Dozens of Great Alternatives To LimeWire

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October 27, 2010
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After more than a decade of loyal service, LimeWire was shut down yesterday by a U.S. Court. As LimeWire was one of the world’s most used P2P-applications, the shutdown affected millions of people, mostly casual downloaders. Luckily for them, there are plenty of alternatives and potential replacements former LimeWire users can choose from.

appes and oranges After a lengthy court battle, LimeWire lost its case with the RIAA yesterday. The New York District Court demanded that LimeWire shut down its entire operation, including all searches and uploading and downloading that occurs through the client.

In a response to the decision LimeWire made its client unusable, leaving millions of users with no other option than to find an alternative. The good news is that there are several applications and services that are ready to act as a replacement. We will discuss a few of them below.

FrostWire

FrostWire is a popular free and Open Source P2P client supporting both Gnutella and BitTorrent downloads. The application was first released in 2004 by members of the LimeWire Open Source community. FrostWire is similar to LimeWire in use and layout, and is fully compatible with iTunes. There are versions available for various operating systems including Windows, Mac, Linux and even Android.

FrostWire has always emphasized the non-infringing use of their client. In 2008, the client introduced its FrostClick service through which it promotes independent artists, which has been very successful.

MP3Rocket

MP3Rocket is another LimeWire spinoff with a very similar look and functionality. It works on Windows and Mac and the application supports both Gnutella and BitTorrent downloads.

Unlike its name suggests, MP3Rocket is not limited to finding MP3s. It is capable of downloading any file format including video files and software. In addition to downloads, MP3Rocket also has hundreds of streamable radio and TV-channels.

BitTorrent

The two applications we discussed above both support BitTorrent downloads, but like LimeWire they were rarely used for this purpose. The main reason is most likely that many of its users don’t really know where to find .torrent files. For those who want to switch over, here is a list of some decent torrent sites.

LimeWire users who want to give BitTorrent a try might also want to consider using a dedicated torrent client such as uTorrent, Vuze or Transmission.

Music/Video Streaming

Music fans who don’t mind streaming tracks in their web browser actually have a few alternatives. Grooveshark is one of the most elaborate music services. It holds more content than the average download store, supports playlists and works on various mobile phones.

For video streaming there are perhaps even more alternatives. There are literally hundreds of sites one can choose from, although we have to warn of excessive popups on most sites. A Google search for “movie streaming” should be enough to get going.

Usenet / Newsgroups

Usenet is another good alternative to download all sorts of files, but depending on the service you sign up for it can be a bit harder to figure out than the other alternatives. Also, any good Usenet service requires a paid subscription, which is the trade-off for getting one of the fastest and most anonymous download services.

Direct Download Sites / Search Engines

There are numerous sites that search open web directories or allow saving of otherwise streaming music. BeeMP3, DilanDau, MRTZCMP3, MP3Hunting and various Mulve-style alternatives such as the PirateApp and Firefox plugin Vkontakte DL are just a few of those available.

More More More

The alternatives discussed above are really just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens, if not hundreds of alternatives to LimeWire that can be used for sharing and finding files. This includes some of the older LimeWire versions that are reportedly still working. Other notable P2P applications are Soulseek, Ares and eMule. And then there is Direct Connect, Advanced Direct Connect and so on.

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Freedom

Thanks TF for providing information for the masses that suffered from the unfortunate Limewire ordeal. Classy act!

A personal note to fellow TFers: Even though many of us had left the Limewire network after it became ineffective several years ago for better file-sharing networks, lets help, instead of patronizing our fellow file-sharers who still used Limewire up til now and experienced its loss.
Great Luigi

You can take a look at different bittorrent trackers here:

http://trackerlevels.blogspot.com/
DERP

Cabos

http://cabos.sourceforge.jp/index.html.en
the people

wasnt this supposed to happen in the early 90′s? its about time this insecure pos died
Jolly Geoff

The Monkeys have escaped the barrel, The Worms are already out of the can!
qwerty

-> .1.0. <-
phishybongwaters

I have an alternative for you, you connect to my ip and search for content, I show up ten minutes later at your front door and when you open it, i kick you square in the balls.

Same as lamewire without the virus scans
a

http://www.rlslog.net/
GREATNESS

who cares no one
BobDole

http://www.bt-chat.com FTW!
kebab

eMule and aMule are still very popular. I have been able to get lots of old movies there that have never been released as torrents.
Ruddy

I care, I used limewire to share information with my friends, in my country the minimal wage is about 100 dolars month… that gives us what we need… talking about food, clothes… but other things are almots privative…
Limewire, can you move your heatquarters to other part of the world? we love you!!! we need you!!!
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LOL

Virus infected crap. About time it was taken down. So many better alternatives out there
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a

My custom filehoster search :

Sites searched: 129 ( and growing )

Including other search indexes.

Pages indexed: 93,900,000

bookmark.

http://www.google.co.uk/cse/home?cx=012714988938802530645:af4mj9gytvm&hl=en

And.

http://www.filestube.com/
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Quartz

Limewire the client may have closed down but the network it runs atop is called the Gnutella network and thus any Gnutella compatible client will ensure you dont lose any friends nor fail to complete any partially downloaded files.

We had a much harder time restoring operation on the winmx network but its still running over 5 years since the media mafia claimed to have closed it down, the rule of the game is to cluster into groups and brainstorm solutions en masse when faced with problems, dont let these fat cat corporate theives take an inch.
Anon

wow grooveshark is cool! cant download but totaly nice at work and on the phone.
nickny

You know, as someone who has spent the last 25 years running a small family-owned, niche market indy label, I can’t help but try and suppress a growing rage, when I think of the fact that I and many others, including a lot of musicians, are wholly dependent on the meager revenue from selling music digitally. It is very convenient to think of everyone in the revenue stream are fat cats, but you know what? They are all but out of the picture now! I just wonder if this was all about organized shoplifting or identity theft, if you all would be so smug and self satisfied with your free p to p services. How about maybe paying for something for Christ’s sake? Keep it up! I hope all of you can whistle really well! Cuz in a free p to p world, that is the music of the future.
Anonymous

try SciLor’s grooveshark™.com Downloader its like the PirateApp.

http://www.scilor.com/grooveshark-downloader.html
Anonymous

And the hydra grows a few more heads…
Anon

lol @21

You sound like a troll.. but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you might be legit..

In which case you need to do a bit more research.. the fat cats arent even close to out of the picture..

Sorry dude, get a clue. Were fighting a war, and its not even close to over.

Also.. its a new day and age.. sorry things dont work out exactly how you think it should.. nothing does.. question is are you going to adapt and change, learn the new secrets of technology and revenue.. or are you going to sit there and complain that you cant sell plastic discs anymore.

Wake up bro.. there is much work to be done.
Quartz

I can whistle, play instruments, write lyrics and do many of the things an “artist” claims some sort of spiritual monopoly on, in fact I along with many hundreds of thousands are able to deliver many of the talents folks used to ascribe only to the “golden elite” who call themselves artists but are simply packaged product.

Dont ever think we are all just about stealing copyright product fellah , we like folks cars and we look at them but we dont steal them sure there are a few rogues about but most folks like to reward the creator of material they love notice I said love and not like as in the case of most folks we want the creator of a product to be as popular as it is with us thats why we recommend material to each otherm and get this we actually go out and buy it from those scummy record companies even though we know they are ripping us off just to get the cover images,insert labels and the best src of the material, you dont really expect us all to enjoy trash 128k tunes do you ?
tsk tsk nick

while i see your point i dont agree with it, really. contrary to popular belief, some of us actually do pay for media, if its good enough. Also, its hard not to be smug when the lions share of music and movies have been freed from the miserly claws of multinationals. its unfortunate you seem to think your stick is short- but you should have realized not everybody in the biz can be “cash money millionaires” or some similar claptrap.
a

@22.

Get OFF your moral high horse !

Copying is NOT theft !

How about maybe paying for something for Christ’s sake? Keep it up! I hope all of you can whistle really well! Cuz in a free p to p world, that is the music of the future.

SO all the people who make music for LOVE.. will just disappear ?

NO . . ALL the greedy bastards will disappear..

Good riddance nickny
.

OH.

1.

I produce music , and give it away for free.

2.

I make money from DJin and playing some of the music I produce.

3.

IF the club has >1000 people then I have to make a playlist. (+ local radio )

4.

The club ect.. pays for an intertainment licence. And supplies the playlist to prs.

5.

The artists on the playlist get Paid for their work being publicly performed.

6.

I make more money from radio plays than I ever did with sales.

. . . . THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT

The more people who wan’t to hear my music on the radio/club == Getting paid.

Making sure my productions are available for free is paramount.

It’s an exposure thing…

You know that already. Don’t you ?

. . . . ONLY difference is.

You think you should be Paid for exposing your work to INDIVIDUALS !

You really are a greedy bastard
Aaron

Limewire tries to take over the G2 network as its own, and when Limewire goes out, no one mentions one of the original contributors to the G2 network? G2 will never die, nor will the programs that run on it.
http://shareaza.sourceforge.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella2

Should have been the #1 item in this article.
Truther

If you still used network based distribution networks I would suggest Shareaza. It allows you to connect to eDonkey (what eMule uses), Gnutella (what Limewire uses), and Gnutella2 (Shareaza’s own system), and bittorrent (which you should use a better app for)
Its completely free and open source.
http://shareaza.sourceforge.net/
nickny

Okay, no not a troll. Came here from a lead story on Google news.

To LOL21 and Quartz- I do know something about the business of music, after having worked in it most of my life (my father started a ‘scummy’ label in 1950, and collated the records himself, while i grew up taking orders of lps to the post office.). But I digress: Not all music is as cut and dried as “download the stuff for free, and then pay to go see the band live” There is a whole world of music and music recordings that doesn’t fit into that model. And “new secrets of technology and revenue.”? Would that be “Give the music away for free, and let saturation advertising pay for everything”? Yeah, that’ll work! Talk about scummy, let’s let advertisng run it all! Yes, you are right if all music is reduced to bands or acts – then they get the (some) money at concerts or from schmucks dumb enough to buy their downloads (not from self-ordained ninja free music warriors, of course). I don’t know – it just strikes me that it is very uneven in the fairness department,. I mean, “We don’t steal cars, but we share music that other dopes pay for – but we are like warriors” Pulease!
hikaricore

For breaking the first and second rules of usenet… you are now fired from the internet.
nickny

To @22, oh, by the way, we give tracks away for free on every release, and send old fashioned cds out to press, promoters, etc. Well, anyway, nice chatting with you.
nickny

Say, I didn’t call anybody here “A greedy bastard” okay? Now your breaking the rules of the TF discussion too, eh? Figures.See yah.
Anonymous

I in the past have downloaded probably about 2000 movies & before my hard drive crashed, I had about 400 gigs of mp3′s and other music types. I have produced my own music and have never asked for a penny while many other artist who think just because they produced some music deserve to get paid for every download. Basic question is wtf?
nickny

I know I keep signing off and then jumping back in, but I did just want to thank tsk tsk, for his/her comment. Fair enough! You made a cogent point without throwing in “warriors” or “Greedy bastards”, “or a bunch of other pointless overheated rhetoric. But a fair point all the same. Thank you!
Ben

Songr is the bomb! songr.co.cc
John

God forbid you actually pay for the content you want.

Is that really so hard?

You’re not fighting for anything except your own greed and selfish desire to get the results of other peoples’ hard work for free.

How “noble”.
Alexisonfire

@ Nickny

I appreciate your views even though I may not agree 100%, your first comment though just gets people riled up.. your in the den man..

You will find that this place isnt all about getting stuff for free.. at first when downloading started everyone was very quiet because nobody knew what was going on. Then this site TF came along and started informing everyone of all the atrocities happening..

and just like every other campaign or battle.. people rise up when informed and fight tooth and nail to stop the injustice. Unfortunately like any war.. their is always people caught in the crossfire.. so don’t feel like nobody cares.. but destroying the monopoly is priority #1.

I resent the industry for what it has done, to what it will do.. for pushing absolute garbage like miley cirus teaching little girls that its ok to be a complete whores..

All in the name of the dollar, and if you get in their way they will crush you.

We are the only thing standing in between their total domination, if it was up to them you wouldn’t even be able to whistle without being sued.

Your story is just like what Walmart did, small family business tossed to the wind for big profits.
nickny

TO Alexisonfire,

Actually, I agree with EVEYRTHING you say here! I am totally against big box corporatism and all the evil and destruction it has spread. Most big pop acts (and major labels too) could spontanously combused, and I would cheer. I am just saying, that for smaller niches, we do have to make a living too, and rightly or wrongly, selling our wares is the system we have in place. Anyway, I think we are more on the same page than you would realize at first. It is just that indy labels with nich music can easily become “collatoral damage” in the great struggle. Just think it should be kept in mind.
rocker

Uh, TF, isn’t directly linking to piracy programs a bit of a gray area?.
John

[quote]destroying the monopoly is priority #1.[/quote]

What monopoly? If you want to support independent music, no one is stopping you.

You don’t know how to find independent music? That’s your problem, not the RIAA’s.

I thought in this day and age of Google, YouTube, Myspace, Amazon, and iTunes anyone can release anything and anyone can find anything.

So how is the RIAA possibly standing in your way or anyone else’s?

The fact is you simply enjoy getting your major label music for free. But you don’t want to feel bad about it. So you invent this laundry list of “atrocities” the majors are responsible and use them to justify your selfishness and greed.

In the end, it’s all BS though.

If you’ve got a problem with Miley Cyrus’s popularity, take it up with her fans. I do not see how it has anything to do with whether or not they should be able to sell their products in a fair digital marketplace. Or whether you should have the right to just rip off whatever you don’t want to pay for.
Jmoney

Don’t forget http://www.piratefan.org
me

To all those who keep saying: “pay for the content you download”… we’re talking about G2 (Gnutella) network here, ffs!

Most of us G2 aficionados are here because we are sharing and looking for RARE files that are NOT sold anymore, or nearly impossible to find elsewhere one some legit site. How are we supposed to pay for content that even the so called “rights owners” aren’t willing or caring to sell at all?
Quartz

@NickyNY

My definition of a “scummy label” is one that seeks to enrich itself far out of proportion to the effort it makes to help delliver the end product, I am not happy you have taken what I have said personally in this way, I am sure your father was a decent and honourable man but those days of a fair days work for a fair days pay are long gone and the recording industry in now in the hands of corporate shylocks who are nothing more than gloryfied monelenders, you know this in your heart. If we all do what we know to be right we can all get along fine, I pay for music I want to play back when I choose and thats the way it is, there is no valid arguement to state I should buy music blindly.
Anonymous

How do you do the quotes?

Test
Anonymous

Firefox + video downloadhelper + winff + youtube= bigger music database than limewire
ultraleetj

You know? to all this discussion on pay what you download thing. I am a musician. Independent of course. If I can get a performance, smoething played locally, ETC its much more rewarding to get people to say things to you directly. “congrats on the new album! i just heard it from a friend and I loved it!” . this person never paid for the album but can be darned close to do so. Still, I would rather get support from my fans rather than be out of sync with them completely because i had signed up to the major labels. SUre, the major labes were far more prestigious because you had representatives taking your music all over the world, but their level of greed and hypocrisy is astonishing. If they would have left piracy alone (hey, by teh way, everyone can still tape songs out of the radio, you know?) it would have not wasted so much money o fighting it. They thing it has given restuls. and look, the pirate bay is fine. There are youtube downloaders that convert your fav songs to mp3 . You can rip and copy cds still. you can hmm, connect your digital equipment oto a tv and record. You can get tons of pirated things in Latin America (I am COlombian by the way! so that is why I know) . Mmm lets see, you can still send and receive e-mails and skype and msn file transfers, ETC ! there is just many ways. Its silly, I don’t know what the huge problem is. Plus, we do music because we love it. Most musicians really don’t care about the money. If you love your work, you don’t work anymore. that simple. In any case, I would have felt worse, much much worse! if people start perfroming my music and saying its their composition and not mine. Now THAT is real piracy.
Quartz

@ “John”

I read your post here john and saw the same old corporate biased rhetoric , the same old crap about folks stealing and ripping off the “work” of others, the reality is nothing is ever produced in isolation and its almost certain those behind the “creativity” took something from what came before your words don’t reflect this actual reality and they also don’t reflect the reality of independent recording labels who find that even when they give music away for free some shylock from soundexchange comes out to steal money from those simply publicising it, what is your response to this thievery john ?

I wont hold my breath for any answer of course as you and I both know this is another recording industry attack on independent labels the same as payola is an attack on independent labels.
perhaps you’ll show us what damages where paid by the RIAA member companies to the independents for the damage they caused ?
Not a cent before you go to look.

I wonder how much collection organisations haven’t paid out to artists over the years even though the artists only get paid after the shylocks have taken their 90% of the pie, you are too scared to find that out I,m sure john, the truth here is that artists are being raped by the recording industry and always have been, pretending that a few fans reviewing new mp3′s from their favourite artists are the cause of artist not being paid their royalties by greedy labels and collection agencies and help sustain anti competitive regulation and selfish monopoly are pure BS.
Moi

All I want to know is which one is better?
shitsauce

Bearshare 5.1.0 beta25

Properly configured, it’s the fastest gnutella client on the net, in my opinion.

A good place for download and support:
http://www.technutopia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2002
Johnny

@21

“You know, as someone who has spent the last 25 years running a small family-owned, niche market indy label,”

Probably not true but never mind.

“I can’t help but try and suppress a growing rage, when I think of the fact that I and many others, including a lot of musicians, are wholly dependent on the meager revenue from selling music digitally.”

Yeah sure, what about gigs? Or don’t your label’s musicians play in real life? (Or maybe you don’t really run a label)

“It is very convenient to think of everyone in the revenue stream are fat cats, but you know what? They are all but out of the picture now!”

The fat cats are still buying politicians and eroding our freedoms. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ENRAGES ME!!! And that’s why I don’t want to pay for your shit.

“I just wonder if this was all about organized shoplifting or identity theft, if you all would be so smug and self satisfied with your free p to p services.”

You are assuming that p2p is copyright infringement and that copying is theft. Both assumptions are wrong.

“How about maybe paying for something for Christ’s sake?”

I’d love to pay for something, when I think it’s worth it. Musicians have always made money when people loved their work.

“Keep it up! I hope all of you can whistle really well! Cuz in a free p to p world, that is the music of the future.”

The music of the future is already here:
http://www.jamendo.com/
http://www.magnatune.com/

That doesn’t sound like whistling to me, it sounds like music by artists who love music for the sake of music.
Moi

I am going to remove Limewire from my PC, but I LOVE music…so which one is the best? mp3 or frostwire?
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nickny

Quartz,

Thanks for that, but I gotta say, I don’t hold with your making the decision for me or others that “the days of a fair days work for a fair days pay are long gone” They are certainly gone if we all throw them overboard, otherwise, well – been at it for 25 as I said, and intend to keep going. And if I have a mutually equitable contract with a producer or artist to digitally distribute their work on my label, and we get both revenue from my digital distributor for sales of that download, I just don’t see anything wrong with that or any nobility in people taking it for free, when others are willing to pay for it.
GrX

can we get back on topic of providing alternatives instead of arguing about how much of the fat cats were killing with our downloading habits
Moi

And someone tell me which one is the best to have?
Moi

Forget it. I am going with Frostwire
SL

The authorities did everyone a favour by getting rid of the virus infested service that was limewire.

Now people can move onto proper programs, thanks RIAA!

Even when you win, you lose.
Quartz

@ NickyNY

All the bluster aside Nicky I now the majority of pay for what they enjoy and if this wasn’t the case the recording industry would be belly up by now instead of posting year on year record profits, you cant deny that is the case as its a matter of public record.

I think your simply reiterating the seed of a fear placed at your door by those who seek to enrich themselves at the expense of all, who can argue with a fair and equitable sharing of wealth, the problems been that the share is not fair and not equitable, artists are ripped off daily with unfair contracts and fair and share labels are in the minority, btw I am not making any of your choices for you I,m just setting out my vision of where we are at and why, your view may not reflect mine or even be in the same ballpark but I’m very pleased you took the time to articulate what it was you took exception to and what your view was on the matter.

Any Gnutella client is as good as the next in my book : )
John

Quartz,

I have a news flash for you:

ARTISTS CHOOSE TO SIGN UP WITH MAJOR LABELS.

No one holds a gun to their heads. No one forces them to sign anything. They choose to go that route because major labels provide them with valuable support and services they can’t pull together on their own. That’s what they’re there for.

Why is a “modern” artist like Lady Gaga on a major? Could it be because she never could have afforded or managed all the music videos, costumes, tours, and promotion it took to make her famous on her own?

Same goes for all the other biggest, most popular (for purchasers and pirates) artists.

As for payola, I hope you know it was more the invention of radio station owners than the labels, and regardless, it is now dead and gone:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/payolas-dead-so-why-does-radio-remain-a-wasteland.ars

Why does radio play the same thing every day? Because that’s what average people want to hear. Don’t like it? Listen to a specialty Internet radio station. Again, that is your problem, not the RIAA’s.

Regarding SoundExchange, they are not the first company to f* around on people behind their backs and they won’t be the last. They got caught for it, and they’re making reparations. Your pirating had nothing to do with that.

I read your post here john and saw the same old corporate biased rhetoric , the same old crap about folks stealing and ripping off the “work” of others

I love the way anyone who favors the rights of content creators/owners to sell their content is “corporate biased”. I am not corporate biased. I am biased towards creators’ rights, and against people like you, who would do anything possible to take those rights away.
Johnny

TF:
Please mention Jamendo http://www.jamendo.com/ as an alternative in your article. It’s one of the only TRUE alternatives, 100% legal and free. Music by musicians that truly love music and deserve our support.
Anon

LOLZ @21
First, if ur product is worth money then ppl will pay, dunno who u r tomsay wat ur musics worth to US, my turn:
You OWE mentor this gum u have to buy, $15 please or I sue u. See? Ur stupid.

2nd how dare u even imply music will go away. There was a time before ppl could record things genius…..

How dare you think you have the right to do something once, copy it for nothing, distribute it infinitely, but begrudge others than convenience.

I hqve a REAL JOB. sure it’s somewhat thought based, and yeah I copy and paste a lot. I ALSO GIVE AWAY THE PREMADE SHIT FREE BECAUSE IT’S GOOD PUBLICITY, and if someone wants better service they buy ADDITIONAL TIME from me in the form of Work, consultation, etc.
Quartz

@ John

John wake up please, what rights have I actually taken from you ?

I can list what has been stolen from me lets get started with my privacy, lost due to copyright control mania forced on government by the recording industrys false claims, my cash to pay for overpriced product, my time lost to buying product blind and being disappointed, what I find even more funny is how you complain that I’m downloading and helping myself when I havent even said I do download, lol

Btw downloading is not illegal for your own personal usage in the US, UK or Canada so what is it you are actually complaining about ?

I hope its copyright infringement and your not simply stamping your foot because you cant control the rest of the world.
mQuick

muQuick.com is a good alternative aswell, online, no sign-up, no software, much faster than most others.
http://www.muquick.com
John

lets get started with my privacy, lost due to copyright control mania forced on government by the recording industrys false claims

BS. You can’t even drive through a major intersection in my city without a traffic camera photographing your license plate. You can’t walk into a department store or bank without being video camera recorded. You need a license to drive. A SSN to pay taxes. A health card for medical bills. etc.

Is that the fault of the RIAA too? Exactly what privacy has the RIAA taken from you? If you choose to publicly share your IP on P2P, then that is your choice. No one is making you do it.

my cash to pay for overpriced product

If you think something is overpriced, you put aside more money for it or you do without. It’s not hard.

my time lost to buying product blind and being disappointed

Software has demos, music has YouTube/Myspace/BandSites/etc, movies and games have rentals.

And if you think it’s legal to “share” other peoples’ content on P2P, I hope you will enjoy it when you receive something like this:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/10/us-anti-p2p-law-firms-sue-more-in-2010-than-riaa-ever-did.ars
dan

not here to argue if file sharing is right or wrong. nor do i care. i just want to share files and download them. ty torrentfreak for helping me out with alternatives. :)
number twat

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Quartz

Thanfully John I dont live in the “land-of-the-pretend-free” I live in the UK and we have already seen those despotic groups that are as ignorant as yourself when it comes to an IP being personally identifiable asking me as an internet user to pay for their costs incurred as a result of chasing down suspected infringers, why should anyone have to pay for what is a civil offence over here when the party who is claiming the loss has the revenue to pay the full court costs itself is beyond me, fraud anyone ?

I see you havent come back to me on the legality of downloading so perhaps your ignorant of the laws on that too, let me lay it down again for you, infringement consists of someone distributing material they dont own the copyright to, downloading is not infringement thus what is it your complaining about ?
Anonymous

I stopped using Lime Wire years ago, I don’t think the p2p community has lost anything, Lime Wire wasn’t that good IMO.

as for downloading in general, RIAA and all other companies should just quit this whole anti piracy war thing, all they’ve managed is just create holes in the ocean.
John

Quartz,

If you are identified as distributing files you have no right to via P2P, you deserve your civil lawsuit. If you don’t have the money to pay for that lawsuit, you probably shouldn’t be so flagrantly breaking the law.

As for downloading versus uploading, the convention in law enforcement is to go after distributors first and foremost (ie. in this case: seeders, trackers, and webhosts). I personally agree with that protocol.
J

@42 John
No BB Code on here, buddy. This is WordPress, not your local expensive-looking IPB forum. Sorry ’bout that.
anon

You forgot to mention WinMX. ;)
http://patch.winmxconex.com/
John

This is WordPress, not your local expensive-looking IPB forum. Sorry ’bout that.

Don’t worry J, I figured it out. :)
J

@46
Learn HTML. Use the blockquote tag.
J

Everyone pirates because they can. Sure, you don’t want to buy a CD or digital download, only to discover that its absolute bullshit. So? Sync it onto your iPhone/iPod Touch/Symbian device from Spotify, listen to it everywhere you go, for nothing. If its good, buy it. But you know what? Buy it on fucking CD, because you’ll at least be getting your money’s worth, then. I can download a perfect FLAC rip of the latest Kings of Leon album in 38 seconds, for nothing. Or, I can download a 256K AAC rip from iTunes. Uh, I know which I’d rather get. When digital downloads actually offer what people can get for nothing, i.e. a full product, maybe more people will be interested.
Anonymous

@John The Troll
“You’re not fighting for anything except your own greed and selfish desire to get the results of other peoples’ hard work for free.”

Then explain why study after study has shown that filesharers BUY more music and movies than NON-FILESHARERS do.

Uh oh. That little fact sort of kills your bullshit, doesn’t it?

Sorry, but it isn’t about greed or the selfish desire to get other peoples’ work for free. It’s about the MAFIAA being a bunch of royal assholes. And if some indie label wants to charge $14 for a plastic disc, or release an album in the UK six months after it was released in North America, or pay their artists a 20% cut, or hire the Web Sherriff, or ruin somebody’s life for downloading an mp3, or bribe politicians to do their bidding, then they belong firmly in the “royal asshole” category, too.

Being an indie doesn’t mean that you’re automatically wonderful and great. Too many of them are like mini RIAAs.

@nickny

Go look up Alexander Støver, aka Binärpilot. Torrentfreak ran a story on him earlier this month. He gives away his music for free, and yet he still makes money from it through donations, merchandising, gigs, and ad revenue.

The point is, you’re making a pretty cynical assumption that if people are getting an artist’s work for free, then they won’t support the artist. And that assumption is just all kinds of wrong.

If I think an artist’s work is worth paying for, and I can give money to them without middlemen stealing it, I will. I’m not alone in this.

Also, before you rush to condemn filesharing please realize it’s essentially no different than buying a CD off of eBay, or checking a movie out from a library, or any one of a large number of ways you can enjoy somebody’s work without paying them for it. Except it’s illegal and they’re not for some really tenuous reasons.
Quartz

John your not even in the ballpark fellah.

Let me try again, filesharing is not a criminal offence its a civil one and thus law enforcement is not undertaken by the police as its not a criminal offence, nope, heres the good bit, if its a civil crime you (as the victim of said civil crime)have to make a claim in court (often reffered to as bring “suit” or “law-suit”) and ask the other party to come to court and defend against your claim, thus where law enforcement comes into this is beyond my area of fantasy.

Do yourself a favour, look up relevant laws before pontificating and try to understand what they actually mean in real life, simply reading the riaa’s website is unlikley to equate to or reveal anything in the real world except their agenda to steal off artists and joe public alike.

This article from May looked decent

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/89210/the-limewire-loss-where-to-from-here-alternatives-to-limewire/
JaCk

As a musician,I personally am happy to give my music away,on myspace via links to megaupload and torrent or jamendo. I make enough money from gigs to live reasonably and i don’t see that a real musician should have to have anything more than that to be happy.
John

Then explain why study after study has shown that filesharers BUY more music and movies than NON-FILESHARERS do.

Of course the biggest pirates are also the biggest legitimate consumers. They are the biggest fans.

It has nothing to do with whether you should have a right to rip off creators who don’t want their works “shared” for “free”.

if its a civil crime you (as the victim of said civil crime)have to make a claim in court (often reffered to as bring “suit” or “law-suit”) and ask the other party to come to court and defend against your claim

If you break civil law, you will be tried in civil court. What is the problem? It is illegal whether civil or criminal. And the law is enforced by a judgment either way as well.
Anonymous

21 Oct 27, 2010 at 21:51 by nickny

You know, as someone who has spent the last 25 years running a small family-owned, niche market indy label, I can’t help but try and suppress a growing rage, when I think of the fact that I and many others, including a lot of musicians, are wholly dependent on the meager revenue from selling music digitally. It is very convenient to think of everyone in the revenue stream are fat cats, but you know what? They are all but out of the picture now! I just wonder if this was all about organized shoplifting or identity theft, if you all would be so smug and self satisfied with your free p to p services. How about maybe paying for something for Christ’s sake? Keep it up! I hope all of you can whistle really well! Cuz in a free p to p world, that is the music of the future.
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Playing in a band isn’t a real job, its a fantasy world that your trying to live in and that i dont give a $hit about.

Welcome to the real world. Now shut up and get a job.
Gargamel

21 Oct 27, 2010 at 21:51 by nickny

You know, as someone who has spent the last 25 years running a small family-owned, niche market indy label, I can’t help but try and suppress a growing rage, when I think of the fact that I and many others, including a lot of musicians, are wholly dependent on the meager revenue from selling music digitally. It is very convenient to think of everyone in the revenue stream are fat cats, but you know what? They are all but out of the picture now! I just wonder if this was all about organized shoplifting or identity theft, if you all would be so smug and self satisfied with your free p to p services. How about maybe paying for something for Christ’s sake? Keep it up! I hope all of you can whistle really well! Cuz in a free p to p world, that is the music of the future.
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Playing in a band isn’t a real job, its a fantasy world that your trying to live in and that i dont give a $hit about.

Welcome to the real world. Now shut up and get a job.
John

Playing in a band isn’t a real job, its a fantasy world that your trying to live in and that i dont give a $hit about.

Welcome to the real world. Now shut up and get a job.

Do you feel the same way about all IP or just music? What about games?

“Piracy makes games not even worth making, says God of War developer”

“Ready at Dawn: piracy hurts a lot of developers”?

I guess that just means they’re not “real” artists. If they were, they’d just do it for free and be happy you want to play. Are you surprised they don’t want to?

Welcome to the real world.
Redial

This John fellow sounds like some capitalist with an 18th century mentality, very far behind our social and creative development. I don’t particularly think he’s ignorant about what we free spirits are all about, which is why I think he’s just behind a pathetic failing agenda.

His points are lacking substance – For every one person that doesn’t sign on to a record label, 8 others will, because yeah, there’s a lot of money involved in bullshit pyramid schemes, playing lame re-run 4 chord songs over and over again is huge business and oh my god it needs to be protected!!! -.-

All in all, I would want my $15.00 an album to go directly to the artists, not a middle man, the middle man does not have the same effect on me as the artist. The reality here is that artists signed to a major record label get just a few cents each album sold – big labels are the only thief’s in this situation, since they create the illusion that 70 megabytes is worth $15, they create the illusion that you’re not talented unless you’re a multi-millionaire.

And while I totally loath Gaga, even I know that her costumes didn’t cost that much money to put together… This guy sounds trapped worshiping the holy dollar, very sad – the rest of us well, jam out :P It’s all about the music, it is its own value – anyone telling you otherwise is trying to nudge their hand in your pocket.
Lol

Why would someone want an alternative to a slow, virus ridden piece of crap?
John

All in all, I would want my $15.00 an album to go directly to the artists, not a middle man, the middle man does not have the same effect on me as the artist. The reality here is that artists signed to a major record label get just a few cents each album sold – big labels are the only thief’s in this situation, since they create the illusion that 70 megabytes is worth $15, they create the illusion that you’re not talented unless you’re a multi-millionaire.

Yeah, of course. Piracy is an attack on big corporations because big corporations are evil, right? Oh wait, then why do people pirate from indies with 5-10 employees just as much? Why do they pirate from app developers who are writing code in their bedrooms?

Maybe because it has nothing to do with anti-corporatism at all?

And while I totally loath Gaga, even I know that her costumes didn’t cost that much money to put together…

Hundreds of handmade, custom outfits from famous fashion designers do not come for the cost of raw fabric.

As for you loathing her, I don’t much enjoy what she does either. But she is one of the most pirated, and paid for, artists out there today, so obviously she’s done something right.

There is no way she could have put those videos, promotions, styles, and releases together if she was just a solo artist in a bedroom begging for change online, like some of you fantasize all artists should be.
Quartz

Your not defending the creators John your simply defending the shylocks aka the fat cat recording execs.

You make my point nicely once again, just why should joe off the street be forced to pay extra because some recording industry slobs cant be bothered to pay the costs involved with bringing law suits ?
By asking the UK public to help bankroll their extortion program they are in effect opening the door to yet more frivolous lititgation, one has to wonder if these groups where so sure of their “facts” just why they dont bring any cases to court in the UK and is this the reason why they wanted the law bent by corrupt politicians like “lord” mandellson to ensure the deck was loaded in their favour ?

I say the fat and the lazy RIAA members should do a days work just for once so they know just what it involves, like the rest of us have to and stop bribing politicians in the UK and the US (orrin hatch anyone ?), one also wonders why no one investigates those criminal political activities that do more damage than a few 99 cent downloads doing the rounds.
bob saget

86th
Anonymous

This suck i am not computer savy and i loved limewire cause it took all my songs i downloaded and put on my i tunes i didnt have to do anything but download songs now i have to figure out anthor soultion. I am pissed if its the copyright laws well then they should go after everyone what about bit torrent you can download movies that just came out in theaters.
shannon

This suck i am not computer savy and i loved limewire cause it took all my songs i downloaded and put on my i tunes i didnt have to do anything but download songs now i have to figure out anthor soultion. I am pissed if its the copyright laws well then they should go after everyone what about bit torrent you can download movies that just came out in theaters.
Redial

No, you’re structuring the whole thing in the wrong ways, “piracy” (which isn’t relevant to what we’re talking about, but I’ll use the word for your sakes) is NOT an attack on big corporations, only corporatists think that.

People share indie music because the solid truth here is that intellectual property is recognized (obviously by the majority of our culture, not just me..) as a nonsensical ideal. A failed attempt at putting content into little boxes with labels on them to facilitate recognized achievements – this is childish behavior as far as I’m concerned, if it is public, it is everyone’s, I don’t mix tracks for my own amusement, music supplements social activity, you want to worship the stage that’s fine, but all good musicians know that the listener and speaker are one in the same. Sorry if that’s too zen for you or anything.

Your arguments aren’t unlike what someone brings up in every TF article.. We’re tired of reading about what doesn’t apply to anything anymore.

Limiting media in a system of virtually unlimited resources is insanity.
John

Your not defending the creators John your simply defending the shylocks aka the fat cat recording execs.

Why do you have so much animosity towards the wealthy? Do you hate rich sports stars as much? CEO’s of gas companies? Pharms?

I would bet on average the pirates are far fatter and lazier than the guys who bust their hump every day to produce the entertainment you take for granted.

As for taxes, that is how it always works. eg. I pay extra taxes so Joe Schmo can eat pizza and coke until he gets diabetes and needs publicly funded heart surgery.

If you don’t like public programs, move to Nigeria.
Freedom

@shannon
You can search Google for an iTunes replacement; I particularly like using the open-source software, Songbird (http://www.getsongbird.com/). It works just like Firefox (with plug-ins and all that jazz).

@John
I think the biggest flaw in all your arguments is that you’re forgetting the unfortunate fact that laws are not written by God or by an unbiased legislation. They are almost always written by politicians who have been in bed with corporations, figuratively speaking (and in some cases, even literally speaking – ie. Sarkozydouche).

But we cant change your mind or impose our views on you, and I suppose same goes for you. To each his/her own.

Cheers!
Anonymous

argh.. John is right.
After reading all his perfect and well thought arguments, I’ve decided to repent and stop sharing/uploading all over the places (warez, ftp, torrents).

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Not! :P
jon7272

to 90 john yes i hate them just as much lol
Torturor

I like using VK and this addon
https://addons.mozilla.org/af/firefox/addon/151188/
Quick and easy mp3″s aye
Gargamel

I guess that just means they’re not “real” artists. If they were, they’d just do it for free and be happy you want to play. Are you surprised they don’t want to?
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So your argument is to put words in my mouth and make up your own bullshit to try and back it up. ROFL.
Cyko_01

If you are looking for something that is stupid simple then you want ares galaxy. My 50yr old dad loves it and he can barely check his email!

If you want something a little more sophisticated then try shareaza which can connect to the Gnutella network among many others.
Anonymous

@John The Troll
“Of course the biggest pirates are also the biggest legitimate consumers. They are the biggest fans.”

Yup. And as I mentioned before, the fact that the biggest pirates are also the biggest legitimate consumers kills your bullshit that filesharing is about greed and the selfish desire to get the results of other peoples’ hard work for free.

It also makes your righteous indignation pretty funny. If pirates are the best customers, then what on Earth is your problem with them?

Congratulations. You’ve contradicted your own arguments and painted yourself into a corner.

@John The Troll
“Oh wait, then why do people pirate from indies with 5-10 employees just as much?”

But, as you put it, the biggest pirates are also the biggest legitimate consumers. So they’re not just pirating from small indies, they’re also *financially supporting* small indies. Moreso than regular, law abiding consumers do. In otherwords, it isn’t even a problem.

See what I mean about having painted yourself into a corner? You aren’t very smart.

@John The Troll
“But she is one of the most pirated, and paid for, artists out there today”

So being one of the most pirated artists doesn’t stop Lady Gaga from also being one of the most paid for artists? Oh my God. What a damning condemnation of piracy. You make it sound so… So unspeakably evil… Something has to be done to stop it! IT’LL DESTROY THE WHOLE MUSIC INDUSTRY AT THIS RATE!! SAVE US, BATMAN!

@John The Troll
“I would bet on average the pirates are far fatter and lazier than the guys who bust their hump every day to produce the entertainment you take for granted.”

Pirates can’t be all that fat and lazy considering they buy more music, movies and games than non-pirates do, on average. Those guys who bust their hump every day to produce the entertainment we “take for granted”? We’re their biggest customers.

@John The Troll
“If you don’t like public programs, move to Nigeria.”

“Reform” isn’t part of your vocabulary, I see. Neither is “democracy”. “Plutocracy” seems to be right up your alley, though.
dingdong

lol who cares limewire was for idiots and pedos oh and it was an awful piece of software.
NeoMind

I’m kind of new with the internets but I have some questions. First, you wouldn’t download Nutella if you could, would you? Ok, so the death of Limewire soda is here, I understand that part. But what about those poor workers in the chocolate factory? Shouldn’t they be paid for their hard work? Secondly, what exactly are bears sharing on BearShare? Nutella or honey? How are the honeybees compensated? Are the bears just stealing it? They’re cute and cuddly but this is all so confusing! Lastly, is Frostwire a Nutella flavored ice cream and do eMules eat it too? I thought they only ate carrots…
tonylmaner@aol.com

Password: r5t6y78

Some other service/app like LimeWire, only better, will surface in the not-too-distant future. We are ready.
Hublist Huey

ApexDC++ and Bittorrent. Oh ya, this is a great website that searches a bunch of file hosting websites http://rapidsearch.infobind.com/
Machoo_PurO

What Abour file hosters RS MU HF FS…. they are really good for finding music i got some of the rarest n old albums frm it and it.s 2 most prefrred way of sharing files and if want to spend money then der premium services are way better then that fkin uselessnet aka usenet …!
Anonymous

@80 John

“she is one of the most pirated, and paid for, artists out there today”

‘Nuff said, I think.
Brandon

Tpb is at 29 million right now. Wait till these poor displaced limewire people will be heading there… Just turn them into seeders and help everydbody out… lol…
Anonymous

@86 John

“Why do you have so much animosity towards the wealthy? Do you hate rich sports stars as much? CEO’s of gas companies? Pharms?”

Why, yes. Yes I do.

The wage-disparity in the world, and within individual countries, is way out of control. That “rich sports star” does nothing to enrich my life, nor do they bring any discernible enrichment to the world as a whole, and the money they earn bears no relation to any actual benefit they provide to anyone except for a limited number of other self-serving and self-interested individuals.

They, and all the other examples you mention, are symptoms of the greedy, capitalist society we have produced; where Cash Is King, where someone’s ‘worth’ is measured purely in monetary terms, where fame is pursued purely for its own sake, and where second-rate ‘artists’ can be revered and paid more in a year or two than the man who keeps my streets clean and sanitary could hope to achieve in their lifetime. That’s only until, of course, the Big Media Marketing Machine deems that they have served their immediate purpose and casts them aside to make way for The Next Big Hit.

Now, I don’t mind paying for my streets to be cleaned and I’m grateful to those who do it, they are doing a thankless job for little pay, but I do resent a system which rewards the few who have the power and influence whilst ignoring, or at best sidelining, those who actually provide a needed service.

Download music and movies? You can bet your life people do, and that they will surely continue to do so whilst this sorry state of affairs continues.
Anonymous

i just like to listen to music!
phishybongwaters

@Nickny

Wow. Isn’t it funny that in reality, piracy has opened up the playing field for indie artists, yet we’ve got a self proclaimed indie artist here complaining about it.

the fact is, you are an indie artist, you should be happy if your work shows up on a popular site because that’s a nice load of free PR for you, and as the studies have indicated, will probably get some cash put right into your pockets.
“Pirates” are some of the heaviest consumers of electronics, computers, movies, music and games. Most of “us” support what we think deserves it. If I wasn’t able to download hundreds of movies, or hundreds of mp3s, I surely wouldn’t have vast stacks of retail disks cluttering my apartment. The ability to “pirate” directly impacts my purchases.

Only the fringe act as spoiled little kids demanding things for free while claiming to be fighting something, they can never narrow down what they are fighting, but yes, they are fighting for something.

Most of the “indie” artists complaining about MILLIONS of people listening to their work, are the ones that suck.

Yes, the current industry makes it hard for indie artists to “make it” and by make it, I obviously mean live a life of luxury on the profits of whatever latest crap they are slinging. The pirates aren’t the problem there, the closed manufactured music industry is the problem.

The music lovers here ARE fighting against that, the only way they can, holding back the money and supporting indie artists they like.

Beyond that, the real fight is for the freedom of the internet. If we let them look through our underwear drawer to protect us from, oh, child porn and illegal downloads, we’ve given up much more than you might think.

Some of us DO feel for the people in your position, and so we choose to support you.

There are always going to be jerks that simply want stuff for free and screw everyone involved, moaning isn’t going to solve that.

As someone already said, get a real job. Not everyone is going to be in the Rolling Stones. Not everyone is Lady Gaga (thank god) the fact is, most people getting into the music industry are doing it for the wrong reasons, and for some reason think they should have instant success and never work a real day the rest of their lives.

Maybe you should talk to some of the artists that essentially created this industry. They’ll tell you how they play a gig friday, the worked a crappy day job the rest of the week, fighting their way up.

What makes YOU think you deserve any better? We get that you are an “artist”, but aren’t you willing to work for it? As a musician myself, I’d much rather support some local guys, playing gigs, working their balls off than some complaining jerk demanding success.

The only good things in life are earned. If you embrace this wave, you can ride it.

You are feeling exactly what some were feeling when cassettes first came out, then cds. The profits will disappear, I’ll actually have to work and tour and BE an artist instead of just saying I’m an artist.

Almost every NFO (info file included with pirated releases) suggests supporting the people who made it, be it movie, game, tv, or music. In some cases, us dirty thoughtless pirates hold back bonus content for no other reason than to force people to support the work to get it. Some indie artists, that took a more liberal stance towards this also noticed concerted donation efforts made by those dirty scummy pirates.

In any event, you’ve obviously come to the wrong spot to complain about piracy. Your opinion is valid and noted, but it’s not going to make much of a difference.

As a musician who also has a real job, I can’t help but wonder what it would be like to say work 1 day, then live off the royalties of that 1 day of work for a few months, wouldn’t that be fantastic?

I guess that’s what separates pirates from artists, pirates at least expect to have to work for what they want in life, even if that work is merely looking for a valid torrent
1423

A better link for older LimeWire versions:

http://oldapps.com/limewire.php

The latest version that’s still working is 5.5.10:

http://oldapps.com/limewire.php?old_limewire=64
Anon

lol @ john trying to spin off half truths and bs throughout his comments. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was neotroll.

Your claims and arguments are BS. This isnt a level playground like you think it is, just read a few f*cking TF articles. You sit there and paint a picture of ‘everything is fine, just buy stuff and accept the perfect set of rules’.

Just because your a moron who would jump off a bridge if the government told you it was a good idea, doesn’t mean we have to.

You cant accept reality. Sure in theory we should have a fair market place and nobody should get screwed over.

BUT WE DONT. SO STFU. P2P will never go away, deal with it or GTFO.
Anon7

I think of it like this. How many times are consumers supposed to buy the same music in different formats? Now they want us to buy Digital Content with DRM for the same prices as Physical Media? Really?
anon

http://leech2seed.com

Come grab all the latest torrents @ the fastest speeds.
anon

http://leech2seed.info

Come grab all the latest torrents @ the fastest speeds.
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Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV

I use Frostwire when there’s the occasional odd song I want, and don’t feel like the whole album is worth it.
John

Sure in theory we should have a fair market place and nobody should get screwed over.

BUT WE DONT. SO STFU. P2P will never go away, deal with it or GTFO.

In other words, it’s an immoral world, so we should all aspire to be immoral as well? Again, the nobility of the pirate crowd knows no bounds.

As for P2P going away, no one needs it to. If you prefer, you can always be sued or face ISP disconnection for your use. I’m sure your parents will enjoy that.

“she is one of the most pirated, and paid for, artists out there today”

‘Nuff said, I think.

Yes, it proves that contrary to their claims that the RIAA only releases crap no one wants, pirates actually enjoy the exact same content as legitimate customers. They just don’t pay.

If pirates are the best customers, then what on Earth is your problem with them?

So if half the time you see someone they give you a hug and half the time you see them they punch you in the gut, you should just smile and be happy they hug you every now and again?

Buying sometimes does not excuse pirating most of the time. There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind they would be buying more if they didn’t pirate.

Piracy as promotion is a fallacy. It works for unknowns. That’s about it.

If you tell all your friends how awesome something is, how does that help if they just all go pirate it as well?

“Reform” isn’t part of your vocabulary, I see. Neither is “democracy”. “Plutocracy” seems to be right up your alley, though.

Contrary to what you would like to pretend, most musicians, engineers, and label employees are quite poor. “Punishing” 99% of them because the CEO of a major corporation (like every CEO of every major corporation) makes a big income is ridiculous.
Pond

I may be way off in left field here, but perhaps it is time for a change, How about this..
Artists: Throw off those record labels.. follow the grassroots Indie crowd and release direct to your web page. Let the viral nature of the web sell your music at a lower price and earn a higher percentage!
Music lovers: Get great music for a good value!
Rather than railing at and fighting with the RIAA, I would love to see them obsolete!
zipper

Spotify all the way. :)
Anonymous

@John The Troll
“Yes, it proves that contrary to their claims that the RIAA only releases crap no one wants, pirates actually enjoy the exact same content as legitimate customers. They just don’t pay.”

Pirates don’t pay? Sorry, but they do.

Though they infringe copyright, pirates are also the biggest legitimate consumers not only according to numerious studies, but also according to yourself. Or did you forget that you said “the biggest pirates are also the biggest legitimate consumers”?

You’re contradicting yourself again.

@John The Troll
“So if half the time you see someone they give you a hug and half the time you see them they punch you in the gut, you should just smile and be happy they hug you every now and again?”

Punching somebody in the gut hurts them. Downloading their music for free doesn’t, especially considering that pirates, those nasty people doing the downloading, are actually the music industry’s best customers. So if they like the music they just downloaded, they’re likely to turn around and buy it in order to support the artist(that is, if it’s a case where buying it actually does support the artist). If they didn’t like it, then nothing was lost as they never would have purchased it just to *see* if it was good in the first place.

@John The Troll
“Buying sometimes does not excuse pirating most of the time. ”

The fact that pirates buy more music, movies, and games than non-pirates do easily excuses their piracy. Pirates are more valuable to each respective industry than lawful consumers are.

And therein the hilarity of your bullshit. By advocating the suing and disconnection of pirates, you’re advocating ROBBING MULTIPLE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES OF THEIR BIGGEST CUSTOMERS.

In the name of fake damage inflicted on artists by piracy, you want to inflict very real damage on artists by taking away their greatest financial supporters.

Yeah, John. You’re a master of reason.

@John The Troll
“Piracy as promotion is a fallacy. It works for unknowns. That’s about it.”

Piracy as a promotion is a fallacy! But wait, if it works for unknowns, then piracy as a promotion certianly isn’t a fallacy. It’s a reality.

Nice job. Not just contradicting yourself *again*, but in the same sentence, too! You deserve some kind of award. Your comments are the most self-defeating I’ve ever read.

Oh, and free music also works as a promotion for well established artists, too. See Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails. So actually, piracy as a promotions works for both knowns *and* unknowns. My my, what a terrible plague it is.

@John The Troll
“Contrary to what you would like to pretend, most musicians, engineers, and label employees are quite poor.”

Oh, I know most musicians, engineers, and label employees are quite poor. I also know it’s because the record labels pay them peanuts while the executives and upper management scoop up 90% of the profits for themselves. Although the only ones I feel bad about getting ripped off by the labels are the artists. I don’t really care about engineers or other empoyees, owing to the fact that record labels are about as obsolete today as buggywhips are.

Pouring money into the coffers of wealthy CEOs because a few pennies might trickle down to the guys and girls who do all the work is not only ridiculous, it’s offensive. You certainly do love yourself a nice plutocracy, you really do. “Help the poor by giving your money to rich crooks! They’ll throw some tablescraps to the peons!”

No, I think I’d rather give my money directly to the artists and bypass the middlemen entirely, thanks.

Pond gets it. You don’t.
?

If an musician doesn’t want his music heard for free, then they shouldn’t allow it to be copied. Don’t make CD’s. Sell your music live instead. Simple. Now go whine somewhere else.
DERP

How to tell if someone is a MAFIAA troll:
They use “piracy” instead of “sharing”.
They say every form of sharing is illegal.
They say that sharing is the same as stealing.
They spout something about the artist’s hard work.

What they don’t tell is that the major labels get 95% (or even more) of the money made from the artist’s hard work. Wanna support your favorite artist? Go to the live performances, if he’s still playing.
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DoctorMouse

@56

This is a little late I suppose, but thanks for mentioning Jamendo. What an awesome site, just what I’ve been looking for since I’ve gotten into indie music.

Anyhows, RIP Limewire. I never knew thee, but nonetheless…
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Kaptain Krunch

Why would anyone use Limewire when they could use open sourced add free Frostwire anyway?
Toast

Funny no mention of Direct Connect even though many here consider it outdated and stagnate..

although the next generation direct connect called Advanced Direct Connect holds some future hope for the application and hubsoftware

http://www.adcportal.com
Britty

Guvera is another alternative, which has recently started up and is a pretty different model. Basically though, the music is already paid for so you can download it for free, but legally.

At first it didn’t have much music but it has improved loads in the last while, and won’t be shut down since it’s not ‘sharing’ or illegal.
aschofsk

The funny thing is many of the bands/labels that screams about the piracy is killing their income I have not even heard about, probably because they suck, embrace the internet, embrace guerilla marketing, make a connection with the fans and they will pay you back in either money or free marketing.
An0nYm0uS

I didn’t bother to read the list or details as most are already known and as useless as Limewire.
Might I mention that every time you create a topic pointing to “new” programs or sites they usually end up shutting down or being the next targets for the anti piracy groups?
This never seems to get old now…
RIAAsoned Mind

It’s not like I’m a shill or anything but I feel sorry for the poor record executives who can no longer afford the finest cocaine money can buy. I blame you pirates for this! Stop sharing copies without actually removing anything, you thieves! It’s stealing and you all know it!
Limewire support

There is a work around to Limewire. It does in fact still work. Just use your heads.
Anonymous

You can also use Mediafire or Filestube.
speedy11131

People still use VirusWire?

hahahaha
Anonymous

A great alternatives to LimeWire is limewire itself.

The source code for Limewire is out.

So this mean that the development for Limewire will continue.
NOT lul

off-topic, but valid given the focus of this site.

-for those of you living in usa consider signing an online petition to dissuade your local chambers of commerce from following the will of the US chamber of commerce. the address is here in plaintext.
http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/

thank you.
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sukkzz

i loved limewire the day i used it for the first time!
my friend showed me a way i can download any mp3 song in the world from one place for FREE and it was limewire!!
well after limewire i came to know about torrents but i still have the impression of limewire and its VERY sad that limewire is no more..
Uni

To produce a 15-track CD with only one hit song, wouldn’t be called a theft?

Before the Napster Era, I bought $3000+ in CDs; fortunately, most of them were compilations.

Today’s “artists” (whinners), how about to create a social fund and give away 50% of your royalties, earned with the help of the musical knowledge developed on the Renaisance Period, and later, and given away to you for free?
Abe

Too bad all the bands on Jamendo suck.

Your model fails.
Tyler

This is no suprise to me…The RIAA has been going after anything having to do with P2P for years now (really, ever since the original napster)…Im my opinion, ITS GETTING OLD!! Think about it..When one program closes, another 20 open up…All the RIAA did was make everyone switch to another program such as Frostwire…Using programs like Limewire is the same as borrowing a CD from a friend and Copying it for yourself…SAME PRINCAPLE!!! See, the Music Industry is not losing money because of programs like Limewire, they are losing money due to their own stupidity…Hear me out, Most of the stuff that is craped out of the Music Industry today 90% of it is crap..Who would buy a whole cd now when there is only 1 song out of the whole CD they like…If the Music Idustry would make buying CD’s cheaper then more people would buy them…That of coarse will never happen thats why P2P will be around long after the RIAA/MPAA decide to give up after fighting a losing war…You also have to factor in that the Music Industry makes tons of money other ways such as Radio Publicity, Internet, Concerts, etc. The List is huge…Yes, they may have won when they took down a few well known programs such as Morpheus, Kazza, The Original Napster, The Original Bearshare, etc…The list goes on and on…That doesnt matter though because there is always another source that is designed around what you already use..The developers of Limewire Made frostwire shortly after all the lawsuits to have a failsafe incase this happened…Well, even though they cant charge people for frostwire, the people over at Limewire LLC. are still making profit not in money but people using their products…The point is, the actions that the RIAA took against Limewire was useless…So agree with me when I say Good Job RIAA, another useless victory in a losing battle with P2P. May all your hopes and dreams of P2P dying be destroyed forever…Notice the sarcasm…On a serious note and my final thought…P2P will never die..It has been around since the days of Windows 98 being a new OS…So my statement to anyone looking to sue P2P programs for Frivelous alligations, here is what I have to say…If you dont like P2P, THEN MOVE OUT OF THE USA CAUSE US P2P USERS ARENT GOING ANYWHERE SO GET USE TO IT!!!
THEMAN

frostwire doesnt work anymore either, just a heads up
Anon

Theres still Plenty of Torrents.com
and eMule.
Stephen

Download the Gnutella.net from the frostwire site and replace the file in your c:\Users\username\Appdata\Roaming\Limewire folder. This will allow Limewire to connect again!!!! I have tried it.
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bamfan5520

@THEMAN FORSTWIRE DOES WORK!!! I TRIED IT TODAY!! WHAT ARE YOU DUMB!!! Go to frostwire.com and see for yourself before you make dumb statements like that…
@Stephen I just tried doing your frostwire to limewire trick, it actually does work…Wow, who would have thought replacing the network protocol of a program would make it work again…Thanks for the tip!
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Anonymous

@115 major labels get 95%……They get a damn site more than that….Register in an offshore co and don`t pay taxes……Just like the majority of so called successful bands!!!!!!!!!Bloody hypocrites!!!!!They have been pirating their communities for a bloody lot longer than those they refer to as pirates!!!!!!!
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My apologies for the double post. :) u can remove 1e one. thank you.
LacalaRon

Stephen at 134.
I have uninstalled Lime wire should I re-install it or install Frostwire and then change the name to c:\Users\username\Appdata\Roaming\Limewire

LacalaRon
Lee

Just wanted to add another alternative… The article mentions Direct Connect. Here are the list of popular and active DC programs:

http://www.apexdc.net
http://dcplusplus.sourceforge.net/

There’s a friendly community inside DC due to the ‘chat while you download’ mentality.
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