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Italian Court Orders Nationwide Block of TorrentReactor and Torrents.net

Torrentreactor.net and Torrents.net will soon be inaccessible in Italy. Following an investigation by the country’s cybercrime police and the local music industry all internet providers are required to block access to the sites. A probe into the identities of the owners, who the authorities believe are profiting heavily from the sites, is ongoing. The move follows similar blockades against both The Pirate Bay, KickassTorrents and the now-defunct BTjunkie.

Italian authorities and the local music industry are continuing their war on piracy, resulting in a new blockade of two frequently visited BitTorrent sites.

The Vallo della Lucania Court just issued an injunction that requires all Internet providers to block access to the domain names and IP-addresses of both TorrentReactor.net and Torrents.net

The investigation that led to the blockade was carried out by the Agropoli Fiscal Police office, with assistance from the music industry anti-piracy unit FPM. An investigation into the identities of the sites’ owners is still ongoing.

According to the prosecution TorrentReactor has an average of 600,000 Italian users who generate 4 millions page views per month. In total 14% of the site’s users come from Italy. A technical investigation further revealed that the site indexes 1,695,907 copyrighted files.

Torrents.net is claimed to have an average of 320,000 Italian users with 3 million page views per month, which translates to 12% of the site’s total visitors. The prosecution found 788,252 links to copyrighted works on the site.

The authorities further estimate that both TorrentReactor and Torrents.net both make more than a million dollars in proceeds per year, $1.72 and $1.17 million respectively. It’s unclear how these figures were calculated.

Enzo Mazza, head of the music industry group FIMI, applauded the court’s decision. Mazza told TorrentFreak that TorrentReactor and Torrents.net were targeted because they became the leading torrent sites after similar court orders blocked three other prominent sites.

“After the blocking of Pirate Bay, BTjunkie and Kickasstorrents these two sites were among the new top torrent sites in Italy, so we have referred them to the Fiscal Police,” Mazza told us.

“The case is very important because the blocking actions are on the eve of Christmas sales, when all the new releases will come out. We collected evidence on an increase of uploading of these new releases during the last week, and by blocking the sites we are limiting the impact of these illegal offerings.”

Whether the blockades will stop any Italians from torrenting remains to be seen as quite a few popular BitTorrent remain unblocked. However, Italian users of TorrentReactor.net and Torrents.net will soon be without a home.

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  • TPB Free

    We are no longer in a democracy =( shame on my country!

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      And why is that?

      TPB is illegal in the democracy of Sweden. Democracy means that all citizens are not happy will all laws but still have to comply or be prepared to face the consequences.

      • Eric

        @Nejtillpirater

        TPB is perfectly legal in Sweden. Where did you get that the site TPB is illegal in Sweden?

        Are you thinking about the trial against the founders of TPB some years ago? Well, they got nailed because they run a tracker, but now since long TPB is trackerless and perfectly legal. Legal in Sweden.

        Maybe TPB is illegal in your mind?

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “Well, they got nailed because they run a tracker, but now since long TPB is trackerless and perfectly legal. Legal in Sweden.”

          You have obviously not read the sentences and not the law. They were convicted for managing the complete service, with web page, search function, torrent database and tracker. The law is neutral to used technology and from a user’s perspective TPB does the same today and will surely be illegal in court.

          TPB 2006: Search for pirated file, click download, bittorrent client starts downloading, pirated file available

          TPB 2012: Search for pirated file, click download, bittorrent client starts downloading, pirated file available

        • Fredrika

          > “You have obviously not read the sentences and not the law.”

          Neither have you apparently.

          > “They were convicted for managing the complete service, with web page, search function, torrent database and tracker.”

          The sentences specifically mentioned all parts as relevant for the sentence, including the tracker.

          > “The law is neutral to used technology..”

          Stop making claims that makes no sense.

          > “..and from a user’s perspective TPB does the same today..”

          That’s a lie. Pirate Bay does less today than it used to, from a user perspective.

          > “..and will surely be illegal in court.”

          Surely? Is this an admittance of lying? Wow..

          > “TPB 2006: Search for pirated file, click download, bittorrent client starts downloading, pirated file available

          > TPB 2012: Search for pirated file, click download, bittorrent client starts downloading, pirated file available”

          1. There are no pirated files on Pirate Bay. Only fully legal non-pirated torrent files.

          2. Pirate Bay is not responsibly for what happens after you have clicked a link. For anything at all to happen the user must take actions on his own.

          3. Your comparison left out a required part under 2006, that the courts deemed necessary for the conviction. The fact that Pirate Bay’s tracker gave directions. That no longer applies. Your entire comparison is irrelevant and purposely dishonest, since you left out relevant parts.

          4. Why do you continue to reference a Swedish sentence when you yourself says you believe the servers to he hosted in another country??????

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Nej, again…. YOU have not read the law. Eric is stating the law as it is written and that is the reason why they have not gone after TPB in recent days: legal by Swedish law.

          You forgot to add something there: 2006: TPB runs own tracker, bittorrent client connects to TPB tracker, TPB by an extreme stretch of Swedish law (one that numerous prosecutors said was illegal and illegitimate) is breaking the law by doing those two things and ‘helping infringement’.

          2010: No tracker, no connection to TPB tracker = not illegal anymore.

        • http://twitter.com/KarenGossage Karen Gossage

          An investigation into the identities of the sites’ owners is still ongoing. http://www.youtube.qr.net/jOUs/watch?v=9xOf6Pe0ETk

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @nejtillpirater

          “You have obviously not read the sentences and not the law. They were convicted for managing the complete service, with web page, search function, torrent database and tracker. The law is neutral to used technology and from a user’s perspective TPB does the same today and will surely be illegal in court.”

          It is possible Eric has read neither sentence nor law. It is quite obvious to any who have that TPB today is in fact operating quite legally – within nearly EVERY jurisdiction.

          Even in the countries where TPB has been blocked, the block is a specific result of an injunction – equitable remedy – issued because TPB can not be considered illegal according to the law.

          A highway is not and will not be illegal no matter how many speeders are using it. That, in essence, is what you are arguing against.

          Now the real question stands – are you truly deluded or simply lying? The claim of ignorance can no longer hold.

      • TPB Free

        You forgot that Mario Monti, the current prime minister of Italy, is a member of the Bilderberg Group, and he said some time ago “The democracy must be suspended”
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qEUvAf8grO4

        • CCd

          that’s utter bullshit my dude <3 stop believing everything you hear.
          You can't blindly believe a guy who says monti said this and that without any source.

      • Eric

        @Nejtillpirater

        You wrote ‘The law is neutral to used technology and from a user’s perspective TPB does the same today and will surely be illegal in court.’

        Thanks for showing us your cards! The key words you are using is ‘will surely be illegal’.

        ——-
        So why on earth is there no new trial today, no charges, no nothing?
        ——-

        Well, you know the answer. The recording and movie industry would have sued TPB out of existence in Sweden if they just could do it, but even they/their lawyers know that the current setup of TPB is perfectly legal.

        This ‘will surely be illegal’ does not represent swedish law. ‘Will surely’ be illegal just represent your wishful thinking.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “So why on earth is there no new trial today, no charges, no nothing?”

          As far as I know the servers are no longer in Sweden and can’t be raided again. The last I heard was that they were located at Cyberbunker in Holland. It’s probably hard to get the authorities in different countries to cooperate and prepare for the next raid but I’m rather convinced of that this is only a matter of time since TPB is regarded as illegal in many countries according to various court decisions.

        • Fredrika

          > “As far as I know the servers are no longer in Sweden..”

          Then why do you continuously reference the Swedish sentence as relevant?

          > “..and can’t be raided again.”

          The police have no problems raiding illegal sites?

          > “The last I heard was that they were located at Cyberbunker in Holland.”

          Then why so you continuously reference the Swedish sentences as relevant?

          > “It’s probably hard to get the authorities in different countries to cooperate and prepare for the next raid..”

          In reality authorities have no problem whatsoever coordinating takedowns of illegal sites, it happens every day in a matter of hours. Secondly, why would the authorities take down a fully legal site that operates in a manner that the relevant country’s courts already have decided is fully legal?? It makes not sense.

          > “..but I’m rather convinced of that this is only a matter of time..”

          You have been saying this for three years now..

          > “..since TPB is regarded as illegal in many countries..”

          No, not one single country on this planet.

          > “..according to various court decisions.”

          You still haven’t learned the fact that injunctions don’t decide what’s illegal? Why can’t you learn?

        • Anyone

          TPB has not been ruled illegal in any country by any court

          stop spreading your lies

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @nejtillpirater

          “…since TPB is regarded as illegal in many countries according to various court decisions.”

          Manifestly false. Blocking is done as part of an injunction. An injunction is part of what is called an “equitable remedy”.

          Equitable remedies by their very nature can not be applied against something which is considered unlawful. If something is unlawful, criminal or civil law applies directly instead.

          If TPB was considered, in any part of the world, illegal, then criminal law would apply. It does not.

          So, kindly, stop perpetuating that manifest lie. Your personal opinion is NOT law. I wish I didn’t have to tell you this.

        • BobMail

          “but even they/their lawyers know that the current setup of TPB is perfectly legal.”

          Not really true. TPB is at best something that exists in a legal limbo, by playing the game of jurisdiction, and having parts of it’s functionality occur in other places and with other users all over the planet, so as to make it hard to use existing laws to properly prosecute it.

          Quite simply, if there wasn’t any good stolen content on TPB, nobody would go there. You cannot deny that simple fact. Nobody is going there for weather reports.

        • Fredrika

          > “Not really true.”

          Actually, it’s 100% true. According to all relevant judicial systems Pirate Bay is considered 100% legal, because there simply doesn’t exist any individual or precedent sentences that says otherwise. That’s the way the judicial system works.

          > “TPB is at best something that exists in a legal limbo, by playing the game of jurisdiction, and having parts of it’s functionality occur in other places and with other users all over the planet, so as to make it hard to use existing laws to properly prosecute it.”

          An irrelevant opinion of yours that is also incorrect. Pirate Bay is a specialised search engine, and it’s fully possible for the judicial system to render it illegal, based on how it operates, if that would be desired. However, the law is not written that way and no precedent sentences says otherwise. Your rant above is an attempt at rationalising regarding why it hasn’t been stopped, since because of your ignorance regarding how the judicial system actually works, you don’t fully understand the facts regarding the sites obvious legality.

          And regarding technological tools that can be used for copyright infringements, the courts have already decided decades ago that if it has dual usability, as in also for legal non-infringing use, it’s legal.

          > “Quite simply, if there wasn’t any good stolen content on TPB..”

          You seem confused. There is no stolen content on Pirate Bay, there is only fully legal non-infringing non-copyrighted torrent files, that people have a legal right to download.

          However, if we for a second play along with your ignorant rewrite of reality and the technical and logical facts, you are aware of the fact that there are many countries in the world were all non-profit filesharing is fully legal, so that people there have a legal right to upload the last Hollywood movie on the Internet, from where anyone can download it?

          > “..You cannot deny that simple fact.”

          It is not a fact, it’s an incorrect rewrite of reality.

          > “Nobody is going there for weather reports.”

          No, people are going there to use their human rights protected freedom to seek, receive and impart information through any media and regardless of frontiers”, through legally uploading, indexing, searching for and downloading fully legal non-infringing non-copyrighted torrent files.

          Had you had any real life experience you would have known about these facts.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @BobMail

          “TPB is at best something that exists in a legal limbo, by playing the game of jurisdiction, and having parts of it’s functionality occur in other places and with other users all over the planet, so as to make it hard to use existing laws to properly prosecute it.”

          “Legal limbo”? You are currently describing every man, woman and child on the planet. That which is not expressly forbidden is expressly allowed. This a basic fundamental tenet of law.

          According to the “distribution of guilt” you describe, General Motors are direct accomplices of everyone breaking the speed limit.

          I can even point at a whole plethora of GM advertising making the tacit assumption that speeding is the actual goal of owning a car in the first place.

          Your entire argument as to what TPB’s visitors are into is defunct right there. Unless you want to make the same argument for BMW and Porsche as well?

          “Quite simply, if there wasn’t any good stolen content on TPB, nobody would go there. You cannot deny that simple fact. Nobody is going there for weather reports.”

          There is no stolen content at all on TPB. Case closed.

          So aside from an argument entirely based on a bunch of manifest falsehoods, do you have anything actually relevant to say?

          And while we’re at it, picking a nick implying you are an anonymous spam mail service doesn’t add any credibility.

      • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

        “Democracy means that all citizens are not happy will all laws but still have to comply or be prepared to face the consequences.”

        Just lol. That doesn’t sound like Democracy at all.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Agreed. Missing that bullshit infringes on numerous human rights.

          Basically, if you are not physically harming someone else, nothing should be illegal.

      • Trespass

        As I recall, very few of the Swedish citizens were happy with the threats from the American government and sharing for personal use was legal until harassed by a third party, The US threatened sanctions, and bullied Sweden into submission.

        I find it hard to believe the majority of Swedish citizens are opposed to sharing for personal use. That would make an interesting poll…

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “American government and sharing for personal use was legal until harassed by a third party, The US threatened sanctions, and bullied Sweden into submission.”

          According to a pirate conspiracy theory?

          Are you referring to the law changes 2006? They were based on a EU directive from 2001.

        • Fredrika

          > “They were based on a EU directive from 2001.”

          There is no EU directive that says that downloads has to be forbidden.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          No, Nejtillpirater, according to FACTS and unclassified documents from the government.

        • Trespass

          @Nejtillpirater

          “According to a pirate conspiracy theory?”

          Actually according to mainstream media. Covered extensively by Torrentfreak as well. You obviously respect their journalism as shown by the amount of time you spend here…

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @nejtillpirater

          “According to a pirate conspiracy theory?”

          According to the wikileaks embassy cables? Pretty well founded “theory” in that case, since the US embassy openly admits that Sweden caved to applied pressure.

      • Fredrika

        > “TPB is illegal in the democracy of Sweden.”

        No, please stop lying.

      • Pelham123

        Nejtill, democracy does not mean government officials who are elected are beyond reproach, sanction or dissent. That’s freaking ridiculous.

        I like to see you branching out into new areas where you can display your inability to reason.

      • Pelham123

        You know what, Net? I’ve rethought your posts a little bit.

        You remind me of a mentally disabled guy on a lot of meds who was told that “all drinking is wrong” (because it’s unhealthy for him) and then lectures other people every time they crack a beer.

        You don’t understand the difference between ripping somebody else’s CD and stealing, so YOU should not do either. We still can and will.

        Based on your stated understanding of law and morality, YOU should DEFINITELY “comply or be prepared to face the consequences.” Stick to that. Just don’t assume us differently abled people are in the same position as you. We can see things you can’t.

        That may be hard for you, because from your perspective “we’re getting free stuff.” That’s not what’s happening but in your mind, that’s what you see. You should NOT do likewise.

      • joexxx

        TPB is not illegal is Sweden. Stop spreading disinformation.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        TPB is still quite legal in Sweden. And in mot other nations.

        You’ve been lying about that for four years now and it still isn’t true.

        Would you like to go to a judge, prosecutor, or general attorney and have it confirmed for you?

      • Thomas Aquinas

        what you are describing is fascism, democracy is when all citizens are not happy with something, they work to change it, and that success should depend both on the popularity and support, and the tenacity to stick w ith something. not on the wishes of a few greedy jews of the hollywood mafia.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “greedy jews

          Rasist, I’m flagging that.

    • PirateSoldier

      Another reason why vpns are popular.

    • Bananas

      i was tought the pirate party was BS, but now more than ever i think it is a serious necessity.

  • guess who

    can anyone say proxy server?

    • RIAAtarded

      arrrgh… stop giving advice on evading the blockade, you need to stop the laws from being enacted in the first place. Now that it is there try and get it overturned. Looking for loopholes means you’re in a retreat mode already and for all intensive purpose they’ve won. All these sites have legit content and even the stuff they consider questionable from a legal standpoint isn’t considered so by every country. What they are doing is censoring you based on the claim of 1 group. What happens when the next group pops up, you’ve already set a precedent so why not filter based on religious or socioeconomic beliefs? Plus once they censor the net do you think it’ll stop there and they won’t go after proxies, VPN, VPS, servers, etc?

      Anything worth having is worth fighting for and nothing can be won by running away and evading it.

      • guess who

        i agree with you, but as an interim solution they can use a proxy server.

      • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

        “stop giving advice on evading the blockade, you need to stop the laws from being enacted in the first place.”

        Agreed. These laws and organizations need to be destroyed, not evaded.
        It’s only a matter of time before they go after what you say in your own homes, and later still till thought crimes.

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          In The Year 2525… lol.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        True as far as it goes.

        However, in trying to correct manifestly unjust laws, civil disobedience is first needed. Only when the copyright industry has found all reasonable avenues comprehensively exhausted and has started in on completely unreasonable ones will the common man in the street be affected.

        And that’s when we see change. When upholding the status quo becomes an obvious and present harm or disturbance to society as a whole.

        We’re almost there now. The domain seizures and the collateral damage was the starts. The six-strikes and the inevitable fallout will add. After that, if anyone is insane enough to go after encryption, the scales tip, since the copyright industry will, by then, have declared open war on EVERY online commerce.

    • ScrewEwe2

      proxy server

  • SomeYahoo

    gee, the way things are going, soon the internet’s gonna become the proxynet

    …or the nolongerexisternet

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      No, it’s going to become the encrypted darknet, where every site uses .onion routing and ‘exit nodes’ are a thing of the past.

  • YoudontneedtoknowwhoIam

    PLah! Can anyone say Torrentreactor sucks to start with?

    • NewClear

      It does suck, but the point is still that these sites are being blocked and censored without due process. No site, regardless of how annoying ofvirus ridden it is should be blocked just because of some bribery on the part of corporate executives to governments.

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  • Guest

    Who cares, by blocking these sites only will drive users to other sites and more sites will crop up in their place.

  • Forensics Man

    What the what?! Torrent sites makes over 1 million?!

    • Anon

      Maybe the absolute biggest ones like kickass and thepiratebay, but these two are very small sites in comparison (10-20x smaller).

  • CCd

    other ways incoming, no fear.

  • http://profiles.google.com/pianogamer Knut Harald

    You wouldn’t index a car?

    • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

      reminds me of the first minute and a half of “moss and the german”, lol

  • Dondilly

    What amazes me with the mafiaa inflated figures on torrent site profits is that if the figures were true, it would prove the MAFIAA to be using the wrong business model as there is more money to be made giving music awayd free on ad supported torrent sites.

  • http://twitter.com/qwertyoruiop qwertyoruiop

    Italian and not proud of it.
    Legalize file sharing and weed!

  • Guest

    Well surely the MAFFIA will feel right at home in Italy.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Ifpi was founded in what was then fascist Italy in 1933 – under Mussolini’s rule.

      So yes, The MAFIAA does feel right at home there. Information control is right up the alley of fascists and communists.

  • Hbmlfpjv

    This might actually be great news.
    At least 600,000 Italinans will have to find out what a proxy is and how easy it is to bypass stupid blocades.

    Don’t forget to teach everyone you know too, relatives, friends

    Good job mafiaa! xD

    • Speakee

      Proxies are helpful but this is not a win situation,
      if Italians want to make something worthy for themselves,
      they will go to tell their politicians they don’t want those restrictions and laws.

      USA and Europe are going backwards now.

  • frozar

    FFFUUUUK. They pissed out the Sopranos.

  • Anon

    The noose is slowly tightening on pirates. Even while you download copyrighted articles on blogs, the police are coming to apprehend you for your theft. Soon VPN will be regulated and banned, then computers. I will enjoy your punishment as you are spanked by officers of the law wearing gloves.

    • Guest

      Welcome to Whacky land home to 100 nuts, a squirrel and Anon.

      • Speakee

        @ Anon

        “The noose is slowly tightening on pirates. Even while you download copyrighted articles on blogs, the police are coming to apprehend you for your theft. Soon VPN will be regulated and banned, then computers. I will enjoy your punishment as you are spanked by officers of the law wearing gloves”.

        So, you’re telling your happiness is only achieved when others suffer?
        That’s not life, or at least, that’s a pathetic and sad life.
        Now I can understand why you’re in favor of these things, “le miserable”.

    • Hbmlfpjv

      And then you woke up.

      dream on lol

    • Guest

      Dream on.

      Anyone has the right to use a VPN.

      • Anyone

        yes I do

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        That is not obvious. In many countries it’s illegal to wear a mask when participating in a demonstration. Use of VPN for copryright infringement is not OK.

        My guess is that VPN services must include data retention so the police can investigate the logs upon suspicion. VPN services that don’t comply will be illegal. VPN services shall allow you to be anonymous to everyone else but the police.

        • Guest

          Yes, let’s retain data on Chinese journalists so their government can go after them on the flimsiest of premises.

          You’re such a poster child for fascism, Nej. Sucked Daddy Pelouzey off today yet?

        • Guest

          According to the United Charters a person has the right to privacy. What you suggest is a breech of this charter.

        • Guest

          “This is not obvious” – It is not obvious to you because it goes against your opinion and your opinion is not the law.

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          “In many countries it’s illegal to wear a mask when participating in a demonstration.”

          This doesn’t help your argument at all. Some is not All. A law doesn’t justify itself.

          I don’t see how this really relates to VPNs. Sounds like you want everyone to walk around with there ID/Drivers-license and SS# printed on there shirt.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “It is not obvious to you because it goes against your opinion and your opinion is not the law.”

          No but my opinion matches the law very well, that does not apply to the pirates.

        • Fredrika

          > “No but my opinion matches the law very well..”

          Not the slightest.

          > “..that does not apply to the pirates.”

          The pirate’s claims match the law perfectly, unlike yours.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Nejtillpirater, you miss that at one time, homosexuality was illegal. At one time, heterosexuality outside of marriage was illegal. At one time, marijuana was illegal and now it isn’t in quite a few states.

          The law is a changing, and this faggotry is the next law that is going to be changed or challenged because most people are doing legal timeshifting of things that they have already paid for via Cable TV and Satellite TV memberships.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Oh, and as to the ‘wearing a mask during a demonstration’? Those laws have never been challenged in a court of law in most jurisdictions using the “Right to Anonymity” human right arguments.

          So, to say that it is illegal misses that it hasn’t been challenged in a court of law on certain grounds that would, most likely, get the law thrown out.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @Christopher Kidwell

          “Nejtillpirater, you miss that at one time, homosexuality was illegal. At one time, heterosexuality outside of marriage was illegal. At one time, marijuana was illegal and now it isn’t in quite a few states.”

          Sure, but copyright laws are even more important now in the 21st century. The Swedish copyright law was subject to an investigation regarding the need of revision 2011 and the conclusion was that no major changes were required, only changes in wording and layout were proposed to make it easier to understand relative to modern technology. The investigation showed that the current law is still valid even in the 21st century.

        • Anyone

          what do you expect paid off politicians to say?

        • magpieGRL

          You would like that, wouldn’t you?

          So who pays you for posting shit like this?

        • Fredrika

          > “That is not obvious.”

          It is factual.

          > “Use of VPN for copryright infringement is not OK.”

          Ok according to your opinion?

          > “My guess is that VPN services must include data retention..”

          In EU and your native country VPN’s are strictly forbidden from doing so.

          > “VPN services that don’t comply will be illegal.”

          In your dreams? Not in reality.

          > “VPN services shall allow you to be anonymous to everyone else but the police.”

          You have an opinion i see, one that people in Iran and China probably appreciates that only you have.

        • joexxx

          Your guess is, as always, wrong. Don’t go to Vegas with your guessing ability!

        • BuddhaFacePalmed

          Of course in the 21st century copyright laws are important, just like how slavery was important to crop owners in America 19th century, the outlaw of the printing press by the church during the Renaissance, corporal punishment to kids during Victorian England. All perfectly legitimate laws by governments in power, irregardless of the ethics and moral consequences.

          Copyright laws are important, to the MAFIAA whose powers as gatekeepers & controllers of our cultures are fast eroding.

          Besides, once your so-called monitoring devices are in place on the internet, what guarantees can you make that future governments won’t use it to abuse their citizen’s rights?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          The problem – as usual when you spout ill-conceived gibberish about irrelevant comparisons – is that using a VPN is not equivalent to wearing a mask while participating in a demonstration.

          Using a VPN is the direct equivalent of speaking to another person in a language not understood by a policeman listening nearby or whispering.

          From a civic perspective, banning a VPN means you are not allowed to communicate where the government can not hear you. In itself a catastrophe.

          From a practical point of view it’s unenforceable since it is impossible to know that a transmission is encrypted to start with, unless you record the entire exchange and then fail to open it in every format known to man.

          In short, trying to ban VPN or proxy usage means you need to monitor – in real time – the entire internet. This means using super-science unachievable by any conceivable computer advancement within the non-quantum paradigm.

          You would be well aware of this and not even try to talk such nonsense, if you knew even the most fundamental aspect of Information Technology.

          Intriguingly you have many time tried to push the view that you are, in fact, an expert with many years of IT experience.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @magpieGRL

          “You would like that, wouldn’t you?

          So who pays you for posting shit like this?”

          According to what he has claimed in the four years that he’s been spamming Christian Engström’s blog, Rick Falkvinges blog, and any other blog which would admit him, he does this for free. Trying to demolish civil rights since they don’t fit his moral compass.

          Which is kinda sad since Clowns usually can expect a salary for making an ass of themselves.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GU43EPIIFPT4SZQYYCXUDMZG5I DJ Night Force 9

      Yup. 2 sites down in one country, 15 sites will likely be up to replace them, hundreds of more countries remaining to block the original site. Yeah, that’s totally tightening the noose on pirates *rolls eyes*.

      Also, haven’t seen any police knocking on my door because in my country, they actually care more about “real” crimes rather than the prosperity of some really crappy business that just needs to roll over and die.

    • I’mTruthful

      On these “copyrighted articles on blogs” we download, most of us would enjoy reading your obituary……..

    • joexxx

      What’s next, banning gravity?
      Think before you post.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Actually, both “Anon” and “Nejtillpirater” have at times come up with startling conclusions just as illogical as banning gravity – and trying to enforce it.

        Specifically they predict that within a few measly years we’ll have “science” even Gene Roddenberry didn’t dream of which will magically handle the problem of even discovering that a transmission IS encrypted in the first place.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Nice trolling there.

      What you meant to say is that this action, identical to every attempted block so far, will magically turn out with a different outcome?

      “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
      – Albert Einstein”

      And the same for VPN where you obviously have less of a clue as to the impossibility you suggest than that of a medieval churchman crying in outrage over the earth turning out to revolve around the sun.

  • Who

    who the hell uses them sites anymore? LOL

  • Bjohensson

    I live in Italy and I use VPN. I am not blocked on any sites including the Pirate Bay. Use VPN !! It is not expensive and you will not have this problem to worry about!

  • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

    Bleh. Why are we searching for torrents on sites? We need to be able to search for torrents directly, not through sites. Why is Torrent Freak not giving us an update on anonymous torrenting?

    • Anyone

      Tribler is slowly making progress

      the latest client is quite usable

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      “We need to be able to search for torrents directly, not through sites”

      And then will this use of technology be blocked.

      • Guest

        And the only way to block is to shutdown the whole entire internet. This will never happen. Dream on.

      • Guest

        You can find torrents directly on Google, but Google is not blocked is it.

      • Fredrika

        > “And then will this use of technology be blocked.”

        Computers connecting with other computers will be blocked? Like in Iran?

        • Anon

          No, probably not. It’s never been the technology, Fredrika, it’s been the unlawful abuse of the technology to circumvent and/or break the law. That’s really the whole foundation of this mess. If pirates used dinner plates to evade the law and break it government would be limiting the use and access to dinner plates, right? And they’d be justified with 1000 years of civilized precedent. When in history has this not been true?

          I believe the EU has stated that internet access is a human right, although that may change with the ITU this week in Dubai. So I hope long before any more loss of freedom or surveillance of our dinner plates is contemplated, they just start taking you away from the technology, instead of the technology away from you. Hana Beshara-style.

        • Fredrika

          > “No, probably not.”

          But he just said that technology used for searching for files should be blocked? If two computers can connect to each other, they can search for files.

          > “It’s never been the technology..//..it’s been the unlawful abuse of the technology to circumvent and/or break the law.”

          Which computers are used for.

          > “That’s really the whole foundation of this mess.”

          The whole foundation for this mess is the copyright monopoly, which society has no proven need for, which means it should go, the copyright monopoly that interferes with things that people don’t feel it should interfere with.

          This has lead some weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market to start acting like little spoiled entitled freetard children. How to educate these ignorant freetards? Dismantle the copyright monopoly, so that they are forced to grow up and start taking responsibility for themselves.

          > “If pirates used dinner plates to evade the law and break it government would be limiting the use and access to dinner plates, right?”

          The discussion was not about limit use and access, now was it? It was about blocking certain use of an object that people have in their possession, and in reality no objects are legislatively blocked so that they can’t be used for crimes.

          > “And they’d be justified with 1000 years of civilized precedent.”

          First of all it has never happened before during the last thousand years, so that’s a lie of yours.

          Secondly, if something has happened before, that does not justify that something should happen in the future. Is justification a concept you don’t grasp, as with accountability and how business is?

          > “When in history has this not been true?”

          It never has. You lied.

          > “..they just start taking you away from the technology, instead of the technology away from you.”

          Normal people hope that laws that society has no proven need for, laws that every seventh person on this planet regularly disobeys, is dismantled.

          But than again, you openly applaud fascism and advocate rape of human beings, so nobody really cares for what you hope for..

          > “Hana Beshara-style.”

          What happened in the past to an individual is irrelevant for a billion pirates that can’t be touched neither legislatively nor technically.

        • Anyone

          @Anon
          so when is the use of cars going to be limited?
          after all they are used as getaway vehicles or cause thousands of deadly accidents each year

          or how about sueing the post office for copyright infringement because someone decides to send a copied CD via mail?

          copyright has to be abolished, that’s the only course forward, it has long outlived its usefulness

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Anon

          “If pirates used dinner plates to evade the law and break it government would be limiting the use and access to dinner plates, right?”

          Are you certifiably insane? The most common tool of murder are knives, bare hands, and blunt objects. And yet, for some odd and inexplicable reason, you don’t see government amputating people and confiscating their hammers.

          VPN, proxies and encryption has dual use which surpasses even that of a common carpet knife.

          “And they’d be justified with 1000 years of civilized precedent. When in history has this not been true?”

          If by “not true” you mean “always, invariably” then yes, it’s “not true”. If we go by the dictionary definition and common understanding of your words, then NEVER.
          Throughout ALL of recorded history we see NO successful example of even trying to ban ubiquitous dual-use technology. Your comparison of VPN/encryption to dinner plates is apt, but that’s as far as it goes.

          My god, man, according to you, the only reason King Knut failed to order the tides around seems to be that he was too lenient about the whole thing…

          What do you have for your next performance? A claim that sufficient enforcement will render the earth flat and make the sun move around it?

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          “little spoiled entitled freetard children”

          +1 hahaha

      • joexxx

        Try to block it. I want to see you do it.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Ah. As in forbidding math and disallowing the use of personal computers?

        See “freenet” for an example of why you are talking out of staggering ignorance once again. Or for a more recent version, see “Tribbler”.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “Ah. As in forbidding math and disallowing the use of personal computers?”

          Not at all. Technology is never illegal, it’s certain use of technology to achieve something illegal, irrespectively of the used technology. Tracker, magnet links, bittorrent or ftp – doesn¨t matter, the law is neutral to used technology. Each technology can be used for legal as well as illegal purposes. That’s why I wrote “this use of technology” and not “this technology”.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @nejtillpirater

          “That’s why I wrote “this use of technology” and not “this technology”.”

          There is no distinction, NTP, and your inability to understand this simple fact is what tells me quite clearly that you have no clue how a computer works.

          You see, USE of technology and the technology ITSELF is one and the same when the TECHNOLOGY is actually the information describing it.

          Hence the possession of a computer in itself explicitly provides the full and explicit use of encryption and proxying completely outside any realm of intervention by any outside agency.

          In short, you can’t enforce any control whatsoever unless you ban math from being taught in schools.

          Nor can you as an outsider see any distinction between person A contacting person B and sending him/her email, gibbberish, or an encrypted media file. Not even the NSA can make the distinction, using every resource at their disposal.

          So…your hypothetical law is completely irrelevant. Like a law stating it’s forbidden to use certain words in whispered conversation. As long as people can whisper at all, you do not possess the ability to prevent them from using the word.

          I’m afraid we’re back at the comparison where you try to persuade the mechanic that putting square wheels on the car will stop speeders from driving too fast, again.
          And I’m giving you funny looks and trying to inform you – in as kindly a manner as possible – that it is not practically possible and that you make assumptions reality can not back.

  • Anonymous

    obviously the entertainment industries have provided the authorities with the info stating that the sites are profiting heavily and as usual those entertainment industries have proof and would never lie, would they!! any fucking idiot can pull figures out of their arse to back up whatever they want! even if the sites were profiting heavily, the lesson to be learnt is that the official outlets cant be giving customers what they want. the next lesson to be learnt is that customers need to be catered for and listened to (4 month wait for Skyfall on disc in the UK!), so a change of business model would result in a change of fortune, in more ways than one, for the industries. shame that the courts have the time and resources to waste on this sort of thing rather than going after real criminals. also a shame that the courts take notice in this type of case of ‘estimates, guess work and approximates’ rather than proof, which is what i was under the impression that all convictions were supposed to be based on

  • Foff

    You know what is fucking bullshit about this. In the history torrents the mafiaa continually makes the claim that torrent sites are a goldmine yet to date I know of no torrent site operators that are living a lavish lifestyle thanks to the site. Those that run the tpb are certainly not acting like millionaires. Why are judges so incredibly stupid and continue to buy this argument. Throw out the money argument and the justification for blocking the site looks silly.

    When will the turd trolls and mafiaa understand that most sharing is not all that motivated by money. There are are sites that make good money like cyber lockers but no legitimate pirate websites make money off of copyrighted material. I visit several sites have never donated, some don’t even ask, block the ads so I don’t see them and get my download links for free.

    So mafiaa stop saying people are making money off of copyright holders that run a site you damn dick heads! Get your facts straight.

  • Barfff

    How the hell did KickassTorrents and TorrentReactor get banned by ISPs?

    Unlike the Pirate Bay, these sites have always complied 100% with copyright claims and takedown demands, no different than YouTube.

    Will Italy block Youtube and Google next?

    • Anyone

      independent artists still can publish on those sites

      so they have to be blocked

    • Xult

      Niow you are getting it!

      • Xult

        Now

    • joexxx

      It’s Italy. If you’ve been to Italy, you’ll understand.

  • Dude

    $1.72 and $1.17 million.
    Damn that’s alot lol. Who needs a job when you can start a torrent site. Im assuming these guys have big mansions and nice cars and a chef.

    Where are the money amounts coming from lol.

  • Ionut_s88

    i live in Italy, we’re the shame of Europe, we have the slowest internet and this the only country that blocks torrent sites, i gotta move

    • Anyone

      don’t worry, the netherlands and the UK also block sites
      and France has the silly Hadopi law that is slowly failing

      so you are in good company

      hopefully this will all be fixed soon and we can once again enjoy living in a free society

  • Foff

    I have wonder why the mafiaa and courts waste time ordering a blockade that a monkey could evade. Kind of like guarding the borders with a couple of guards at the road crossing the border and forgetting that anyone could walk across anywhere else and calling the borders secure. Or even better guarding a couple roads and leaving a hundred others unguarded.

    Is the judge a retard? Does he not realize that the same torrent is on 50 other unblocked sites and that his/her order is worthless and a waste of everybody’s time.

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  • JoTimmJo

    lol, Like anyone cares about what some Italian kangaroo court says lol

    Anon-Hide.tk

  • VPN

    How many people leave their VPN on all the time?

    I always use my VPN. I feel naked without it.

  • Violated0

    Here is a good example of what is wrong with the copyright world.

    It is of course the end users who infringe where many of them are proud to be an infringer / pirate but the copyright people don’t often attack them where this is resource wasteful and upsets their customer base. So it is much more effective to attack the facilitators like these BT sites or cyberlockers when this can cut off hundreds of thousands of infringers at once.

    There are problems in this concept though when the law says that technology that has a lawful use is lawful even if it can be used for major infringement. Services though cannot support or promote infringement though. There is also the DMCA and EUCD which makes services subject to infringement lawful only by following a few extra rules.

    One reason why TPB is important is because they stick to the line of the law meaning they do not follow DMCA or EUCD law because they host no copyright protected media and neither do they directly link to it.

    By contrast Google does follow the DMCA and EUCD where they damage their service through the millions of take down requests monthly even if they have no lawful obligation to remove a single link. Well it helps to keep them out of court and TPB crew hide for the same reason.

    The game has changed this year when now the US Government wants to get involved and hammer to death any popular service. They can’t have lawful services following the DMCA and EUCD of course when businesses just following the law can’t stop infringement. So time for them to drop the virtual bombs in this War on infringement.

    Again why have site owners face the law and a 50/50 coin flip for guilty/innocent when you can avoid the whole legality question by censoring the whole site from the Internet without that question ever being asked.

    All this naturally ignores the reality when it is 2 billion of the population who do infringe and the reason why all this happens. Now if you turn around this situation the truth is revealed when if people only uploaded lawful files to the BT network then TPB and other BT sites would have no problems at all.

    So this War is really between the MAFIAA infested US Government and 1/3rd of the population of planet Earth. Even if they destroyed every BT site in existance they would still lose because the demand is still there and people will always step up with new technology to meet that demand.

    What makes me sad is that official services were years behind the piracy choice where they still make for a second rate choice. For example I checked both US and UK NetFlix for IMDB’s highest rated animated movie “Spirited Away” and they don’t even have it. Top rated, highly popular, Oscar winning movie and NetFlix… fail.

    I don’t blame NetFlix for this though when they have to live by rules that simply do not serve the public need, that fail to meet market demand, because they only serve right holders need for control. By contrast one trip to Torrentz can locate any media I need any time I need it.

    • Gosh

      Gosh. Are you saying that Torrents and UseNet are highly efficient systems? Wow. What a concept. The world at your fingertips.

      Nah. Fuck that. Censorship and greed is the way to go.

    • BobMail

      Actually, Torrents and Usenet are two of the least effecient ways to share information. They are unreliable, they don’t have good archiving systems, and they incredibly amounts of wasteful overhead in trying to hide the users.

      P2P isn’t efficient at all. It’s just common.

      • SomeYahoo

        do you know a better alternative? any that is beyond the MAFIAA’s technical reach is one i’d be happy with

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        P2P is “inefficient”?

        OK, now I smell a troll. Not too surprising from a guy who nicknames himself after a spam mail provider.

        P2P is the most efficient distribution system currently in existence as it decentralizes both necessary processing power and bandwidth requirements. Meaning that it requires NO central units. Maintenance and operation of each node is already provided by the existence of internet connection and a PC.

        As for Usenet you may have a point. It’s main standing point is simplicity and resiliency. It still outcompetes or goes on-par with just about every other method relying on central servers though.

  • Anonymous

    i cant believe these idiots. do they not read the news at all? how many times have reports been published about the bull shit figures the entertainment industries put out? how many times have those industries been shown to be abject liars? all that needs to happen is an ‘Italian-friendly’ site to be started and the dat-and-mouse game gets underway, similar to the one over TPB. NO ONE EVER WINS FROM THIS!! if what they say is true about the number of visitors for each of the sites and the number of page views, what does that tell you? that those sites are catering for the wants of the public where the entertainment industries are doing the exact opposite! look at the delays imposed for selling movie disks. there is a 4 month wait befor being able to buy the latest Bond movie. by the time it can be bought, the next one will be in the cinema! talk about sound business strategy, i dont think. what a bunch of fucking morons! screw over as much as possible, as often as possible the very people relied on to keep a business running!

  • Xoom

    Oh well, some more free PR for the sites that some people did not know about and as time goes by VPN companies get more and more business ;)

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  • IRA

    The name of the judge? its high time we started public executions of all MAFIA members as well as all those who support their unlawful agenda both foreign and domestic,
    Remember, they think tey are invincible, hiding behind all these mellions and bent FBI and corrupt judges. Let us show them whats what.

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  • Aoidsjaosijdasd

    The only technological advancement that Italy is so quick to adapt: blocking download sites. what a great country…

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  • Kulla

    There’s a site where u can use a proxy to log on tpb, kickasstorrents, torrents,net and torrentreactor:

    It’s famous in Italy.

    http://itorrent.altervista.org/

  • wala

    italia aso-aso kahiya

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