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isoHunt to Appeal in MPAA Lawsuit, Sees The Lite

Last year the BitTorrent search engine isoHunt lost in court against the MPAA. A Californian court ruled that isoHunt was guilty of inducing copyright infringement and granted summary judgment. IsoHunt, however, does not intend to crack so easily as it sets course towards an appeal and launches a ‘Lite’ version of the site.

isohuntEarly 2006, the MPAA issued a complaint against isoHunt and its sister site Torrentbox, claiming that owner Gary Fung operated file-sharing services and profited from copyright infringement.

The lengthy legal procedure that followed came to a temporary end December last year, when a US Federal Court in California ruled that isoHunt was indeed guilty of violating US copyright law. Since the circumstances of the case were so similar to earlier ones involving Napster and Grokster, the judge decided there was no need to have a full trial and instead granted a summary judgment against isoHunt.

That was not the end of the case though. Last month at the status conference the judge opened the door for an interlocutory appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. “Before we appeal however, we must undergo injunction motions and that’s what we are doing now,” Gary Fung told TorrentFreak.

The MPAA has already filed its injunction and suggested that isoHunt should filter its search results based on generic keywords that may be used to describe copyrighted titles. In a response isoHunt has filed an injunction stating that such a feature is a bad idea for several reasons.

“The Plaintiffs’ [MPAA studios] proposed injunction and its keyword type filter, in our view, raises serious issues on the balance between freedom of speech, fair use and copyright protectionism. Such a keyword filter is also impossible to implement if it’s to have any sort of precision, nor can it avoid conflict with free use cases, free commerce, or extra-territorial law,” Fung said.

“If it were actually to be mandated and put into operation, plaintiffs’ proposed filter would make Swiss cheese out of the dictionary,” isoHunt’s lawyer Ira Rothken writes in the injunction, arguing that a keyword filter would also censor a lot of legal content.

“If a new TV show title is based on a popular phrase that is already in the name of an amateur film or Linux program, distribution of the film or program will be blocked,” the lawyer added.

Instead of filtering isoHunt proposes to use a Lite version of isoHunt instead, a version of the site that no longer contains any of the red flags for inducement that were found at Summary Judgment. In other words, the ‘lite’ version of the site is no different than search engines such as Google and Yahoo!, except that it’s limited to torrent files.

“Should the Court accept a version of isoHunt Lite during the injunction phase, it may become the required interface for our US users,” Gary Fung told TorrentFreak.

It is noted in the injunction that Google and Yahoo! and other search engines can serve as torrent search engines also, and that most of the files that can be found via isoHunt are indexed by these other search engines as well. Gary Fung even conducted a test on a sample of torrent files to prove this point.

“This test shows that 95% of the torrent files indexed on isoHunt are equally available through the main search engines,” isoHunt’s lawyer writes to the court.

With the Lite version of isoHunt Gary Fung hopes to prevent the site’s closure in the US. If the Court somehow rules that it’s still violating copyright law, one has to wonder what implications this has for Google, Yahoo! and other search engines.

The case continues.

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  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    I wish them luck, and i like the stones Gary has for going up against the MPAA but i dont like the idea of a “lite” version of ANY torrent site.

  • me

    I actually like the “lite” interface.

    Should a browsing interface be still available, that would be a rather nice alternative for quick searches.

  • Bad_Mojo

    definition of summary judgement=
    sentence without a trial

    Can you say kangaroo?

  • Comeoncomcast (aka Andrew)

    @3 Kangaroo ;P

    see the lite lol

  • The Count Of Copyright

    Booo MPAA……Yay IsoHunt and Gary Fung!

    Down with the “anti-sharers”

  • anon2

    if the court rules against the appeal and therefore the lite version of isohunt, what difference does anyone think it will make to google and yahoo etc? i can easily answer that. IT WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!! why? because the ‘industries’ dont have the balls, let alone the money, to take them on! all they are prepared to do is their damndest to ruin the lives of individuals that run small sites, that do exactly the same as the major search engines, list file names and the links to those files. what they actually cant stand is the word ‘torrent’ appearing anywhere on the internet, regardless of what that ‘torrent’ contains, simply because they cant use that technology how they want and charge what they want for it’s use!

  • Afficianado

    I always use Google, or in fact Scroogle the Google Scraper to find me torrents.

    https://ssl.scroogle.org/

  • bleh

    Man I would love to see them attack google, they have unlimited resources to fight the MPAA if they were to get sued.

  • Rahul Nimawat
  • Tigger

    @8 bleh

    heh – seconded =)

    Google Vs MPAA – id take time off work and go on holiday to witness that case….i say “witness that case” perhaps “witness MPAA epic fail” would be more appropriate =)

  • Anonymous

    That’s the first time I see the “paying customer” flowchart superimposed on trollface.jpg.

    I wonder.

  • Anonymous

    “In other words, the ‘lite’ version of the site is no different than search engines such as Google and Yahoo!, except that it’s limited to torrent files.”

    The fact that it’s limited to torrent files is very big difference. Isohunt’s very reason for existing is to index torrent files whereas broader search engines are not.

    Out of all indexed pages Yahoo! and Google only index a small minority of pages that contain copyrighted content. Additionally both search engines will remove pages upon request if it can be shown that they link to copyrighted material.

    ““The Plaintiffs’ [MPAA studios] proposed injunction and its keyword type filter, in our view, raises serious issues on the balance between freedom of speech, fair use and copyright protectionism. Such a keyword filter is also impossible to implement if it’s to have any sort of precision…”

    This is patently absurd argument in my opinion:

    For example to block the movie Avatar one could use a block of:

    “Avatar” AND ( ( DVDRiP AND xvid ) OR ( Bluray AND x264 ) )

    which would block any file with the word avatar as the first characters that also has the word DVDRiP or Bluray combined with their codecs they are encoded with by The Scene.

    How is that not precise exactly Fungo?

    There is of course a small chance that another legitimate file would be blocked by this however the chances are very, very small.

    The argument that free, legitimate content would be blocked also is perhaps unfortunate but it’s ridiculous to assert that this will harm the free content in question. Torrent files are so small they can easily be hosted on free web hosting (unless admittedly the described files are extremely large and numerous, but we are talking sizes of over 100 GB) – plus there are other torrent indexers that only host legal content.

  • duane

    “Out of all indexed pages Yahoo! and Google only index a small minority of pages that contain copyrighted content.”

    Wrong. Most content on the internet is copyrighted, and search engines index it automatically. Simplest example: image search.

    Search engines are not responsible for what other internet users put up, nor do they host any of it.

    Like Google cannot be forced to block specific queries, I should expect all other search engines to be treated the same. If you like censorship, go to China or Australia — if some start blocking information they don’t like, we’ve lost the whole “freedom” fight.

  • anon2

    the key word in your post, #12, is ‘index’. just because a torrent site indexes only torrent links doesn’t mean that it should be shut down anymore than a site that indexes torrent links as well as other types of link. the fact that both types of searching site list links to torrent files should mean that all such sites, or no such sites, should be shut down. if all sites that index torrent links, regardless of what other types of links they list, are shut down, then GOODBYE INTERNET!!!!

  • neostyles

    “The Plaintiffs’ [MPAA studios] proposed injunction and its keyword type filter, in our view, raises serious issues on the balance between freedom of speech, fair use and copyright protectionism. Such a keyword filter is also impossible to implement if it’s to have any sort of precision, nor can it avoid conflict with free use cases, free commerce, or extra-territorial law,” Fung said.

    Did he miss the ruling from the first time around? Did he not understand that the first amendment doesn’t enable you to justify infringement? Being able to search for copyrighted files does not fall under freedom of speech. Circumventing payment is not a constitutional right. Hell, since when does searching for torrents on a site constitute expression?

    Why can’t Fung just admit it? He doesn’t want to add a filter because then his site would lose it’s popularity. If IsoHunt ceases to serve up other people’s work free of charge, then no one will visit it anymore and there goes his reputation.

    So please, enough excuses, Isohunt. There is nothing impossible about filtering out torrents that have copyrighted names. You can do it, you just don’t want to.

  • duane

    But it IS expressing something, and it shouldn’t be ignored.

    Downloading a torrent says “I’m displeased with how the system works”. It means the law will need to change, copyrights will need to be relaxed, people like you will need to understand that it’s the public who has the power and they are the ones to decide where their money goes and not you.

  • Ninja

    Whatever is the outcome for this battle, Gary has already earned the respect of several people for facing MAFIAA imbeciles heads on.

    Still, the lite version will probably be safe from the courts. MAFIAA won’t even think about going against Google and other search engines. And seeing as Google is struggling against China censoring it’s pretty much out of question filtering the results…

    I can see another epic fail for MAFIAA coming…

  • Ninja

    O wait, I just remembered they tried Baidu on China if memory serves… Since they got it in the face I’d guess they learned the lesson… or not…

  • LAWL

    Would you like it if Google FILTERED specific SEARCH TERMS because they’re copyrighted?

    Didn’t think so.

  • jimmyboy

    Out of all indexed pages Yahoo! and Google only index a small minority of pages that contain copyrighted content.

    You are either a genuine moron, or a shameless liar.

    Possibly both.

  • antiantipiracy.blogspot

    When they start a fight with Google that will be funny!! It wouls be like the hamster vs. godzilla

    BTW,
    Google is for Men, Yahoo is for pussies.

    DR from AAPT

  • It’s Not me, It’s YOU

    Goodbye Music Industry
    Goodbye TF
    It’s been fun jousting with all the trolls, but all good things come to an end

    X…….P & L

  • duane

    @22 That’s the lamest suicide note evar.

  • Anonymous

    Just block off US IP to keep the courts happy, we users know how to get around that.

  • neostyles

    You are either a genuine moron, or a shameless liar.

    Possibly both.

    Google indexes over a trillion web pages. There are at most, what, a few dozen torrent sites? Add on a few hundred blogs and maybe a few hundred other kinds of torrent piracy sites and you end up with a microscopic portion of Google’s totality.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    Google will not sue itself.

    Google own Youtube. YouTube is partnered with the media corporations to distribute their content for profit. Google/Youtube *is* a media corporation just like the rest of them.

    So, for the media cotprations to sue Google for their search engine is ridiculous. They can’t sue themselves or thier own business partners.

    You may have heard that Microsoft is now affiliated/partnered with Yahoo! now. Everyone wants a piece of the action. Microsoft is also a media corporation. They sell ads and media content through thier partnered sites, Xbox 360, etc.

    They are all butt buddies with eachother and love being eachothers hershey highways bitches. Nor will they dare attempt sue eachother or themselves.

    Free content advocates are missing something. They just don’t know how to play their enemies game. If you want to defeat your more powerful enemy you have to play their game on their ground. When the timing is perfect…take the one last quick and fatal blow.

    I just may have to get in touch with ISOhunt and perhaps partner up with him. ;)

  • duane

    “Google indexes over a trillion web pages.”

    Yes, and most of those are copyrighted, and contain copyrighted material. Doesn’t change the fact that a search engine just INDEXES.

  • Anonymous

    @25:

    1) More than a few dozen: http://isohunt.com/stats.php?mode=btSites

    2) Size is irrelevant. What matters is what proportion are links to what maybe copyright infringing, and this paper shows there is no difference on that between isoHunt and general search engines like Google. isoHunt Lite also no longer have any of the “bad marks” for inducement like the judge found isoHunt had.

  • btjunkie

    @28 Mr. Fung?

    Impressive move, good luck!

  • lol

    with one word any search engine can only display torrent files so gw :)

  • thetazzzz

    Gary will fight this the end long live the hunt ..

  • Anonymous

    @duane: “Wrong. Most content on the internet is copyrighted, and search engines index it automatically. Simplest example: image search.”

    Are you some kind of moron – you appear to be. So I’ll explain it to you in simple words seeing as you seemingly don’t understand.

    You’re absolutley correct except of course you forgot to mention the absolutely critical fact that the copyright owners of “most content” placed their content up on web pages that are able to be indexed with the expectation that it would be indexed and that anyone could view it by browsing to the the page in question.

    The amount of times people make senseless, inane statement like this on this site is amazing.

  • Anonymous

    “just because a torrent site indexes only torrent links doesn’t mean that it should be shut down anymore than a site that indexes torrent links as well as other types of link. the fact that both types of searching site list links to torrent files should mean that all such sites, or no such sites, should be shut down.”

    Your judgement is flawed and is saying that whatever a search engine indexes is completely neutral. Well that’s wrong as content is not neutral, not just “information” as some commenters also falsely claim. Infomation implies that it has a content, a context and is different from other types of infomation.

    Under your reasoning a search engine that exclusively indexes child pornography then is OK?

    ‘just because a torrent site indexes only child porn links doesn’t mean that it should be shut down anymore than a site that indexes child porn links as well as other types of link.’

    Oh well, that’s great, google should be shut down then because one link is the same as any other link.

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    @Unauthorised Content Consumer

    “They are all butt buddies with eachother and love being eachothers hershey highways bitches. Nor will they dare attempt sue eachother or themselves.

    Free content advocates are missing something. They just don’t know how to play their enemies game. If you want to defeat your more powerful enemy you have to play their game on their ground. When the timing is perfect…take the one last quick and fatal blow.

    I just may have to get in touch with ISOhunt and perhaps partner up with him. ;)

    I love it how he first makes a joke about gay men raeping each other, next paragraph presumes he’s a lot more intelligent than the EFF and he could fix all their problems with some philosophical crap from Sun Tzu he doesn’t fully understand, then next paragraph recommends himself to be on ISOHunts legal team (because it’s perfectly obvious from the above that he is some kind of legal tactical genius that somehow didn’t make it onto their defense team LOL.)

    Some young people lose all sense of and touch with reality when they spend all their time behind a computer and develop delusions of being “powerful” and “very smart” to avoid facing the insecurities and fears they face everyday – usually all boiling down toa deep feeling of inadequacy to their peers and the world generally.

    These generally arise from having little to no real life social contact (fear of the unknown), especially female contact, lack of sunlight and exercise (leading to weight issues) and a deep sense of depression and useless feelings that often arise when people do nothing except play solitary video games and use the internet.

    Deep down they realise that the above is true but will come up with all kinds of reasons why it’s not of course.

  • Anonymous

    ” “Google indexes over a trillion web pages.”

    Yes, and most of those are copyrighted, and contain copyrighted material. Doesn’t change the fact that a search engine just INDEXES.”

    What part of “the copyright owner wants the content they own up on a public web page” do you not understand?

    Apparently you docile enough to think that almost every page Google links to is a copyright violation because it contains copyrighted material … oh the simplicity of being a maroon, it must be nice when everything is so somple.

  • Free SCV

    One day daily voting will fix these broken intelectual poverty laws for the peoples benefit.

    Can’t wait for an Open Source party to hit the states. Profit before people. Sad.

    The people are cool, their govt just don’t represent “the people” like they pretend to. The wishes of large corp trump regular citizens sharing.

    I bet a 330,000,000 citizen vote would show 90% WANT the right to torrent and share online.

    Sure it’s theft neostyles, from a limited view.

    Others call it sharing, knowing it’s not removing an original theft does to objects.

    Whether this should be allowed should be up to the people. Obviously not being represented by their “leaders” as they fill their pockets.

    Http://www.opensourceg.com
    Sure as he’ll worked for Linux!

    Best 15 on a domain I ever spent. Isohunt, your an inspiration to the rest of us.

    Keep up the good work. You truely know what it means to lead our people.

    Raynor, Tassadar, & The UED would be proud!

  • thet

    #25

    stealing a quarter makes no difference from stealing a mil :)

    a microscopic portion of it is still a crime :)

    The record label thieves who faces 6 billion$ in damages for pirating artist makes up a tiny portion of the criminals are still a criminal. Worst, not to mention unlike filesharers these bastards are pirating the artist FOR PROFIT :)

  • Lothor The Evil

    @12
    [“Avatar” AND ( ( DVDRiP AND xvid ) OR ( Bluray AND x264 ) )
    which would block any file with the word avatar as the first characters that also has the word DVDRiP or Bluray combined with their codecs they are encoded with by The Scene."]

    Avatar d v d r i p
    Avatar dv drip
    Avatar bluecheeseray

    Get where I’m going with this? In order to bypass a filter, all you have to do with the file name is change the spelling, or put spaces in between the letters. I have seen that in an online game I play that filters out cuss words. For example: to have the word shit show up instead of ****, just spell it as sh!t. A file name filter on a torrent site would be exactly the same. People would just get creative with the file names in order to get around the filter. So your idea of “How is that not precise exactly Fungo?” is based off of ignorance. It is in fact IMPOSSIBLE to be 100% precise to filter file names on a torrent as people can find ways around it. Just like using VPN’s or proxies, or whatever people use, to get around a block in a country that has the Pirate Bay blocked. Next time think before you speak.
    P.S. You forgot to put in your nick name Reasoned Mind. I know it’s you.

  • convenient truth

    If google indexes a page that is copyrighted, the owner of that page can request google remove their site from being indexed, it does not stop google indexing the page in the first instance despite the copyright.

    This is no different where isohunt is concerned becuase it has a copyright policy and those that feel their IP is being infringed can request its removal from isohunt’s index. What people seem to forget is that the MPAA had zero interest in making these requests to isohunt. It is the MPAA who do not wish to play by the rules

  • RomasantaMC

    The industry is trying to set a few court precedents against torrent sites before they go for the big fish. Its a slow moving game but if the trend continues google will fall.
    @convenient truth
    MPAA did request links be removed, but they got frustrated that new ones were popping up before they could have the old removed so they did what any high and mighty corned individual would do…start sueing.
    God I hate suits.

  • harr harr

    @ 34 Feb 24, 2010 at 05:24 by Anonymous

    yes while others think they are Psychologist …with no formal training..you keep on watching Dr Phil…. tosser

  • abolish copyright now

    free speech rights prevail over copyright law.

    copyright law deprives society from the free flow of information.

    copyright harms society.

  • cando22

    The Hunt takes donations in order to continue it’s legal battles… Vote your support with $$$$$… thousands of us have… go to the web site and become an iso hunt supporter….. Peace…

  • Anon

    I remember when Napster started filtering based on keywords. All you had to do in order to download Metallica tracks was mispell the title or something i.e. Metalica lol

  • Anonymous

    @38:

    I remember back when people on the original Napster were doing just that.

  • Sans

    “If a new TV show title is based on a popular phrase that is already in the name of an amateur film or Linux program, distribution of the film or program will be blocked,” the lawyer added.”

    Then I guess that’ll become a problem when Matt Damon stars in Ubantu: The Fastest Gun in Mexico.
    Until then, try naming your 3 favourite amateur films on BT.

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  • isepiq

    When my brother & sister were young, they used to go to parties whre 45 rpm records were shared & traded. Later, small & large reel to reel tape recorders came out, & everyone used to record each others records & record albums. Then came cassette recorders, which came built into stereo systems & you could record radio statin plays & records & record albums. Then came Beta & VHS with which you could hook up to your system & tv & record everything. Court cases ruled they were LEGAL. Now, if my VCR or DVD recorder or TV card in my computer mess up or something, & I go to a torrent site to download what messed up, I am ‘illegal’. I can set my VCR or DVD Recorder to copy music from Music Choice, or Movies or TV shows from other channels, or record movies or tv shows from a Digital TV signal, & I am ‘LEGAL’. However, gettng the very same identical thing from a torrent site makes me ‘ILLEGAL’ again??? I just do not get it???

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