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Grooveshark Prepares To Unmask Anonymous ‘Whistleblower’

As both sides in the forthcoming Universal Music versus Grooveshark copyright infringement lawsuit prepare to do battle, a warning shot has been sounded across the bows of the currently anonymous individual whose comments set off the legal chain reaction. The alleged Grooveshark whistleblower could be unmasked following a request not from Universal, but from Grooveshark’s legal team.

Whether intended or not, a lowly user comment posted to Digital Music News during October has seen its online status upgraded from mere footnote, to the basis of what could be the largest music copyright infringement suit since LimeWire.

In his or her comment the individual claimed to be a somewhat disgruntled Grooveshark employee, outlining claims of copyright infringement at the company which if true would destroy any safe harbor protection Grooveshark might have enjoyed.

The claims were picked up by Universal Music and referenced heavily in their recently filed lawsuit against Grooveshark, one which the company says it will fight.

Of course, everyone wants to know who the anonymous commenter is, if only to assess their credibility. Surprisingly, though, the first indication that there could soon be a subpoena to find out hasn’t come from plaintiffs Universal.

“While [Grooveshark parent] Escape [Media Group] certainly denies those allegations, and believes that Universal’s lawsuit has no merit, the anonymous comment in your publication, and related information, may be important to the lawsuit,” wrote Grooveshark’s legal counsel Marshall Custer in correspondence with Digital Music News this week.

“As a result, I must request that you preserve all electronic information and any other records related to that comment, as it can be reasonably anticipated that either Grooveshark or Universal may find it necessary to subpoena such information as the case progresses,” he concludes.

The big question now is what information Digital Music News keeps on its commenters. In order to stop spam and abuse many sites carry IP address information, and if these can be paired with a usable timestamp Grooveshark could then move to the next stage – sending a subpoena to the individual’s ISP in order to obtain their identity – or at least the identity of the person paying the bill.

To date only Grooveshark has indicated they would seek information from DMN.

“Oddly, Universal Music Group has never contacted us regarding this comment, either before or after the legal filing,” says DMN founder Paul Resnikoff.

One can only speculate on the reasons for Universal’s apparent lack of interest in obtaining the individual’s identity, but sometimes the fog of war needs to lift before a precise strategy and what people already know is truly revealed.

So until then the question remains: Is the currently anonymous commenter a genuine whistleblower or simply malicious? The legal difference may yet prove interesting.

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  • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

    I am a somewhat disgruntled Universal Music employee………

    I wrote that comment……

    • Captain Buzzoverinthehead DFC

      I’m Spartacus!

      • Oomg

        I’m Spartacus!

        • It’s a fit-up

          I’m Spartacus and so’s my wife.

        • Anonymous

          I’m a GrooveShark employee and so is my wife, children, goldfish & hamster.

        • Ven

          No, I am Queen Amidala.

        • bi3425f

          I’m Sportacus!

        • bi3425f

          I’m Sportacus!

      • Anonymous

        @readers:disqus  my neighbor’s sister-in-law made $182416 so far just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this site…http://y.ahoo.it/OjyKK

        • Guest

          You little rascal, you almost fooled me there.

      • Anonymous

        @readers:disqus  my classmate’s aunt makes $75/hour on the laptop. She has been without a job for 2 months but last month her paycheck was $7174 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this web site http://y.ahoo.it/OjyKK

  • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

    I am a somewhat disgruntled Universal Music employee………

    I wrote that comment……

  • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

    I am a somewhat disgruntled Universal Music employee………

    I wrote that comment……

  • Maf

    Universal Music`s ceo and cf0 have uploaded many terabytes of grade a porn and music from sony music to thepiratebay.org

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      the anonymous commenter ?

      It’s you !

    • QuadSlacker

      Q: What’s the difference between paying for Sony music and paying for grade-A pornography?

      A: The person getting fucked

    • QuadSlacker

      Q: What’s the difference between paying for Sony music and paying for grade-A pornography?

      A: The person getting fucked

  • Anonymous

    Well if these anonymous comments are untrue then this is a simple case of libel or not so simple when such highly targeted information was aimed to be very damaging and very costly on the damages front.

    It is true to say that GrooveShark or Universal could get a court order to force this website to hand over all the details they have about this user including; name, email, age, all logs and most importantly their IP address. Whatever he or she freely gave up when they signed-up. From these details they could obtain a 2nd court order to be able to name and shame this very person.

    Under the law a person has the right to anonymity unless they are believed to have broken the law Much unbelievable crap does go around the Net but we can see how critical this one became and how libellous it could well be;

    Well the day of name and shame approaches where we will be able to see who exactly this person is and who they work for. I would find it unbelievable that Universal could reference this information without already validating who said.

    • The Aussie

      It IS universal afterall… A media/entertainment company making outrageous claims and participating in tom-foolery isnt anything new, nor unexpected

      • Anonymous

        We can speculate all we want but it won’t help any.

        It is very true the copyright cartel can lie all the way from blog comments all the way up to petitions to the EU commission. Nothing can come as a surprise there and this case is very damaging to GrooveShark in the larger media. Even if no serious journalist would ever publish these details without first validating the source. They of course now can as part of this court case.

        My theory though is that this anonymous poster is in fact a musician. This is then someone who is already mad at GrooveShark concerning their DMCA take-down system and has posted what they “assume” is their internal operation.

        I would find it hard to believe that GrooveShark would knowingly violate DMCA law when being on the edge of the law already they should have a large team of lawyers making clear what is lawful, unlawful and untested.

        That said I am also aware that some business owners can both live on the edge and be reckless leading to eventual court punishment. That is rare though and they usually get spanked, relocate and continue where they left off.

        This case is like some real life soap opera where all parties can be seen as shady and we have to wait and see who is the biggest turd in the punch bowl.

  • Anonymous

    Here is what this person said on DMN…

    Visitor Monday, October 17, 2011

    I work for Grooveshark. Here is some information from the trenches:

    We are assigned a predetermined ammount of weekly uploads to the system and get a small extra bonus if we manage to go above that (not easy).The assignments are assumed as direct orders from the top to the bottom, we don’t just volunteer to “enhance” the Grooveshark database.

    All search results are monitored and when something is tagged as “not available”, it get’s queued up to our lists for upload. You have to visualize the database in two general sections: “known” stuff and “undiscovered/indie/underground”. The “known” stuff is taken care internally by uploads. Only for the “undiscovered” stuff are the users involved as explained in some posts above. Practically speaking, there is not much need for users to upload a major label album since we already take care of this on a daily basis.

    Are the above legal, or ethical? Of course not. Don’t reply to give me a lecture. I know. But if the labels and their laywers can’t figure out how to stop it, then I don’t feel bad for having a job. It’s tough times.

    Why am I disclosing all this? Well, I have been here a while and I don’t like the attitude that the administration has aquired against the artists. They are the enemy. They are the threat. The things that are said internally about them would make you very very angry. Interns are promised getting a foot in the music industry, only to hear these people cursing and bad mouthing the whole industry all day long, to the point where you wonder what would happen if Grooveshark get’s hacked by Anonymous one day and all the emails leak on some torrent or something.

    And, to confirm the fears of the members of King Crimson, there is no way in hell you can get your stuff down. They are already tagged since you sent in your first complaint. The administration knows that you can’t afford to sue for infringement.

    It seems this user named Visitor has since asked DMN to remove his/her comments but that so won’t happen.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      It wreaks of a shill comment….
      The wording..the phrasing…the lack of evidence for any accusation…

      • Anonymous

        You could well be right when it does pose a good question of if this was really a GrooveShark employee annoyed at their internal operation and saying how the likes of UMG can do nothing to stop them then why not take the stand and bring fair justice to the benefit of thousands of musicians?

        Losing his/her job is hardly a reason. Being UMG’s star witness can easily get them another better paid job in some UMG sub-company. This person could in fact milk them for more if that was their desire such as a nice 5 star hotel stay and all the food and drink they want. UMG after all is willing to spend millions to take GrooveShark down.

        Well at minimum DMN have their IP address which they would store for anti-spam reasons and more. DMN should already have an idea how valid this person is from a reverse DNS look-up. That is unless they used VPN or an anonymous proxy and so few people do that.

        What does surprise me is that there are over a dozen postings from someone named Visitor in that thread and I would find it hard to believe that anyone can be drunk or tired enough to go from missing capitalization and punctuation up to this skilled testimony to the English language.

    • Fuckgoogle

      i saw who killed JFK it was space aliens….what i dont need to show proof i can just ramble on for ever …..

      • Ven

        You don’t have to: this one guy one time posted about it on that new-fangled thing called the internetters. Just send doubters his direction for all the proof they need.

  • Anonymous

    would be interesting if it turned out that whoever is responsible for posting the comments were a ‘Universal Music Group’ plant. could be the reason Universal didn’t file to get that info from the ISP or DMN. after all, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time the entertainment industries have posted info themselves, simply to be able to use that info to condemn ‘piracy’.

    • Anonymous

      I so hope that the person turns out to be one of Universals lawyers. That would make my day.

    • Anonymous

      It seems more likely that UMG know already that these comments are likely to be false but they use them anyway simply because they are damaging to GrooveShark.

      UMG then prefer to roll the dice in court to see how they turn out.

      This can be little more than a muck raking exorcise and to cast sleaze on to GrooveShark making them look like an unlawful business. UMG can then use such public assumptions in further political action.

      So now GrooveShark need to quickly prove their innocence before they are slandered from the Net to Congress. We can hope people keep highly critical of the facts but not all do.

      • Lulz

        I’ll laugh my ass off if Grooveshard sues UMG for defamation because of this lawsuit if it turns out to not be a Grooveshark employee (which I highly doubt it is).

    • ZorbaTheGeek

      Yes, they constantly post here on TF under various guises – Anon, Benjamin Stroud, Neostyles, ReasonedMind among others.

  • townie2

    i bet the “whistle blower’s” info mysteriously disappears making it impossible to id him/her.

  • Jimbo

    Universal hasn’t asked for the identity because they already know who made the post. After all, the poster is employed at Universal.

    • Anonymous

      You are correct that UMG have never once asked DMN for any details to validate this user which goes to show how much faith they have in these comments which they still use as a major part of this court complaint.

      The only people to ask DMN to protect this data pending a court subpoena is GrooveShark.

      As to DMN then when the original comment was made it was stated soon after that DMN would protect this posters anonymity provided that they validate their identity to DMN. That does not seem to have happened making DMN now only happy to have a ringside seat to watch the fireworks.

  • Maf

    in my country it would not be possible to sue because just one anonymous person said something about someone somewhere on the internet (lucky for me eh).
    in my opinion this is a joke.. if somebody posts the world is flat would this be enough to sue all the globemakers of america?
    If i post bill gates stole all his ideas from linus trovalds would this be enough for a lawsuit?

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      I’m not an employee of Universal. I never lie and always use the internet to tell the Truth.

      Universal is an evil Company which views the internet as a threat to its unfair hold over consumers, musicians and artistes because bands and solo artists can now so easily produce, market and distribute their own work without the need for exploitation experts such as Universal.

      I cannot tell you my identity for fear of being shot or otherwise harmed by Universal and their so-called ‘competitors’ in this dying industry, simply because I tell the Truth.

      Their monopolistic hold is rooted in the law of copyright. Law which no longer has a place in 21st century life.

      Universal and their media colleagues are dead.
      So STFU and R.I.P.

  • Guest

    Boycott Universal products… wait boycott ALL MAFIAA products.

  • Guest

    When dealing with these corporate entertainment parasites and criminals you have to be ready for everything just like with the bankers.

    They steal, they lie, they plant evidences, they corrupt they rape (mostly children but also grownup) They even kill.

    Don’t expect the gov to do anything about that. So what shall we do with them?

    • Ogra

      I’m pretty sure I’ve asked you this before, but can you actually provide a citation for “rape” and “kill”?

      Seriously, if they’re as evil as you say, this shouldn’t be hard. Just show a study, or an article, or hell, ANYTHING at this point which shows that people in the industries have a greater than normal rate of pedophilia/etc… Or are we still going to call for unnecessary violence without any evidence that it’s necessary.

      It’s people like you who are going to set back the pirate movement 20 years.

      Ugh. I’m still feeding the troll. Someone hit me.

  • Anonymous

    It’s just shows the Technocracey of the Corporate States of America where the Corporate Elite have Constitutional Rights and the sold out U.S. Court System work hand and hand but for the average citizens the Corporations have peppered sprayed the Bill of Rights. It’s a wonderful Technocracey is’t it!

  • Anonymous

    It’s just shows the Technocracey of the Corporate States of America where the Corporate Elite have Constitutional Rights and the sold out U.S. Court System work hand and hand but for the average citizens the Corporations have peppered sprayed the Bill of Rights. It’s a wonderful Technocracey is’t it!

  • privacy much?

    Isn’t this whole game of subpoena-ing privacy something that Grooveshark, the DMCA, and the cheerleaders of piracy despise? It’s funny to see Grooveshark attack privacy like that.

    • Guest

      Piracy has cheerleaders? Are they hot?

      Seriously, though; it’s nice to see some of the RIAA’s tactics being used by the other side for a change. If Grooveshark fails to get a subpoena, it might even add to the existing precedents against IP address-based subpoenas.

  • Alyssa Blindy

    I would have to agree that this is probably some musician trying to get revenge on Grooveshark for some reason.

  • Not_on_the_internet

    What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

  • http://MakeCash2.com Maggie DiMarco??

    @Guest privacy something.. my friend’s half-sister made $219642 so far just working on the computer for a few hours. Here’s the site to read more…http://zapit.nu/dsf23k56m

  • http://insight.pinkonbrown.org Dr P Fenderson

    I am the President of Escape Media Group Inc. Please snail-mail me 15 quatloo for hard evidence of this fact.

  • LOLZ-SNITCH

    Whoever ratted…I hope he gets the biggest civil lawsuit to this date and gets killed in court to the point where the guy is going to jump off a roof. Time to die you little snitch. Snitches shouldn’t get stitches – they should get a firing squad.

    • Manoj

      spoken like a true adolescent

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        No, spoken like a person who is royally pissed at these people who snitch only to get other people in trouble.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Grooveshark doing the CopyWrong Troll trick of trying to ID the poster via an IP and timestamp is pretty laughable given that courts have already decided an IP address doesn’t lead to a person.

    I can certainly understand they’d want to try it in order to discover if it leads to Universal Music somehow lol, but why Universal started a lawsuit based on such flimsy evidence is nothing short of astounding.

    It would be so easy for Grooveshark to defend in Court because there’s no corroboration, no other evidence, no witnesses, NOTHING. So where’s the case?

    In short, there’s no case to answer.
    Case dismissed.
    *gavel thump
    Next.

  • Anonymous

    phlpn.es/829r8s

  • WmDan

    Check out this new website on movies, games and football:

    http://www.UnambitiousUs.com – The Online Magazine for Time Wasters

    It’s full of independent reviews and not as predictable as IMDB, IGN and the rest. I think those guys writing them are normal people with a passion.

  • Anonymous

    linkhide.com.ar/47632

  • Rummler

    I’d love to see that IP address traced back to Universal Music. All the RIAA companies are slime buckets, but Universal is by far the slimiest.

  • Anonymous

    linkhide.com.ar/47632

  • Seederman

    Universal has no interest in the users’s identity because it is the words that matter; the post spoke their language and helps their case. If the user turned out to be a fake, it would not be in their best interests. However, Grooveshark has a big interest in finding the identity, because if it is fake (as they claim), it will undo any damage it did. Frankly, the post should not be admissible in court without verifying the poster’s identity, as it amounts to hearsay from an anonymous source.

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