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Major File-Sharing Sites Go Dark To Protest Anti-Download Law

A coalition of file-sharing sites are voluntarily taking themselves offline to protest against the likely passing of new legislation tomorrow. The sites, which together are believed to generate up to 70% of Spain’s Internet traffic, will display a black page warning that if the so-called Sinde Act is approved, their sites could disappear forever. Earlier this month, cables leaked by Wikileaks showed that Spain had bowed to US pressure to introduce the law.

noalcierreIn recent times, Spanish courts have ruled repeatedly that subject to some fairly minor conditions, operating a file-sharing site falls within the boundaries of the law.

However, as shown by diplomatic cables recently leaked by Wikileaks, under pressure from the United States, the Spanish Government proposed new legislation to close loopholes and provide sweeping new anti-filesharing powers.

The Sustainable Economy Law (LES) is likely to be approved in Spain tomorrow and is expected to pose a real problem to file-sharing sites. The legislation, popularly known as the Sinde Act in reference to its main driving force Minister of Culture Ángeles González-Sinde, has been widely protested but could be fully adopted as early as February next year.

The law will provides for the creation of a Commission on Intellectual Property under the Ministry of Culture. It would have the power to deal with complaints against websites that link to copyright movies, music and software, including blocking and taking them offline.

The opposition to the passing of the legislation is growing, not least due to the decision by Congress to approve the Sustainable Economy Law in a single meeting. Although the bill will pass to the Senate, Congress will be able to ignore any amendments introduced there.

In response, many of Spain’s largest file-sharing sites will be protesting today by voluntarily taking themselves offline. Each will display the message shown below (translated from Spanish) and link to anti-censorship website No al Cierre de Webs.

Sinde Protest

The list of sites includes Cinetube, DivxTotal, Mydescarga, Peliculasyonkis, Series Danko, Seriespepito, Seriesyonkis and SuBTorrents.

It is believed that in total the sites, which have millions of pageviews, help to generate up to 70% of Spain’s Internet traffic. However, the new law could take them offline very quickly indeed.

Following complaints by rightsholders to the Commission on Intellectual Property, site status would be reviewed by a court which would then be required to take action within 4 days.

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  • Don

    disgusting how they want to control everyone

  • theProfessor

    So Spain will just be like everywhere else now, where people just ignore the law and still DL

  • jon7272

    does that mean 70%lost income for the isps

  • Tarsel

    OMG, this is just the most stupid form of protest I’ve seen.
    I bet the people from the MAFIAA just have to laugh their asses off:
    “Hey look, we don’t have to cut thier websites offline, because the pirates already did that for us.”

    Taking your website offline for a protest against Internet censorship is as lame as shooting yourself a bullet into your head to protest against death penalties.

    Man, that is not protest, that’s surrender!

  • Sketch

    “We surrender” is one hell of a war cry boys…..wtf?

  • DngnRdr

    Tarsel (#4) has a point… seems like giving them what they want isn’t exactly the best way to protest. The people who support the sites will miss out, those who don’t won’t care and the only people who will notice (other than the supporters) will be the ISPs who aren’t really in a position to stop the laws.

  • Anonymous

    Funny how the united states dictate the law in every other country. Does that mean we now get to vote in the US also? I mean voting in our own country for our own beliefs is clearly pointless. This is why we need binding referendums. Because buying the right politician will get laws pushed that serve only a handful of people in a foreign country. RAAAGE!

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  • An0nYm0uS

    Personally if this reaches our country, the troops are ready to fight against any US presence.
    We will not stand for the US pushing around anyone who does not do as ordered.

    We stand strong,
    We stand firm,
    We fight for freedom,
    We fight for liberty,
    We die for honor,
    We die for justice.

    We will never back down.
    You have been warned.

  • Butthurt Bob

    I expect this to work about as well as the hungerstrike did for the Nigerian artists. 

  • Anonymous

    #4
    Showing people “shit just got real” will hopefully wake them up. Showing them how fucked up censorship is will hopefully wake them up. Money might drive corporate decisions, but inconvenience drives the public. Spark discussions on social networks because of “why is x down” questions, ect. And is not the same as giving up, because they will be up again the next day.

    Also: not_sure_if_troll_or_just_very_stupid.jpg

  • hmm

    last person leaving the internet please switch the light off

  • storm

    guys, 70% of the internet traffic means a very significant numbers of Spain internet user are directly or indirectly affected by this.

    its like taking drugs away from drug addicts

    this protest is not to show the isp who is in power. It is to rouse the user themselves to protest.

    a few website would not make much difference. A few thousand consumers WILL make a difference.

  • Anonyarse

    Oh, An0nYm0uS, shut up you moron, you have no power, you’re just a bunch of pathetic kids. Your greatest achievement to date has been taking a website offline for a few hours, totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things. You’re a joke…

  • Golindo

    @Tarsel: Or it will cause many p2p users to complain and say what they think of the new law…

  • anno

    Wikileaks need to be gone. Extradite Julian, and send him to gitmo.
    There’s a big difference from downloading the latest movie and putting human lives at risk.

  • Anonymous

    “Internet is a TV again”

  • flagg

    Hey Anno, can you demonstrate a single life that has been endangered by Wikileaks? No, I thought not! GTFO and stop trolling!

  • anno

    @flagg

    The potential is sadly real and yes, I could raise an argument of many situations.

    “GTFO and stop trolling”?

    Ironic.

  • UserOfFacts

    Many on here are misssing the point of these sites going ‘offline’ for a day. It isn’t meant to be a protest but instead is to alert all the people that use these sites as to what is going on. Not everybody reads TorrentFreak.
    A good way to let the users know what is happening to the internet and who is influencing it.

  • FranticFrank

    I thought that the rule of law was that if you were doing something deemed to be legal prior to a law being passed that then criminalises that practice, then the law cannot be applied to pre-existing “artwork,” so surely any site built prior to the enacting of this law are safe from prosecution (take the Anti-Iraq War guy outside the House of Parliament (UK) as a case in point )

  • Anon

    I think it´s something COOL, one day protest from users and later when they try to take of line all of them, they growing back double rate…

    We have power and we will wield it as we will.

  • uhhuh

    @anno
    Hey the guy that leaked all that shit is in military jail…
    HE IS THE ONLY GUILTY ONE. He is the one that took the info, he is the one who sent it out. If wikileaks and its admins are to be blamed…. then every American newpaper that ever printed a leaked story should be shut down and their owners and admins should all be shot….
    And I am American and so fed up with our Government… I can’t wait for the next batch to be up.

  • FranticFrank

    @flagg(false) are you on student placement for Warner Bros anti-piracy division by any chance?

  • Anon

    14 Dec 20, 2010 at 13:56 by anno
    Wikileaks need to be gone. Extradite Julian, and send him to gitmo.
    There’s a big difference from downloading the latest movie and putting human lives at risk.

    Oh, and fourteenth comment, you forgot sarcasm mark did you – oh you did – I know it – ;-) I will too like to wikileaks disapear like yuo :=) yes ;-) .

  • Aditya

    @UserOfFacts I completely agree and I think it will be a great idea for all the sites around the world to do the same here in India almost all use these sites but no one even knows what MPAA and ACTA is….no one knows aout these new laws being passed just imagine the entire human population (using internet) will know whats going on and then we can all take a better decision….If only TPB would have asked its user to show up at the court for support…..

  • Anonymous

    under pressure from the United States, the Spanish Government proposed new legislation to close loopholes and provide sweeping new anti-filesharing powers.
    FUCKOFF MAFIAA

    why isn’t some folks supergluing the doors of the MAFIAA offices in a regular basis ???

  • SomeIdiot

    Is the point of this protest not to encourage the users in which use these sites to stand up against the law an oppose the ruling in the hope they can still use these sites in the near future? Although still 96% of the users who use these sites will just sit on their asses whining and then move on to a new site.

  • johnson

    it makes no difference what form protests take. everyone needs to realise that it is too late to stop this and any other law to curb file sharing. no notice of the public will be taken. the entertainment industries are spending huge amounts of money (bribes) to get these laws passed and they wont stop. as for the USA, they want to control the world and the internet. i still dont understand why one industry can do what it has done/is doing when it is going to be to the detriment of many more web sites. the money that will be lost when users are kicked off the internet will far out way even the exaggerated figures, let alone the real figures of what the ‘industries’ reckon they are losing. governments want to control everything. they cant control the internet without taking the ridiculous measures they are now.

  • revolution

    The form of protest might seem a bit odd, but I think they want to get the public involved and make them stand up for their rights, since their “representatives” won’t. People have become too apathetic. And because of this politicians and their benefactors (aka lobbyists) have been working hard to take your rights away. Not just in terms of filesharing, but also when it comes to privacy and basic rights, apparently because of the huge terrorism threat and to top it all off, their exporting people’s jobs to overseas for cheap slave labour.

    In my opinion, people, you, we, should get ourselves guns and clubs and beat the living shit out of these fucks!

  • Noob

    @ 18 Dec 20, 2010 at 14:10 by anno

    Ya man you are a toll since you couldnt even come up with a situation where people are going to die

  • so

    What about everyone (world-wide) refraining from downloading and torrenting for a month, and at the same time also refraining from buying any music and film and go to cinemas?

    Now that would be an interesting experiment (protest?)…

  • GOLDSILVERDIAMONDFELDFARBSTEINWEINERMANN

    Where is my MONEY!!!

  • tude

    @1 I know, Right? It’s sick how these torrent sites want to control everybody else’s products.

  • Ninja

    Maybe the leaked cables may cause some serious setback to the plans. Still it’s a shame they bowed. Hope Spnish ppl fight back.

  • reflex-vision

    The sense to this lies in the response of the people. Only the as protesters or large enough group to lobby change can reject or demand a change to a law…but the law has to exist first.

    After all the years laughing at them, MPAA etc, will have the law on their side. Only the people can then force a change to it by claiming collusion or invasion of privacy or denial of freedom/civil rights.

    In other words, the web sites are trying to generate awareness of what will happen if their users are too selfish to make a stand for them.

    It is not a protest in itself.

  • DanK

    Whatever happened to death before dishonor?

  • Anonymous

    It seems the whole world include the common citizens is against the US

  • neostyle

    Hi my name is neostyle. Guess what I’m about to say?

  • politux

    @7 Most Americans are getting screwed along with people in other countries. We do get to vote but our votes are then diluted by the millions of dollars corporate entities like the MPAA use to control our lawmakers.

  • Nob0dy

    ok, let’s pause for a few moments, and think about what this campaign means. They are- taking themselves offline- to protest a law that will take them offline?

    I DO realize the effect it will have on users, and that may in fact, even overturn the law- but at the same time, you can’t help but appreciate the blatent irony staring you in the face. Also- isn’t this the main effect the law was supposed to have on the file sharing sites to begin with?

  • Anonymous

    How about a global boycott of all things American…

    No visiting websites hosted in the US (sorry TF but you don’t have to be hosted in the US, there are better options), not buying any US products or services. Turn our backs on them until they stop this imperialism. Turn them into the untouchables of the interwebs.

  • reflex-vision

    No one likes Americans anymore.
    If they can’t buy governments they bomb them.

    Eventually they will control the world…and they’ll be as despised and constantly attacked as any corrupt power before them.

    Just saying…it’s all in the history books, even their own. Remember the British? ‘Freedom’ is built from the blocks of revolution…your own is crumbling by the day.

  • Maxime

    When was internet a TV? Also, fuck censorship.

  • Arthur Jensen

    Terrorism as it’s known, is seemingly the only answer.
    NSA, CIA, MPAA, RIAA, AT&T, can all duck a sick.
    Sticks and stones break rich mens bones, but petitions only appease them.

  • linchpin

    Can’t you people bitching about irony etc. understand that the form of the protest is quite ingenious? This way, a lot of those sites’ users will be welcomed by a big, screaming “This site will be gone if you don’t do shit about the law that’s gonna be passed soon”. People will go “wtf? I won’t be able to download stuff?!” and some of them will hopefully do something! People might miss or ignore some regular news post on the sites, but they can’t miss that protest message!

  • “The list of sites includes Cinetube, DivxTotal, Mydescarga, Peliculasyonkis, Series Danko, Seriespepito, Seriesyonkis and SuBTorrents.”

    Never ever have I heard about those sites! Neither have I ever been there! I will, soon. Bookmarked for future reference. LOL suckers

  • john

    i dont understand why a country would bow to pressure from another about file sharing as every £ i dont spend on media from another country i still have to spend on things from my own economy

  • Yksz

    Olè ;-)

  • reflex-vision

    Viva the Internet Revolution.
    Freedom always prevails.
    It’s coming.

  • reflex-vision

    All we need is a mega rich source who cherishes public opinion above all else and is prepared to fund a hosting/server enterprise via a satellite.

    Paid for by the sale of dishes and existing in neutral territory we may, jamming aside, eventually have freedom of speech all over the world.

    Now, that would be a novelty.
    It’s what I want for Christmas.

  • Jon

    Why should those sites exist? The only reason they are so popular is they violate the rights of copyright holders. If they have anything of value to contribute to society, let them do so from within the boundaries of the law. They should have no need to rip off other peoples’ hard work.

  • reflex-vision

    @50 Hello, Mr. Scrooge.

  • joe

    Rushed through AGAIN because they know that the vast majority would never freely vote for laws like this.

    Democracy is Hypocrisy.

  • Anonymous

    SPAIN YOU NEED TO STAND UP!
    They think you are all sheep, why do you think they picked Spain to try this out on?
    Testing the waters, just like the website DNS seizures.

  • revolution

    Quote Jon#50: “They should have no need to rip off other peoples’ hard work.”

    As in paying five dollars in 1920 for the rights to song x, and not even letting the grandchildren listen to this shit for free? What work did those copyright holders put into this intellectual property, when the original artists and people involved are long dead?! And how many times do you think one is willing to pay for the same crap over and over again, anyway?! My family and I have bought movies on VHS, soundtrack on tape, then yet again on DVD/CD (only to discover that the studio didn’t bother with improving the quality) and then you seriously expect me to buy it again on BluRay/MP3 or whatever and still not own the ultimate version, because you damn fucks hold back the extended edition for another release?! Fuck you Jon, you pos and your miserable, fucking greedy industry!

    Have been and will be boycotting your employers for years, until things change.

  • Peter

    Shylock wants his “pound of flesh”

  • hotdog

    HOLD ON FOR A SECOND LADIES AND GENTS!! FIRST OFF I’M NOT YELLING SO DON’T THINK I AM. THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.IT’S WITH ALL GOVERNMENTS!!
    I’M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE OR HAVE NOT HEARD OF NEW WORLD ORDER, ELITIST,SKULLS AND BONES FREEMASONS ILLUMINATI ETC…ETC…. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
    I’M GOING TO LEAVE YOU ALL A MESSAGE LOOK UP “ROCKEFELLER SYNDICATE” ALSO LOOK UP TO MY FELLOW AMERICANS “OBAMAS BLOODLINE” IT WILL LEAVE YOU SHOCKED.NOW AS A FAR AS THIS MESSAGE IS GOING WE ARE BEING CONTROLLED NOT BY ONE LAW ONE GOVERNMENT BUT MANY.THIS IS SICKENING AND RIDICULOUS I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF MAFIAA/RIAA/MPAA IS RUN BY ILLUMINATI/FREEMASONS.
    IT’S GETTING CLOSER TO WORLDWIDE RIOTING AND IT’S COMING FASTER BY THE DAYS TO COME.WE AS PEOPLE OF THE WORLD MUST NOT SUPPORT GOVERNMENT CONTROL AND WITH AND IRON FIST HAND AND NAILS FIGHT BACK THE COMING DAYS ARE GOING TO BE THE ROUGHEST DAYS AND THIS NEW YEAR WILL BE TOTAL CHAOS.STOP SUPPORTING BIG COMPANIES.
    WE HERE IN AMERICA AS OF TOMORROW WILL BE NEXT OUR CITIZENS WILL NOT HAVE FREEDOM FOR WHICH THIS COUNTRY WAS/IS ALL ABOUT WE CANNOT LET OSAMA BIN HITLER CONTINUE HIS DICTATORSHIP HIS BRAINWASHING TACTICS LIES AND DECEPTION.
    HE IS NON MORE THEN A PUPPET A HUGE PUPPET WHO USES HIS HIS SKIN COLOR TO DEMEAN HIS OWN RACE!!
    IN MAKING THEM BELIEVE HE WILL CHANGE AMERICA WE LIVE IN AN AGE WHERE THERE ARE OVER 7 BILLION HUMANS ON THIS EARTH WE ARE HUMANS NOT SHEEP WE ARE A FREE SOCIETY WE ARE GROWING MORE INTELLIGENT AND CAN’T TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT WISE UP LOOK AROUND YOU SEE THAT THE CONTROL IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL AT THIS POINT IT IS EITHER US OR THEM AND TRUST ME THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THEM!!
    BE STRONG STAND TALL AND NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE FROM DON’T ALLOW GOVERNMENT BRAINWASHING BECAUSE IN THE END WE WILL WIN.

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  • omg

    well looks like spain is becoming usa bitch/slave

    way to go spain ….

  • MPAA

    You’re all bitch/slaves till you stand side by side and fight back.

    But it won’t happen cos your all blind AND TAKE IT UP THE ASS.

    Stupid pirates.

  • Dixieland

    You’re all bitch/slaves till you stand side-by-side and fight back.

    But you won’t cos you’re a disorganized, primarily selfish, collection of ungrateful,and ultimately ineffectual individuals.

    So our business model will continue and over the next five years increase it’s revenue 3 fold while successfully negating freedom and free exchange.

    Stupid pirates. Yours, MPAA.

  • Anonymous

    meh, back to the underground sceneage.

  • Arne Babenhauserheide

    @Johnson: The answer is quite simple: Who controls information controls the election decision of people, so he controls a democracy. With news media dependent on advertising that means, that the ones with money control democracy, because once you write something which these don’t like, they cut off your stream of revenue and your newspaper goes bust.
    The internet is taking power from these, and filesharing is just a tiny aspect.
    They have been controlling our access to information for ages, because they were the gatekeepers who decided which information would get sent out and which movies would be created and seen.
    Filesharing doesn’t generate big losses in terms of money for them, but it deprives them of their power to control the information flow, that’s why they need it gone.
    They can’t sell you a horrible single for a huge price, when you can get better stuff directly from the artists for just a voluntary donation – and at the same time give the artists more money than they get from the media moguls. That’s why they want filesharing dead: It breaks their unjust monopoly on deciding what media we can access.
    And that’s also why they want DRM. They want to be able to say “giving you the book 1984 was a mistake, we take it back” (Amazon did that with kindle) at any time. And once your computer implements the same measures, they can say “letting you write the protest letter to your local politicians was an error, we remove it from your disk”.
    So kudos to the fight of the filesharing sites!

  • hmm

    lets face it the internet would crap with out p2p file sharing etc ie face ache waste of space twatter social networks boring e-mails pay to download crap music crap movies. ya skype is cheap handy application. in general once p2p file sharing cut off the internet i wo,nt bother with it anymore. i will just go back to ham/amateur radio communication with out all this bs

  • Dude

    shutting down websites as a protest is pointless.

    aspecially your own website….. :`)

  • Something more

    I think the following sentence is incorrect

    “However, as shown by diplomatic cables recently leaked by Wikileaks, under pressure from the United States, the Spanish Government proposed new legislation to close loopholes and provide sweeping new anti-filesharing powers.”

    I the correct one would be

    “However, as shown by diplomatic cables recently leaked by Wikileaks, under pressure from the United States, the Spanish Government proposed new legislation to create loopholes in the rights of spanish citizens and provide sweeping new anti-filesharing powers.”

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  • p2p anti

    Maybe if people stopped stealing music websites wouldnt have to do stuff like this…………

  • hmm

    these websites are only here because people have been ripped off time again for over priced products and mostly crap. i rember the days of vinyl in the 70,s and album if you were lucky would have 2 good tracks the rest was just crap for top dollar.so that what you get @65 anti p2p

  • Again?

    @65 pls, tell me how you steal music on the net? do i grab the physyical cd from some sort of digital shelf?

  • hmm

    so if they close all these sites down
    they are going too replace them with over priced crap service and crap products and limited content to choice from hmm thats really great what a joyful time that will be. oh well theres always someone to buy in to that crap the the mugfactor

  • jovialau

    @ Anno…What about the tens of thousands who have been killed already because of lies you dick.Also this is not the APPROPRIATE FORUM YOU DOUBLE DICK

  • StillWatching

    @67 Did we suddenly travel via warp into some Utopia?
    Freedom to exchange information is not the same as freedom to exchange products.
    We don’t eat for free, or live for free or feed our children for free why do these no-brainers think because its digital everything should be free?
    Movies cost to produce, so do books, artwork and photographs. If not money then they cost in time. There has to be balance.
    If you want to give something away for free then do so. Just not other peoples work. Give something away that YOU, Anon, create.
    The rest of us depend on a market economy to live. How many Anon work for free? None I bet.
    Just because a website trades in other people’s work (P2P sites) they think it should be defended?
    Hypocrisy is rife in this modern world. Anon spreads its own variety is all.
    They quote as sharing ‘dreams’. This isn’t a dream, it’s fantasy at best, and anarchic to say the least.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone have any stats to backup the 70 percent claim?

    Any Spanish reader suddenly experiencing blazingly fast web surfin’?

  • StillWatching

    @68

    They already sell overpriced crap.
    Just because it’s crap doesn’t negate the fact that it’s a product, and because you live in a democracy, you have the right to buy it or reject it.

    You read reviews, just like everybody else. You watch clips on t.v. You listen to airtime on the radio if it’s music. You form an opinion based on the free exchange of information from other free individuals…then you ‘buy’ it if you think it’s the right product for you. It’s called ‘choice’.

    You don’t just download a work that a group of creative individuals have slaved over just because it’s posted and available for download (with no thought to the rights holders, artists, manufacturers or the distributors).

    That’s called ‘stealing’ you selfish tard.

  • @15 aka dumb-ass

    Your a retard, they should send YOU to guantanamo bay and waterboard you, beauty.

  • hmm

    Dirty Little Secrets of the Record Business: Why So Much Music You Hear Sucks good read buy it
    http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Little-Secrets-Record-Business/dp/1556526431

  • StillWatching

    @75 Troll away….far away dumb-dick
    you don’t even recognize the concept of theft.

  • StillWatching

    @75
    ‘Stealing’:
    definition from Cambridge Dictionary Online: to take something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keep it.

    What has that got to do with waterboarding or human rights issues?

    Dumb twat.

  • revolution

    Because it isn’t theft you dumbshit “StillWatching”! 90% of the crap I’d never buy, so it’s not a loss, but thanks to assholes like you and your buddies in the industry, I’ve decided not to pay for the remaining 10% either (haha!), although I used to…

    Also, what free opinion can one build on articles and previews which are catered to your buddies’ liking? According to the press/trailer every game/movie is sensational, revolutionary, life-altering! Blabla, bullshit! I’ll judge by myself, so fuckyouverymuch!

    Oh and btw, theft to me is doing something wrong, feeling guilty, I feel none of this towards you and your buddies.

  • Anonymous

    @StillLying
    “Freedom to exchange information is not the same as freedom to exchange products.”

    When the products are a form of information, yes, it is the same.

    @StillLying
    “We don’t eat for free, or live for free or feed our children for free why do these no-brainers think because its digital everything should be free?”

    So you don’t think people should be able to eat for free, live for free, or feed their children for free. That says alot about you. Disgusting excuse for a human being much?

    Oh, and everything digital IS free, period. It doesn’t matter whether or not anybody thinks it “should” be. Pandora’s box isn’t going to close no matter how much you click your red sequined heels together and wish “there’s no place like home”.

    @StillLying
    “If you want to give something away for free then do so. Just not other peoples work”

    And why not? It doesn’t harm them. At worse it causes indignation amongst of the narcissistic ones. I can live with that.

    @StillLying
    “and because you live in a democracy”

    Filesharing is the will of the people. If you’re opposed to it then you’re unavoidably opposed to Democracy, too.

    @StillLying
    “(with no thought to the rights holders, artists, manufacturers or the distributors).”

    The rights holders can go to Hell. The manufacturers can go to Hell. The distributors can go to Hell. The only ones that matter are the artists, and we support them. So I’m not sure what your problem is.

    Wait, that’s right, your problem is that you’re paid to regurgitate the MAFIAA’s propaganda all over internet forums.

    @StillLying
    “That’s called ‘stealing’ you selfish tard.”

    No, taking one or more rightful possessions away from somebody without their consent is called stealing. Whereas filesharing doesn’t take anything away from anybody, meaning that it’s literally impossible for it to be stealing.

    What you’re doing is called ‘lying’.

  • Anonymous

    @StillLying

    Hahahaha, you just shot down your own lie that filesharing is stealing. Nice work. You never fail to amuse :)

    ‘Stealing’:
    definition from Cambridge Dictionary Online: to take something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keep it.

    TAKE is the operative word, and filesharing TAKES nothing from the owner. For defeated yourself with your own comment, I truly stand in awe of your greatness.

  • Anonymous

    And for accidentally typing defeated instead of defeating I truly stand in awe of my keyboard skills. Damn.

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  • rasmus

    Anon?

    p2p supports no one. Nobody got shot down. StillWatching’s points are valid. I download same as most here. But I admit that what I get I get for free. No one but me benefits.

    As for stealing; it can also be interpreted as depriving somebody of what is rightfully theirs…in this case their money, and that feeds their kids.

    I accept I steal. It doesn’t stop me. I simply accept that I don’t intend to pay for it unless I have to or I get caught.

    Wish the lot of you would get a grip…we are ‘pirates’. There is a reason we get and use that tag.

    Reality check: WE TAKE THINGS WE HAVEN’T PAID FOR.

  • Brandon

    @75 DL it off of TPB… LOL…

  • Brandon

    @76 DL it off of TPB… LOL

  • acce

    It’s a shame that Spain will bow to the USA… Anyway, here in Canada, file sharing was legal back in 2004-2005, and now our govt is about to take a big cümshot from the usa and we are going to swallow it!
    Anyway, those laws never stopped me to share a few Terabytes and I will keep on sharing my stuff, in private/underground communities.

  • revolution

    I see where you are coming from rasmus, but I don’t consider it theft, because 90% of the stuff I dl I’d never buy anyway. Thus it can’t be seen as a loss and as such nor as theft. As for the remaining ten per cent, well, they have themselves to blame for that, because I used to pay for that.

    I used to get worked up about spending hard earned money on lousy, poor quality or rushed releases. I felt cheated, robbed, and I didn’t see anyone from the industry trying to improve my consumer rights or atleast hand me my money back.

    “You opened that buggy software, which didn’t include half of what we promised? Tough luck. You didn’t like the movie which we and the press claimed was life-altering? Well, too bad, eh? So, your not happy that your DVD is hardly better quality than the VHS
    version you already bought? Well, guess what,…!”

    Further more, I’m not going to pay people who themselves in most cases don’t even have the mental capacity to produce this intellectual property, they apparently own. Nor will I pay people for sometime, somewhere buying up rights and holding onto them for generations. FFS “Happy Birthday” is copyrighted. After WW1 and WW2, the Allies actually confiscated all Middle Power/Axis patents and intellectual property. Didn’t matter to them that people they took this from had no choice in the matter, so with what right did they do so? Why should I respect rights if states don’t?

    And how often do they expect you to buy the same crap over and over again, anyway? I bought the VHS, I bought the tape, the CD, the DVD and now you want me to buy the same shit again on BluRay? Will you really bother remastering it now or sell me the VHS to DVD rip you sold me last time?! Oh, this version is a mess with several cut scenes put into no coherent order, but hey no worries, I’m going to buy the ultimate version when it’s out.

    Bottomline; I don’t pay people who shit on my rights and use my money to buy off politicians to curtail my rights even more. Nor do I pay people who themselves rip everyone off from the consumer to the artist with his ridiculous 4-5% cut and finally, I don’t pay people who’s greed is unsaturable and use my money to prosecute me and my peers.

  • Anonymous

    look up what treason means

  • Luigi

    I am Spanish and I am going to continue uploading although this fucking law is approved

  • Anonymous

    @rasmus
    “p2p supports no one.”

    Filesharers Buy More Music:
    http://www.zeropaid.com/news/87196/uk-poll-file-sharers-buy-more-music/

    File-sharers Are Content Industry’s “largest customers”:
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/05/file-sharers-are-content-industrys-largest-customers.ars

    Do you think I dont know what I’m talking about? How cute.

    @rasmus
    “As for stealing; it can also be interpreted as depriving somebody of what is rightfully theirs…in this case their money, and that feeds their kids.:

    And filesharing doesn’t deprive anybody of what is rightfully theirs, so it fails to be stealing by your own interpretation. Gene Simmons doesn’t have $15 vanish in a puff of smoke from his wallet if I download a KISS album, not that I’d want to.

    @rasmus
    “I accept I steal.”

    That’s bad. You shouldn’t accept lies.

    @rasmus
    “Reality check: WE TAKE THINGS WE HAVEN’T PAID FOR.”

    Reality check: WE DON’T TAKE ANYTHING. We give and receive copies of digital information. Nothing is taken, except for in the overactive imagination of narcissists.

  • Toasty

    Can someone please go to war with the U.S and teach them that they’re not the rulers of the world as they think they are?

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  • rasmus

    ‘There are lies, damned lies and statistics’.
    Mark Twain

    You use a quote that more is bought than downloaded for free. In all honesty, Anonymous, are you one of those archetypes?

    Balance out all your purchases and weigh it against the value of what you’ve downloaded, kept but haven’t paid for. Bet you got more for free than you got from the mall.

  • the wordls smallest violin

    LMAO at all the trolling losers who, after all these years, apparently still haven’t been able to figure out the difference between TAKING physical items and COPYING information.

    Life must be really hard when your IQ is lower then your shoe size…

  • Anonymous

    @rasmus
    “You use a quote that more is bought than downloaded for free. In all honesty, Anonymous, are you one of those archetypes?”

    What? What archetypes? Are you asking if I’m lies, damn lies, or statistics? Those aren’t archetypes. A person can’t be lies, damn lies, or statistics.

    If you want to refute the studies I linked to, then you need to objectively prove the studies are wrong. Quoting Mark Twain and asking a mixed-up question doesn’t do that.

    @rasmus
    “Bet you got more for free than you got from the mall.”

    I hardly buy any entertainment at all, and yet I still buy more than I download. You lose the bet.

  • bozo the clown

    @50 jon ssshhhhh quiet you troll!!!

  • bozo the clown

    HEY StillWatching !! CAN’T YOU HEAR YOUR MAMMA’S CALLING YOU… YOUR MILK BOTTLE HAS ALREADY BEEN WARMED UP YOU DUMB TROLL…PHUCKOFF SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE MAYBE YOU’LL FEEL WANTED…STUPID RED BUCKET REJECTS,WHAT DO THEY WANT HERE?

  • bozo the clown

    @88 revolution well done,couldn’t have said it better myself

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  • dg100

    Some points by StillWatching (@72 & 74) should be addressed, I think:

    If you want to give something away for free then do so. Just not other peoples work. Give something away that YOU, Anon, create.

    If memory serves, a copyright group in the US is already lobbying to have Free & Open Source Software labelled by the American government as an “enemy of free trade”. Another US group has already claimed royalties over all music played over any internet radio station, regardless of whether or not the artist was affiliated with them. What makes you think they’ll stop there? If they’re allowed to have their way, I’m in no doubt they’ll be able to preemptively ban anything that might interfere with any part of their business. Including your right to make and give things away for free.

    You read reviews, just like everybody else.

    Reviewer bribery is pandemic in most content creation industries. Fake user-reviews on websites, designed to drive up sales are extremely commonplace these days.

    You watch clips on t.v.

    Watch the trailers for Skyline. Then pay to watch Skyline.

    You listen to airtime on the radio if it’s music.

    For how long? The big players in the recording industry have been very clear about their dislike for anything that’s in any way “free” and a cut of advertising proceeds is never going to make as much as a CD sale. Forcing “free” radio into expensive, subscription-only models has to be high on the agenda for them, if they can manage it. On current evidence, they’ll probably succeed.

    You form an opinion based on the free exchange of information from other free individuals…then you ‘buy’ it if you think it’s the right product for you. It’s called ‘choice’.

    What makes you think that right is yours forever? When enough content-providers think the time is right, everything we read, see, hear or play will suddenly come protected by non-disclosure agreements designed to make sure we can’t discuss or criticise it. The laws and constitutions of our countries can’t stop this. Our politicians and lawmakers already look the other way quite happily. What’s a few more human rights in the face of a little more profit? For enforcement, try the cameras on every street corner. Or built into your PS3 or XBox. Whether we like it or not, the demented fears of big brother conspiracy theorists are already slowly, gradually starting to become reality.

    I’m a devout pirate these days. I never used to be. I’m a part of one of these industries. But the more I see of how things have gone and continue to go, the more I feel nothing but hatred and contempt for the hand that feeds.

    Damn their eyes and fuck them all: this is not the way it should be.

  • neb

    #50? A troll. Hmm. Must not have keylock on your board lame. Ya’ll acting like a buntch of litte bitches. Ever watch “Pinky and The Brain”? Of course the U.S. business is going to try to influence the worlds laws. Get real folks, censorship witll be legistated. I just want to see the development of the “World Copyright Court”. Just remember, you heard it here first.

    Where’s the pron?

    Bullshit. This keeps up and I am going to start doing drugs again.

  • Swedish

    USA goverment written law become law in Spain = Spain goverment is just another USA puppet state with many other countries.

  • Fedoff Byyouall

    ARRGH!
    Wake up u spoiled “pirate” trolls! This blaming US for everything bullshit concensus is just utter stupidity par example – blame the spanish voters! Spain is a free democratic nation – a proud member of EU.

    This is what the spanish protest is all about: telling the 1 million Don Quijote pirates whom is really responsible for the black screens.

    And please – learn to seed proper u greedy bastards!

  • sandeep

    LOL

    ” Personally if this reaches our country, the troops are ready to fight against any US presence.
    We will not stand for the US pushing around anyone who does not do as ordered.

    We stand strong,
    We stand firm,
    We fight for freedom,
    We fight for liberty,
    We die for honor,
    We die for justice.

    We will never back down.
    You have been warned.”

    You absolute fool of the highest order. You don’t deserve to live.

  • Anonymous

    Less than 1% of the world’s population. These are the rich and the sovereign who spend $4000 on a single meal

    They band together and take advantage of the 99%

  • Anonymous

    kopyright is killing broadband business

  • Lolmafiaa

    Our power is that we ignore MAFIAA. Pls don’t feed the MAFIAA troll. Just ignore them. They’ll be gone in another decade or 2. Were 30-50% there. Please stop feeding the MAFIAA troll.

  • Anonymous

    bitch, bawww, complain all you like.
    We’re still gonna share and you’ll always fail trolls. It just shows how stupid you’re, by coming here of all places and “preach” on filesharers.
    Talk about THE oxymoron.

    LMFAO

    p.s; I only read the first few words of comments now and when a troll is detected or replies to troll, I move on to the next. Pretty sure that everyone does this by now. Just thought to let you know ;)

  • Anonymous

    makes dial-up appealing again, but we’ve still got youtube for all that bandwidth use

  • Kriegstreiber

    I really wish some of you would calm down with your stupid nationalist rhetoric. All of your gov’ts are the same. If France had the largest share of the entertainment industry, some of its politicians would be pushing for the same control. Stop being so stupid. You all hate Americans? I’ll bet if I went through the shit you’ve downloaded or bought as entertainment at least 90% of it would be of American origin. The Amis obviously are good enough to entertain you all so criticise them for the few politicians and stop acting like they are all your “enemy.” Shut up about “lies and wars” as well. Every land has been guilty of that. They continue today but most of you are too goddamned obtuse and USA-obsessed to bother paying attention to lies and aggression in the rest of the world. Now go download something…I am.

  • Anonymous

    If the Riaa and MPAA get their way and shut down a lot of sites world wide. I wonder how the isp’s are going to sell their massive bandwith. If my downloading and uploading dropped to close to zero I would not have any need for much band with. How much do you need to play youtube crap anyway?

    I would never pay for high bandwith then on top of that pay top dollar for crappy streamed movies.

    I think filesharing will continue even if we have to resort to mailing flash drives. I might start reading more books again.

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  • Say what?

    “Wikileaks need to be gone. Extradite Julian, and send him to gitmo.
    There’s a big difference from downloading the latest movie and putting human lives at risk.” @24

    You really are that dumb aren’t you?

    He tells the truth, and you want him to be sent to jail. You most likely like liars, politicians that can’t be trusted and that the world is a sunny nice place that nothing bad ever happens.
    Dreamland Junkies! I’ve had it up to my throat with you people!

    They came for my neighbor but he isn’t me so I don’t care.
    They came for a friend but he isn’t me so I don’t care.
    They came for me, but there is nobody left that cares.

  • US Dissident

    For the working poor, it’s like this: In America if you bend over and take it up the a$$ you get promoted, if you complain about America’s money grabbing/resource robbing schemes all around the world, you are soon looking for a new job. God bless wikileaks, and I dont care if a bunch of sneaks get killed, I never asked them to risk their lives for Americas thieving creeps! I never needed them and never will!

  • Kriegstreiber

    That’s a little messed up: the “sneaks getting killed” (if they in fact do) are just poor ppl like us. They are just doing a job/supporting a family too. If you want to go after the real makers of war they’re all a bunch of chair-assed generals and admirals that never get their hands dirty it the wars they prosecute. How did this all become about Julian Assange anyway? He’s no hero. He’s just doing what someone else will step up and do if he were to “be gone.” Acutally the US has a habit of telling on itself more than any other nation. Most of the “shocking news” comes from its own sources and the world picks up on it (cuz they’re so friggin’ US-obsessed) and goes “yeah! Waterboarding!! Can you believe this crap?!” :P

  • US Dissident

    @113 “Sneaks” refers to the type of informers who fabricate lies about “weapons of mass destruction” which lead to invasions like we have seen in Iraq, which produce tens of thousands of innocent civilian casualties. And it isn’t about Assauge, it’s about wikileaks breaking down the denial of people who think America is just doing what it has to to protect itself. It is a nation with alot of power and wealth doing everything it can to corrupt, rob and weaken the rest of the world including the working poor within their own borders.

  • Kriegstreiber

    OK, Dissident. Fair enough. I wasn’t familiar with the terminology/slang or whatnot with the word sneak. I thought you meant the grunts. My apologies for misunderstanding. :) (The WMD thing was kind-of half-true. Hussein did have yellowcake and was pursuing WMD (he said at is trial that he was just saying it to keep Iran off his back.) The real lie was Hussein’s supposed connection to Al-Qaeda. If Bin Laden gave a crap about Saddam he wouldn’t have had to hide in a hole in his own desert. I’m with you on the poor and corrupt capitalism etc.

  • US Dissident

    @115 yes my terminology was overly hostile, gotta keep my head, or I’ll just alienate everyone. Here’s wishing you the best.

  • Anonymous

    Hurry move all servers to North Korea!

    BTW what’s the dot name of North Korea’s domain?

  • stinkpipe

    make laws. don’t reinforce them= disrespect in growing numbers. stupid governments can’t even balance their books, i am not going to worry about their thoughtless legislation

  • US Dissident

    From what I can tell concerning “lives placed at risk” by wikileaks: They are professional informants in Iraq or Afganistan who sneak around finding out who has an AK-47, OR AN rpg, or an atomic bomb or whatever. They may or may not be telling the truth according to their own interests? I suspect that these “Judas” types are probably just half-wit trouble makers. Do I feel they are protecting my freedom? No I don’t, but people like Hillary Clinton esteem them as precious servants of freedom. I think they are dishonest two-faced, and unreliable sneaks who do more harm than good, and if they are sniffed out because of wikileaks all the better!

  • herbert

    so what was the result of the vote?

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  • Dude

    just shut them down
    usenet is the solution :P

  • LeySinde

    irc.anonops.ru #LeySinde Target: intranet.congreso.es tcp 443 ENGAGE HIVEMIND IRCSERVER : Irc.hiddenaces.net #loic port: 6667 – 4help join #Setup – Supporting Unofficial Spanish Based Op – Pre-Reaction To Sinde Law – HISTORY: http://tinyurl.com/3xe4stphttp://tinyurl.com/36wgdhg

  • Anonymous

    #120 They voted against the disposition.

    It’s not been approved.

  • Anonymous

    What #123 said: The disposition about shutting down “pirate” websites was rejected.

    A temporary victory.

    Now, the bill will go back to Senate and they might want to change it again.

    Also, some bosses of Pro-Copyright outfits are saying that now they’ll try to lobby for an stricter law, similar to UK/France.

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  • Cliff Hanger

    The Lib-dems lied about DEB.
    Spain escaped, the UK isn’t so lucky.

    Come the local elections, if everyone wants out of this government, vote labour again.

    With no local party members, the government will have little or no power and Cameron will be sent packing with a vote of no confidence.

    Why wait 5 years?

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  • Anonymous

    just a

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