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File-Sharing Prospers Despite Tougher Laws

New and tougher laws are always on the agendas of rightsholders. They tend to believe that through legislative change and the strict application of law the habits of millions of file-sharers can be changed. But a new survey of 15 to 25 year-olds shows that despite the threats, file-sharing levels remain stable because those carrying it out feel they are doing nothing wrong.

Most probably due to Sweden’s historic connections with The Pirate Bay, many Swedes consider file-sharing to be an activity deeply embedded in popular culture.

Determined to break the plundering habits of these misguided souls, the US movie and recording industries have continuously meddled in the country, lobbying for tougher responses to file-sharing.

The results have been notable, not least the implementation of IPRED and the Data Retention Directive plus numerous prosecutions of file-sharing site operators and their users. But do tougher laws actually encourage people “to do the right thing” or even change their perception of what that thing is?

According to new findings from the Cybernorms research project at Lund University, the introduction of aggressive legislation has done little to reduce levels of file-sharing carried out by young people.

“In Sweden we saw a moderate drop in file sharing in 2009 when IPRED was implemented. Since then it has remained at approximately 60 percent among 15-25 year old people,” researcher Marcin de Kaminski told TorrentFreak.

“Our conclusion is that repressive actions that lack societal support may still have effects, but that the effects are limited.”

The problem for the copyright industries is that while they’ve been very effective in lobbying for more legal restrictions, they have failed to make ground in matching those frameworks with what people consider to be acceptable behavior.

“As a part of our research regarding cybernorms we try to understand and
describe informal social control,” says Kaminski.

“Our results show that young people feel no pressure from neighbors, friends, relatives, teachers etc. to refrain from file sharing. A higher degree of pressure or social control would most possibly have a clear impact on habits and practices regarding file sharing.”

Essentially, file-sharers do not believe they are doing anything wrong and while this remains the case the ‘problem’ is unlikely to go away. Kaminski told us that the research shows a slight increase in young people who file share on a daily basis, from 18% in September 2009 to 20% in January 2012. Additionally, more file-sharers are turning to anonymity services to hide their activities.

“File sharing is an interesting case illustrating the fact that repressive sanctions alone might have some effects on illegal practices, but that the effects first and foremost seem to be limited and secondly might be for the wrong reasons.

“Without support for repressive efforts in social norms the effects tend to result in a feeling of increased risk or danger – rather than [the activity being repressed] actually being considered wrong,” Kaminski concludes.

That said, tougher laws don’t leave file-sharers entirely untouched. But instead of stopping their behavior, they take measures to hide it. Previously, researchers from the Cyber Norms found that when compared to figures from late 2009, 40% more 15 to 25-year-olds are now hiding their activities online through VPN services.

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  • Danny

    Yep, it works just like prohibition in the US stopped everyone from drinking….

    • Flash

       or like the “successful” war on Cannabis in Europe and the US… instead of making it possible for people to consume CLEAN cannabis and getting tax for the health system like in the Netherlands…. youth turn now to ethnobotanics or chemically altered drug molecules that they can order legally via internet and where there is NO EXPERIENCE what these substances do…if they are mutagenic, carciogenic, will destory our gene pool….

      • Deejaypee

         stoners generally want to eat, not fuck

        • 3c905b-tx

          which is the point.

        • Danny

          Most people procreate at some point in their life.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Dube/1178206657 Dakota Dube

           in general I think a huge milestone in anyone’s life is getting laid, combine that with synth cannabis and bring on the mutant babies.

      • Andrew Lee

         Yeah some of the shit kids are trying now is very dangerous. Especially them bath salts which make people lose their mind. You would be better of to get hooked on heroin or crack or meth or pcp or mdma or lsd or benzos since it’s much safer lol.

        I’ve done em all minus pcp and when it comes to the speed area no I did not use a lot. It’s more like a New Years party every year or two. Now I do know the full effects of the opiate side very well. Still some of that shit the kids are trying I wouldn’t touch with a 20 foot pole. Well I don’t really go around drugs period anymore.

        Maybe in a couple more years I’ll feel normal again lol. Not really sure though it’s been almost 3 years.

      • MmM

        or like invasions and killing inocent people stopped “terorism ” , or like ….x100000 VERY WRONG rules who makes some people very rich , who makes other people to feel pain and die who dont have a real positive results , all of these shit dont work…drugs , prostitution, wars , violence , crimes , guns , all sick things etc = money , lot of money , all will exist as long greedy , stupid and primitive humans will exist , if you look around you will understand all of that will be forever

        “The fact is pretty much everyone is ingrained from day one by their
        parents to share, as that is what society expects ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
        Caring sharing people is what society wants. Trying to change that it
        trying to change society. Who is going to raise their child to be
        selfish? ”

        Well , actual society isnt a society in fact it is just a new form of jungle , a bunch of selfish and individualists who fight against everyone , everyone it is in competition with everyone to get money more money , a job , a house , a car , more cars , more and more and more everytime , greedy is is the key doesnt matter if that mean destroy or killing someone directly or indirectly (think about stres diseases ,  heart attacks , about polution genarated when a thing is produced , when you use electricity or other “advanced” things – all is produced using lot resources and generate lot polution who ironicaly killing everyone little by little but day by day so in fact “society” humans commit suicide and destruct nature in the same time  but seems people are very blind and stupid to observe that  or maybe are obssesed addicted to get  that drug – money , seems slaves of money society and cant think and stop ) – unfortunetly for everyone , becouse everyone it is responsable in some way , that it is a sick society damned to distruction

      • Anonymous

        you must see this http://www.year13.com.au/????????

    • Barack Ochama

       And porn can be addictive too.

      Swedes are nice people.  They like to share.  I have an idea.  They should try sneaker net sharing community.  People pay $1.00 to join a friendly community.  Then use this money to buy DVD.  Then pass around the DVD by exchange with the price of the DVD so it is legal.

    • Don’t share that toy!

      The fact is pretty much everyone is ingrained from day one by their parents to share, as that is what society expects ALL AROUND THE WORLD. Caring sharing people is what society wants. Trying to change that it trying to change society. Who is going to raise their child to be selfish?

      I imagine that play time for the kids of the RIAA/MPAA etc execs is interesting, when the child of Chris Dodd for example attempts to allow little Timmy from next door to play with any of his toys when their parents visit. Does Chris Dodd jump up and scream at little Timmy and his own kid, that Little Timmy should have brought his own toys and that his child and Little Timmy are now responsible for 1,000′s of people losing their jobs over him sharing his toys (Even though the Toy company has already sent the jobs off shore for greater profits). Does he then call the various Toy company lawyers and arrange for them to sue himself for 100′s of 1,000′s of dollars over the market value of the products because of it?

      Of course not, because he cannot be a total dick.

      Lets jump ahead a bit to the age of the VHS and cassette tape. What did people do for years? They recorded TV shows and movies off TV to watch at a time that suited them. Similar to tapes with songs of the radio, or from a friends tape. People lent VHS and mix tapes to their friends and other family members, they watched, or copied them and returned them. People still bought music and blank tapes.

      The rise of napster through to current Bittorrent and direct downloads is simply a more modern version of exactly the same principles. The only difference is in the technology that allows it to happen faster, with more convenience and with a greater selection from around the world and without all of the messy CD’sa nd tapes to get lost.

      Now lets look at the “lost sale” issue. Back in the VHS and Tape days, they were not considered lost sales, as generally you could not buy the VHS tapes. Recorded music sales were generally dependent upon the pocket money of teenagers, which didn’t use to be that much! More of them purchased blank VHS and cassette tapes (much like hard drives) to reuse numerous times.

      Hands up, who’s parents never recorded a TV program (In my case I had to do it for them, as they couldn’t work the VCR), or had blank tapes with music on them in the car? I am pretty sure it was most of us. Heck, I wonder if Chris Dodd ever had a VCR in his house as a kid. I bet he did and it wasn’t just for home movies.

      What has changed in the intervening years? It is simple, the movie and recording studios have suddenly figured out how much extra money they could make on their back catalogs after everyone switched from vinyl to CD and once they started selling cheaper movies on VHS, Laser Disc, DVD and now Bluray and they don’t want the golden goose to ever stop.

      But, what is competing for the same entertainment dollar and time? A massive rise in computers, games, software and many other forms of entertainment (paintball, karting, karate, etc etc).

      The market is so flooded with choice, that nobody values any of it as much these days. All these back catalogs should be out there for free! The studios have made their money so many times over on format shifting. All the costs have long ago been written off against taxes and these days all the revenue is hidden off shore so the studios makes losses and pay minimal tax (forcing up VAT and income taxes on society because they are poor corporate citizens) 

      Star Wars – Return of the Jedi never made a profit
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110912/13500315912/hollywood-accounting-darth-vader-not-getting-paid-because-return-jedi-still-isnt-profitable.shtml

      Or Harry Potter making a $167 million loss after $938 million in takings
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100708/02510310122.shtml

      And a range of other movies
      http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/8d4cb800-4064-11e0-9140-00144feabdc0.html

      So this comes back to the expectations of society. Try and make it illegal, but when it is conditioned into society to share and care, then people are pretty much going to ignore any laws that conflict with that. Also tack on that most people think you are immoral, means your industries generally disgust us.

      After all, who wants to be a total dick and scream at kids for trying to share toys when they are 3 years old? Obviously the RIAA/MPAA cronies, but does society really care about file sharing? Actually they do, but in a positive manner.

      Heck, even chimpanzees share and sharing was once thought by scientists as a characteristic of human behaviour. Does that make the RIAA/MPAA members non human? Going by how they do not share their fat profits with the tax man, or other people in on profit sharing contracts it appears not.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/111201094819.htm

      http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228423.200-chimp-markets-reveal-evolution-of-friendship.html

      • Jason

        YES SIR! I think you hit the nail square on the head with your first statement. (Light bulb ON)

        That is probably the best explanation of the filesharing Phenom I have ever herd.

      • Moniker6

        These RIAA/MPAA , trolls corporations are non humans becouse they lost humanity , i can bet they dont know what that mean , i can bet they dont know history, sociology , i can bet they dont know nothing about REAL life , i can bet they know just bullshid manipulation propaganda form books writed by stupid and braiwashed people , i can bet they are incapabile to understand words like share ,care, help others , peace , becouse in their brains something it is sick becouse they are addicted to drug – money (maybe the most distructive becouse that  and destroy lifes and killing million people evey year – they are just victims of the system )  , all what they see , all what they want it is your fuckin MONEY , POWER , money for bribes , lobbyists ,lawyers ,  for making more money to get  power for enslave more others people

        Why these parasites dont get a REAL JOB , with normal payment and after speak about life , about sharing , about everything  ? I can bet they dont live and dont know whats reality

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Dube/1178206657 Dakota Dube

        You win all the internets sir.

    • http://twitter.com/AndersonGary1 AndersonGary

      as Judith implied I’m alarmed that any body can earn $8993 in a few weeks on the computer. did you read this site link  (Click on menu Home more information)  http://goo.gl/KWt7e   

  • Anonymous

    I find a social difference now. You sort of don’t talk about it unless asked. Also I remember people being pumped about Napster. Now when someone is looking for an album and they cant find it on itunes or whatever they use I will point them in “right direction” and at times I get grief for it. These people are typically what you would call hipsters. I don’t know if that affects things.

    • Anyone

      these people are what you would call not friend-material

      • interesting

        And gullible. (They believe the propaganda without asking questions)
        Gullible people are useful to keep around. …mauu haaa ha haa ha

        @AJH:disqus
        PROTIP: Use your new found power to control them.
        Bonus points if you get them to join a cult that isn’t Apple.

    • Anonymous

       It is not at all like that here: people freely share files and talk about it in the Netherlands. There is a sort of notion that it’s better to buy the official stuff if you can find it, but nobody is judgmental about downloading it, and the great majority do it without qualms. There is a widely shared sentiment, though, that it would be less moral if films were made available better and sold at a decent price (like € 2).

  • Cake-lover

    I torrent videos and upload them to youtube, does that make me a bad person? Not in my book it does not.

    • radioman

      torrent bible ;} love it

  • Grimreefer

    yes, just like US drug laws stop everyone from smoking pot. *cough* *cough*

    • Anonymous

       Pass it over here. :D

  • Anonymous

    I really wish the MPAA, RIAA, and all of their associates would invest the same amount of money they spend on lawsuits in delivering a workable platform that allows me to share content that I buy across multiple platforms and OS’s. I mean, really, that’s 50% of the reason I file-share. The rest has to do with BitTorrent being fast and reliable, and pricing issues (Avengers was worth a $15 movie ticket; Lockdown was absolutely not).

    But I guess after fifteen years, reasonability is still too much to ask for.

  • Carl

    Off-topic, but maybe not:
    The spokesman for Sweden’s “liberal” People’s Party is arguing that VPN anonymizing services should be banned:
    http://www.friatider.se/folkpartiet-oppnar-for-krypteringsforbud

    The fact that  VPN services aren’t for now subject to the data retention law are being noticed by those in power.
    The data retention law which the Social Democrats and government passed in March obligates the net service providers to store the customers’ IP addresses for six months.

    The purpose of the law is aiding the police in tracking individuals for crimes such as agitation against groups (hate speech).

    However, for now several tunneling services like Tor and Aninone provides anonymous web surfing.

    Therefore the People’s Party is considering a ban on these services.

    ‘We can’t deny it. Encryption is good, but the question is whether it should be allowed  when accessing the telephone service.

    I ddon’t say that we ought to legislate now, but we must follow the development closely.’ said Johan Pehrson.
     Codeword for we can’t ban it now, but wait a few years and we do it anyway.
     

    • Phantom of The Opera

      Fear not.
      I am allowed to hint that soon there will be a file-sharing platform, which provides the speed of dedicated servers, is anonymous, distributed, reliable, un-hackable and is completely untraceable. Furthermore, it is a simple web browser on your computer, which will give rise to P2P domain names and regular internet pages, besides usual file-sharing capabilities.
      ETA: September-October

      • 3c905b-tx

        cp heaven much?

        • Anonymous

          We already know, don’t we?

          Cybernorms estimated that 2006 there were 20,000 people/entities using encryption in sweden.
          2009, after IPRED and the military electronic surveillance law (FRA) that number was estimated at 400,000.

          In their latest study 2012 the number is now estimated at 700,000. Roughly 10% of swedes use anonymization and encryption already. In a mere 6 years. And as time has gone by automated methods and prepackaged anonymization browser bundles and filesharing clients have gone out at increasingly faster rates.

          The internet is turning into a darknet. And it’s happening VERY fast.

      • Anonymous

         I was right up there with you until you said “un-hackable”. Still, I’m curious to see it. Let us know when it hits the nets for sure.

        • Phantom of The Opera

          “Un-hackable” in the sense that it has DDoS protection capabilities.

          If someone runs a vulnerable server code on their machine, it can still be exploited, but it will still impossible to deduce connection sources and end-users.
          Security of services built atop the framework depend solely on their own code,but there might be buffer-overflow protection capabilities.

        • Guest

          @Phantom of The Opera, DDoS protection is PROTECTION but doesn’t make it *impossible* to DDoS. Either way, DDoSing isn’t a hack, it’s an attack.How do you protect yourself from port exploits, script exploits etc? I hope you’ve got a good coder making things secure :)

      • Anon1

        It’s about time that shit shows up. I eagerly await.

      • Guest

        Sounds like you’re describing noobroom.com which was spammed on Torrentfreak a few weeks ago (when I say spammed… I mean the good kind :P) uses a simply homepage with an IP address to a server which lets you access the website … then stream movies from multiple servers all over the world. I think it’s a beautiful website <3

        Will it be like this or what?

    • 3c905b-tx

      and i thought sweden was such a nice place. hmmm.

    • Anonymous

      The “liberal” people’s party has, for twenty years apparently taken a leaf from the book of the “People’s Party of China”.

      When the data retention directive was up for a vote some people asked Mr. Persson if it was truly liberal to implement general surveillance of all traffic data (turning every mobile phone into a government tracking device). As that last step ensured Sweden had surveillance of it’s citizenry which even the DDR couldn’t boast.

      His answer was that as long as the state was “good” he didn’t see a problem. This is more or less endemic. Johan Persson has been given the nickname nightstick-Persson for his frequent attempts to expand the methods usable by police for even petty crimes. So far he’s managed to ensure the police no longer need “probable cause” in order to haul off any given citizen for strip searching and forced drug testing, for example. A great boon for the not-so-few bully boys who joined the police because they loved the idea of the uniform. And already frequently abused. When 16 year old girls are forced to strip in an interrogation room with the male part of the police station leering on the other side of the glass doors, you know something has gone wrong.

      I really hope he tries to push a ban on VPN’s and encryption. Once online banking dies, maybe people will wake up.

      • Techanon

        “His answer was that as long as the state was “good” he didn’t see a problem.”
        lol, and who or what ensures that the government (or state) doesn’t become “bad”?
        Nazi Germany is the prime example of a democratic government becoming “bad”.

        • Anonymous

          Indeed. Johan Persson is the very definition of what happens when a closet fascist embraces orwellian doublespeak.

          Another stunt he performed is when he suggested a law enabling police to subject juveniles to forced drug testing without the permission of the parents without probable cause. I.e. more or less have the police walk into a school and start hauling children off at random for forced blood tests.

          When “lagrådet” – the government’s expert commission on legal issues – objected very strongly to this, he suggested that this worthy council of wizened legal experts were all “drug liberals”.

          His view of “liberalism” is that the citizenry can only be “free” when everyone has had the ability of doing “wrong” removed. Enforced by any means necessary…

          In my opinion he is the most dangerous man to “democracy” as a whole in the entire nation. and that includes counting the politicians from the actual extremist nationalist party.

    • Anonymous

      Our answer needs to be to watch Mr. Pehrson closely until he shits out his ugly little package and then burn his political knickers to a cinder…..

  • Luckyd2039

    Yup, Just like the Anti-Gun laws work. 

    • Netgrazer

      Which they actually do, because normal people don’t like to kill. People like to watch movies and listen to music, though.

      Nice try, though.

      • Netgrazer

        I just realised that this may not work in countries like the US or Afghanistan. But in europe, people in general don’t feel like their rights are being violated just because they can’t walk around town packin’ heat. This is in correlation with the number of gun-related deaths around here, as compared to the wild west.

        So for us, anti-gun laws work just fine. Anti-piracy laws – not so much :)

  • Flash

    It is nothing bad on filesharing. If you say so you would also say it is OK to sue my neighbour for giving me his newspaper after he read it… that’s THEFT I suppose?????

  • Anon

    Anyone in the UK has probably seen the very laughable ‘Knock off Nigel’ campaign – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-off_Nigel. Which tried to create some sort of societal stigma associated with file sharing. It’s an absolute joke.

    We are doing nothing wrong, it’s simply sharing! No matter how many campaigns, no matter how many people you sue, no matter how many sites you close or block, filesharing will always remain.

    A big fuck you goes out to FACT, MPAA, RIAA and all those other fatcat nazis.

  • Anonymous

    no one else apart from those old farts in the entertainment industries ‘outdated’ dept think there is anything wrong either. if instead of trying to keep 110% control of their stuff, who has it, how they have it, what they can do with it and for how long, they were to join the rest of us in the present day, they would see the advantages of modern progress. as it is, all they see is what they want and how things ‘used to be, back in the day’. quite sad and pathetic, really, if it weren’t for the adverse effects their attitudes are having on society and how they are forcing into law a punishment that has, until now, been reserved for the most despicable of crimes, the taking of another’s life!!

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    I shared culture since long ago, I share it now and I will continue to share. Sharing is caring. Nuff, said ^_^

  • 3c905b-tx

    dang.

  • Master

    Sharing is caring.

  • anonymous

    Copyright holders approach file sharing from the wrong perspective altogether.  The operative word is “share.”  People share what they love and are enthusiastic about.  Punitive approaches will never work in this environment and will only turn people against media that they formerly supported. 

  • Anonymous

    lol, silly laws are for honest people lol. Too funny.
    Privacy-Software.tk 

  • Youth hates authority figures

    And the likes of Nazi style big bully boy cases such as this:
     http://torrentfreak.com/supreme-court-refuses-675000-file-sharing-case-120521/#comments

    only inflame the youth even more.

    Hi, we’re the MPAA and RIAA and we have been shafting artists for donkeys years. In fact, we even managed to get away with not paying royalties for close to 30 years to Canadian artists and when we did get caught out for selling hundreds of thousands of songs for profit, our fine was a minor slap on the wrist at $166 per song, even though we made hundreds of millions more from it. But this little Joel shit, well he crossed the line and had to be made an example to the tune of many madness of dollars per song, because he made the cardinal rule of not sharing for profit.

    http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-infringing-record-labels-settle-for-50m-110531/

    So maybe, just maybe researcher dude, one of the other main reasons, is the youth think the Gov’t, Lobby groups and the likes of the RIAA/MPAA and their clones are so far removed from society due to actions like above, that no one actually gives a toss about them any more. Their public relations efforts suck and they are universally hated. None of that is going to go away soon, if ever. Adapt your distribution models, or die from a business point of view.

    Laws are only relevant if people actually want to follow them. There are not enough police, courts and lawyers to prosecute 20-40% of a population demographic. Try it, I dare you, double dare even, as it would it would lead to riots larger than in London last winter and the more the executives lobby and push and the politicians roll over, the more likely the risk if everything tips off that those same people will be actually targeted next time while the police are busy elsewhere.

    Germany has shown that 7-8% of the public have had enough and I can see similar rolling across Europe fairly quickly. The power of the internet has led to an explosion of information and there is an under current of anger simmering away awaiting some form of release outside of fapping and w.o.w. Give it a few years and the constant pushing, will be a massive shove back by the public

    • YARIGHT

      look at quebec ontario
      and see what happens when an illegal federal govt dumps so much expenses on a provincial govt ( state) that it has to raise student tuitions over 100% and all the abuses like increasing Old age retirement , and changes ot EI that are nasty….you get thousands all riled up and expect what a tea party a nice time and goto the cbc.ca home page and half the morons there are yacking aobut all htese few people smashing a few corporate jerks stuff and the like and you all wonder why and my message is they are going to far and need ot back off or else its gonna get far worse and with 33 million people , an army of 8900 and a police force of 70000 you wont stop a revolution if you keep pushing.

      its like hte above poster says try and remove 20-40% of the people doing this form the tax base and then create them as an expense on society and watch crap devolve real fast….can you handle 90% of your pay checks going to pay for prisons cause some kid or adult took a mucis album?

      me htinks society will get tired of it …LOOK at california home of hollywood ….its 16billion in the whole and look at record profits being made by movies….how long before the people there wake up?

      yup it wont be long folks the end is coming.

  • theonlyone

    “Our results show that young people feel no pressure from neighbors,
    friends, relatives, teachers etc. to refrain from file sharing”

    Maybe because neighbors,
    friends, relatives, teachers etc feel that file sharing is acceptable just as young people do. Maybe they feel that if someone pays for something that they should be able to share it with those less able to pay for the overpriced material.

    • Anonymous

      When I can sit down and have an in-depth chat on filesharing protocols with a finance manager ten years older than me without any awkwardness in the same spirit as if we were discussing fishing tools or golf clubs is where reality more or less proves that copyright infringement laws have no grip on the swedish people. By and large the people who even feel the need to object to filesharing are considered “odd”. In the same way that sect members are.

      This makes me feel pretty sanguine about the future of filesharing. Given data retention and increased mass surveillance I’m not so sanguine about civil rights in general though.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • Barack Ochama

    Swedes are nice people.  They like to share.  I have an idea.  They should try sneaker net sharing community.  People pay $1.00 to join a friendly community.  Then use this money to buy DVD.  Then pass around the DVD by exchange with the price of the DVD so it is legal.

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    You can’t control society when society controls you ! :)

  • Ophelia Millais

    “Without support for repressive efforts in social norms the effects tend to result in a feeling of increased risk or danger – rather than [the activity being repressed] actually being considered wrong,” … That sounds about right, but even if, in the future, “repressive efforts in social norms” lead to a wave of moralistic, anti-file-sharing sentiment that sweeps through the Internet-using masses, there will still be several factors working against the reduction of piracy. One is simply the technology; it will continue to be easier and easier to share any content whatsoever than it will be to prevent the sharing of a certain subset of that content. When a push of a button will cause you to receive you everything you want and more, from someone who wants to share it all with you, then relying on one or the other person to decline out of guilt just isn’t a viable strategy. Another factor is that no amount of shame will cause someone to be able to afford to buy content they otherwise would have obtained from an unauthorized distributor for free. As consumers, they will continue to spend their limited entertainment budget on a variety of convenient desirables in certain ratios, and they’ll do this for various reasons or just on impulse, but rarely will it be out of any moral or legal sense of obligation. Consumer motivation, especially for entertainment, has never been driven by such things…not now, not before file sharing came along, and it won’t be in the future. Similarly, guilt will not increase that budget, at least not for most people. So even if file-sharing and piracy were reduced, sales would not magically return to previous levels.

    This is all old news. It was all obvious to the file-sharers online 10-15 years ago. I mean, who was using mp3.com, Napster, and Audiogalaxy back in the day without thinking something along the lines of “whoa, this changes everything“? Speculating now about how to put the genie back in the bottle is a waste of time. But hey, look, you backstabbing, greedy content gatekeepers: you go right on ahead and embark on a pointless campaign of “repressive efforts in social norms.” You’ve utterly failed at it so many times before, what’s one more flailing, thrashing display of your incompetence? You won’t realize you are your own worst enemy until it’s too late.

    I’m reminded of all the moralizing that was done in the ’80s by the right wing in America…they were anti-everything, saying it was the downfall of society: heavy metal, rap, fantasy role-playing games, Madonna, acceptance of gays, cuss words and nontraditional families on television, recreational drugs, raves, violent cartoons, porn, you name it. They were getting things censored, banned, sued, or shut down left and right. They had legislators eating out of the palm of their hand, and they had big corporate money behind them, and they had half the population on their side. And then…nothing. It all fizzled out, very quietly. People, especially the young, went and did what they wanted to, because they realized it wasn’t causing harm, after all. The situation today with file-sharing and copyright infringement is just another chapter in this ridiculous story, and it will not turn out any different. The gatekeepers will never have the power they once had. The rest of us figured this out over a decade ago.

    By the way, I think the word was supposed to be “regressive”, as in, the opposite of progressive, but “repressive” does rather fit how you view consumers and fans as adversaries, doesn’t it?

    • Andy P

      AudioGalaxy was the shit.  I set up an FTP server with a look account and made a rule you could look, and if you uploaded and album (any album) and sent a .TXT file with your email address I’d send you an FTP account with twice the download credits as what you uploaded.  I had hundreds of albums in a week.  Expanded to Dreamcast games and had 100 in about the same time period.  Decided to buy one because I had all the games already.  Technology DOES change the game.  Too bad the major players aren’t paying attention.

  • Anon

    A friend used to say she would never download illegally or let her children do it, Three years later and she has hundreds of movies on an external hard drive.

    The movie and tv industry could be making billions from selling there product, they just choose not to, and when someone does not want to sell you something you either create your own, ala Youtube, or share what you have with friends. And no i will not buy movies that have drm or that are overpriced and of lower quality than i can get for free.

    There is nothing wrong with this , there is no theft or anything illegal i am allowed to share what i have with others and i do. Copyright laws are intended to stop people copying for monetary gain, i do not gain any money from copying.
    The conversation needs to be about why the industry does not want to provide a service selling there files when they have had many years to develop a system where they could have almost wiped out piracy.

    Now there problem is that copying for free has become a norm for society and to suddenly say that people have to pay for it is not going to work methinks, unless they offer something way way better than what you can get free.

    • FucktheMAFIAA

      “unless they offer something way way better than what you can get free”

      I was thinking about what you said. It will be a massive task for them to compete with P2P. There is so much choice with P2P. The pirate bay has 3.5million torrents alone. And what about Emule and File lockers and everything else.

      Plus what we have is a mostly uncensored and uncontrolled networks to distribute data. They would never offer us that.

      The MAFIAA and alot of other corporations have a business theory and it works like a charm, take away all consumer choice and inflate prices. If you do this you can sell at the price you want and don’t ever have to worry about prices dropping (unless every goes broke) I hate them for this because it means only the rich get a dvd collection or a music collection.

      So thats kinda why they won’t compette, it is MUCH more proffitable to keep the old business theory. They know its possible to squash P2P (by suing) to the point where only the real diehards can use it.. Its definitely worth trying…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4CUFGPXYI63VY7JGZWHBB2NI4Q albie

    Trouble is that the law makers are looking to adapt the law of association to fit p2p,if they succeed it’s the start of the end.

  • Anon

    All the comments citing prohibition, drug laws, that don’t “work” are missing the point. Certainly there will always be outliers in the crosshairs of the law. But for the other percentage who follow societal law, the laws worked. They stopped. In each and every case. And that’s what helps to focus law enforcement on the criminals. Nothing will STOP. Murder won’t stop either.

    But by this ridiculous pirate logic we might as well repeal the murder laws, too, and the speeding laws, and the wiretap laws because all those things continue and so they aren’t “working” either.

    lol morons.

    • Inveteratusamor

      Seems like a troll.

      None-the-less: In reply to your last argument, murder and speeding laws are in place because these actions CAN harm REAL people. Wire-tapping is an entirely different case which has privacy issues not too distant from a lot of internet-related legislation that we’re now facing.

      Secondly, the number of people speeding and ‘murdering’ is substantially fewer than those sharing files or doing cannabis. There’s a reason that so many people are doing – and it’s not simply ‘defiance of law just for the lulz’.

      THIRDLY – Drug laws do more harm than good – people have the capability to make their own choices, and those who do drugs and don’t harm people are being unjustly harmed by those who try to ‘stop them harming themselves’. The laws create criminals out of people who committed no crime other than to themselves.

      Remove your head from the ‘sand’ and take a look at all the people that suffer because truly arbitrary laws are seen as such.

    • Anyone

      if a country had a 60% murder rate it would be in big trouble

      so why compare loving (sharing) with hating (murdering)?

    • Guest

      “All the comments citing prohibition, drug laws, that don’t “work” are missing the point. ”

      Nope. They hit the point dead on. You, on the other hand, are missing the  point because you’re a fucking troll, idiot, or both. 

      Prohibition didn’t work because drinking alcohol had come to be viewed as a normal part of society by a large number of people. Sound at all familiar?

      Laws only work when they outlaw a deed that pretty much everybody feels is wrong. When a law outlaws a deed that millions upon millions of people feel is NOT wrong, that law fails. 

      Think about it, if you’re able to: drugs and alcohol can cause real harm. They can kill people. Lots of folks are vehemently opposed to them. And yet EVEN THEN, prohibition fell apart and drugs are commonplace and used with impunity. File sharing, meanwhile, harms and kills nobody. It’s appropriate for all ages. Setting aside the copyright industry’s bullshit, it’s squeeky clean.

      If the laws against drugs and alcohol don’t work, and they don’t, then the laws against filesharing don’t have even the slimmest fucking chance of ever working. Which would explain their continuous failure to slam the breaks on it. That’s not “pirate logic”, that’s just logic, period.

      “But for the other percentage who follow societal law, the laws worked.”

      The “other percentage who follow societal law” turned out to be far too small to matter in the cases of prohibition, the war on drugs, and the war on sharing. 

      You know, with your virulent hatred of law breakers and your disbelief that the law could possibly be unjust(in reality, there are plenty of cases when breaking the law *is* justice), I wonder what your ideal utopia would look like? Something like Italy circa the 1940′s?

      • Anonymous

        I don’t like to invoke Godwin but his argument is, in fact, word for word, exactly the same as that which was made in Germany after the “Reichtagsfeuer” in the 1930′s.

    • Netgrazer

      I don’t think there was ever a potential cannabis smoker that thought “If only weed was legal, I’d be toking up!”

      For teenagers the attraction might even be greater in countries where it’s /verboten/.

      And from what I’ve seen about the prohibition years, more than a few people ignored the law back then.

      People just like to enjoy themselves with these victimless “crimes”, which is another thing than killing, speeding or wiretapping. So LOL yourself, Trolly mcTroll.

    • Good-Help

      But by this ridiculous pirate logic we might as well repeal the murder
      laws, too, and the speeding laws, and the wiretap laws because all those
      things continue and so they aren’t “working” either. —- Way to miss interprate peoples wording…
      ——————————————————————————————————
      They are saying the laws don’t work because the laws effect a small percentage of the population quite harshly. Like drug laws dont work cos dealers get rich, drugs stay expensive and low quality, Blocking the pirate bays website doesnt work because the site is still accessible and censors the web as a by product.
      Which has a negative effect to society.

      And as for Murder and speeding, comparing those with drugs and filesharing is stupid. Both Murder and Speeding kill people, you cant compare them unless your a moron…

    • Anonymous

      That’s a nice straw man argument.

      Here’s a counter to it though: The difference between drug laws, speeding and alcohol abuse is that they take place using physical goods, in a physical space, in a physical locale.

      File sharing, on the other hand, is mere communication. You can use any legislation you wish but even if you started killing people over it you still won’t prevent anyone from communicating exactly what they wish.

      There is no better proof than that even today, after the courts have started handing out multimillion dollar penalties for those unlucky enough to get caught, even after antiterrorist forces have been deployed against suspected “abetters” and even after “burden of proof” has been abolished, filesharing hasn’t dropped at all.

      In order to make filesharing cease to have an impact you need to reduce it below the 10% mark. That won’t even happen if you abolished the internet altogether as even a sneakernet can fill that void.

      The pirate logic is only “ridiculous” if it’s observed from the point-of-view of a blithering idiot thoroughly incapable of understanding how filesharing is and just why the Prohibition is a very very watered-down analogy to use.

      Nice attempt at trolling though. Your argument contained everything necessary to render itself completely void of any relevance.

  • Guest

    The government needs not ban VPN services outright. Only a small change in the law would make these service useless for any serious anonymity work.

    The government can simply legislate that a commercial VPN provider is a telco service for the purposes of the data retention law and that any VPN provider falling within that definition shall keep logs for 6 months and provide a wiretap ready interface for the police and security service.

    Of course, that will not be the end of the matter, because everyone can setup a non-commercial VPN server with a nonlogging policy.

    People interested in civil liberties and anonymity should seriously consider the mesh network model.

    If the mesh network becomes so pervasive and popular that nearly everyone uses it, the government can’t ban it without spurring further innovasion.

    Even a local wireless network serving 50-100 apartments would be a headake for the police.

    If the network model is implemented properly, it doesn’t matter if the government is able to infiltrate the network.

    If just 1 out of the 100 users uploads something illegal, the police will have to conduct physical examination of all connected devices.

    If they aren’t fast enough, the evidence may already be gone.

    A combination of Fidonet and mesh network model could provide a good low bandwidth substitute for at least private and anonymous email.

    Even low bandwidth is acceptable a price for preserving anonymity in private communication.

    Does Fidonet still exist?

    If the government’s next step is  forbidding private internet  connections with connectable ports, any legal online service providing a text based comment system can still serve as conduite for encrypted communication.

    For example, Pastebin, Facebook and WordPress enable user generated content.

    There is no legal requirement that these services retain user generated content after the user requests its deletion, so people can use them as disposable storage for split uuencoded files.

    It’s an arms race which the government started when it wend after non-commercial file sharers.

    • Guest

      Keeping logs, meh, that can only be enforced on VPNs in their own country … making VPNs illegal in general means you cannot access VPNs regardless of their location.

      • Anonymous

        I’d love to see how them try to implement that…for starters it means breaking any online service relying on encryption altogether. Secondly, it requires real-time surveillance of every internet connection generated by a citizen..in a way which i can guarantee even the NSA doesn’t have in their own workplace.

        Everything can be done of course, but when the average internet conenction starts to cost five times as much as it does today you’ve more or less guaranteed that your nation will belong to the 3rd world next year.

        Political idiots have been trying to prohibit or ban encryption and anonymization for decades. It still isn’t doable. If it were, do you think Chinese citizens would still have access to it?

  • Anonymous

    Keep it up MAFIAA control freaks!!!

    Outlaw all and any sharing of YOUR content by all means.

    If you succeed… it means we’ll share independent artists, open-source projects, creative commons licensed works, etc. far more – and then you lose out on free promotion and the many legitimate sales that come as a result of people previewing and discovering content through filesharing.

    Please do remove yourselves and your rancid pro-consumerist crap from trackers, I prefer the undiscovered talent and those who engage in art for the sake of art, not profit margins.

  • Jonze

    Make it possible for me to download whatever movies I want for a yearly sum or something. (obviously a reasonable sum). I refuse to pay for a lot of the crap thats coming out these days. If I like something I will go and buy it but I am not paying for crap. There should be some standards!

  • Frank

    “IT WAS A VERY GOOD YEAR” 

    When I was just a Young TEEN  It was a Very Good Year  It was a very Good Year  for 8-Track Boot-Legs  of Grateful Dead Shows  To Play in Dad’s Car  Wouldn’t Drive Very Far  When I was just a Young TEEN 

    When I Turned Twenty One  It was a Very Good Year  It was a Very Good Year  For Boot-Leg Cassettes  of Metal Head Bands  To Play on the Beach  The Cops Out of Reach  When I Turned Twenty One 

    When I Was Twenty Five  The CD Had Arrived 
    Vinyl Had Died
    VHS Was Around  In Stereo Sound 

    We Paid for Everything Twice  That Wasn’t Nice  When I Turned Twenty Five 

    When I Was Thirty One  It was a Very Good Year  It was a Very Good Year    For DVD Sales and Shiny New Discs  On Windows PCs  Can’t Plug Into Trees  Paid Again and Again  Been There Done That my Friend  When I Was Thirty One 

    When I Was Fourty Five  It was a Very Good Year  It was a Very Good Year  For BroadBand NetWorks  And Napster Hit Town  Played the Songs I had Found  In Stereo Sound   When I Was Fourty Five 

    Now I’m Getting Old  In the Twilight of Years  Snatch Porn from My Peers  And Have a Few Beers  Wide Screen Monitor Format  My Stomach’s Not Flat  In the Twilight of Years 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwv-DxOPhSc 

  • :D

    Because a multi-million lawsuit against a person with $5 in their wallet isn’t tough enough? ROFL.

    To all the animals that design such laws… FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING CUNTS…There is a special place in hell waiting for you.

    • Hellisntreal

       (If Hell existed)

      • JÖTUNNDigital

         I think most of us can probably get together one weekend and make something very hell-like just to put these kinds of people in :)

      • :|

        It’s just a saying you dumbass, of course hell isn’t real it’s just some retarded made up story by christians.

        • oOo

          hell story exist in all religions , and all religions are just manipulation to keep people under control (maybe that wasnt so bad in past when humans number was low but too many people have primitive instincts and need to fear about something to stop destroy others)

          but ypou know what – “hell” and “heaven” it is here depend on you , we can make hell , heaven or both if we want
          hell is asociatted with all distructive ,violent , decay processes – crimes , fear, destroy , nightmare
          and heaven asociatted with peacefull non distructive
          both are result of our mind , our fears is about what we like and what we dont ,what makes feeling good and whats not
          for example i can make hell things and terorize trolls life , i can make them to feel fear about their life and their childrens life , maybe will be a bomb , maybe a virus , maybe a bullet , all of these are forms of hell becouse mean distructive

          so think is not about real places , it is about conceptual things , it is philosophy
          these concepts are like many others – black , white,  good , bad etc etc   

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  • Anonymous

    Disk storage capacity and bandwidth grow exponentially.  Making laws and suing people is at best a linear process.  Lawyers lose.

    • Anonymous

      No…what it really means is that the more reasons there are to sue people/defend in court, the more lawyers win.

      The lawyers are the only big and consistent winners in the entire Intellectual Property-mess current legislation has generated.

  • JÖTUNNDigital

    File-sharing isn’t* wrong. Nothing is lost, only copied.

    If people producing content want other people to buy their content, they need content that is worth buying. Bands like Nine Inch Nails *give their content away for free* and people still choose to pay money for it through deluxe product packaging and shows. Game producers like Blizzard have no problem getting people to pay money for their content.

    Just because someone produces something does not mean they are entitled to receive just royalty’s for it: Produce something worth having, then we’ll talk.

  • Guest

    60% of 15 -25! WOW
    keep that trend going and in 10 years the pirate party could be the biggest party

    • Anonymous

      Well, not really. The pirate party stands for more than just “filesharing for everyone”. Indeed, you could say that the entire pirate party stance on filesharing is just an unavoidable consequence of taking a hard stance on free communication and civil rights to begin with.

      You will find people filesharing across all age categories and deeply entrenched in parties on both sides of the left-right divider. They may be filesharers but they aren’t prioritizing “pirate” policy over…say, which party will provide the best interest rates for their mortgages, tax breaks, or the best public medical care compromise.

      However as we’ve seen in Germany, more and more people are starting to realize that many fundamental liberties are being compromised away by the mainstream parties as part and parcel of dogmatic policy. Which is why we’re seeing a steady trickle of disillusioned voters coming our way.

      That said…the youth generation is more liable to go for pirate party membership simply because they aren’t yet fossilized.

  • Anon

    They’re right that the problem is that the people doing the sharing don’t consider it to be wrong – consequently the new laws to stop them doing it don’t make them feel like they’re doing something wrong, it makes them feel like their rights & freedom are being stomped on.

    When an authority figure forces you to do something that you (and many others) do not feel is ethically wrong, you’re going to think that the authority figure, not you, is in the wrong.  That’s the major flaw with them even attempting to tackle the issue with legislation.

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  • pirate

    “A higher degree of pressure or social control would most possibly have a
    clear impact on habits and practices regarding file sharing.””

    How about you go fuck yourselfs with a cactus?

    “do not believe they are doing anything wrong and while this remains the case the ‘problem’ is unlikely to go away.”

    Might as well say that to copyright holders, how about stopping screwing off the consumer? Nope,they dont think what they do is wrong and its their stuff so they got right to do it, nice logic, now your stuff becomes our stuff because we dont feel like supporting you for what we do, go ahead and call piracy “theft” but if you have infinite amount of units to sell that cost nothing to reproduce and you CONTINUE to own the product even after you sold it, then its not theft. Its copyright infridgement which at this point has insanelly stupid laws which you use as to fuck us with, so you send lawyers bullying people and recruit via brainwashing law students to join your cause.

    Sincerely the smart people that dont buy your shit.

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