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Free Textbooks For Students Will Break Greedy Monopoly

With a new college year just around the corner, students will be expected to dig deep to pay for all the latest textbooks to accompany their chosen course. These books are not only crucial but also very expensive, a situation that hasn’t gone unnoticed by the administrator of a textbook-focused torrent site. His plan is to break up a publishing monopoly and educate the masses, regardless of how deep their pockets are.

Students often struggle to make ends meet as they train for meaningful future employment.

There are countless complaints about the catch 22 situation of needing money to continue, but no job yet to provide it. One of the unavoidable major expenses faced by most students is compulsory spending on textbooks.

“According to a study (pdf) conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, textbook prices have increased FOUR TIMES the rate of inflation of other finished goods for the period of 1990-2009,” the admin of LibraryPirate.me [LP] told TorrentFreak this morning.

LibraryPirate was founded a little over a year ago with a site mission of providing college students with an alternative to continuously rising textbook prices.

“Our mission is simple and specific,” LP’s admin explains. “To revolutionize the digital e-textbook industry and change it permanently.”

LibraryPirate’s founder believes that real-world business rules don’t apply when it comes to textbook pricing and he bemoans the often unnecessary annual updates that render last year’s textbook obsolete, just as this year’s version – with its 6% annual price uplift – becomes the dictated ‘choice’.

“The Government Accountability Office reports that the average student spends about $1000 on textbooks each year, or 26 percent of their yearly tuition [source, pdf]. Publishers defend their actions claiming increased expenses in updating this supplementary material are only being passed along to the student,” he explains.

“While there is a need to keep information current, most of what is taught in big introductory courses simply isn’t going to change that much from year to year, or even from decade to decade. For example, Calculus was invented 300 years ago however new editions of textbooks are released like clockwork.”

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In common with the music and movie industries, a relatively small group of textbook publishers have a monopoly on the market. Even congressional intervention is said to have failed in dislodging their grip.

“New Textbook legislation was introduced by the Higher Education Opportunity Act (H.R. 4137), which passed 380-49 in the House and 83-8 in the Senate on July 31. The bill was signed by President Obama on August 14 and went into effect July 1, 2010,” LP’s admin explains.

“The bill aims at making textbook publishers more up front with students about textbook pricing and also forces them to sell some additional course materials separately. While this is a start, it is clear now that these measures have done nothing to prevent the continued rise in inflation of textbooks and new digital course material.”

Furthermore, as is becoming increasingly common in the video games market, publishers are taking steps to discourage student use of the pre-owned books market. LP’s admin says they are achieving this by offering discounts up to 20% on their eBook products to encourage uptake, but then disqualifying the purchaser from selling the product by implementing DRM.

But LP’s admin, who says that he experienced the street-level effects of the monopoly during his time as a student, intends to undermine it through what he describes as the open access movement.

“Open source textbooks alone will, without a doubt, turn the textbook industry on its head by taking away the power from the major publishing companies,” he explains.

“Those with access to e-textbook resources — students, librarians, scientists and professors have the responsibility to share this knowledge openly with the rest of the world. Unfortunately, the majority of universities do not utilize open source textbooks today. Professors continue to require students to buy hundreds of dollars in textbooks and ‘kiss the ring’ of textbook publishers.”

This open source dream is not yet reality, which automatically leaves students in the hands of the textbook monopoly. However, LP’s admin says he intends to meet demand by making ALL textbooks open for everyone to use and distribute.

“To strike back against the textbook monopolists we must hit them where it will hurt the most – not in the testicles, but in the pocketbook,” he says. “Tell all your friends not to buy books from the campus bookstore when they can get them for free online. ”

While there are currently around one thousand textbooks indexed on LibraryPirate.me, the site’s founder hopes that through collaborative effort that collection will grow.

“Grab every textbook you can get your hands on and scan it so that everyone in the world can have a chance at education,” he says. “Professors, students, and avid readers alike, it is our responsibility to do everything we can to make education available to all who seek it, and this policy flies directly in the face of the textbook publishers that are using you to line their pockets.”

While many users of torrent and other file-sharing sites will simply be looking for casual digital entertainment to fill their free time, the careers of those searching for textbooks could hang in the balance depending on whether they find their target material or not.

But of course, just as poor students want to save money on their way to a career, textbook publishers need to make money in order to survive too. Is there a moral difference between downloading a song or movie and downloading a career-enabling educational textbook, even if it is provided at unfair prices through an anti-competitive monopoly?

“While many may view the open source movement as blatant ‘piracy’, I believe they are overlooking the obvious moral imperative at play here,” TorrentFreak was told. “Personally, this notion became very clear to me after attending college and has remained the driving motivation behind the LibraryPirate project.”

“It’s no secret that college students today are simply victims of a broken educational system. Until real steps are taken to ensure textbook material is made more affordable and accessible to students, I only see one path to moral high ground.

“So, in the historical tradition of civil disobedience, the time has come for students to declare their opposition to this private theft of education,” LP’s admin concludes.

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  • Systemoffree

    It’s about time we start breaking all monopolies. free culture and exchange now.

    • Jewbag

      Education is free!

  • Annon

    good show old chaps jolly good show…

  • S Sa

    There was such a site in sweden called StudentBay two years ago, but unfortunatly it seemed to have been shut down. This is a welcome initiative.

  • Flacht82

    In Germany (at least in my Uni courses) there’s no need to buy any books. Well I do study Computer Science, so most information is available for free online anyways, but still… most Professors simply point out good books and stuff their lecture is based on… but there’s no requirement to buy any of that at all.

    Though, information to learn for your future should ALWAYS be free. Information MUST be available to EVERYONE for free!

    • baoz

      in usa professors get a kickback on books that are sold for their classes

      • Bbadr

        Tell me, are these same professors also writing the books they are promoting?

        This is something that happens in the Netherlands.
        You have to buy the textbooks these professors have chosen, and lo and behold quite often they have written them as well.

        • djnforce9

          Happens in Canada too. Prof writes the book and makes it mandatory for the course they are teaching. A blatant means to sell more copies at their students’ expense. Sometimes the book isn’t even that good and contains errors.

        • Anon

          Yeah, I’ve seen this in N.Z as well. Sometimes the books will be co-authored with two or three authors on the faculty.

        • Anon

          Yeah, I’ve seen this in N.Z as well. Sometimes the books will be co-authored with two or three authors on the faculty.

        • Dustsphere

          I have a couple Prof. like that, but their books are actually a little cheaper, so luckly we all when. Prof gets more money sell his books, and I get to buy a cheaper version rather then the $375 one the others sell. (His book cost $125.)

        • Danny

          I had a lecturer in my last year that recommended his book (a DSP theory book that was £60 new), but he did at least give us all a free cut down version that had all the relevant information.

          All of our lectures though were fully supported by course material. That’s what makes a course great in my opinion.

        • Lynx

          Yup, one of mine wrote his own books as well. Chicago, IL

      • Ven

        This is the problem with higher educations costs in the U.S., not publishing monopolies (although they are a separate issue). Yes the publishers gouge students on book sales, but that is an ugly truth about business that exists everywhere some entrepreneur knows they have a corner on a market or supply falls way short of demand.

        The schools and teachers know their students are being overcharged for garbage. And they encourage it. It makes them money. And I wouldn’t have an issue with it if it weren’t for the fact that these same teachers turn around to the government and the public and swear up and down that these poor teachers are underpaid.

        I’m with Bill Gates on this one, the university system is archaic and has been doomed by the advent of the internet.

    • https://twitter.com/init2 Alex Covic

      Computer Science is a true exception, since the latest stuff is on the web (before it’s on print anyway) and you can get (almost) any info. Not so much in every other discipline!

      What you did not mention is that the available books in libraries are fewer and fewer, older and older – students steal books in huge numbers; not everyone has online-resources available to them. Most Uni libraries have limited number of (old) hardware, the (free) access to databases is limited, etc, etc.

      Open Data is something most countries still have not discovered. So far, the rich kids get the good education, and the poor ones often none at all. This (economical/political/educational) system is not in danger. Guess why?

      • djnforce9

        Sometimes even Computer science students can get burned too. In my case, a prof decided to take the questions for all the assignments from some otherwise worthless $100+ Visual Basic 6 book. Worthless in that all its information (minus the questions of course) was easily available online and I knew that VB6 would be replaced within a couple years (which it was when .NET took off).

        You know what’s also worse? Buyback. Think of Gamestop trade-ins but with textbooks. You pay an arm and a leg for the things and they give you pocket change for it back (e.g. $7 for $80+ book sometimes) and then sell it for half of its original value. This is why used book stores were opened. It was meant to compete with this nonsense. The problem is that some books are in such high demand that they go super quickly. Others never sell at all despite being only a year old because the prof has demanded that new material be purchased.

        • Danny

          You got screwed learning that archaic language! .net is no better!

        • Blah blah

          Visual Basic? Jeezus what a fucking dump university you must have attended.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    You, good sir, are doing it right [you = LP admin]. I used the holy place for sacred material while I was a college student: the Library. That’s what my social condition allowed me at the time. If we can get the library to go online then it’s even better =)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

    Textbooks are overpriced as shit, but, they do actually cost something. They use a shit ton of ink which is expensive. Then again, ink is overpriced as fuck as well. But Paper and ink do cost something(my guess is about $5 or so, so imo textbooks should be no more than $10-15)

    I don’t like PDF’s. Books are far far superior. They’re easy to read, you can abuse the living hell out of them and they’re still usable, and you can flip through pages and bookmark pages with your fingers and quickly reference other pages, look at multiple pages at once,etc.)

    Just my 2 cents

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

    Textbooks are overpriced as shit, but, they do actually cost something. They use a shit ton of ink which is expensive. Then again, ink is overpriced as fuck as well. But Paper and ink do cost something(my guess is about $5 or so, so imo textbooks should be no more than $10-15)

    I don’t like PDF’s. Books are far far superior. They’re easy to read, you can abuse the living hell out of them and they’re still usable, and you can flip through pages and bookmark pages with your fingers and quickly reference other pages, look at multiple pages at once,etc.)

    Just my 2 cents

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      When you have 2.5k page books you will start liking pdfs… I personally love them if the book has over 500 pages =)

      But reading in a screen is not nice, tires the eye. There are some new types of e-readers that imitate the paper very well but I haven’t seen those personally so I can’t say if that’s true. If it is I’ll be getting one, if not, I’m sticking to the paper and ink.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

        personally I have more problems with regular books, looking at the ink and the writing makes my eyes hurt, really hurt, it’s a pain, but pdfs are much better, no pages being torn apart by trying to flip a page, they don’t fall apart after two years of being in a school, and you can still do nearly ALL you can with a normal book, in one way or another AND more. besides, they cost you near nothing to make, remake, distribute, take with you and use, etc, etc…. (near nothing if you pay for your electricity that powers the computer, phone, board, whatever you use)

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Oh well, if it suits you then it’s fine, I was thinking during college, carrying 2.5k pages on your back isn’t really… good.

          I have a book here that I’ve read 7 times already. Lord of the Rings is the name. The book has turned yellow, some pages have some nasty spots of something I was drinkin while reading and there’s even blood from one time during a hot summer day I decided to stay quiet under the shade of a tree but I got a nose bleed anyway =((

          You should be more careful with your books you might say… Marks of a true warrior I tell you. =)

          Cheers

      • Anonymous

        I believe you’re referring to E-Ink. It does a good job of imitating paper. As for readers that utilize e-ink technology, the most notable being Amazon’s Kindle and Barne’s and Noble’s Nook or Nook Simple Touch, the benefits are the price compared to lcd tablets or e-readers (usually much lower) and battery life (which is beyond ridiculous, the new Nook Simple Touch being the champ at the moment). Some textbooks are available digitally, thus making them worth the cost, others can be “rented” from some online stores. Barnes and Noble has NookStudy. Amazon/B&N have some titles available for purchase. Then again, too many aren’t digital, so you’re stuck purchasing the traditional text book anyway. If you’re considering one, an e-ink e-reader, if I may be so bold, look at the Kindle or Nook Simple Touch. If you do lots of reading the Nook is the better option because it has expandable memory through it’s micro sd card slot. Then again, depends where you live. Amazon/B&N are notorious for not having their online offerings/devices available in certain countries. Price wise, any decent e-ink e-reader should cost you between $100-$150. Depending on the model you get. If you have any questions on them Ninja, I’m more than happy to help/give info.

        I personally have the Nook Color. It uses an LCD screen. I read literally all the time and I have no problem reading on that. I used to read on my laptop/desktop before and eventually my eyes would bug me. But that could be because I have terrible vision already. It comes down to personal preference though. Some people prefer e-ink and some prefer lcd. If the books you need have lots of pictures and color in them, I’d suggest going for an e-reader or tablet that utilizes an lcd screen, as they tend to be able to show color. Traditional e-ink readers at the moment do not have the ability to display color. But Mirasol screens (which is more like e-ink with the ability to display color) are in the works, but info on that has kind of disappeared recently. Who knows if it’s being pursued still.

        Locally, we have a University of Texas nearby (not a major one, but still recognized under that UT name) and what some students do is buy the textbooks then go across the border to copy shops/print shops in Mexico and have them make a copy of the book. When I was going to classes like 5 years ago I knew a guy who’d do that. He’d buy say a $100 book, go to Mexico and get a perfect copy made for $20. Then he’d return the book to the university bookstore and get his money back. Not exactly approved of, but hey, some people can’t afford the expensive books. That’s another option. Well for those near such places that is.

        • Anonymous

          Personally e-ink looks pretty good though :’) (I don’t have an e-reader, saw it on someones Kindle on the Tube)

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          If the e-ink reader can read pdfs or open text formats then it’s fine, I just have to download from the ‘specialized sites’ if they are not available by official means. I’m in South America so I doubt there’s anything like that here ;)

        • Bruce Almighty

          I don’t know how to thank you but the information you have provided here is absolutely priceless. I had no idea about the various types of e-readers. If you didn’t mention all this here, I might not have ever known about it. Thanks mate.

          I am a university student who have literally gone broke having to buy fat expensive books which I can’t afford. In some semesters, I have even gone without proper books just to save money. Most of the good books are not even available in our country.

          I managed to collect the ebook versions of the books I needed from various sources but they have been useless to me thus far since its impossible to read text for extended periods on my glossy laptop screen as it causes severe eye strain. But now I think I have a solution.

        • Anonymous

          @ Drag0nflamez

          I’ve used an e-ink e-reader and it does look pretty good. If I didn’t enjoy comics as much as I do, I’d have gone with a traditional e-ink e-reader for sure instead of my NC. If you live near any electronic store, go in and check one out. They tend to have the Kindle usually. But that gives you a good sense of what you’ll be dealing with.

          @ Ninja

          Most e-readers (e-ink or lcd displays) are able to read PDFs. The thing about ebooks is there is no current official standard. So some sites/companies deliver books to you in proprietary formats (Amazon, Sony, etc.) and others don’t (B&N, etc.). If you’re going to look into one just do a bit of research. Or like I said, feel free to ask me and I’ll help you out. My best advice to you is get something that can read PDFs and ePub. ePub is the unofficial standard for ebooks (in addition to PDFs), and a growing trend is for public libraries to have a digital version of their library, which they let you “check out” books from, those tend to be in the ePub format. However, you need not worry, there’s a great piece of software called Calibre that lets you organize your ebook collection and convert books to other formats (in case you need to). It also upon first running it lets you choose YOUR particular e-reader, that way it formats it perfectly for your device.

          @ Bruce Almighty

          No problem sir. Happy to help. I am big on reading and a fan of tech in general. So I try to keep up to date and knowledgeable on all this stuff. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

          @ Ninja and Bruce Almighty

          Since you guys seem to be in the market for a good device, like I said there’s plenty out there. But after using most of the popular ones (Sony, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc), I’ve taken to recommending Barnes and Noble’s offerings. The Nook Simple Touch (e-ink) or the Nook Color (lcd) to friends and family. They’re by far the most user friendly IMO (my mom who is clueless about technology has no problems purchasing books for it or transferring them to her device, for books not purchased through B&N’s online store). They also have access to Nook Study, like I mentioned. Where you can purchase some textbooks, or if you prefer (and don’t need them for long) can “rent” them for awhile. They support the more popular formats (PDF and ePub). The e-ink device is CHAMP when it comes to battery life, in a rundown test against the Kindle, it lasted 3 times as long. The Kindle made it about 50 hours, the Nook made it 150. The Nook Color has a much shorter battery life (cause of the lcd screen), but I get around 8 hours of reading/web surfing/listening to music from it (more or less depending on what I’m doing). If you root it, you can get even more (believe the most I’ve seen mentioned was 11 hours). As for price, I think the e-ink one is going for $139 at the moment (but they randomly have sales on it or special deals) and the lcd one is $249 (also randomly have deals on it).

          A lot of people swear by the Kindle, but my problem with it is the proprietary format they use (for their offerings) and the lack of expandable memory. Calibre beats the first one (with the right plug-ins), but the latter there’s nothing you can do about.

        • Bruce Almighty

          @electric_worry:

          After your suggestion, I read a little review on the Nook Simple Touch just now. It seems like a perfect device for my needs, in fact a lot better than the Nook Color as I want a completely glare free screen with long battery life just for the purpose of reading.

          But the one major drawback of the Simple Touch is the lack of browsing ability and it really is a big deal for me as I have the habit of reading the morning newspaper online and also TF. Besides, I could have used a browser to download the books I needed and started reading straight away. Why they didn’t include a simple browser considering it supports Wifi seems to be a glaring oversight on their part.

          On the other hand, while the Kindle has the browsing ability, I want to stay as far away from physical buttons as possible. There is nothing better than a touch screen interface, its almost like dealing with real pages.
          So is there really no way to hack the Nook Simple Touch to use it as an internet browser? Since its based on the Android platform, there must be a workaround

        • Anonymous

          @ Bruce Almighty

          I know what you mean about the glare. I use my Nook Color randomly outside and I manage, but it’s a b*tch (the glare that is).

          Actually, there is a browser. It’s just hidden because it’s considered “experimental” at the moment. But I’m sure as soon as they finalize work on it, or update the OS, it’ll be accessible through regular means. To use it at the moment, however, in the search bar just type a URL and hit enter. To see it in action, and read up a bit more on it, just click the link below.

          http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/09/web-browser-found-hiding-in-latest-nook-no-root-required-video/

          As for the “hack”, since it’s based on Android it’d be called “root”. And yes, the device has already been rooted. There’s a very simple way to root it. It’s called TouchNooter. The guy who released it does great work and has a version available to root the Nook Color. Very reliable guy. Answers any questions you may have, but check the forum first because someone may have already asked before you the same question.

          At the moment there’s no dedicated page on the XDA forums for the Nook Simple Touch, so you have to search under the Nook Color forum. (Stuff that’s related to the Nook Simple Touch will be labeled by that name or by N2E or Nook 2nd Edition, something like that).

          I’m going to provide you two links, the first one is for the TouchNooter page. The second is to the Nook Color Android Development forum, where you can search for more stuff. Also, in case you’re worried or anything, the devices themselves, (Simple Touch/Nook Color) are pretty much “brick proof”. Like you have to seriously try in order to actually f*ck them up, and even then you’re pretty safe. They have the ability to go into Recovery in case you make any mistakes (or want to go back to a stock experience) while rooting (in addition to being able to boot from the sd card). But like I said, rooting has been simplified to the point that there’s literally no risk, even for beginners

          [N2E] TouchNooter 1.6.24
          http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1132693

          (instructions on what to do are included there, as well as the files you need to download in order to root the device

          Nook Color Android Development
          http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=864

          Now since I don’t have the device myself, I can’t tell you what you can do once rooted or even tell you what the rooted experience on said device feels like. But if it’s anything like the Nook Color, you can go off and it’s a real treat. After reading that page (the TouchNooter one), it’s my understanding that once rooted you will have access to the Android market. So at that point, you can just download Dolphin Browser (or whatever your preferred browser of choice is) and install it and use that as your primary browser (instead of the “experimental” hidden one). I know I saw a video where someone was running Angry Birds on it, once rooted, so the device can do much more than intended (not sure if you’re into playing games, but just trying to show some of the potential the device does have).

          Hopefully this info helps you out. If there’s anything else you’re wondering about just let me know. I have a friend who just got a Simple Touch actually this week. There’s a chance he might swing by today, if he’s got it with him and let’s me root it I’ll be sure to let you know how it goes.

        • Bruce Almighty

          @electric_worry:

          You sir, are a life saver. The information you have provided here is a goldmine. I have bookmarked all the links for future reference. They will come in handy after I buy the device.

          You have pretty much cleared all my doubts as of now. Once again thanks a ton for all the help, I appreciate it :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/mwonch Michael Wonch

        And yet, you can stare into a computer screen for hours at a shot? No wonder your eyes are tired… LOL!

        E-readers allow you to adjust the brightness and size of text (like a browser). Printed books don’t do that, obviously.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          You do have a point. I’d love to read TF in paper if it was possible lol.

          I’ve tried my cell phone as a reader (it has a nice big screen) but it doesn’t do it simply can’t beat paper and ink. Even if I have to spend hours reading in my monitor (during work for instance) I have to take frequent breaks and I feel my eyes dry. It’s different with moving images, I’m not sure why. Even at home when I read stuff that I like on the PC (ie: TF, a book I downloaded etc) I feel my eyes complaining.

          Maybe I should use those artificial tears every once in a while…

    • http://twitter.com/LiudvikasT Liudvikas Teiserskis

      Surprisingly that’s what they cost in a country where they are not overpriced. Actually I have a series of encyclopedias around here somewhere. Printed while we still were in soviet union, each costing a few rubles. Also I have other huge encyclopedia bought perhaps 15 years ago back when I was a kid, which cost back then ~100lt (~25$ that was before inflation when 1lt was ~4$, now its just 1:2.5). And even now I never paid more than 10-20$ for a textbook as a student (actually I get them at the library, surprising I know).

    • Ven

      That $10-$15 price tag wouldn’t cover 100 miles worth of gas, much less how much further books have to go to get to college bookstores. I don’t disagree that books can be overpriced (my differential equations text was basically published grad student notes and ran me about $275), but it is unrealistic to think that a company could sell you a book for less than it would take for FedEx to put it on your doorstep.

      There are many costs that go into books. The real problem is that these books are updated and replaced every year, which is unnecessary 99.9% of the time.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        The unnecessary replacement is one of the main problems. However, the editors can find good local printers so they won’t need to transport the books for a freakish long distance and then boom, your gas price goes awesomely down.

        • Ven

          It’s cheaper to do large-scale printing with a distribution system than to do small scale printing which still requires some form of shipping.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mwonch Michael Wonch

      You can easily bookmark PDFs, Sean. Multiple bookmarks, in fact – just like fingers. LOL

      I have quite a bit of experience in electronic publishing. Yes, PRINTED books cost more for the reasons you state (ink, paper, bindings, etc). However, electronic books are far cheaper to produce. There is NO excuse to price the e-books the same (or even near) the printed, bound types. Absolutely none.

      E-publishing is the future. Not only is it eco-friendly (well, more than printed volumes, anyway), but it is also a lot easier to manage entire libraries. I foresee a near-future where students will be using nothing but the e-readers. Couple that with storage discs, or even bit locker backups), all ya gotta worry about is the device itself, which usually cost equal to or less than ONE printed college textbook. If you accidentally delete a textbook, you can copy one from another student (or download from a backup source). Most e-book sellers allow multiple downloads from the same IP Address after purchase, too. Try getting iTunes to do that…

      To answer an above post about a professor selling his own book cheaper than others to his class…that’s good salemanship, for sure, but $125? Really?? Come on…

      • Bruce Almighty

        E-readers especially with e-ink technology are indeed the way to go in future. These days most technical colleges include the price of a laptop as part of the student’s admission fee. So make no mistake, sooner or later e-readers will replace traditional books. Who would have thought one day emails would make traditional mail obsolete for all purposes except official documents?

        But I fear the greedy publishers will continue to charge the same amount for e-books in future as for traditional books even though e-books should cost only a fraction. Hey, I don’t see any reason why buying games from steam should cost me 60 bucks which is same as the retail price of games bought from stores. After all this, they wonder why file sharing is so popular.

        • Anonymous

          I see you mentioned the price about e-books. A lot of that deals with publishers. But Amazon is challenging that idea at the moment. I know on Wired and Engadget recently there were articles that Amazon is taking Apple and a few publishers to court over their backroom type deals to raise prices on ebooks in order to keep the competition (Amazon) from selling books at cheaper prices. If you’ll notice Amazon’s prices have gone up recently, and that was directly attributable to Apple. Basically Apple, being that they are as big as they are and sell tons of iOS devices, told everyone, and I do mean everyone, that they couldn’t sell stuff elsewhere cheaper. Basically, no one can undercut Apple. Deal with it or get the f*ck off our devices. So a lot of publishers and developers and others have pretty much complied, in order to keep reaching the iOS market/consumers. The issue is already being discussed and I believe (if memory serves me correctly) in court. And so far, some of the info revealed does indeed make it seem like Apple was making moves before they were even ready with their iBooks thing. As in there are quotes from Steve Jobs regarding prices, and saying that no one’s prices would be lower than Apple’s. Things like that. So indeed, the situation looks like there was a fix already in the works to drive prices up and displace the hold companies like Amazon had in regards to sales. (Because they charge reasonable prices, or did, and thus had more people flocking to them for book purchases.)

          It is indeed a problem. There are a few books I’d love to have on my device, but frankly the price for them is way too high in comparison to the traditional paperback versions (and even some hardcover versions).

          In addition to that, if you read what I wrote above about some libraries offering people the ability to “check out” digital books, it’s worth noting some publishers are fighting that as well. As in they do not approve of it and are trying to place insane restrictions on it. This despite the fact that the ebooks are being treated in the same manner as traditional books by the libraries. I.e. if it’s “checked out” no one else can check it out til it’s “returned”. And they’re purchasing multiple copies in order to have several to check out. But the publishers want to place restrictions like an ebook can they only be checked out 5 times before the library must purchase a “new” one. Or they want to charge them licensing fees for ebooks. Or limit how long a library can check out a book. Things like that. It’s very ridiculous, but it’s all about money. They (the publishers) want more.

          Which reminds me, BA, B&N has a “Lend Me” feature for their digital offerings. So if say I have a book you’d like to read, I can “lend” it to you for 2 weeks or so. Again though, publishers are fighting that and placing restrictions or not allowing some (or even all) of their books to be “lent” out.

          On a personal note might I add, “F*ck Apple. And iTunes.” By far the most overbearing “do what we let you do with our products, even if you did buy them” company ever. No one tells me what I can or can’t do with my stuff. I see Apple getting knocked down a peg or two soon enough. They’re already suing everyone over the shape of tablets and cell phones. Apparently Apple trademarked the shape of both. [rolls eyes] Bunch of ‘tards.

        • Bruce Almighty

          I really don’t know what to say. I am speechless. The more I hear about such corruption and greed, the more I become perplexed. Do they even know where to draw the line?

          I have always hated Apple and have refused to use any of their product till date. It’s all because of their restrictive eco-system where they want to control anything and everything that you can do with your device. Besides, they have never been able to explain why they charge exorbitant prices for all their products when the other well known companies can often sell the same thing (sometimes better versions) at a fraction of Apple’s selling price.

          And yes, creating artificial scarcity by placing restrictions on libraries is just well, shocking to say the least. How can anyone be allowed to control information like that?

          I hope Apple gets cut down to size after Amazon is done with them in court. What Apple is doing is criminal and its like robbing the consumers in broad daylight. F*ck them.

        • Anonymous

          Of course they know where to draw the line. It’s wherever they feel like drawing it. As long as people keep coughing up money though, they’re essentially condoning and approving of such practices. Particularly in regards to Apple.

          I’m totally anti-Apple. The hardware is decent (and only decent, because there is much better hardware inside the products of some of their competitors), but the prices are ridiculous. More often than not, as you said, there are other companies that can sell you the same things at lower prices. And sometimes superior products at still lower prices.

          That’s why I love jailbreaking iPod Touches and iPads and iPhones for people. Sure I make a quick buck off it, but it’s more my way of giving Apple the finger. If possible I try and get them to purchase other products. Like I seriously hate Apple’s control issues. I have an iPod Classic, sits mostly unused. Got it as a gift from my mom a few years ago. I hate that in order to use it I HAVE to have iTunes installed on my computer. Then in addition to that, you get Quicktime as a (not so) nice added bonus. WTF! Pisses me off to no end. I’ve tried other music managers that do work with iPods but the problem is while they do work, they’re not optimized and will give you problems. So you’re pretty screwed.

          As you said, it’s like they’re robbing people in broad daylight. The problem is most people don’t even realize it. Thus Apple can keep doing it.

          I repair computers as a side gig and I hate when Mac fans say “Windows sucks, Mac rules, no problems ever”. I’ve had Windows PCs last me years and years with no problems, viruses, hardware failure, etc. Meanwhile every person I know with a Mac that “just works” and “is way better than anything produced by any other company” call me/text me/email me about the problems they’re having. Or I’ll run into them and be like can I use your laptop real fast, need to send off an email and then I’ll laugh cause the keyboard keys don’t all work, or the disc drive has stopped functioning or sounds like it’s ready to literally shoot the disc out at lethal velocity. My $500 Compaq (which died upon hitting year 5) outlasted my friend’s $1500 Macbook by over a year.

          As for the publishers, their thing is greed. Apple pretty much did them a favor with that move. They can blame it on Apple if they want. But the truth is they love the idea of forcing people to buy their books at higher prices. Amazon was sending business their way with lower prices, and they made a profit (the publishers). Now they can make a bigger one, because Amazon has no choice, they’ve got to purchase books regardless.

          Like I said, can’t wait to see Apple get it’s a$$ handed to them. Lately they’re whole “we’re taking you to court” thing shows how “innovative” they really are. Or better said not.

          But the one thing I truly hate about Apple is their lies. And the fanboys. Apple can do no wrong.

    • me

      “Textbooks are overpriced as shit, but, they do actually cost something. They use a shit ton of ink which is expensive.”

      As the author of two textbooks (having worked with two different publishers) I can say that ink & paper aren’t what makes them expensive. It’s that they are not mass produced that does. Producing the PDF for the printing requires extensive copy-editing and proofreading anyway, and sometimes you need professional layout people and guys who prepare the diagrams. And the author gets around 10% to 12% royalties (from the price after taxes and retailer costs have been paid). All this makes approximately 85% to 90% of the production costs, even before a single page has been printed and bound.

      To make it clear: the 90% costs of producing a quality PDF aren’t being amortized by a huge readership as what happens with best sellers. Everyone of the (unfortunate) buyers bears a pretty heavy burden; and as an author, your monetary reward for the many months of preparations is a few thousands of dollars at best of the whole life cycle of the book, i.e. a negligible amount w.r.t. the efforts you put in that project. If it weren’t for the pride of writing a book just for the sake of it, I would never have done it twice.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

    my problem with math books are not that you need a new one each year, my problem is that they STILL manage to get their own “facts & answers” wrong, mostly the SAME shitty, 2nd grader’s flaw.. can they even learn that 100+10% is NOT the same as 110-10%… (they don’t actually use that simple example, but it’s the same concept)?!

    • http://www.facebook.com/mwonch Michael Wonch

      LOL! Yeah, man! Back in the earl 1990′s, I tried attending college here in the USA. My mother made sure I knew proper grammar and how to use logic/critical thinking. More than one instructor argued when I found errors in assigned exercises (such as, ending sentences with a preposition). I know that’s how people speak, but it’s not proper for academic writing. Duh?? I had a 3.85 GPA (out of 4.0) after one year. I dropped college after my fifth debate (this time with a history instructor) who was adamant that Abraham Lincoln was born in Illinois (he was actually born in Kentucky).

      Textbooks (all books) are prone to errors, that’s a given. But, when instructors are too lazy to correct the errors in their lessons, what’s the point of listenign to them at all? What else do they get wrong??

  • Yarick

    The worst part about text books is the new edition that comes out every year. 99% of the time there is absolutely 0 new information in the text book, and all they’ve done is rearranged things just a little bit. I just find it funny that these greedy, secure in their monopoly assholes will try to stick it to the people who by definition have no money.

    • Ven

      If you look closely, you will notice that the one thing that does change are the exercises: publishers change those so that students can’t use an old edition if the teacher is assigning problems from the text.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        I’d call that being a greedy bastard. Along with it they add a few exercises pages so the absolute number changes and when the teachers say “open your books on page X” they spark chaos and despair ;)

        In my college we had like 4 different versions of a book circulating. The teacher had the oldest lmao! So we took photocopies of the exercises from each of the versions (the ones we were using) so everyone had the same stuff. Those filthy pirates… lmao

  • Anon

    Book purchases fuel academic research in important essential ways. If illegal torrents pull the revenue stream on the development of new college texts, universities will simply roll the purchase price back into tuition and hand out new books every semester, destroying the second hand market for those students who didn’t mind second hand to save a bit of cash. Piracy is so stupid, seriously.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

      I didn’t realize academic research was needed to teach English, History and Music(What I’m taking this semester except 2 music classes)

      • Anon

        You didn’t realize research is always ongoing in every area of academic achievement at every university? It is, seriously. Perhaps you should start paying more attention in class, Sean, or vacate your seat for someone who will.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

      I didn’t realize academic research was needed to teach English, History and Music(What I’m taking this semester except 2 music classes)

    • http://twitter.com/ctoon6 ctoon 6

      a lot of times, you never get a chance to use second hand books, schools will use a new edition of books every year.

      • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

        When I left my course I had dozens and dozens of texts and only one was still current and could be sold on.
        The rest all went to Cancer Research.

    • Guest123

      complete and utter bullshit. The taxpayer funds the bulk of research. Making us pay twice for information that we and our ancestors already paid to produce is what’s bullshit.

      We’re just going to end copyright and patent monopoly law, they’re thieving unethical bullshit. No-one deserves the power over others they give.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      You CANT morally defend it…. Anon….

      There is NO logical valid defence either….

      “”If illegal torrents pull the revenue stream on the development of new college texts“”

      logic:
      So articles in scientific journals are written for money ?
      Thesis are written for money ?
      Knowledge is only passed down for money ?

      moral:
      Surely it should be the teachers duty to generate their own supportive texts…. ( as a collective of teachers )
      Not some company who only wants money…….and is willing to discriminate against the poor for not having money…..

      TEACHERS should be rewarded for teaching….. Not greedy publishers…..

      “”universities will simply roll the purchase price back into tuition and hand out new books every semester“”

      Logic:
      Well if they don’t have to buy them because they are free ….
      HOW do you work that out….?…

      moral:
      No direct moral issue…….but…..
      Should I be civil towards @Anon for this moronic .. illogical statement..??

      ____________________________________________________________

      The value of education is that it is…………….

      PRICELESS to society…..culture……individuals……and ALL our futures

    • Ven

      I agree with you to the extent that the universities will pass the buck on to the students. The higher education system in the States leaves no room for alternatives: if you want a degree in something, you have to jump through all their hoops or you are out of luck.

      • Anon

        Well of course, Ven. Education will be paid for like every other commodity. if piracy damages a revenue stream it will just be made up somewhere else, like tuition. Piracy is asinine.

        • Moo

          Copyright monopoly is asinine.

    • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

      I suspect that the time spent by tutors writing these texts in order to line their pockets cannibalises course and tuition quality.
      I was also amazed at the number of grievous errors and abject confusion in, say, the *13th* edition of a property law textbook that goes relatively unchanged between editions.

      It would be better if educational establishments paid more on one hand so that a German Department head was paid more than £24,000 p/a and enforced the memer of staff’s obligations very rigidly on the other in the interest of tuition quality.

      At my former University strikes were rife in my first years because funds were supplied to the University by govt to increase staff wages and those funds were then diverted into other things by the University once they were received.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mwonch Michael Wonch

      Sorry, Anon – I’m all for those using their education to go as far as they can by making as much money as they can. However, the ridiculous pricing is over the top. it really does smack of selling to a “captive audience” as well as the well-known PT Barnum maxim “there’s a sucker born every minute.”

      Do you honestly believe Albert Einstein would insist on the latest edition of textbook for Basic Physics? Academic research centers around ADVANCED knowledge, not the basics. Therefore, advanced texts should change periodically. The basics rarely change. 2 + 2 will always equal 4. Why buy a brand new textbook for things like that when a 100 year old instruction manual will do just fine? What does that fund?

    • Anonymous

      Hmm, I thought academic research was fueled by donations from the public, government grants, taxpayer dollars. You know, things like that. I seriously doubt book purchases have anything to do with fueling academic research.

      If you want to hate on piracy, by all means do so. We know you will anyway. But don’t state things that aren’t true just to try and use them to support your “pitch”. Your tired old comments are what’s stupid, seriously.

  • Glib

    I completed an engineering degree 20 years after my eldest cousin did; his books and mind for all “standard” courses (static/dynamic physics, calculus, chemistry, thermodynamics, materials, etc) were IDENTICAL minus some questions being changed and the pictures being updated. Those books were ~$125 each IF we paid for them … though at least the calculus book was good for 3 semesters.

    The problem with e-textbooks is twofold: printing them at copy-center pricing is often near the price of the book and using a tablet-like device is quite pricey and doesn’t really allow the advantage of a physical book which is writing in the margins. Make a cheap e-ink (colour, maybe) reader, 8″ screen, with note-taking capability for ~$200-$250 and you’ll see eTextbooks being far more valuable.

    • Anonymous

      I know some e-readers/tablets, or better said most nowadays, allow you to “write” in the margins and make notes and whatnot. As for price, well they vary. E-readers that use e-ink tend to be under $250. Unfortunately no color there. Tablets tend to be a better option (either iPad like tablets or convertible pcs) but the price for those is minimum $330 (going by the cheapest priced one at the moment). That and most of those are 10+ inches (per screen size) and battery life varies. The best gets almost 11 hours and the worst gets you around 5. If you’re looking for something like that, I hate to make it seem like I’m trying to sell the product but for $250 the Nook Color can’t be beat. Color, 7″ screen, note taking abilities (albeit not written with a stylus, but typed using the digital keyboard), and if you’re so inclined, with 2 minutes effort you can make it go from being a stock e-reader to a full Android tablet (if you want more than just the ability to read books, although it does quite a bit more as is, stock).

      But the problem is eTextbooks aren’t readily available. At least not as far as what’s out there. The options are rather limited at the moment. I tried to find some for my brother awhile back from various online retailers, ended up just giving up.

      • anon

        +1 To nook color. Can be rooted to fully functional android tablet. Works great with the pdfs on LP.

        • Anonymous

          Word! Or you can keep it stock and run something like CM7 off an sd card, which is what I do. That way you get the best of both worlds. ManualNooter is also great as well. Stock experience but with the benefits of being rooted so you can do even more with your device.

        • Anon

          Nook is the best tablet for the money, period…I download my books from Library Pirate now and will do most of my reading on this once school starts

  • Anonymous

    During my college days there was no real choice. All books came from the college book store.

    Now students using the Internet have many choices including used books sold on eBay.

    Still as I am well aware that students have an income that falls in the realm of brutal poverty then get what you can when you can. Free is the perfect level for a student.

  • read! watch! share!

    Bravo! This “control the information and information is power” paradigm must come to an end. All your papers, reports, polls, books, movies, music, graphs, result sets etc and so on (and bases) belong to us for we are the human race. Your hording has controlled and manipulated our lives for far too long. Now there are means and ways to give a boost to all of humanity. Molding people’s opinions and corralling them around what “your” ideas are.. history baby.

  • Cavelord

    Can’t seem to get to the site. TF users pummels them again…lol.

  • True North

    no matter what you all say, no matter what you all do, IF YOU HAVE/COME ACCROSS OR IN YOUR POSESSION OF ANY COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY E BOOKS, UP LOAD THEM TO THEIR SITE!!! BREAK THE MONOPOLY!!! Hell scour TPB et. al. and if you find any upload…..upload…..UPLOAD A poor college student will appreate it!!

  • Jigsy

    I wonder if there’s a legal loophole in downloading educational material.

    After all, Right to Education is a human right.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      Well said Jigsy

      “” Right to Education is a human right. “”

    • Guest123

      Not really. It may be a human right, but that doesn’t guarantee access. It being a human right means that no one can deny you access to it, but if you can’t pay for it, then it’s only the responsibility of the state to provide what’s necessary, and a college education is not a necessity.

      Think about it like this; access to food is a human right, but we still require people to pay. If people can’t, they’re only given access to enough to fulfill their needs with inexpensive food. The similarity here is that governments will provide access to what is necessary, primary education, but doesn’t have responsibility to provide access to anything above that, and legal means have to be used if someone wants to secure it for themselves.

      A human right is not a justification for doing anything. You may be able to morally justify it to yourself, but there is absolutely no legal loophole there.

      I see someone else above me is using my name again. I object to their very existence.

      • Guest123

        Well, to be clear; attempting to fulfill a human right can be a justification for doing something illegal, but only if it is a necessity to do.

      • Ven

        Right to education is a right that our government defends. You have the ability to enroll at public universities and colleges without discrimination, the ability to throw your name in a hat to get financial aid if you can’t afford it, and the ability to walk into any public library and read those books.

        You can learn almost anything you want, and we support it. However, getting a degree is not the same as learning something.

        • Anonymous

          but i was thinking, recently, how very little i learned during my BS & MA that i couldn’t have gotten from a good syllabus and reading a lot. i think something like this opens the doors not just to college students, but everyone. if we can educate ourselves… of course its not the same as going to college, nothing is. (think of the brain cells ud save!) and u won’t end up with the almighty degree. but if you don’t have that option: educating yourself still means you know. and with that knowledge, you get your foot in the door to your dreams…ytf not.

  • Fantastic

    Had a prof that custom made a course book and was quoted that it would cost 40 bucks a piece (cheap all things considered) Then went it hit shelves they were charging double that price. A rational man he decided the best way to handle that was to photocopy the book in question. Crush the monopolizing scum out of existence!!!!

    • Ven

      I had a teacher like that: he ran out and bought like 55+ last edition texts, and sold them for $40 a pop on the first day of class. At the end of the semester, he would gladly buy back any healthy copies for the same $40.

  • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

    Problem is that with many law courses, the books are supplied when you start the course and the cost of them is integrated into the course fees (and no-doubt padded a bit).
    I suppose it saves the library from having to have 100+ copies of McKendrick’s Law of Contract but the textbook editors have a really cute arrangement set up with the universities there.

    It wouldn’t stretch the imagination too much to imagine publishers/authors paying universities to encourage them to choose and supply their books over competitors’, the cost of which being up by the students.

  • Cengage

    Wonder how long before this site gets shutdown? Are people seriously scanning every page from a textbook and uploading it? Haha, seems like a lot of work! LOL!

    • Guest123

      there are feeder mechanisms to make it fairly quick.

      • Russell Brand

        Feeder mechanisms for a bound book? I’d really like to see that…

        • Moo

          you undo the binding first, sheesh.

  • Anonymous

    Well that seems to make a whole lot of snse when you think about it.
    real-privacy.au.tc

  • Maziah

    We don’t need a new site for this. Just put the books on btdigg and be done with it.

  • anon

    This is great. Textbook publishers have dragged their feet on offering E-Book versions of their texts, despite its obvious cost savings for students (and, I might add, school districts) because they feared piracy. If they find that their physical books are being pirated anyway, they’ll have an incentive to offer E-Books to capture at least some of that revenue stream.

    • Ven

      It seems to me that the easy solution for them would be to get textbooks rolled entirely into the cost of the class – it would basically eliminate the need for piracy by forcing students to buy the book anyway.

  • Maziah

    [edit] Actually, I take that back. After signing up, I see the categories are really helpful.

  • Anon

    going to school this september, i say there is good in this world XD

    if textbook publishers can have their way and dumb down the populace enough, they’re find a marketing way to essentially say this is our version of math and you can only pass the course with it, because hey, this stuff has no use in real life anyway

  • Inuyasha

    though i wonder why they have a 60day need for activity before account is deleted policy, who’s gonna be motivated to read textbooks they don’t need to =p

  • Billy

    Is there a more direct/shorter version of their user agreement? 27 pages of text is a bit much…

  • Anonymous

    tinyurl.com/2df4ccp

  • Anon

    eMule :)

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  • http://www.facebook.com/mwonch Michael Wonch

    That’s right! Vacate his seat for those who aren’t critical thinkers. Makes it so much easier to have an educated populace that also bows to the latest political strongman (hello, Iran!).

    Fact is, Anon, most research is properly begun on THEORY but then passed on to the common folk (educated or not) as fact, even when technically unproved. THAT’S the problem…

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  • Anonymous

    Hey, free is always a good thing right?

    • Anon

      Not if you invest years of your life researching and writing and you place it out for sale and everyone torrents it free and uses it.

      • Guest103

        You still have the actual fruits of your labor. If you didn’t see the value in the actual product of doing research and writing in itself, instead only valuing the monopoly rents you expect to seek under copyright monopoly law, then fuck you, go do something else, stop trying to make a global police state to steal freedom of communication from all of us.

        If you don’t want something copied further, don’t bloody publish it.

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  • Information

    One thing the article failed to mention is that schools & teachers receive kickbacks from the publishers to use certain textbooks (custom versions). The custom versions really do not change much from the original versions except in the fact that it may have the schools name on it but is marked up at a greater price. Also, most universities do not run their own bookstores anymore, they outsource it to a second party company who then marks up the books, gives the university another kickback and reflects the kickback pricing back to the students in the fees that they charge for the books.

    You really have to wonder about the material that you are reading when professors are receiving money from publishers to use certain books in their classes. In most businesses taking a bribe is considered illegal and definitely immoral. Now not all professors do this, but there is a good majority that do. I know that this goes on because I worked for a company that serviced college bookstores. It is truly a shame how students are overcharged for these materials and it is just added to their student debt.

  • Anonymous

    good, its about high time it got broke down!
    anon-tools.int.tc

  • wonkevator

    First off – I do believe textbooks are to expensive for the wrong reasons… however
    it is funny that someone here mentions the cost of ink and paper in producing a textbook. The ink and paper is nothing compared to quality control of the content.
    Just because someone is a professor, does not mean they are 100% accurate with all of their knowledge.
    A teacher at a leading technology high school in D.C. encourages the use of free information, but has said that he noticed 50% of the info students were able to find on the web for free was either wrong, or that the provider of the info was teaching a process in a way (say for math) that would not always give the correct answer in all situations.
    Notice how many people EDIT textbooks. To EDIT is to confirm the correctness of the info provided. You have to have multiple “real people” and “smart people” check that information. Out of college you start to realize that real people with real lives who are smart, do not spend massive amounts of their time doing things for free.
    I don’t like it, but the expense of providing the network of people to ensure quality has gotten higher. A more precise issue is that a lot of the actual smart real people who edit are also getting screwed and paid less as a result of executives.
    No doubt there is a problem, one that actually gets into politics as larger textbook companies have lobbyists, but just be careful what you ask for.
    If quality control breaks down, history books could be changed by those who are drooling to change them. Science books can be changed so that evolution does not exist.
    Our history of factual information should not be compromised, the way of textbook publishing just needs to be changed.

    • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

      >>> “Out of college you start to realize that real people with real lives who are smart, do not spend massive amounts of their time doing things for free.”

      It might not happen often; less often in troubled times and bad economies, but I could probably furnish you with a good few examples.
      It’s views like the one you state that are a major problem with society. Nobody does anything without looking for the £/$ sign.

      • Friend of the People

        Yeah, there are a few examples, but not many, and we shouldn’t be designing a system where we rely on those.

        As for money; it’s an unavoidable evil. People aren’t going to ignore it until we reach a state where work and manpower is no longer needed for the maintenance of society. Until then, there’s nothing wrong with doing what will earn you money, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be able to sustain yourself with what you do. It’s harsh, but we don’t have any realistic and better alternatives right now, and we won’t for a very long time.

        Best to build the structure of society on a model we know works then on one founded on hopes of what society could possibly be like.

        Besides, there’s a lot of work that goes into creating textbooks and making sure the answers in them are correct. You wouldn’t do all that work for free. I wouldn’t. None of us would. It’s unreasonable to expect a charity from the creators of textbooks (and artists, since this is a torrent site) that we would be unwilling to do ourselves.

        • Guest102

          It’s a completely unjustified leap to jump straight to copyright monopoly. Grants and prizes are known to work fine.

          Face it, if your law requires a global police state that would creep out the stasi to enforce, your law is wrong.

        • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

          I didn’t say to rely on them but you should aim for a happy balance. It’s not right to label people who act philanthropically as idiots. Not everything should be done for profit, even if that happens to be a model that works.

          A lot of profiteering and carelessness also goes into writing texts sometimes. Our higher education system in this country is broken, possibly beyond repair in my lifetime and I think the constant churning out of new books has played its part in causing that.
          Lecturers look at publishing as a way to exploit students and to increase salary and they often create new, rearranged texts for no real purpose but to devalue previous editions.

          In many cases it’s only their rush to create a new edition to devalue a previous one that causes errors that justify (and need to be rectified by) the next.

          That is not a happy-medium situation of seeking to profit from a noble venture.

          I’m sure that in a lot of cases, wonkyelevator’s points hold true but there is another side to these things as well.

        • Friend of the People

          @guest102

          It doesn’t require a police state. The current implementation isn’t correct, but the principle is. Beyond that, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say to me. If you want me to get what you’re trying to say, you need to write a little more next time.

          @Crash

          I didn’t label people who act philanthropically as idiots. They are good people, and I thank them for working on behalf of others. I will label those who create a reliance on generous behavior in a business or other venture as idiots, but that’s more related to business that would try to rely on donations, and we aren’t having that discussion.

          You are correct that the constant revisions are problematic. I won’t argue there. There are a few mitigating conditions, such as science books where there could be large and legitimate changes from year to year based on new discoveries or developments (such as the work of one of my old professors, who campaigned for large changes in phylogenetic trees). Profiteering can be bad, but expecting charitable behavior can be even worse.

          There are multiple sides to this. Wonky presented a side that was probably in the minority of views on this site.

          Well, nothing more to say.

        • Friend of the People

          @guest102

          It doesn’t require a police state. The current implementation isn’t correct, but the principle is. Beyond that, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say to me. If you want me to get what you’re trying to say, you need to write a little more next time.

          @Crash

          I didn’t label people who act philanthropically as idiots. They are good people, and I thank them for working on behalf of others. I will label those who create a reliance on generous behavior in a business or other venture as idiots, but that’s more related to business that would try to rely on donations, and we aren’t having that discussion.

          You are correct that the constant revisions are problematic. I won’t argue there. There are a few mitigating conditions, such as science books where there could be large and legitimate changes from year to year based on new discoveries or developments (such as the work of one of my old professors, who campaigned for large changes in phylogenetic trees). Profiteering can be bad, but expecting charitable behavior can be even worse.

          There are multiple sides to this. Wonky presented a side that was probably in the minority of views on this site.

          Well, nothing more to say.

        • Rebellionista

          Money is not evil in itself. It is actually quite practical to artificially induce people to prioritize the allocation of resources better. What is evil is to place the power of controlling the money supply to international banksters, who hide behind phony “federal” or “national” banks, and force governments to borrow money from them (at interest!) instead of allowing elected governments to control the money supply themselves. This evil is mathematically flawed and it will only cause misery in the world unless an organized mob brings these false gods down to where they belong: eternal hell!

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  • Jhamon

    I don’t get what the big deal is. Given that knowledge in most fields has not changed, I had no problem buying recent (but not CURRENT editions) of books for a small fraction what the original purchaser paid. Heck, sometimes I even bought non-current editions of non-required supplemental books just because the price was so low. I probably saved thousands over my four years at MIT by doing this, and such rapid devaluation of printed books wouldn’t be happening if they weren’t pumping out new editions annually. I definitely benefited, however indirectly, from their greedy pricing strategies.

    That said, I’ll be grabbing some PDFs for books I own from this site just because PDFs have their uses (primarily search, portability).

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  • It’s A Riot!

    This is all a good idea but it doesn’t address other problems. There is a big monopoly that makes you pay for food and clothes and computers and other stuff. Those are necessities of life! Everybody should hurl bricks through store windows and take what they want. Don’t pay – don’t be a sucker. Liberate all the things they want us to buy. That’s your human right. Then burn down the buildings so they can’t do it again. The UK shows the way!

    • http://www.xbomber.co.uk/ Crash

      Right, but I don’t see Microsoft coerce and prey on the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of young people, away from home and often with limited means to sell their operating systems in the same way that I’ve seen higher education do.
      Infact ‘M$’ give their stuff away to CS/IT students.

      You’re principle is absolutely right but your analogy is not a 100% parallel.

  • Adame lieks to shanke

    the prices are too high for many, and they are forced to live broke to buy the books. so there does need to be a revolution sorry anon sucker and other maffiatrolls…

  • Cogecoe

    drive sober or get pulled over lol

  • Cogecoe

    drive sober or get pulled over lol

  • Anon

    NICE!!! It’s about time someone picked up where textbooktorrents left off…

  • Bookboon

    free e-books textbooks at http://www.bookboon.com – this is the real deal..

    • Bookbooksucks

      @bookboon hahah real deal… like pirated PDF ebooks aren’t? Book boon has nothing any college student will need this semester.

      • BookbooN

        no not pirated PDF! All legal..

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  • Qwerty

    some textbook prices are really ridiculous. The standard electrodynamics textbook from jackson for example has been out for ~50 years and still costs about 100$, even though just about all costs have been recovered until now (and the publisher just has to pay for actual production).
    Although I have some pdf copies of it I still value the advantages of having the “real book” so I bought the chinese-international edition om amazon.cn for 25$ – 10$ for the book and 15$ for shipping…
    I guess this shows how we are ripped off!

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