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Injustice Continues as Megaupload User Data Negotiations Go Bust

Months after the Megaupload raids and arrests the fate of the site’s user data is still unclear. The final negotiation round between the involved parties just went bust with Megaupload’s defense team holding the US Attorneys Office responsible. “They favor the Hollywood Oligopoly over innocent consumers who lost access to their data,” Megaupload lawyer Ira Rothken told TorrentFreak.

megauploadAlmost nine months have passed since Megaupload’s servers were raided by the U.S. Government yet after all this time there is no agreement on how former users can retrieve their files.

Meanwhile, Megaupload’s 1103 servers are gathering dust at Carpathia Hosting in the United States.

Behind the scenes representatives for Megaupload have been negotiating with the Department of Justice and other parties to allow the site’s former users to temporarily gain access to their files, but thus far without result.

After initial negotiations failed earlier this year, one of Megaupload’s users lost patience and decided to take action.

Helped by the EFF, small business owner Kyle Goodwin filed a motion demanding that the court find a workable solution for the return of his data, and that of other former Megaupload users.

However, Judge Liam O’Grady didn’t want to take a decision on the issue, and during a July hearing he ordered the various parties to start negotiating again.

Fast forward another two months and these negotiations have failed once more.


Mega Users Want Their data back

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This means that Megaupload’s user data is still in limbo. Hoping to come to a solution, the EFF saw no other option than to go back to Judge O’Grady.

“Negotiations went nowhere, which is why we went back to ask the judge again for the return of user data,” EFF attorney Julie Samuels told TorrentFreak. But O’Grady appears to be taking his time and weeks have now gone by without an update in the case.

“We’re all waiting to hear from the judge. Until the court does something, our hands are unfortunately tied,” Samuels says.

According to Megaupload’s defense team, U.S. authorities are ultimately to blame for depriving former Megaupload users from accessing their files.

“By taking offline the entire Megaupload cloud storage site the US Attorneys Office has demonstrated that they favor the Hollywood Oligopoly over innocent consumers who lost access to their data,” Megaupload lawyer Ira Rothken told TorrentFreak.

“We believe the Government’s aggressive conduct violates due process,” Rothken adds.

Together with the EFF, Megaupload is now hoping that Judge O’Grady will come up with a quick and workable solution for the possible return of the user data. In addition, Megaupload is hoping that the Judge will dismiss the entire case against the cloud storage company.

“We are looking forward to the US Federal Court ruling on the consumer data access issue and Megaupload’s motion to dismiss,” says Rothken.

“The greater the delay the greater the injustice,” Megaupload’s lawyer adds.

Carpathia Hosting did not respond to our inquiries, but there is little doubt that they are in favor of a quick solution. The company currently pays $9,000 a day out of their own pockets to keep the Megaupload servers intact.

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  • Guest

    I very much doubt that the judge will rule in favour of the return of the data to users and that the Judge also will not rule in favour to dismiss the case against Megaupload, The Judge will not rule in favour because he doesn’t want the mega fallout and roasting from the MAFFIA that he will get from them should he rule in favour and to dismiss etc.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      I think that sooner or later he will rule in favor of the return of the data to users. But by that time, more than a year might have passed and the data might be gone due to the fact that HDD’s slowly lose their data when not given power to ‘refresh’ data regularly.

      • OccamsKatana

        What hard drives do you use?  Please provide links to data backing up your claim.

        • Danny

          Doesn’t everyone use volatile hard drives?
          Is store all my data in RAM, its the safest way!

        • http://twitter.com/KimberleyBButea Kimberley B. Buteau

          Saying Carpathia is paying money out there own pockets your making it sound like they are actually losing $18000 ($9000 from what they should be getting from MU and $9000 to store the servers). You’re no better than the MSM by bending facts like that. http://Ace16.com

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          I have used all brands of hard drive and this is coming straight from Tom’s Hardware and Computer World, as well as the article on hard drives from Wikipedia.

          There is a thing called ‘magnetic volatility’ where a hard drive (conventional magnetic platter) slowly loses it’s data when it goes for long periods without power a good 50% of the time.

          This is for all drives: Seagate, Western Digital, Toshiba, etc.

        • http://twitter.com/NolanMurray3 NolanMurray

          Monica replied I’m surprised that a single mom able to profit $9588 in four weeks on the network. did you see this(Click on menu Home)

        • http://twitter.com/NolanMurray3 NolanMurray


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        • Jhb

          Apple’s hard drive the iDrive – sleek shiny and cool

        • Ghost R3on3

          Chris- i used to work for maxtor doing testing on HDD’s. I still have some that go back 10 years that all of the data is intact and these drives hardly see the light of day. I only use these drives any more for long term storage if I want to save something. Just because there servers are not powered up does not mean the data is gone. sure take a magnet to it and see what happens to the data then.

        • Loldumbass

           @google-6bb179a6b07a293b0dbe2e8887cdb03f:disqus I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

        • http://twitter.com/MarlynDThomas Marlyn D. Thomas

          31 year old drives don’t count… 1 bit/square inch is not easily lost..A1Job.notlong.com

      • Joshua R.

        Last year, I hooked up the hard drive from my old Win3.1 machine. It was the first time it had received power in 10 years, and all the data was still intact.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          You were extremely lucky then. Tom’s Hardware, Computer World, etc. have had numerous studies that show that after 1-3 years, the data is ‘lost’ on most conventional magnetic platter hard drives or damaged in some way.

          Have you also not read the numerous ‘horror stories’ of people going back to a hard drive and finding that it spins up, tries to read, and cannot read the data?
          Then, when they re-format the drive (usually after sending said drive to data recovery and getting it back) it works fine as long as you give power to it every 3 months or so?

          For some reason, hard drives do lose their data after a long time without power. Yes, it’s a crapshoot but it happens often enough that if I had a hard drive that hadn’t had power for a long time, I wouldn’t be too certain that my data would still be in place.

        • Guest

          Good deal! I’ve got a HDD that is 31 years old and fully functional. Data still there just as I left it back in the day.. Disk longevity is a lot better than you’d think!

        • Whatever

           31 year old drives don’t count… 1 bit/square inch is not easily lost

        • Danny

           @google-6bb179a6b07a293b0dbe2e8887cdb03f:disqus

          I have a pair of 500GB drives that have not been touched for 4 years (with the ext3 fs).

          I have just plugged them in and guess what? It appears that all the data is there, I even ran a disk check and the data integrity seems fine.

          I think Toms hardware are just creating scare stories.

        • John Spartan

          @google-6bb179a6b07a293b0dbe2e8887cdb03f:disqusPlease provide proof as I believe you are talking out your ass.

      • Goatley

        thats not true lol. maybe over a period of many years but less than 6 months no way.

        • Popehat

          Hard drives should last a long time, ive seen hard drives that are 20-30 year old working fine. If you just left a hard drive alone in a room, I bet it would take more than a hundred years to lose any data, maybe it would last thousands of years.. who knows (just keep cold, heat, water and magnets away)

          I think Tom’s Hardware and Computer World are taking shit.

        • Guest321

          You will NEVER lose your hard drive data unless the hard drive itself develops a mechanical fault which is almost improbable if you haven’t used your drive in years or decades.

        • http://www.facebook.com/austinjwahl Austin Wahl

          yea i know right ive had drives from the 90s when i was a kid that are still working with data on them.  Theyve sat for years, been thrown around,  lets see new drives do that besides ssd’s

      • OccamsKatana

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_drive   <—  states hard drives are classified as non-volatile, not semi volatile.  I can't find anything which states volatility. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just sayin'…..

        I can't find any info on it at Tom's Hardware or otherwise.

        That being said, I've has 4 of my Seagate drives die in the last 3 months. All of them being 7200.10 of varying sizes not less than 1TB. I got 2 of them back by using a tool I bought online. Needless to say, all of my replacement drives are NOT Seagate.

        • Jimbo

           lol @ getting your information from Wikipedia.

        • OccamsKatana

          lol @ getting your information from Wikipedia.

          @72768c76333811672c2dcb988c636cf9:disqus   Yeah….  i know… only source i could find with anything as Christopher said.   Where’d you get your info? Oh, you didn’t have anything relevant to add. LOL @ You

        • Jimbo

           @ jimbo below, GET YOUR OWN NAME, DONT USE MINE, WANKER!

        • Prins Essan

          If I were you, I should check the PSU in the computer. 

          I have not had any HDD-crashes in any of my machines after I started buying quality PSUs some 8 years ago.
          Gone through atleast 40 drives of different manufacturers.

        • http://www.facebook.com/austinjwahl Austin Wahl

          a lot of the drives being still sold are the ones that were in that storm in japan or whatever from a while back. a lot of drives have been dying lately

        • OccamsKatana

          @c28c7a0b566f1b905bd9be764790a109:disqus

          If I were you, I should check the PSU in the computer. 

          I have not had any HDD-crashes in any of my machines after I started buying quality PSUs some 8 years ago.
          Gone through atleast 40 drives of different manufacturers.

          Not my puter, that’s for sure. I have plenty of power. Here’s one of a thousand links on the problem with the Seagate 7200.11.  My above post should have been 7200.11, not 7200.10. My bad. Must be old age. LOL!  As I said, I got the drives back by using a tool I bought online. But thanks for your opinion. You have gone through 40 drives but none of them failed? How did you go through them then?

          http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/16/barracuda_failure_plague/

      • http://twitter.com/DuckTheNWO NewWorldStoner ?

        There is also the possibility that the data was stored on solid state drives, in which case the data might already have disappeared.

        • FinalApokylypse

          I doubt that they would use SSD’s in mass storage though. Sure its faster than your traditional magnetic platter HDD. But much much more expensive and have a much shorter lifespan..

        • Guest321

          Yeah Megaupload stored thousands of petabytes of data on SSDs. Don’t be ridiculous.

      • Guest321

        BS claim as usual. I have a 80GB portable Seagate HDD that is 10 years old. Connected it to my new desktop after nearly 7 years and it still has all the data intact.

      • philoarchea

        That’s total nonsense. I have 2 Seagates and a Maxtor that’s more than 10 years old that I haven’t used for nearly 4 years. Took them out just the other day to retrieve some family pictures and they work perfectly, the data still intact. 

        • Claverhouse

          Agreed.  A year ago I retrieved two dozen 1888 Grande Magna DynoDure drives that had been stored underwater for 85 years, each the size of a 12′ wheel made of bronze and titanium, and each holding 3GB of data.

          After drying them out with blowtorches in a deserted windtunnel, they worked as good as new. And we were able to listen to 144 crackly recordings of pre-WWI  French Music Hall.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

         Err, whut?

        No normal hard drive will “lose” data the way you describe. Not even a low-quality SSD.

        On top of that, seeing as the data is stored on server hardware, the hard drives will be racked RAID arrays meaning any data loss except that caused by a ballpeen hammer will be quickly recoverable.

      • Derkenblosh

        =moron 

      • Smtcps

        There is no ‘refresh’ when a hard drive is given power.  You are thinking of Dynamic RAM.  Granted, magnetic media will degrade over a long period of time, but whether the drive is powered or not has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    • Anonymous

       Federal judges are appointed for life.

    • JordanKratz

       I really hate the MAFIAA and I hate my US Government.
      Those fuckers in the House passed their Spy on all Americans without a Warrant Bill.They just took a shit on our Constitution those fuckers.

    • Anonymous

       A lesson for the webmasters: take your online business out of US. There are many other hands more than willing to have it :)

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Yet again Follywood and their puppets in the US government bully innocent people.

    We demand JUSTICE!!

    • Wal-Mart

       Oooo, demanding justice in all caps! lol.

      • Wal-Mart

        I mean yay I’m so gaaayyyy! Please rape my face! Giggle giggle giggle

        • Guest

          you two are pretty sad

    • Rob8urcakes

       I torrent off the TPB like a good little turd!

      • Mal-Wart

        The TPB? The The Pirate Bay? Was the extra “the” for redundancy just in case you started to lose some data from TorrentFreak’s hard drives if it sat there too long? PEBKAC!

    • Wal-Mart

      I’m a shit cleaner at Wal-Mart

  • JD

    I never trust anyone other than my OWN LOCALLY accessible hard disc, to store my data, private or otherwise, Nobody has the power over my computer other than me.

    If you trust your private data to an outside source, and they get shut down like mega, you really have no right to moan and groan.

    I really don’t think anything will happen soon with this fiasco, they are dragging it on through the dirt as long as they possibly can, with no real sign of conclusion.

    If you have anything else stored online, I’d suggest you take it OFFLINE, and make your local storage accessible online so you can upload/download things from your OWN storage, thusly, it will be a lot SAFER, and you can trust your own storage a hell of a lot more, cant you?

    • TT

       I agree, let’s just dismantle the entire Internet. /sarcasm

    • Anon44

      Cloud storage has many different uses for different people.It is convenient, instant, free and you can easily share your home videos and pictures with family. 

      Not everyone has spare hard drives or blank disks available to backup with and some simply cannot afford it.  So the cloud storage option has its uses.

      There is also a bigger picture here than just data.  Some games only run if you are connected to the internet and authenticate with the developers servers.  Going by the mega case, its feasible that someone could claim copyright to a part of a game (part of the game engine for example) and the US government could again illegally confiscate the servers meaning players could not play.

      On the same MPAA/RIAA level, imagine an iTunes alternative that also lets you re-download purchased tunes after you replace a broken hard disk.  If the RIAA bribe everyone under the sun and get those servers confiscated as in the mega case, you are again robbed off your purchase.

      The mega case is political and rotten to the core and no matter what solutions are offered, users data are still on those servers.  The fact that the US government is trying to make this last as long as possible without action is a deliberate attempt to destroy a foreign company without a legal process. Only the MPAA/RIAA and the US government can shoulder the blame for the users files.  

      • orfeas0

        Im sorry but online storage, aka the cloud isnt cheaper than hard drives.

        • NoName

          On another note last time I checked you need to install the cloud on a hard drive in order for the cloud to be used.

          Than again maybe we are living in the year 3050 where we don’t need hard drives. /sarcasm

        • orfeas0

          @7f76737c90d2b00826885d38f1d6d968:disqus I don’t even understand what you wanted to say…
          What I said was that people shouldn’t rely on the cloud for storage. For backup yes, for main storage, no.
          You can get a 1TB hard drive for 100$, while for 1TB of cloud storage you would have to pay 20$/month…

        • Yahoo

          indeed i got a maxxo drive and to use it i had to install it on my hard drive to use it even though its from cloud 9 

        • Obvious Much?

          You can get 1Gb of storage from Dropbox for nothing. That’s cheaper than hard drives or even little USB pen drives.

        • orfeas0

          @fad540cdcc168eefb4a5ac26f56e297f:disqus 1GB? Are you serious?
          Wtf can you store in 1GB? And btw a flash usb key of 1gb costs like 2$. Heck, people give them away for free!
          I’m talking about a storage solution of gigabytes or terabytes. Read my post and you’ll understand…

      • nostrafarious

         An alternative to cloud storage is to run an FTP server yourself from your home.  NO reliance on anyone else.  “Cloud storage” = Big Brother

      • Guest321

        If you can’t afford spare hard drives, then you can’t afford cloud storage either. End of story.

    • Guest

      Mega didn’t shut down. Did you not know, the US shut their servers down and so far have no valid reason. It kinda pisses a few people off.

    • Yahoo

      yes but have your passwords and bookmarks scronogized (encrypted both ways and on server) so that if your main computer crashes, you just simply log on and scronogize from server so you have it all back. :-) Also its great to have a seedbox to downlaod your files to (upload torrent, dl file, without all the .torrent files on your desktop because you upload them all at once or so to seedbox and dl from there, then just dl at full speed from yoru seedbox. 

    • Guest321

      I think its stupid that some people on Twitter are saying they stored their precious photos on Megaupload and had no local copies on their computer. I find that hard to believe unless some people are extremely stupid.

      How much space do photos take anyway? I could store a few decade worth of photos on a 1TB drive. So these people could afford a Megaupload premium subscription but not a hard drive? o_0

      • CallMeDumbIamHeretoTroll

         We did not subscribe. We purchase a virtual and almost non-existence portable hard disk drive (or namely cloud). You know how troll those MAFIAA people really is? I bought my Lifetime account in mid January earlier this year and it got shut down for no good reason few weeks later. THe funny part is I did not manage to evn upload a 1KB text document in it.

        Now give me back my money you MAFIAA troll! Hope my “virtual hard disk” had some sort of warranty or something.

        Fuck you again MAFIAA and “Unacceptable Suing Agency”!

        • Guest321

          I also had a lifetime account on Megaupload and Filesonic and yearly accounts on a couple of other hosters. I think I was more livid than most people (and rightfully so) when this bust happened as it caused me a loss of atleast $600 worth of accounts and 200gb worth of personal data. Yeah I will hate the MAFIAA for life for that. More than that I call these file hosters scammers as they all shut down one by one without refunding anyone after MU was busted.

          What I merely pointed out in my last post was that people who used cloud as their main hard drive without keeping any local copies were simply naive and don’t have any ground to complain. Why? Because Megaupload’s TOS explicitly made it clear that they were not a “cloud storage” service and as such were not responsible for any loss of data. There’s a difference between a file hosting site and a cloud storage site. So there was always a risk of losing data on MU one way or the other and those people signed up knowing that.

        • d_e_n_n_i_s

          How about gremlin, “Billadoid” being a troll

  • flubalubaful

    If the MPAA continues to block people getting there data back they should really stop complaining when people share there data all over the internet to millions and possibly billions of people, hopefully casing them to lose trillions of dollars.

    Hopefully this will teach people not to use any form of cloud system to store data.

    • Heisenberg7

      The MAFIAA are hypocritical scumbags. Whoda thunk.

  • Anonymous

    ‘ US Attorneys Office has demonstrated that they favor the Hollywood Oligopoly over innocent consumers’

    this is obvious because the Hollywood Oligopoly paid for this whole fiasco to take place. basically, what is happening here is that the longer the data can be withheld from customers, the longer Mega’s servers can be kept from Mega. as the overall object of the exercise is to keep Mega offline for as long as possible, by any means possible, regardless of the final outcome, the entertainment industries are achieving what they set out to do. the fact that the court has refused to make a decision on customers files being returned is disgraceful but i bet there has been plenty of threats and encouragement thrown in the direction of the judge. he needs to grow as big a set of balls as Dotcom and call out the industries and the DoJ for all the hindrance they are pulling. once it’s in the open, he has a greater chance of defending himself if shit hits fan. the fact that the DoJ is behaving like this, penalising people for using a legitimate site in a legitimate manner, shows that they are not interested in justice at all but in doing what they want to the detriment of everyone else.

  • http://emulatorfever.forumotion.co.uk/ VintageTorrie

    Yet another example that money means more than people

  • Guest

    “The company currently pays $9,000 a day out of their own pockets to keep the Megaupload servers intact.”
    Not correct, it cost MU $9000 a day to have their servers hosted with Carpathia. So they are losing that money, but there not paying any additional money. Sure they might be paying some money to store them, but nowhere near $9000 a day!!!

    Saying Carpathia is paying money out there own pockets your making it sound like they are actually losing $18000 ($9000 from what they should be getting from MU and $9000 to store the servers). You’re no better than the MSM by bending facts like that.

    • Anyone

      MU has no funds to pay those $9000
      so for now Carpathia pays those $9000 out of their own pocket

      maybe “pays” is the wrong word, they are simply losing $9000 a day because they cannot rent those servers to other people
      sure, running costs are quite likely lower than that, but it still takes up space that could be used for servers of paying costumers

      • Heisenberg7

        Exactly. They’re not “paying” anyone $9000, it’s $9000 of lost revenue.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Still like someone taking 9K out of your pocket and then saying “No, I didn’t take anything!”

        • Colin Carr

           Is that like a lost sale?

        • Anyone

          @ColinCarr99:disqus
          except real

        • Prins Essan

          Or $9 000 000 in lost revenue if you count like MAFIAA

        • FuzzyDuck

          That’s most certainly theft according to the MAFIAA’s own logic (theft = lost sale). Also they really did make this company loose a REAL PAYING CUSTOMER while according to the MAFIAA even losing an imaginary customer that would never have paid is already theft.

      • d_e_n_n_i_s

         No.  They have lost income from Megaupload around $1,000,000 a month.  That adds up to $8,000,000 up until next Wednesday. Their costs of $9,000 a day only adds up to $2,196,000 to then.  Their real loss is $2.2million.  Their provable loss, in a civil claim exceeds $8million.  On the other hand, copyright holders would have great difficulty proving an alleged loss of their estimated $500million in a civil claim.  HOW THE HELL can US criminal liability be proved for the alleged loss?  In order to have something stolen you have to have physically had the collateral in the first place.  Based on their reasoning Carpathia Hosting have had $8million stolen, and clearly provable!  Arrest the culprits!

    • d_e_n_n_i_s

      Check your facts.  The indictment shows $1million a month in payments.  That means $32,786.89 a day, not $9,000.  That’s the indictment that alleges conspiracy charges that US liberal interpretation of the ‘Law” allows prosecuting lawyers to label “mega conspirators”.  Do US Courts and Grand Juries no longer hold the principles dear?  You are all doomed if you don’t.  The Hollywood lobby are just the tiniest little Disney characters compared to the nuclear fission lobby

  • Wck1337

    I hope the users dont get contacted. I bought premium via server and uploaded/dl’d on vps but all pirated shit.

  • Zomgz

    I had my demo tape on Mega. I demand my data back, or $50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 in damages from the MAFIAA.

    • Asdf

       Ever consider suing the DOJ for illegally acquiring your music without a license? I’d love to see content creators turn around and claim copywrite infringement due to their intellectual property being seized and withheld from them .

  • KiRE

    It’s your own damn fault if you backed up to mega and didn’t store the files elsewhere.

    • Anonymous

       so you obviously knew that Mega was gonna get raided and must therefore be an entertainment industries troll. out of curiosity, what others are gonna get busted and when? perhaps then people will have time to use all services, including Google and Amazon. i assume you intend leaving them alone as so many in government use those

      • Guest

        No, its just ridiculous to only have one backup of important files.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          No, it isn’t. It is fucking hard enough to get people to make ONE backup of important files, let alone several.

          You are living in some dream world and I really think that you are a troll.

          Add into this that after the MegaUpload thing broke, many places went down (FileServe, FileSonic) or slowly began to die because of the FUD brought by the illegitimate and illegal MegaUpload seizures and you have another issue.

        • Gupta

          lol he’s not a troll because he says it’s ridiculous to only have one backup of important files. lrn2 internet-  only a TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT only has one backup of important files. 

        • http://twitter.com/DuckTheNWO NewWorldStoner ?

          You have missed the point entirely.

          Having only one copy of your data is nowhere near as irresponsible as the confiscation of legitimate data, regardless of how much copyright abuse the system receives, it does not make it any less irresponsible. The fuckheads who confiscated the servers could easily have ruined many peoples lives, that’s irresponsible.

        • Gupta

          @twitter-748129819:disqus  Maybe lay off your supply before posting? You conflate two separate issues of irresponsibility into one. lrn2 logic, and lrn2 definitions of words.

          1. The Megaupload data seizure isn’t “irresponsible” it’s criminal. lrn2 dictionary.

          2. It is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE for anyone not to back up IMPORTANT data more than once, irrespective of any other factors. lrn2 hold more than one idea in your head at the same time without your brain melting down.

          Again, maybe don’t puff before you post.

          lrn2 not be a FUCKING RETARD. You’ll thank me later.

          You’re welcome.

        • God

           Gupta, what kind of fucking idiot uses memes when trying to ‘prove’ a point. What are you, twelve?

          - Jesus Christ

        • http://twitter.com/DuckTheNWO NewWorldStoner ?

          @cea7df767089f66b2ab5cb77dd84d60c:disqus Your opinions are your opinions, as are mine, but you seem to be under the impression that your opinion is fact, when clearly it is not.

          To be criminal is to be irresponsible and so your argument there is pointless, if anything I agree with you.

          Following your logic, if someone steals from my house then subsequently it is my fault for not having 20 locks on the door. Any same person would recognize that it is not my fault as obviously it is the thief’s fault for stealing it. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that such an analogy is justified. Even a twelve year old could work out that your argument is retarded and as for me being a retard, you know it takes one to know one.

          Also God has spoken.

    • Violated0

      So if the Government raids a Crack House but burns down the whole street by mistake it is your fault for living in that street?

      I think you will find that those that cause damage are held responsible for the damage caused. Also if the Government seize innocent third party property by mistake, where ownership can be proved, then the Government has the lawful obligation to reunite people with their property.

      Your view that the Government can destroy anything they want without consequence is a very dangerous thing indeed. How would you like to come home one day to find your house demolished due to some Government building plan and they just tell you to f**k off when it was your mistake for living there?

      • KiRE

        violated, i’m surprised that you would take my comment to a different meaning. point is you can never trust putting your property in the care of someone else and not have other means of retrieving it, nothing more…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BUSYAWMRBZOVHLEA566TYPDBKM D

    Class Action Lawsuit?

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  • Violated0

    I can only blame the Judge for this one when he is failing to do the most basic task of a Judge which is to make a Judgement.

    Long ago the Judge did tell them go and negotiate and sort this out to a mutual agreement where he also said very clearly that if no agreement was reached he would rule on the matter himself. That he certainly failed to do when he just allowed negotiations to go on and on and on endlessly.

    Naturally the EFF and Kyle Goodwin spotted this as well which is why they took Court action to speed up users getting their data back. This was good to see when of course countless thousands of innocent users were affected when the DoJ and FBI pulled the plug.

    So the one thing this Judge does need to do is to make a hard ruling, We of course hope it is like “My Dear Government, Taking down MegaUpload may have seemed like a good idea at the time but history would only compare this to the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria, So it is my ruling that the integrity of knowledge be preserved and the Government release whatever funds are required to restore to the Internet the MegaUpload site for a period of no less than 30 days”

    This is not to say that I don’t understand why this Judge likes to defer this case when he is really stuck between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea. No one wants to have to put infringing files back online when if anyone did so they were seem no better than what MegaUpload already did. Then if you start talking about filtering out the bad stuff then the data size here is almost beyond comprehension and it would certainly take many years to even do a reasonable job. This is not to forget that innocent files would be deleted or even files subject to lawful infringement like fair use

    So on the one hand you have the unacceptable situation where Government action has separated innocent users from their own lawful data and clearly the Justice system should never allow the Government to do this. Then on the other hand anyone saying put this data back online is authorizing infringement.

    The Judge really only has one answer he but he is too chicken shit to stand up to his own bosses and hence 9 months will soon become 9 years with nothing still done about this problem.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      The judge probably doesn’t want to put himself in the slights of the MPAA/RIAA/etc. and have them saying that he ‘supports pirates’.

      That said, yes…. it’s his job to make a ruling whether or not the fair and just ruling would have some people lambasting him over it.

      • Sei

         There are laws against slander.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Difference between slander and having a difference of opinion with someone and saying that their decision was the ‘wrong’ one.

        • Guest

          Since when have the MPAA/RIAA cared about the laws?

  • foff

    It is quite obvious that the government does not want a decision before the election.  There is no other reason for this fiasco to drag on.  Even if NZ will not extradite  Mr dotcom they federal government would not agree to releasing anything.  This is one issue that Obama does not want to deal with during the election.  Don’t expect any news otherwise until after the election.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      True. It seems like the decisions in this case are taking a very long time to come down the pike, mainly because the government doesn’t want a ‘black eye’ before the elections that Obama is going to have to explain.

    • http://twitter.com/DuckTheNWO NewWorldStoner ?

      On the contrary, it might be a boost for his election campaign if he turns around and demands that the data be given back to the users. Not that it would make much difference though as the elections are more than likely rigged anyway. Perhaps they don’t want to admit that it was a monumental fuck up to provide no warning to the users before ripping the servers out of the data centre.

    • Xult

      Maybe mr Dotcom can be extradited to Sweden?

    • Xult

      Maybe mr Dotcom can be extradited to Sweden?

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Think of the Public Standing of MegaUpload as a resource. 
     
    It is an important resource.  It is called “Goodwill” in economics; and, is defined as the immediate willingness of counterparties to do business with a company by virtue of the quality of its prior presence in the market.  Goodwill matters because any company is only as viable as the willingness  customers and counterparties to do business with it.   

    Is the American DOJ succeeding in destroying MegaUpload’s Goodwill in its market? 
     
    No?  Perhaps, the opposite? 
     
    This is crucial because every thing that MegaUpload did prior to the DOJ’s legal action was public proof that Copyright protected monopoly distributers were dead legacy institiutions with no future……and….
     
    What exactly was the problem of these Copyright protected monopoly distributers? 
     
    Goodwill.  Corporate Copyright holders yet do not understand that lost Goodwill explains their problems with respect to intellectual property distribution…..Customers simply prefer not to do business with them under the rules and regimes they have established…..Customers know that they are paying unearned monopoly premiums.  They know that they are abused and disenfranchized by TOS contracts.  They know that they were being forced to pay multiple times for the same product…..They know that the effective warehousing, replication, and transmission cost of global digital distribution is effectively zero……

    All of which brings us back to MegaUpload……..

    Why? 

    Goodwill.  The fact that the DOJ’s action has only increased MegaUpload’s Goodwill is public proof that the Copyright monopolies have no future…..Customers are more determined than ever to do business with MegaUpload….and..    providing it survives the DOJ’s ill conceived and badly executed initiative…..MegaUpload will own its market…and will own the future of its market….precisely for the same reason that the copyright Monopolies have lost it….Goodwill..  

  • http://akemi-mokoto.me/ Akemi Mokoto

    I feel sorry for those who lost legit things but overall, I am pleased with this decision. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      I’m not. The fact is that there was no decision here in the slightest. It’s a LACK of a decision that all people on here are lambasting, corporate paid troll.

      • Guest

        Mr Kiddyfiddler, why is it that everyone who has a different point of view from you is, according to you, a “corporate paid troll”? Is that your best shot at trying to counter an argument?

        • Guest

          That wasn’t even an argument – there was no decision made. The DOJ is dragging its feet over legitimate users getting legitimate data back. That’s not a decision; that’s stalling for time and wearing people out, so you can go “neener neener neener”.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Apparently, when you don’t like that someone points out something salient guest, you have to have a knock against anything you can find against them.
          Yes, I am a pedosexual…. but you aren’t going to make me feel ashamed of it in the slightest.

    • http://twitter.com/DuckTheNWO NewWorldStoner ?

       GTFO

  • ScrewEwe2

    I’ve been using Dropbox for about a year. I have a laptop and 4 desktops and the main reason for using Dropbox is for syncing data between the 5 computers. Using the free 2 gig account, the syncing is for smaller files mainly, but I also am able to send “stuff” to overseas friends via the public share folder. Anyone who uses cloud storage to safely store a backup of any type of files is a fool. Don’t ever trust others for backing up your files. People have to be proactive about backing up what they want to keep for the long term, and not be a lazy fuck and depend on Windows or another program for doing automatic backups for them.

    I do computer repairs on the side, for a few friends and nieghbors, and most are too damn cheap to buy external hard drives and do their own backups, so when I setup a system, I usually make a backup of all the “My Documents on XP” or “Users on W7″ files in addition to a Ghost image of the C drive, and store their data on a few of my external drives. Saves me a lot of hours in getting their systems back up and running, and luckily for them, I have all their sacred pictures and documents backed up. Windows System Restore does not work worth a damn, and should never be trusted. Everytime I go to their houses I am always shown the new crap they bought like nicnacks or furniture, etc., but yet they wont invest in an external drive. They’ll waste money on vacations and going out to eat, but can’t be bothered to invest $120.00 on a decent external drive. Most of em are women, and for whatever reason, I don’t know, but they all get at least 2 nasty viruses a year that are best dealt with by doing a system restore from a Ghost image. I always partition my own and others drives. Women are suckers for sites that are cute or go to sites that offer something for free, or a site where they can play free games, and that’s what the scammers and hackers count on. People that use Google to find free music will run into a compromized site sooner or later. Free is usually not free at all. Want some candy little girl? FUCK.

    Like others have said, maintaining external hard drives requires effort. It’s always best to have at least 1 large, empty external drive so you can transter everything off drive #1 to the empty drive #2, reformat drive #1 and then move the data back to drive #1 and then make sure you spin the external drives up every once and a while, or you will find you got bit rot. You got bit rot, you got bit rot, nanner nanner nanner. I get by on less than 18 grand a year, and live alone with nobody to help pay the bills, but when it comes to protecting files I have spent 13 years acquiring, I will always spend money on quality external drives instead of crap I don’t need like nicnacks, un-needed furniture, bullshit vacations or going out to eat on a regular basis. I’ll hit MickeyD’s, Whopper King or Taco Bell once in a long while, but I’ll barbecue my own Filet Mignon for $5.00 instead of paying $35.00 at a sitdown restaraunt. For $35.00 I can buy half a tenderloin and get 5 decent steaks. People can find the money they need if they save and spend wisely, but if you blow your money on bullshit you don’t need in order to make yoursel feel better, and come home from an un-needed vacation to discover you hard drive is dead and you haven’t made your own efforts to backup your “stuff”, I don’t have any pity for you. To finish, the fools who used cloud storage only for backing up, are god damn idiots, but do deserve their MegaUploaded files back.

    • mrshr3d

      Damn straight.  For those who can afford to setup a separate server machine, I would recommend it, doesn’t have to be a super expensive solution. 

      eg  setup a Ubuntu server for backups with 4 HDDs, setup as RAID 5 (3 in the array and 1 as a hot spare).  I’d also be backing up the RAID to an external drive.

  • Boblenton3

    In total fairness I think the users should have their files returned….not movies or games etc but pictures, footage, family photo’s, memories, all are stored on mega-upload..I think the judge should review every single file and return it to the user……..for all we know important momento’s are stored on those servers

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  • chronoss chiron

    LIL secret they cant give it back , they destroyed it….

  • Theonlyone

    Kiss ur data goodbye and say hello to the fascist USA. I have lived it for 50 years so I know wut the truth is here.

  • Gupta

    Data storage protip:  If you have important files (text, photos) of less than 10mb, and you have yahoo email, you can store it forever simply by emailing them to yourself as attachments. All of the actual data is then stored on the Yahoo servers.

    So it will last until someone flies airplanes into the Yahoo servers. 

    • Heisenberg7

      Who the fuck uses Yahoo anyway….

      • Ers

        i use yahoo but rarely just to log in every 2-3 months. I have about 2gb of photos using the above method but sending them from my cell phone, which i sent to my account so i could clear up the sim card photos to take more.

    • Lollemall

      Punjabi Gupta…who reads the emails? Who check the attachments? Great protip from a man with less than nothing to store until the police flies into his front door. Protip – lol.

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  • Andrew Lee

    This pretty much says it all.

  • ayman

    Carpathia Hosting doesn’t pay $9000 a day; they lose $9000 a day from not renting these unused servers

    • d_e_n_n_i_s

      Their “rent” was $1million a month.  That is $33,000 a day, not $9,000

      • ayman

        So how do they pay $244 on a server they own, not connected to any network and only stored to collect dust?
        Or do you want to tell me a not used datacenter will cost $270k a month!!!?
        If this is true, then i think they can just store the servers away and use the data center.and do their business normal.

        • d_e_n_n_i_s

          Who knows if they own them?  I don’t.  I’m just taking their word that their costs are about that high.  The point is Megaupload paid them about a mill a month and they are now down the drain $2m next Wednesday, and based on the income previously that must tend to stuff them around a bit when they should have turned-over $8m since 19 Jan to then.  This might sound ridiculously simple but a judge asked early Feb if the charges are extradition offences in terms of the Extradition Act.  I reckon if Kim’s counsel had said “I don’t know about that” before complaining information hadn’t yet arrived from the prosecution, the judge might have had to put on his thinking cap and things would not have got out of hand

  • I’m Batman

    I would be SO FURIOUS — if MY personal data were caught in MegaUpload “limbo”.

    At this point, these users deserve financial restitution – from the U.S. Defense Fund.

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  • Peterpan

    that’s what you get for storing critical data on “the cloud”

  • Billadoid

    @KimDotcom:twitter I had no data on MU and I’m really happy you are getting effed :)

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  • Obvious Much?

    The thing is, it’d be so fucking easy to just temporarily stick MU back online and email all the account holders with an IP address to log back in. That way it’d not require the DNS to be reactivated and would only be accessible for a limited time via direct IP. If they used a different IP range to the original site then casual users wouldn’t likely stumble accross the site, but paid-up account holders would have the address to recover their personal data.

    I really can’t see what the problem is here for the DoJ/MAFIAA Cartel. Unless they’ve already had Carpathia delete all the data and have banned them discussing it through court injunctions. Hmmmm…

    • Guest

      Yeah, I agree, stick the servers back online for 30 days to allow people to download all there private data. But i do not believe that the Judge will have the balls to do this because the MAFFIA will be screaming at him non stop should this happen as they will be going ape shit at all those infringing files being accessed too. The MAFFIA have said that they have no objection for people wanting to get there files back but they have every objection of people accessing the infringing files They don’t want Megaupload workers to access the files because they fear that evidence will be destroyed. The MAFFIA have given the judge an impossible task that will be impossible to give an answer too because the only way to distinguish which files are infringing or not is to access the files but the MAFFIA will not allow anyone to access them.

      • Wormlore

        Let’s correct a point here:

        It’s true that “MAFIAA” as you call them did ask for means to insure only “legitimate files” could be retrieved. It’s stupid, but that stalls the negociations.

        However, they are not worried about Mega-employees accessing the data. Mega is the one who wants to keep the data, not erase them. The DoJ wants the data deleted, before actually having a judgement stating it’s “illegal data”. The DoJ representatives themselves think they have all evidence copied and secured, so the original can be deleted, just because they don’t need it anymore. It’s obviously arbitrary and contrary to due process, but what do they care? They’re US Justice incarnate, Justice made flesh… So, at most, “MAFIAA” would be worried that more evidence (helping Mega-defense) could be dug up. But I don’t think so. They’re more worried about being held responsible for the worst case of voluntary data deletion in a while. (If not in legal terms, in the eyes of public opinion.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    Dammit, I want my files back!

    I hate the fact that Neil McBride is using governmental resources for this ridiculous fight against consumers.  I don’t need this protection.   I want my files back!

  • NeoToasty

    Worst case scenario, the servers get purged completely and handed to advertisers and spammers. I hope that doesn’t happen.

  • Renee Purdis

    That sucks.Aren’t what’s held at Megaupload classed as private property?Hell,if you hack you go to jail.Well,is not what these guys are doing,hacking in it’s most corrupt form?They must think we all come from the bush or something and have no intelligence whatsoever!

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    My one question is what authority does the united states have going to new zeland to issue a search and seize no crime was commited in the us it was in new zeland 

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