case for Kopimism simply being a christian subsect. It’s by far less radical than roughly half the established independent churches in the US, for instance – and compared to scientology Kopimism actually has more of a spiritual foundation.

          You are dead on where the public’s reaction is concerned though. Not that this matters. Filesharing is heartily endorsed by a proportion of the public big enough to make for a national pastime in most western countries. It’s not going to go away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/per.wigren Per Wigren

    Our Torrent who art in The Cloud,
    Hallowed be thy Filename.
    Thy network come.

    Give us this day our daily pr0n
    and forgive us our leeching
    as we forgive those who leech from us.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      lol – absolutely brilliant. I love it – but would add one word (not necessarily keep it in Caps tho) -

      Our Torrent who art in The Cloud,
      Hallowed be thy Filename.
      Thy network come.

      Give us this day our daily pr0n
      and forgive us our CONSTANT leeching
      as we forgive those who leech from us.

      • Anonymous

        Some lines are missing so try this…

        Our Torrent who art in The Cloud,
        Hallowed be thy Filename.
        Thy network come.
        Thy transfer will be done.
        On wireless or fixed link connections.

        Give us this day our daily pr0n
        and forgive us our [CONSTANT] leeching
        as we forgive those who leech from us

        Only the end lines are now missing.

        • http://tuxie.wordpress.com Per Wigren

          And lead us not into botnets,
          but deliver us from RIAA.
          For thine is the network,
          and the seedbox,
          and the HTPC,
          for ever and ever.

  • Anonymous

    Filesharers religion must be worldwide ;)

  • Chris

    I like this because it brings up two problems: Legality of copying and special rights for religions. In Germany you may not kill an animal by letting it bleed to death because it is deemed cruel. Unless your religion wants you to do so. Surely other countries have similar exceptions. So let’s wait for the first one to say that religion doesn’t justify exceptions from laws. Either way, the world will become better, I hope. Less exceptions for religions or more freedom of copying.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      That’s as valid an argument as any I’ve seen. If 5% of the western world believes in kopimism in practice then that is a VERY large base to build a case from. Certainly better than the exceptions written for Mormons, scientologists or the Sikh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    We need to start this up in USA. and while you are at it add pot to the religion so we can all smoke in piece with our computer data god.

    • Anon

      “smoke in piece.”

      lol
      seriously.

    • Anon

      “smoke in piece.”

      lol
      seriously.

  • Ok
  • Anonymous

    Illuminati pyramid in their logo.

    • Anon

      yes, it’s a pyramid but is it associated with the illuminati? iunno

  • Username1

    Luke 6:30 “Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask [them] not again.”

    Luke 6:30 NIV “Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back.”

  • Phil Landry

    We could see this one coming. I just hope they won’t throw file-sharers to the lions…

  • Deathly_Demize

    Why turn to religion? you want to be like the heretics? What needs to be done is we turn and fight like the Americans do… With real firepower… They want to trespass on our land we kill them on site… they want to send others to harass and hassle us.. we blow them up with mines, they want to bring their laws into our region… we destroy their home region. The only way this will all end is if the heads of these groups are removed from existence.
    Keep that in mind.

    • http://www.facebook.com/per.wigren Per Wigren

      Say what?

    • Rainbow_unicorn

      Dood that’s just nutzzzzzzz….

    • J.Button

      …says the dude whose only achievement is killing monsters in video games.

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  • Anonymous

    As much as I might sympathise with their aims I can’t help thinking this is a good thing. We need to stop allowing religious affiliation being used as an excuse to not follow the law of the land, whether that is Christians wanting exemption from human rights legislation or other faiths similarly wanting special privileges and exemptions.
    There has to be a better way to do this without encouraging the religious in te idea that they are above the law, even when those laws are bad ones as in this case.
    Change the law on copyright instead.

    • http://www.facebook.com/per.wigren Per Wigren

      I agree with you, except that I think that the final “instead” should be “also”.

  • aminj

    Nice trolling :)

  • aminj

    Nice trolling :)

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  • Help

    I’m a Christian. Would God forgive if I convert… or can I have both?

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Read the sermon on the mount. If you follow Christian doctrine then, by fiat, you are also a kopimist.

      Admittedly you’ll be a very unorthodox Christian.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

    you can’t ASK to be a religion, they’ve tried that before but it has never worked, if you are a religion you ARE a religion, think Christianity was accepted as a religion? think the Protestant and Catholic just accepted each other? NO, protestants were against Catholics, that’s why they’re protestant, Christianity said YES to Jesus, the Jews said NO, that’s how (some of them) were created…

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      I became a fully paid-up Pastafarian when I bought the excellent T-shirts from the Church of the FSM -

      http://www.venganza.org/about/

      But I’ve no idea if we’re “officially recognised” in Sweden as a religion.
      But here in the 2011 UK census I entered “Church of the FSM” in my return as Religion – Other …

      So if these guys want to create Kopimism and have it officially recognised, then all power to then.

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  • bad idea from the start

    @violated your an idiot, Jesus shared what was his not what belonged to others. If he had a loaf of bread he would share it, he wouldn’t however take someone else bread and give it away.

    @buglord, your wrong do some research, anyone and everyone can ask to be a religion, scientology and jedi.

    http://www.jedichurch.org/

    http://www.jedichurch.org/

    • Anonymous

      Here’s a thought, before you call someone an idiot, make sure everything you say is spelled correctly and makes grammatical sense. What you meant to say was:

      “You’re an idiot. Jesus shared what was his, not what belonged to others. If he had a loaf of bread he would share it. He wouldn’t, however, take someone else’s bread and give it away.

      “You’re wrong. Do some research. Anyone and everyone can ask to be a religion. Scientology, Jedi, etc.”

      And those religions, aren’t asking. They’re religions and just trying to get a little acknowledgement. Even that Jedi church one’s site clearly shows they need numbers to get “official recognition”. (Now it doesn’t say that specifically on the page, the “official recognition” part. But they do need the numbers so it’ll be recognized, hence the census stuff.) Do YOUR research before you go off insulting others or state that they are wrong. Otherwise, YOU look like an idiot.

    • Anonymous

      violated your an idiot, Jesus shared what was his not what belonged to others. If he had a loaf of bread he would share it, he wouldn’t however take someone else bread and give it away

      Actually in the feeding of the 5000 the 5 loaves and 2 fishes are said to have belonged to a boy. Jesus asked his disciples how much food the group had and when they said “We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” then Jesus replied “Bring them here to me,”

      We can imagine that the boy was not too happy to have people take away his family’s food but he would have soon been happy to have helped feed everyone.

      So the relationship to file sharing is closer than you believe. Jesus took the food, copied it and distributed it and not his purchased food either.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      “…he wouldn’t however take someone else bread and give it away.”

      Neither does a filesharer as all he does is copy information you still possess.

      If we extrapolate the pro-copyright stance however, then what Jesus did is “steal” the money from the local fishermen and bakers as “lost sales”.
      The same applies to every other legend in which a religious figure copied food or goods én másse for his followers.

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  • Earthling

    this is probably about as sane as any other religion i have ever heard of.. no reason to deny them

  • Cloud breather

    The real insane act is to deny them the status of a religion. Can there be any proper reason for this, while there is something like scientology, christism, muslim, etc. ? I don’t think so…

    • Ven

      They are being rejected because their core belief (and they only have one: that all things should be shared) comes into conflict with human rights legislation.

      If you had a religion who’s one blanket belief is that you need to eat babies, you would not receive religious status.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      “They are being rejected because their core belief (and they only have one: that all things should be shared) comes into conflict with human rights legislation.”

      Well, no. You can argue to and fro as you like but the fact is that Christianity was constructed around a man who espoused something which can only be described as communism. Read the bible carefully and you’ll find that the prevailing view as described in the new testament is far more extreme than just “sharing”.

      And if you really want something in conflict with human rights legislation, take a look at the OLD testament where God sanctions everything from incest to babykilling, slavery and genocide.

      I’ll agree that their body of religious lore is thin but honestly, if you want set criteria for when a religion is “valid” to be accepted by the state then those criteria would have to be the same for everyone. According to your stated criticism that would invalidate all of the Abrahamic religions and most of the rest as well.

      Hell, under those criteria nearly everything but Sufism, some examples of buddhism and Zoroastrianism would have to go.

      • Ven

        There are some fairly severe differences between established religions and this:

        - They have no religious lore. Not a bit. They wrote a statement, are getting signatures and submitting it to their government. That is not a religion, it’s a petition. They have no standing body. In that regard, it fails to have recognizable evidence of being a religion.
        - They lack evidence of consistency. A belief system all about sharing freely should support some form of communistic community, if it is indeed a religion. It has not. There is no evidence that any of these people are willing to share everything they own.

        They aren’t taking their own cause seriously. If it is a religion, give it time to establish itself. Refusing official status to weed out the fads, scams, and folks trying to bypass laws is worth it.

        They aren’t being persecuted for their beliefs, only held responsible for infringing on the rights of others held under the current laws – a standard that all religions are required to abide by.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          That’s a good argument. If it weren’t for Scientology passing the bar…

          Still, I concur that they would have been far better off actually writing a solid foundation and a belief system. Kopimism could very easily be considered simply a unitarianism doctrine in which case having it pass as part of an already recognized religious belief should be easy.

          I believe the main problem to be that most politically active filesharers simply have too much common sense and intellectual integrity to shanghai or usurp a pre-existing religious dogma for their own usage.

          Imho Kopimism is a perfectly valid philosophy in itself and doesn’t need a status of “religion” at all. However I also see no reason why people shouldn’t be allowed to assign deep spiritual values to it either. Faith, as most religions have demonstrated amply, has no problem being secularized.

  • Haxor

    cause i dont worship holly wood for one , 2 i odnt worship my downloads sorry thats just as retarded as the CULT of scientology

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    What a bunch of clowns

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    They actually want to worship freeloading. Get a job guys.

    • AntiJacker

      Why? Jesus didn’t have one, nor did Buddha or Allah.
      Seems you can’t change the world if you hold down a 9 to 5.
      All hail the free bitstream! Lol.

      • J.Button

        Jesus, Buddha, Allah…they are all fake.

        • christ is real

          jesus is not fake…repent

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  • FuzzyDuck

    It was probably denied because a religion needs to have irrational elements. Since file sharing is not irrational that was the end of it.

    The MAFIAA shills could probably form a religion since they are obviously irrational. For instance they believe that every download is a lost sale and they believe that threatening music/movie fans is a good business model.

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      Oh on the contrary file sharing is constructed of irrational elements from the very core. You needn’t look any further than all the utterly brain dead, paranoid conspiracy theories that file sharers actually believe about how the us government is being paid off by the creative industry. Yeah, I would hate to be the one that tells file sharers that the Easter bunny isn’t real.

      They have an imaginary place (just like heaven) where they can go to dream up all manner of ideas that are devoid of reality.

      In their dream world, file sharers also believe that the collective avoidance of payment by tens of millions of people is having no effect at all on the copyright industry. File sharers prefer to remain blissfully ignorant about what their downloading is doing to other people. Much easier to stay in your bubble of self satisfaction I guess. They overlook the fact that what they download was created by someone else who invested their time and money in. It’s easy to surmise the file sharers have never created anything themselves, or certainly not something that they want to profit from.

      Beyond a doubt, there are plenty of irrational elements to declare file sharing a religion. They could have a religion based on only caring about yourself. Not quite sure how that would work but im sure they would be able to come up with something. Consider me impressed. Pirates have somehow managed to make themselves look even more lazy by submitting to the world that they should be able to worship their own laziness.

      Im not religious at all, but everyone who has devoted their life to a religion might take insult to this. A real religion is based on being self less. Committing yourself to a set of moral values and often helping others. File sharing couldn’t be any different. It’s about nothing more than living off the work of others.

      Oh and by the way, I don’t think EVERY download is a lost sale. Only that the fact that half the internet’s traffic being devoted to ripping off artists equals a hell of a lot of damages. Another fact that file sharers love to ignore is that the most downloaded films/games are almost always the ones with the best reviews and highest box office ratings

      • Xult

        You are not religous?
        You appear to be religously spouting garbage every time I see one of your posts.
        You believe the rightsholders are not paying governments?
        There is enough evidence to prove otherwise.
        The rightsholders themselves publicise this in their annual accounts.
        Get a job?
        Are you saying everyone who has a pro filesharing opinion is unemployed?
        Go back to suckling mommys breasts you baby.
        All types of things are being shared.
        One of the most successful new businesses is VODO.
        Who have used the concept of donations to fund their productions.
        What about Linux?
        Copy and Paste.
        Jesus showed us the way.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          So by, your logic file sharers are religious too, because they religiously spout the same “garbage” in all their posts (right to free things). Im sorry, terrible logic you’ve got there. -_-

          Governments don’t stick up for rights holders because they are being paid. They do it because filesharers are damaging the economy. See, filesharers don’t understand the first thing about an economy. All they know is how to click their little download buttons. It never occurred to them how paying for a product fits into the big picture.

          “Get a job?
          Are you saying everyone who has a pro filesharing opinion is unemployed?”
          Well why else would they have so little appreciation for hard work of the artists’ whose work they download without a second though? Why else would they be scared of going to a store that they insist on sitting in their houses and downloading everything their heart desires? Self sacrifice (what a job entails) kind of runs contrary to the whole idea of file sharing. With file sharing, you get everything you want without giving back anything. With a job, you have to put in work to get money. Once someone knows what it is to invest time in something, i doubt they would so readily dismiss the efforts of others.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          As for vodo, wow, you are really dumb. Has it occurred to you that the directors intended their movies to be given away for free? They had some other way of financing their endeavors. I doubt those films are particularly high budget either. Just because it worked for a few indie directors, doesn’t mean it would work for everyone. Optional payment is not a sustainable, mainstream business model. A studio can’t commit 50 million to a movie in the hopes that maybe the production fees will be compensated.

          Would you open a business if there was only a 50% chance that your customers would pay back the costs of operating said business?

          I would suggest you use a few brain cells before mouthing off next time.

        • FuzzyDuck

          > A studio can’t commit 50 million to a movie in the hopes that maybe the production fees will be compensated.

          Really? They do that all the time. There’s no guarantee that any investment (in any industry) will ever make a return as you can’t force people to buy.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “Well why else would they have so little appreciation for hard work of the artists’ whose work they download without a second though?”

          Because after sitting through 8 hours of fact-finding and analysis the very last thing I can be bothered to do is take an hour out of my spare time to walk down to a store when the same can be accomplished in five minutes. And without the risk of me getting a root kit along with the file to boot.

          Not to mention that what i get from TPB won’t lock up my DVD player for ten minutes worth of garbage, legal warnings and commercials that i can’t fast forward through.

          As an employed man with a decent salary I know to the penny what my time is worth and when the “cost” of purchasing a CD exceeds the actual purchase cost in cash then that’s where i go for option B.

          Option C doesn’t even exist as I had to spend three days removing the last traces of the bug-riddled crap the online store had the gall to call a “Download manager” from the registry after it screwed my system over.

          When the commercial option costs more time, provides lower quality goods, and costs a lot more in both effort and money, that’s when filesharing starts looking like the only alternative.

          This may come as a surprise to you but I’ve had my hands on most of the laptops in the local office and I can say it appears as if over half of the employees at exec level tote filesharing software.

          So be real careful about those assumptions of yours. Most of the more serious pirates I know are not only employed but carry high salaries due to their recognized high skillsets in everything from IT to Finance and Sales.

      • FuzzyDuck

        The most downloaded thing on the Internet isn’t a movie or music album. It’s a piece of software called Firefox. It’s followed not by a movie or music album, but by other free software, such as Chrome, Linux distributions, OpenOffice or LibreOffice, etc…

        You know what is funny? Nobody is paying for these downloads.

        And you know what else is funny? It doesn’t do any damage to the people who make that software, you know those who invested their time and money to make it. Quite the contrary, they would be unhappy if you /didn’t/ download it.

        That probably doesn’t fit in your narrow world model, so you just ignore it.

        However this disproves your main assumptions: that nothing good can be made if it isn’t paid for directly, and that the only workable business model is direct payment.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        You fulfill every criteria of a religious fanatic that I can think of. Up to and including some rather irrational beliefs that person A sending person B a copy of item C is a catastrophe rivalling drug dealing and bank robberies – or at least when we look at your oft stated beliefs that any of these days the almighty federales will come on down toting magical crystal balls capable of beating filesharing without some truly massive civil rights violations.

        Noncommercial uses of Copyright has no place in an age where mass communication is tacit fact. Learn to live with this.

        Any industry relying on distribution of information will, by necessity, face the same music as the blacksmiths in the industrial revolution and the stagecoach after the invention of the automobile. Providing artificial respiration to such a business model is as doomed to failure as the lending procedure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

        • Ivanpowers

          Say what you want.. You can’t get around the fact that listening to our musical works or watching the films we produce, or reading the books we write ,WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT is unethical at best, and as far as I’m concerned, a crime.. Telling me to get over people stealing from me makes you an asshole. Period..

          Nothing ever matters.. There’s no value in anything. Nothing is ever your problem. You didn’t “do” anything, you just down loaded a file..

          I don’t doubt you have a job.. Lots and lots of people have jobs, and still can’t think their way out of a wet paper bag.. This comes down to YOU being a “LOW QUALITY” person.. Period..

          Have a below average day..;

        • Anonymous

          @ Ivanpowers

          You’ve obviously never heard of television or radio. Or Pandora. Or Youtube. Or libraries. People don’t pay for any of those things. Guess what we get from them? Music, films, shows, books, etc. WITHOUT PAYING FOR THEM.

          Thinking you deserve to get paid just because you created something makes you an asshole. Just because you create something DOES NOT guarantee you will be a success and make money from it. You have a right to having your copyrighted/patented creations protected. But there is no guarantee you’ll make money from it.

          You speak, as if you’ve been personally stolen from. But I’ve never heard of any music or film or anything created by an “Ivanpowers” or an “Ivan Powers” or any variation thereof. All we have is your word that you’re being stolen from.

          And regardless of what you think, file sharing is not a crime everywhere. So you can throw your temper tantrum and b*tch all you want, but you aren’t in charge of any country. You don’t make any laws. You can’t enforce any laws. Etc. So you can just get the f*ck over it. What you think or believe matters very little to nothing at all.

          Also, yeah most people have jobs. And most people tend to be sheeple. Easy to get to believe what you want, people who do as they’re told, etc. But as is evident, most of the people on this site do not fall into that grouping. Most people here are independent thinkers and obviously are more informed about the issues (in regards to copyright and file sharing at least) than the average person. Which means they can think their way out of a paper bag.

          Your argument, however, loses all credibility when you resort to calling people asshole or a low quality person. You see, you try and claim the moral high ground and then you use words/phrases like that and pretty much shoot yourself in the foot. What it comes down to is be logical and reasonable and respectful, even if the people you talk to aren’t. If you want people to care about what you have to say act like an adult.

          As I’ve pointed out a few times in the past few days, “artists” (and I’m lumping you in that category, despite the fact that I personally seriously doubt you are an artist of any kind at all) feel this huge entitlement. “I created something, I should be famous and rich and wre wre wre.” That’s not the case. You assume people are stealing from you. Do you have any proof they are? Or perhaps, and as is more likely, did you just fail in your artistic venture? And rather than admit your own personal shortcomings (such as having little to no talent, jumping into an already over saturated market depending on what you produce, having no business sense, etc.) you decide to take the easy way out (and perhaps better said, the more cowardly way out) and blame others for your failure. Man up. Accept responsibility for your own failures/successes. Learn from them. Otherwise, it’ll just happen again. And blaming others is a real a$$hole move. Period.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Ivanpowers

          “Telling me to get over people stealing from me makes you an asshole. Period..”

          I seriously doubt I have ever downloaded any creation you had anything to do with, so you calling me a thief isn’t just erronous but most likely just guilt-by-association.

          Then again since you seem to think that the fact that someone is downloading material you have created gives you moral grounds for defending circumventing MY civic rights then you and your opinion in my eyes exist only for the purpose of being ignored or trampled.

          I’ll give you a hint. If i after listening to an artist decide i like the works of that artist then i usually buy a CD. If not for me then as a handy birthday gift to friends or family. That applies whether i heard the music from the radio or from a downloaded mp3.

          However i do make exceptions for every lame prick who dares calling me a thief because someone might or might not have shared their music with others. as a general rule those artists all end up on my personal blacklist and i neither download nor buy their works. Idiots like that aren’t worth even my eyeball time.

          And no, my job involves being able to think around the problems too complex for everyone else to solve. I’m the one taking paper bags off everyone elses heads.

          Unfortunately there’s crap-all I can do about people who insist on keeping their own heads wedged up their rear entrance – such as you. I can only recommend a prompt visit to your neighbourhood proctologist.

      • Trespass

        “You needn’t look any further than all the utterly brain dead, paranoid conspiracy theories that file sharers actually believe about how the us government is being paid off by the creative industry. Yeah, I would hate to be the one that tells file sharers that the Easter bunny isn’t real.”

        I feel sorry for you, Jack. You really believe that our government is inherently good and that they have the best interests of the people in mind? You really trust what is said on CNN, or god forbid Fox news? I’m sure then you believe the governments explanation for 9/11. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but that report was the biggest bunch of crap ever produced. If the answer to the above is yes, then, I have bad news, “About the Easter Bunny…..”

    • Haxor

      um thats called the cult of Scientology btw look how many from hollywood are aprt of it….

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  • AnarchyNow

    Religion is a psychosis, humanity has ZERO change of survival while religion still persists.
    Jesus never existed, god doesn’t exist (gode in french means dildo btw…), muhammad was the hitler of his time

    So it’s rather a good news that they denied another stupid hypocritical sect.

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  • James Plotkin

    I can’t believe I’m actually going to give an analysis of this…it’s just so damn funny!

    In Canada, the freedom of religion is a subjective freedom meaning you don’t need to show proof of any dogma or rituals that are practiced by others. All that is important is that the practice is subjectively meaningful to the practitioner. This is why we never ask for expert testimony on a freedom of religion issue, the matter is purely personal and courts are not supposed to make objective judgements about peoples subjective beliefes (the same way judges aren’t supposed to make objective decisions on the artistic nature of a copyright protected piece)

    That being said, all freedoms in the Canadian charter are tempered by the first section of the charter that says that the rights to follow may be exercised in a manner consistent with a free and democratic society. In plain English, that means that we have to balance the interest of the individual with the objectives of the state to pursue valid goals (eg. though it may infringe your religious right to not be allowed to smoke marijuana, the Supreme Court of Canada has decided that the interests of public safety and the other interests the state is trying to promote in criminalizing this activity passes a constitutional test allowing the government to infringe on your freedom.

    I would think that if this ever came up in Canada, the court would have to decide what is more important: an individuals right to practice the religion of file sharing or the economic regime we call copyright.

    …Ok…I can’t be serious anymore…BAHAHAHAHAHAHA…file sharing religion….hahahahahaha

  • James Plotkin

    I can’t believe I’m actually going to give an analysis of this…it’s just so damn funny!

    In Canada, the freedom of religion is a subjective freedom meaning you don’t need to show proof of any dogma or rituals that are practiced by others. All that is important is that the practice is subjectively meaningful to the practitioner. This is why we never ask for expert testimony on a freedom of religion issue, the matter is purely personal and courts are not supposed to make objective judgements about peoples subjective beliefes (the same way judges aren’t supposed to make objective decisions on the artistic nature of a copyright protected piece)

    That being said, all freedoms in the Canadian charter are tempered by the first section of the charter that says that the rights to follow may be exercised in a manner consistent with a free and democratic society. In plain English, that means that we have to balance the interest of the individual with the objectives of the state to pursue valid goals (eg. though it may infringe your religious right to not be allowed to smoke marijuana, the Supreme Court of Canada has decided that the interests of public safety and the other interests the state is trying to promote in criminalizing this activity passes a constitutional test allowing the government to infringe on your freedom.

    I would think that if this ever came up in Canada, the court would have to decide what is more important: an individuals right to practice the religion of file sharing or the economic regime we call copyright.

    …Ok…I can’t be serious anymore…BAHAHAHAHAHAHA…file sharing religion….hahahahahaha

  • Harpalos

    Being a member of a religious group do not give you the right to ignore the law of your country. That’s not the point of founding this religion, and copyright laws should not be an argument used against it.

    Most of the people who share suffer the risk of being identified, arrested, ruined… Don’t you read the news ? Why do they to do it if not by BELIEF ?

    Kopimism is a solid religion, with a potential capacity to change the world. For whoever implicated in the sharing communauty, it is most likely their strongest belief.

    • Magnuspetersson72

      And what about muslims who are allowed to commit animal cruelty while non-muslims arent huh? Ever heard of Halal slaughter?

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  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    I’ve converted myself to the ways of the Kopimi. Amen.

    Oh wait, I’ve been sharing since about 1990 when I first got my 9600 modem. Anyways… AMEN!!

  • Anonymous

    lol funny how come people make up religions these days

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  • Ajthenutter

    well in the uk jeddi is an officially recognised religion (4th biggest in the UK!) becasue engough people stated it as their religion on the census form… which for everone who isnt in the uk, the census form is an ‘anaminous’ form to do with the health system that we have to fill in for the governement, who knows if we have or havent done it :/ and asks questions compleately unrealated to health, e.g. how many cars do you have?, and what religion are you?…
    basically if enough people state it as a religion in the UK it becomes officually recognised as a religion!
    as is the case here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

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  • Che

    smh.. sorry, but this is just stupid…

  • Croakus

    Good. Glad to hear some sanity from Sweden today!

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    Viva Raptor-Hackin-Jesus

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