Major Usenet Provider Shuts Down Following Court Order

Ernesto
November 6, 2011
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News-Service.com, one of the leading Usenet providers with many prominent resellers, has terminated its services with immediate effect. The shutdown is the direct and unavoidable outcome of a two-year battle with Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN, which was eventually decided against the Usenet provider. News-Service announced that it will appeal the decision “out of principle” as it threatens the entire 30-year-old Usenet community.

nse Two years ago BREIN, representing the movie and music industries, took News-Service.com (NSE) to court.

Although the name NSE might not ring a bell with many people, it is the largest usenet provider in Europe and has many high-profile resellers such as Usenext.

Through the court BREIN demanded that the NSE delete all infringing content from its servers, and six weeks ago the Court of Amsterdam sided with the copyright holders.

In an attempt to keep their service operational, NSE asked the Court to put the execution of the verdict on hold while the Usenet provider appealed its case, but this week that request was denied. As a result NSE was forced to shut down its services.

“This means that we are forced to cease our operations with immediate effect,” NSE said in a statement.

Despite the setback the Usenet provider will persist with its appeal, not least because the landmark verdict could have disastrous consequences for other Usenet providers.

“For reasons of principle, News-Service.com will not accept the verdict and has lodged an appeal,” NSE announced.

The verdict of the Amsterdam Court is very similar to the one that decimated BitTorrent site Mininova two years ago. It requires NSE to finding a way to identify and delete all copyrighted files from its servers, which is practically impossible.

Aside from threatening many other Usenet providers, a similar judgement would also mean the end of file-hosting sites such as Megaupload, and other cloud storage services including Dropbox. All these services remove copyrighted files when they are asked to, but policing their own servers proactively may prove to be impossible.

BREIN is nevertheless delighted with the verdict of the court. “It is a breakthrough step to further dismantle the availability of illegal content on Usenet,” director Tim Kuik said previously.

It wouldn’t be a surprise if BREIN now waves this verdict in the face of other Usenet providers, in the hope of shutting them down. Using this same tactic BREIN has already managed to pull hundreds of (small) torrent sites offline in the Netherlands.

TorrentFreak contacted NSE to ask what the decision means for their resellers and whether they have plans to “go abroad” in some shape or form. We will update this article when a response comes in.

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James

This BREIN needs to be sorted out Anonymous style.
- ObserveAndLearn
  
  Quite the opposite. It needs to brought out into the open.
  The corruption, underhand tactics and manipulation of old legislation needs to be exposed. You already have the political bodies in place. Nurture them, join them, support them, BE that last bastion of freedom; or else be consumed.
  - http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
    
    That.
    
    “It is a breakthrough step to further dismantle the availability of illegal content on Usenet,” – this guy is an idiot (lol captn’ obvious) they are dismantling an entire portion of the internet. I can see BREIN going after Google, after all, Usente is but a small portion of the so called infringements.
    
    But there’s no problem, BREIN is gonna hire every1 that gets unemployed out of this decision right? Because it’s gonna generate tons of jobs on the MAFIAA. /sarcasm
    
    Please, as if Usenet users weren’t smart enough to fine whatever they want whenever they want. The bright side is that BREIN (and MAFIAA) are fooling themselves for our amusement.
Someone

Where were you, and what were you doing the day the internet died?
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord
  
  I was most likely in school trying to not kill myself because of severe depression caused by the dickweed that is humans.
rc_torr

Even it is insofar insignificant with regards to stopping ‘illegal’ file sharing ,this kind of cyberterrorism might go on to scare IT-illiterate people. Maybe our future generations will have a good laugh when they read on these scams in their history books.
- Twice Daily
  
  Maybe they wont get a chance to. That is the nature of censorship.
Lucid

i would not be surprised to hear within the next 24 hours that service was sold off just like what happened when kazaa was bought by sharman networks
Lucid

Hey Ernesto just call usenext they have a 24 hor hot line and just ask them what there plans are.

01149 1805 009 602
Jimbo

wont be long now. world wide internet censorship is fast approaching! and all because of a backward, legacy entertainment industry!
- Twice Daily
  
  Seems we are getting there very quickly.
  
  I actually predicted this yesterday describing to an artist how copyright had been corrupted and used to endorse censorship and the downfall of internet freedoms.
  
  Click on my profile if you are interested in reading my response to him.
- NotThatAnon
  
  True in principal. In practice I think it will simply cause the masses to become more aware of various technologies to help circumvent such censorship.
  
  It’s like a technological arms race. Every move to censor the internet results in better techniques to circumvent it. Eventually we will reach a stage that it will be almost impossible to block anything in any meaningful way shy of removing the physical connections. Even then people are working on ad hoc network technology to throw up some community level connectivity in the worst case.
  
  The internets great grand dad was originally designed to survive a nuclear first strike (ARPANET) and its a pretty good design.
Anonynony

It requires NSE to finding a way to identify and delete all copyrighted files from its servers, which is practically impossible.

Easily avoided by uploaders…
random filenames, encrypted links, self-extracting archives…
just so long as there is somewhere to connect/upload to.

Another stupid ruling.
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Lalal

we are boned
FriedRice

And that people, is why copyright is amoral – and is wrong and must be abolished as a law. However doing criminal acts is no solution, the solution is for YOU to start VOTING for politicians who do not support copyright law. Its a long battle, but its the only way to get rid of copyright law.
Copyright is theft.
- Anonymous
  
  http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/episodes/s08e08-douche-and-turd
- Guest
  
  Both copyright enforcement can be theft as can be forms of copyright infringement. The issue at hand is that authorities are increasingly taking the side of copyright holders at the expense of consumers, the internet and all else.
FuzzyDuck

Stop funding MAFIAA terrorism, stop buying music, stop paying for movies. It’s the only way. The MAFIAA must die before the Internet does. They cannot coexist.
- Guest
  
  +1
Anonymous

OK wow, that is jsut totally messed up dude. Time to stop buying ANY media. Hit them where it hurts. web-anon-tools.us.tc
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http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

IPR = Anti-freedom.
DNS

does Google DNS help to bypass traffic shaping (because of torrent packet)?
- http://blockaid.me BlockAid DNS
  
  Google DNS, or any alternative DNS provider for that matter, will not help you get around traffic shaping.
  
  As you correctly point out, traffic shaping is done at the packet level, so switching your DNS will not help.
  - DNS
    
    So what’s the solution? I use Xunlei (chinese program with google back up? to download ed2k / kad. Recently my ISP starts to shape torrent traffic. thank you.
    - Oomg
      
      ed2k died like 10years ago its time to evolve man !
    - Likisha
      
      ed2k didn’t die, there are still millions of files and users, grow up !
    - Rabbit80
      
      Use a VPN – not only does it defeat traffic shaping, but also masks your IP address making it virtually impossible to trace you!
    - Rabbit80
      
      Use a VPN – not only does it defeat traffic shaping, but also masks your IP address making it virtually impossible to trace you!
Anon

This isn’t such a big deal. “Everything” is legal until it becomes abused, or used in the majority for unlawful purposes and then regulation applies. When the regulation is flaunted, even when a part (in this case a very small part) is used for lawful purposes, the element must conform or be lost. Usenet refused to conform to lawful purposes and after as long series of opportunities they failed to provide compelling reasons why they should be allowed to facilitate unlawful behavior. Fine, their choice.

If this were all kiddie porn, or credit card numbers offered for use in fraud, also unlawful, it wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow.

Won’t be missed.
- guest
  
  Nearly every service on the internet can be abused in that manner. So say good bye to the internet.
  - Guest101
    
    Believe me, when you tell certain politicians and businessmen that something will kill the internet, they think “great”, and keep on doing it. The older generation really don’t like the internet. I’m getting kind of fed up waiting for them to die. Basically, the bad guy copyrightists rely on us being more ethical and humane than them and not attacking and destroying them the way we certainly could.
    - CHRONOSSANGRY
      
      ergo why at the g20 a bell canada store got smashed to pieces for the throttling and caps….WE DONT Have neither anymore
      
      GOT THE HINT YET?
- ThumbsUpThumbsDown
  
  As ugly as it is, this Anons’ corporate shill reflects some compelling truth that is sadly far too often ignored on the internet by all who argue the political and social meaning of dissent from the copyright laws; and, the necessary priority for dissent from the corporate participation in our legislatures that has made them possible.
  
  We should hear this Anon telling us clearly that the distance between the copyright laws we dream of and the copyright laws that actually exist is the distance between two parrallel universes.
  He exults that our claims as well as our responses are mere fancy! Yet, is there not a sense in which he is right?
  
  This Anon tells us with infinite arrogance; but also, with infinite clarity, that there is no such thing on the internet or in our democratic politics as a level playing field; and, moreover, that the playing field which exist today steeply favors his corporate constituecy. How exactly is he wrong?
  
  He is wrong with respect to just about everything that understands the meaning of “power” and “right” in our democracies. He is wrong with respect to what constitutes “political permanence” in our democracies. Why?
  Because no institutonalized “Political permanence” other than those associated with democratic processes (the sanctity of the voting booth, the primacy of civil liberties) apply in our democracies: There is no permanent king and there are no permanent policies there. It is this fact that allows us to reject Anons’ claims that our “fanciful” view of copyright is irrelevent; or that the currently legislated copyright perpetuity is anything other than a legally facilitated hijacking of the publick domain; or that the copyright laws that exist today, precisely because they do exist today, will necessarily exist tomorrow. We will continue to reject these claims as if they were a slightly warmed over bucket of dog vomit. Why? Because Anon has misunderstood our weaknesses just completely as he has misunderstood his strengths.
  
  We should say to Anon, “We will vote these entrenched crop of legislative hacks en mass out of our legislatures, because we can. We will pass new laws to make the publick domain the only destination of all intellectual property, because we can. We will pass new laws of criminal sanctions (to include executive managers) on any corporate acts that infringe the democratic primacy of individual citizens in our legislatures, because we can. But, not only because we can, but because it is right.”
- ThumbsUpThumbsDown
  
  As ugly as it is, this Anons’ corporate shill reflects some compelling truth that is sadly far too often ignored on the internet by all who argue the political and social meaning of dissent from the copyright laws; and, the necessary priority for dissent from the corporate participation in our legislatures that has made them possible.
  
  We should hear this Anon telling us clearly that the distance between the copyright laws we dream of and the copyright laws that actually exist is the distance between two parrallel universes.
  He exults that our claims as well as our responses are mere fancy! Yet, is there not a sense in which he is right?
  
  This Anon tells us with infinite arrogance; but also, with infinite clarity, that there is no such thing on the internet or in our democratic politics as a level playing field; and, moreover, that the playing field which exist today steeply favors his corporate constituecy. How exactly is he wrong?
  
  He is wrong with respect to just about everything that understands the meaning of “power” and “right” in our democracies. He is wrong with respect to what constitutes “political permanence” in our democracies. Why?
  Because no institutonalized “Political permanence” other than those associated with democratic processes (the sanctity of the voting booth, the primacy of civil liberties) apply in our democracies: There is no permanent king and there are no permanent policies there. It is this fact that allows us to reject Anons’ claims that our “fanciful” view of copyright is irrelevent; or that the currently legislated copyright perpetuity is anything other than a legally facilitated hijacking of the publick domain; or that the copyright laws that exist today, precisely because they do exist today, will necessarily exist tomorrow. We will continue to reject these claims as if they were a slightly warmed over bucket of dog vomit. Why? Because Anon has misunderstood our weaknesses just completely as he has misunderstood his strengths.
  
  We should say to Anon, “We will vote these entrenched crop of legislative hacks en mass out of our legislatures, because we can. We will pass new laws to make the publick domain the only destination of all intellectual property, because we can. We will pass new laws of criminal sanctions (to include executive managers) on any corporate acts that infringe the democratic primacy of individual citizens in our legislatures, because we can. But, not only because we can, but because it is right.”
  - Guest
    
    Is dog vomit tax deductable in this Bravado New World?
    Will we fight them on the beaches too?
    - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
      
      Forget the beaches; the more Anon succeeds, the closer we are to replacing his corporate cleptocracy at the ballot box. We must understand, however, where Anon is right. He has every right and opportunity to point out that the current copyright law is all too real and controlling on our lawbooks and therefore in our societies. He has every reasonable right to assert that we are arrogant and unrealistic if we insist that the “rightness” of our claims is the effective answer to our adversaries.
      
      What I hear in Anon is moral and political bankrupcy, but it is not weak and it is not disorganized and it is not stupid. When Anon tells us that we are in denial, it behooves us to look more deeply within ourselves and much more broadly at the powers and prevledges that Anons corporate avatars have arrogated to themselves in our democracies.
      
      I do not believe that the reference to “fighting them on the beaches” can be taken as an invitation to accept that what is favoring Anon in todays political reality is the final nullification of effective democratic process: Quite the contrary. I believe that it is here that Anon and Anons avatars are themselves in denial. They claim that their power is permanent, we know that it is not. Anon tell us confidently to “try” and chage the system.
      
      Yet, we must reach deep to know that it is precisely this that Anon and Anons avatars cannot afford to say to loudly: Their private horror is exactly that we will “try”; that we will “try” to clarify our own minds; “try” to discover our publick will; “try” to return to our ballot boxes; “try” to vote their political lackeys en mass out of office; “try” to make new laws which banish their corporate creatures from our legislatures; and once again, “try” to empower ourselves rather than those who would rule over us.
      
      Why?
      
      How could you not be horrified of this democratic process if you were Anon or Anons corporate avatars. Eight hundred million voting Americans and Frenchmen and Germans and Italians and Swedes and Norwegians and UK citizens are not the beneficiaries of these disgraceful copyright laws. And, because they are neither powerless nor stupid, these citizen will find their ballot boxes. When they do, Anon will need a new job shilling for a socially more relevant employer. Utorrent, for example?
    - ObserveAndLearn
      
      @ThumbsUpThumbsDown
      
      Unfortunately, as I pointed out earlier, there is no warrior class here.
      
      Truth hurts but Anon is correct in his assertion that the people on this board are blinded by their own indignation. They have shared a blinkered view of reality for so long that they have evolved an altered mindset. TF, while fun, has given people here their own ‘safe harbour’ – a place to retreat to and hide in the comfort of halcyon views of a common fantasy: that things wont change, or at least very little.
      
      In a nutshell, and avoiding any diatribe, the reality of the situation is this.
      
      In the past the law worked in the filesharers favour.
      Because it was, new digital information, how it was stored, transposed, and manipulated, was outside the scope of existing copyright law. People who were able to master this new medium and could truly understand it found themselves in demand, even revered. Time passed. More learned. The knowledge base of the entire race grew and more and more people began to discover more and more novel ways of applying this technological marvel. Computers shrunk from the size of a basement to smaller than a shoebox. Copyright didn’t change because there was no real threat and no industry large enough to foot the bill for huge court cases.
      
      Time moved on. Multinationals discovered a use for this medium. Mass storage increased. Plastic discs now had the capacity to store movies. Studios seized the opportunity and capitalised on this most versatile disc. They saw an opportunity and they took it as any enterprising business would. They tried to protect them, and continue to do so, but there was always someone smart enough to hack or bypass that most critical defence.
      
      The time came when the product they developed risked becoming worthless, worse still, it was discovered that far from taking genius, any deadhead could operate a computer if it was supplied with a GUI. Soon anybody in the world could copy their product…something had to change.
      
      They couldn’t undo the use of computers, they couldn’t permanently safeguard the information on the discs. They asked the people to stop copying but they wouldn’t. But selfishness has it’s own karma. They had no recourse but to turn to law. And the law surprisingly said ‘NO, we can’t help you. Your product is outside the remit or our rules. We don’t know how to classify it’.
      
      Oh, how the pirates rejoiced, because they could copy without persecution.
      
      The rest as they is history.
      
      The plain fact is, the people who’s movies are exchanged on the internet got off there arses and employed people who got off their arses and approached other people to help them change the law to protect their assets. That’s what laws do. They evolve, they change to accommodate new situations, products and practices. If they didn’t we could still be putting lead in makeup and be arrested for playing football in the street.
      
      Now is a the time of change for digital media. It is simply it’s time.
      New laws have been passed. Too bad. The good times are over.
      If you think what they have achieved is immoral, illegal, or just plain unconscionable here’s what you do.
      
      You (Pirates) stop bellyaching. You get off your arses and occupy yourself in a political movement or body who employ people who get off their arses and approach people who are able to repeal the laws you consider unjust in protecting a companies assets.
      
      Your chances are slim to none. See that’s the karma. Pirates have been sat on their arses so long that their own complacency has overtaken them. Now it’s a game of catch up or shut up. For once you are behind and your fortresses of digital impregnability are crumbling.
      
      Your warriors are few. You have neglected to train them. Your own fault.
      
      What’s the advice we send our adversaries – ‘Adapt or Die’.
      It could be used as a good epitaph also.
  - Anon
    
    It absolutely IS your right and I encourage you to try. Your problem ahead, and the issue currently facing the Pirate Party, is the historical connection human nature makes between the creator and their creations. This has always been true and a new format like digital or a new tool like a global network won’t negate millennia of established human agreement. The fact that one CAN make unlawful free copies and thereby devalue the original in the marketplace is no more relevant to our discussion than anything else unlawful you can do and try not to be caught doing.
    
    The readers and posters on a site like TF are in a similar reality-avoidant mindset, but in such dramatic minority because of the broader sense of human nature that you’ll never gain a majority until human nature changes, which of course, it never does. Read your history if you think somehow the passing of time is on your side. It’s not.
    
    If any one distinct mistake of the pirate mindset can be isolated and showcased it is this: You want to think of the internet as a “parallel universe” that will inevitably be governed by a completely different set of ideals and regulations, as if it were somehow different from any other tool used by civilization.
    
    This is wishful and silly, unlearned and surprisingly naive. And distinctive only to a very small assemblage like those in the TF readership. Bottom line? You’ll not prevail, not ever in this free-for-all mindset, because your pointlessly radical ideas of “you can’t stop me” run foul to the greater majority of human thought that constitutes “fair” as regards the creator/creation relationship by a different metric than the “free-for-all” crowd does.
    
    In the meantime, all you are doing is pointlessly giving government and industry the evidence they need to corporatize a once-great communication medium and you are so institutionally selfish, you don’t care. If 23.7% of all telephone traffic were directly linked to unlawful activity, do you really think our phone lines would remain unmonitored?
    
    You do?
    Start breathing the same air as the rest of us, thanks, and the discussion finally improves. :-)
    
    http://documents.envisional.com/docs/Envisional-Internet_Usage-Jan2011.pdf
    - ObserveAndLearn
      
      It helps that the population as a whole have absolutely no awareness.
      They don’t care about censorship because it hasn’t happened yet.
      If it did happen they wouldn’t know how to fight it and few would brave finding out.
      It only applies to filesharing. You are still free to descry the world if you want to.
      The simple truth is, no matter how many millions might share, there will not be millions standing behind anyone on this board should they be brought before His Lordship in the morning.
      
      Minorities can argue for change. If they’re lucky they get some modicum of consideration from a government that may fear embarrassment. That’s it.
      The major laws will be implemented, a few human rights issues may be considered and BitTorrent will allowed (with restrictions). It is unquestionably the best method to transfer large files but it will be used under licence and will be heavily monitored. It will be absorbed into the state as opposed to expunged.
      
      In the future when the internet is reduced to a library and shopping outlet, which it would be now but for the thorn in the side which is ‘Pirates’, nothing much will have changed. Life will go on. As long as people don’t break the law, pay their bills, and don’t voice complaint too loudly the state will leave them alone to continue paying taxes and their humdrum lives.
      
      Despite what the small community here thinks, the Pirates of this age have the same qualities as the previous ones: they are a a nuisance, they are few, they are more likely to run and hide than stand and fight, their alliances, even to their own ilk, are tenuous and treacherous, and they are as uncoordinated as a herd of spooked gazelle.
      
      There are about 40 people, regular contributors here who have shown some perception of the real state of affairs, and the ramifications of what is about to pass. The rest are giggling idiots. In the two years I have been visiting this board, There isn’t one…not a single one, that could be called a leader or who has managed to gain support from what is basically a rabid horde of baying dogs. Not one of you could convince another one to join them for coffee never mind a Conference of War.
      
      That is why you fail.
    - Guest
      
      You’ll not prevail, not ever in this free-for-all mindset, because your pointlessly radical ideas of “you can’t stop me” run foul to the greater majority
      of human thought that constitutes “fair” as regards the creator/creation relationship by a different metric than the “free-for-all” crowd does.
      
      You are completely wrong, as usually you don’t understand the adversary’s arguments or motives.
      
      (1) Piracy is not limited to the freetard crowd.
      
      Piracy is commited by anyone who makes a copy in violation of current copyright law.
      
      Copying a friend’s Itunes library is illegal; streaming your music to a guest’s computer at a home party is illegal and a lot of other scenarios the copyright industry has pressed hard for making illegal.
      
      (2) Since the copyright industry is not even willing to legalize private copying, all infringers who could be otherwise divided by a small private copying excemption are essentially forced to operate in the same legal climate.
      
      (3) Most copyright infringement is unstoppable taking place in private channels.
      
      Even if all public unencrypted communication is monitored and censored, encryption and snkeakernet is still very fast and efficient.
      
      I can push around 1 TB music each week if I want, and my circle of friends of and their friends’ friends could do the same.
      
      You are seriously underestimating the pirates if you believe that lack of a centralized organization is a weakness.
      
      Leaders can be arrested, tortured or killed.
      
      But a leaderless movement can’t be stopped but only temporarily hampered in its effort.
      
      Let me take another example where the law and popular norms is out of sync.
      
      Honor killings is illegal in the western world, but still very widespread among Muslim immigrants.
      
      Honor killings can’t be stopped, but only occasionally prosecuted
      
      Muslims only comprised 7-13 percent of the population in major European cities, but they are nonetheless able to give law enforcement a run for its money.
      
      If contempt or hatred for the law is so widespread that you can only win by killing or locking up thousands or millions you have already lost.
      
      Law enforcement is basically contingent on the state’s power and willingness to inflict death and deprivation of liberty on lawbreakers.
    - Guest101
      
      Oh, grow up you infantile whiner. If you don’t want something copied, don’t release it (you have an expectation of privacy for unpublished information after all). You confuse mine and thine, you greedy psychopath. You own your copy. And only copies exist. You have no right to control other people’s copies, you’re like a toddler screaming “MINE!!!”. And the public knows this. They see the petulant whining of the copyrightist babies, and they are disgusted. I’ve taught 70 year olds to use bittorrent. You have lost. You just don’t know it yet.
    - Guest
      
      You’re still really bad at this. Look, you aren’t going to foster feelings of helplessness and despair here. We’re smarter than you, we see through you.
    - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
      
      I pay close attention to Anon; and, I suggest that anyone who dissents from current copyright law as a ruthless corporate confiscation of the publick domain do likewise. Why? Because Anons’ power to clarify is every bit as relevant as his power to confuse.
      
      We can learn nothing truthful from Anon about who we are; or why we dissent from the copyright laws; or why we consider our metastatic dissidence the single most important responsibility in our democracies; or why we might see two or three hundred million people per day ignoring the strictures of copyright in much the same light as we remember Ghandi at his loom telling the British that no the people of India would not pay the salt tax; and, in much the same way as we remember Martin Luther King telling the lords of Jim Crow that the outhouse at the back of the store was not the rightful legal place for him and his children to have to eat their lunch. It is sad that Anon has nothing to teach us about these things. It is even sadder that in regards to these important values he has so very little to learn.
      
      Anons’ comments have absolutely nothing to teach us about the meaning of “private” property in our democracies. Why? Because no first year law student in any western jurisdiction today can earn his way claiming that the right of private property
      is unlimited, inviolate, or unconditional as regards the publick interests in the social commonwealth. Anon is wrong here as a matter of law. As we would say in the vernacular, “That is why god created the law of eminent domain.” We might add, “That is precisely why our forebears created the original law of copyright. Yes, to ensure that the original artistic creator had an opportunity to profit, but not an intrinsic, perpetual, inviolate or unconditional right. No sir. Our forefathers made explicit provisions for the “earliest possible return” of intellectual property to the publick domain. Of course, Anon is silent here. How were those rights lost? Anon can teach us nothing about this..
      
      After all, Anons’ position is not about persuasion. It is actually all about diktat.
      
      Anon is silent because he has nothing new to tell us about the coming repressions that his corporate avatars will impose on us through their current control of state powers.
      
      On the other hand, we have nothing new to tell Anon about what it means in a democracy when two or three hundred million people become a billion or two billion or four billion angry voters who know full well how they came to be disenfranchized and understand completely what they must do to reclaim their democratic rights. Oh no! We have nothing new to tell Anon here. But believe me, he already knows.
    - Rekrul
      
      It absolutely IS your right and I encourage you to try. Your problem ahead, and the issue currently facing the Pirate Party, is the historical connection human nature makes between the creator and their creations. This has always been true and a new format like digital or a new tool like a global network won’t negate millennia of established human agreement. The fact that one CAN make unlawful free copies and thereby devalue the original in the marketplace is no more relevant to our discussion than anything else unlawful you can do and try not to be caught doing.
      
      You seem to be implying that a majority of people feel that copyright infringement is wrong because they respect the rights of the creator. Where is your evidence for this? I’ve never met a single person who would refuse copied software or movies on moral grounds. I’ve met people who weren’t interested, period, but nobody has ever said to me “No, I don’t want a copy because I don’t think it’s right.” When most people find out that you can get free movies off the net, their first reaction is usually “Wow, can you get me xxxxxx?”
      
      A large majority of people use the net to download movies and music. Even people who are clueless about computers are using torrent software. Look at all the mass lawsuits where the companies are suing 20,000 people at a time? It should tell you something when they have to pass laws against something that millions of people are doing every day. If they weren’t, all the Usenet companies and cyber-lockers would be out of business. Torrent sites wouldn’t exist.
      
      In the meantime, all you are doing is pointlessly giving government and industry the evidence they need to corporatize a once-great communication medium and you are so institutionally selfish, you don’t care.
      
      You mean like when all the pirates gave the movie industry the evidence they needed to try and get the VCR banned? Oh wait, there wasn’t any evidence because it was a completely new technology that the MPAA tried to kill. And gee, how exactly does piracy fit into the equation of the entertainment industry constantly getting the government to extend the length of copyright to virtually unlimited (for the original artist) terms? How about things like region codes on DVDs/Blu-Rays? Software companies not letting re-sell software that you paid for?
      
      The entertainment corporations have been demanding more and more control since the first commercial entertainment products rolled off the assembly line. Musicians claimed that the player piano would kill live music. Before that, scribes screamed bloody murder about the invention of the printing press. If the entertainment industry had had as much influence over the last 50 years as they do now, there wouldn’t be any consumer level access to the net, VCRs, home computers, or CD/DVD burners. You’d need a goverment permit to own a camcorder and everything you filmed with it would be encrypted with a unique serial number. Think this sounds paranoid? There have already been proposals to have DRM embedded in everything from routers to hard drives. The music industry succeeded in getting the “Recorder Identification Code” included as part of the CD burning standard so that every disc can be linked to the burner that produced it.
      
      So you’ll excuse if I don’t give a crap about their “rights” anymore. They certainly don’t care about mine.
  - CHRONOSSANGRY
    
    AND TO YOU I SAY
    
    Another one got caught today, it’s all over the papers. “Teenager Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal”, “Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering”… Damn kids. They’re all alike. But did you, in your three- piece psychology and 1950′s technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him? I am a hacker, enter my world… Mine is a world that begins with school… I’m smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me… Damn underachiever. They’re all alike. I’m in junior high or high school. I’ve listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. “No, Ms. Smith, I didn’t show my work. I did it in my head…” Damn kid. Probably copied it. They’re all alike. I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it’s because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn’t like me… Or feels threatened by me.. Or thinks I’m a smart ass.. Or doesn’t like teaching and shouldn’t be here… Damn kid. All he does is play games. They’re all alike. And then it happened… a door opened to a world… rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict’s veins, an electronic pulse is sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought… a board is found. “This is it… this is where I belong…” I know everyone here… even if I’ve never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again… I know you all… Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They’re all alike… You bet your ass we’re all alike… we’ve been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak… the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless.
    
    We’ve been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert. This is our world now… the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn’t run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore… and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge… and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias… and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it’s for our own good, yet we’re the criminals.
    
    Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual,but you can’t stop us all… after all, we’re all alike.
    
    +++The Mentor+++
    - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
      
      It never ceases to amaze me that like Heisenberg’s electron the substance or direction of real intelligence and real creativity can almost never be predicted or contained.
      
      I believe that the singular threat of the current copyright laws is that the legal repression that empowers them will allow them to predict and contain all culture and all art and all discourse (political, scientific, and otherwise).
      
      Like you, I speak for the power of the human spirit to find itself in the dark and express its meaning uncontained, undefined, undefiled and unpredicted.
      
      But, honestly; I hear the voices of these corporatist Anons, and, the thing they speak of most persuasively is the inevitability of their increasing control. They tell us that they are not the uncreative and unintelligent slackards of our youth. They too did
      their homework and worked hard for their place at the top of the human pyramid. They’ve read their Darwin and they know that the other ninety nine percent are losers when they hear them. They claim that they are the publick domain, and that human culture has no better or more rightful place than in their hands.
      
      Perhaps, like mercury we’ll slip through their fingers. But just right now, I wouldn’t take any bets on it.
    - AnonSucks
      
      @ ThumbsUpThumbsDown
      
      “Perhaps, like mercury we’ll slip through their fingers. But just right now, I wouldn’t take any bets on it.”
      
      That reminds me of a lyric to a song, “And all that followed fell like mercury to hell”.
      
      I think that’s the best way to explain what’s going to happen when these industries get their way. Two things will happen. Either they’ll get their way and nothing at all will change (in regards to people still downloading stuff anyway). So they’ll have to huff and puff some more, and it’ll just be a never ending thing. Which’ll eventually lead to them having to finally change their ways, because you can’t force people to pay for your stuff (at least not yet, but I wouldn’t put it past them to try and get a law passed that said if you didn’t buy X amount of dvds/cds per week you’d be fined and/or sentenced to a prison term of X length). As in, eventually, when they’ve gotten all the laws they want passed and that still doesn’t save their “dying” industries, they’ll have no more boogeymen to blame. People won’t believe them when they say otherwise, so they’ll have to own up to their own shortcomings. And give the people what they want, products at reasonable prices and in reasonable ways (no DRM, no region coding, multiple formats, etc.).
      
      Or, the laws being enacted will get abused (which is the most likely thing that is going to happen) and begin affecting people in ways that they currently aren’t aware of (because the industries are downplaying all that, instead focusing on and spreading their “piracy” propaganda and how these laws will only affect the “evil pirates” of the world), which will lead to people saying “you know what, f*ck you and your laws”. At which point the people will make their voices heard and governments have no choice but to listen at that point. You might be a huge industry, but when people all over (the same people who outnumber the people in the industries, the same people who each have an individual vote) decide that your bullsh*t and the government backing of your bullsh*t has gone on long enough, the government will cave to the people. (It’s better to appease the people and stay in comfy positions of power, than it is to piss them off for a few idiots, I mean “industries”.)
- Rekrul
  
  This isn’t such a big deal. “Everything” is legal until it becomes abused, or used in the majority for unlawful purposes and then regulation applies. When the regulation is flaunted, even when a part (in this case a very small part) is used for lawful purposes, the element must conform or be lost. Usenet refused to conform to lawful purposes and after as long series of opportunities they failed to provide compelling reasons why they should be allowed to facilitate unlawful behavior. Fine, their choice.
  
  Criminals use the mail to ship drugs and other illegal things, does that mean that you want the postal system to start opening and inspecting all packages or simply shut down? How about the phone companies? Do you want them to have people monitoring every call that is placed through their system to make sure that nobody is doing anything illegal? And if they refuse, should we shut down the entire phone network?
  
  Most every flea market I’ve ever been to has had someone selling bootleg DVDs. Does that mean that flea markets should be outlawed?’
  
  As for Usenet conforming, how exactly do you propose that they do that without both compromising the privacy of the people posting through them and stomping on perfectly legitimate postings? Any keyword filter is going to censor tons of stuff that isn’t copyrighted. Any list of file hashes can be easily circumvented, which again draws the anger of the entertainment industry who think that you can just wave a magic wand and make copyrighted files disappear.
  
  This is like expecting Google to make all copyrighted search results disappear. Filter for movie titles and nobody can reach the official sites (or do they get special treatment?). Filter for the movie title and the word “torrent” together and dozens of news articles about the evils of piracy disappear. How about the title and the word “download”? Whoops, now the site where you can “download” the official wallpaper is unreachable. Gee, seems like developing a magic bullet for piracy isn’t that easy, huh?
  
  Maybe we should just say “Fuck it!” and shut down the whole internet. After all, how important is global communication and the technology age when the entertainment industry’s multi-billion dollar profits are at stake? I mean, they [i]DO[/i] run the world…
- Hypocrisy
  
  Every technology can be abused… I don’t see you worried about scientists making weapons of mass destruction!
  - AnonSucks
    
    He’s a troll. He cares not for anything but the industries. But he’ll spin any argument to suit his (I mean, THEIR) cause. Best to just ignore him and his retardedness. Reality will slap him in the face soon enough. What’s interesting is he likes to mention “history” in some of his arguments, but he’s too stupid (or willfully ignorant) to notice that history is against him and his industries.
    
    They tried outlawing booze. That was a massive failure that besides being repealed by a Constitutional amendment, directly led to the rise of organized crime.
    
    They tried outlawing drugs and drug use. That massive failure has not only caused us who knows how much in money (fighting the “war on drugs), it has also led to who knows how many people being arrested and imprisoned (which we innocent taxpayers get to pay for), as well as clogged up the court systems with petty (as in minor) drug related trials. Not too mention the fact that, once again, it was led to a rise in organized crime. To the point, that the cartels are now a huge problem, who will fight tooth and nail (and with much better weaponry) to keep reaping their multi-billion dollar profits.
    
    And now they’re trying to essentially outlaw the internet. Lol. I read that and as melodramatic as it sounds, it’s what they’re pretty much trying to do. And the sad thing is, they think they’ll succeed.
    
    And the even more pitiful thing is “geniuses” (and I use the term as loosely and sarcastically as possible) like Anon don’t realize that their own words (in regards to history) are very much against them.
    
    When this doomed to fail venture is over and done with, I only hope that we’ll at last be free of Anon (and his ilk) from commenting on this site. Perhaps the MPAA blog (as well as all the others like it) will open up their pages to comments. So we can dish it out in return. Then again, as you so nicely and simply put it, they’re “hypocrisy” knows no bounds. (I know you didn’t say that exactly, but your username and what you did say implied that.)
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord
  
  then I don’t understand why money is legal, it’s both abused and used for abusing other things, ALL THE TIME.
- Plop
  
  “If this were all kiddie porn, or credit card numbers offered for use in fraud, also unlawful, it wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow.”
  
  No, kiddie porn and [stolen] credit card numbers [sic] aren’t unlawful, they’re illegal. There’s a world of difference. Much like the difference between trespassing onto a farmer’s field (unlawful) versus murdering 56 prostitutes in a serial killing spree (illegal).
Steve

“a similar judgement would also mean the end of file-hosting sites such as Megaupload, and other cloud storage services including Dropbox”

Stop spreading lies to further your pro piracy agenda. Dropbox is a site with a completely different purpose than Megaupload. They do not encourage piracy by offering cash rewards for sharing as others have done.
- Guest
  
  Does Megaupload also have cash rewards?
- Anonymous
  
  Not everyone uses file hosting sites for profit. There are many people who are still using rapidshare to share files even though they do not offer any cash rewards. :P
- TheS4ndm4n
  
  The judgement is that an internet service provider, like a usenet provider, filehosting site or a cyberlocker, is responsible for copyright infringements by their users.
  
  Thats about the online equivalent of the state(roads), renault(car) and BP(gas) getting a speeding ticket every time i break the speedlimit.
- Anonymous
  
  The article was talking about the fact that file-hosting sites and cloud storage services would shut down because they can’t filter out infringing files. It is NOT because they encourage piracy.
  
  Please make sure you understand the article before you jump to conclusions.
- Rekrul
  
  Stop spreading lies to further your pro piracy agenda. Dropbox is a site with a completely different purpose than Megaupload. They do not encourage piracy by offering cash rewards for sharing as others have done.
  
  Neither does YouTube, but that hasn’t stopped Viacom from trying to sue them into oblivion.
http://cashsharp.com Ruth Shaw

awesome
http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

I never really liked Usenet services anyway because they make you pay for things. But this is looking bad.
- Fox
  
  But you’re paying for a service that allows you access the same material you can with bit torrent + more without needing seeders.
- ObserveAndLearn
  
  Can anyone translate Alyssa’s first sentence into latin?
  That could be the New Age Pirate motto.
  
  Be mindful of what you say. Walls have ears.
- Rekrul
  
  I never really liked Usenet services anyway because they make you pay for things.
  
  Usenet used to be included as a standard part of every internet account, like email. However, since it didn’t have the flash of the web, it never appealed to the younger generation and ISPs didn’t like having to spend money on something extra, so over time it turned into a stand-alone service.
  
  On the other hand, the download speeds are great, you can often download stuff from up to three years ago (try to download a torrent that’s over six months old), and you can’t be traced by any third parties.
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anon

Fuck BREIN and Fuck the MAFIAA, we will not allow you to turn the internet into television. And fuck the governments around the world, who use these greedy media jerk-offs as a smokescreen to try and kill the last free frontier of humanity.
Guest

Stop spreading lies to further your pro piracy agenda. Dropbox is a site with a completely different purpose than Megaupload. They do not encourage piracy
by offering cash rewards for sharing as others have done.

The reward is for uploading files , not for uploading infringing files.
By your sick logic, any program rewarding behavior generally infringing some law is illegal.
- Cet
  
  +1000
Cet

no stress go to http://www.deviloid.net and drink a beer :)
Pelouze

Awesome news :)

If people could be trusted on a free internet, things like this wouldnt happen.

Thanks pirates for fucking up the internet :(
- ObserveAndLearn
  
  The state doesn’t trust you any more than anyone here. Get real.
  The state doesn’t even trust the people it employs.
  Dickhead.
  - Pelouze
    
    Who cares if the state trusts me any more or less.
    
    Pirates will still be the reason the internet gets a whole bunch of new laws and restrictions – thanks Dickhead
    - Paranoid1
      
      Yes, Pirates will ‘be the reason’ the internet gets a whole new bunch of laws.
      But they are scapegoats for what would have happened soon anyway.
      
      Don’t any of you get it yet? Not one of you?
      
      The Monopoly gets the cream with carte blanche to manage the media control of the largest, stable, information dissemination platform on the planet.
      
      The guardians will be the MAFIAA who will have nothing much to do once the pirates are erradicated. With the police forces and military suppressing the wars and public unrest in their own nations, they will have little time to adequately monitor such a huge undertaking.
      
      Because of the success accredited to them for the demise of the Pirates, the MAFIAA and associated bodies will be given the keys, and the licence, to maintain worldwide internet security. They already have many of the monitoring tools in place. More will be granted them. And soon any for the asking.
      
      Welcome, not to 2011, but to 1984.
    - Paranoid1
      
      Yes, Pirates will ‘be the reason’ the internet gets a whole new bunch of laws.
      But they are scapegoats for what would have happened soon anyway.
      
      Don’t any of you get it yet? Not one of you?
      
      The Monopoly gets the cream with carte blanche to manage the media control of the largest, stable, information dissemination platform on the planet.
      
      The guardians will be the MAFIAA who will have nothing much to do once the pirates are erradicated. With the police forces and military suppressing the wars and public unrest in their own nations, they will have little time to adequately monitor such a huge undertaking.
      
      Because of the success accredited to them for the demise of the Pirates, the MAFIAA and associated bodies will be given the keys, and the licence, to maintain worldwide internet security. They already have many of the monitoring tools in place. More will be granted them. And soon any for the asking.
      
      Welcome, not to 2011, but to 1984.
    - Paranoid1
      
      Yes, Pirates will ‘be the reason’ the internet gets a whole new bunch of laws.
      But they are scapegoats for what would have happened soon anyway.
      
      Don’t any of you get it yet? Not one of you?
      
      The Monopoly gets the cream with carte blanche to manage the media control of the largest, stable, information dissemination platform on the planet.
      
      The guardians will be the MAFIAA who will have nothing much to do once the pirates are erradicated. With the police forces and military suppressing the wars and public unrest in their own nations, they will have little time to adequately monitor such a huge undertaking.
      
      Because of the success accredited to them for the demise of the Pirates, the MAFIAA and associated bodies will be given the keys, and the licence, to maintain worldwide internet security. They already have many of the monitoring tools in place. More will be granted them. And soon any for the asking.
      
      Welcome, not to 2011, but to 1984.
    - Paranoid1
      
      Yes, Pirates will ‘be the reason’ the internet gets a whole new bunch of laws.
      But they are scapegoats for what would have happened soon anyway.
      
      Don’t any of you get it yet? Not one of you?
      
      The Monopoly gets the cream with carte blanche to manage the media control of the largest, stable, information dissemination platform on the planet.
      
      The guardians will be the MAFIAA who will have nothing much to do once the pirates are erradicated. With the police forces and military suppressing the wars and public unrest in their own nations, they will have little time to adequately monitor such a huge undertaking.
      
      Because of the success accredited to them for the demise of the Pirates, the MAFIAA and associated bodies will be given the keys, and the licence, to maintain worldwide internet security. They already have many of the monitoring tools in place. More will be granted them. And soon any for the asking.
      
      Welcome, not to 2011, but to 1984.
    - Guest
      
      Pirates will still be the reason the internet gets a whole bunch of new laws and restrictions – thanks Dickhead
      
      The reason is not the pirates but the government cracking down.
      
      Are Muslim girls also responsible for honor killings?
      
      If they just did as they were told, there would be no reprisals by their families?
    - Guest101
      
      Sure, and girls who get raped are just asking for it by wearing those slutty clothes. Oh wait, that’s insane. The internet gets restricted because power-mad psychopaths are scared by it. Copyright enforcement is just one convenient excuse of several. I firmly believe in the abolition of copyright monopoly, but don’t kid yourself – if there was no copyright, they’d still just be using one or more of the other excuses.
- Guest
  
  It’s about money and control not copyright, dickhead.
  - Pelouze
    
    You mean a business that invests and profits from their media creations are concerned about pirates giving away their media. DUH
    - Peleez
      
      No it’s about media corporations who are given the right to censor, and demand what is censored. Filesharers don’t make a profit. Pirates do but the majority of files are simply downloaded for individual viewing. Very few actually profit from it and most wouldn’t have bought the original. I would rent before I would buy anything these days due to most of the movies these days being such crap.
      Dickhead.
H3

Simple solution would be shut down the servers and move to asia, problem solved.
- ObserveAndLearn
  
  No. The answer is to fight for what you believe in and stop running away.
  - Guest
    
    No. The answer is to fight for what you believe in and stop running away.
    
    And what does fighting mean?
    
    Accepting the firing squad or imprisonment as punishment or overthrowing the government by force?
    Not a good idea.
    
    You can fight in many ways, asymmetric warfare is the art of inflicting higher casualties on a stronger enemy at low costs.
    
    Instead of seeking fruitless legislative reforms, the pirate movement should focus its attention on bringing the system down by attrition and overstretching the enforcement bureaucracy of the state.
    
    Ideally we should try as much as possible to paint the endgame for the IP maximalists:
    
    Total IP enforcement if necessary by armed military police or admission of defeat.
    - ObserveAndLearn
      
      Good. Very good. Now we are talking tactics.
      Most of this board revolves around the ‘Who’s got the biggest knob’ type debate.
      
      Good to see the foot soldiers on the ground though.
      
      Carry a banner for your great cause lately?
    - ObserveAndLearn
      
      And before you ask, yes I have, and mounted a letter campaign.
  - Smoo
    
    Keeping the servers up anywhere in the world IS fighting. The war against the fascist thievery of copyright law is a global war.
    - ObserveAndLearn
      
      Agreed. But what have you done personally?
  - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
    
    You’re right. What people don’t get is that just because it’s the hard answer, that doesn’t make it the wrong one. Thanks.
Thomishere

Who are the “prominent resellers”? a full list please.
Thomishere

Who are the “prominent resellers”? a full list please.
Thomishere

Who are the “prominent resellers”? a full list please.
Thomishere

Who are the “prominent resellers”? a full list please.
Anon

Since when is lawful conduct in a modern society “sick”?
Wow. Do you fail hard.
- Guest
  
  What’s lawful?
  
  Please define the metric for sane lawful conduct?
  
  In China criticizing the party is unlawful, and I wager that obeying the law is the highest command and encouraging the violation of the law is sick.
- Guest101
  
  When lawful conduct is lawful uinder unjust laws. Do you think we freed ourselves from british oppression by obeying their laws? Don’t be retarded.
- Guest
  
  Wow you troll hard but you always fail.
Ryan

I’ve heard there are certain streets in New York and LA where you can buy bootleg DVDs.

Better nuke ‘em both, just to be safe.
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Anonymous

Looks like the Kangaro oCourts are out of control! Seriously.
complete-privacy.us.tc
Anonymous

Looks like the Kangaro oCourts are out of control! Seriously.
complete-privacy.us.tc
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Lol7799

freedom is not free, pay up or live like the coward that you are
Anonymous

I hope this News-Service.com is the assholes who have been
spamming the whole Usenet with adverts about how they are
really fast, and have everything for free.
Benjamin

I am old, very old. The US Constitution clearly states “piracy of the high seas is the only one punishable by law”.

In the 1930′s all the countries agreed by charter to make all television free and without charge. To be financed by advertising. You could later record movies and tv shows with video tapes.

Musicians used to want their music
to be heard, thus free radio, which
could be recorded by audio tape.

Those of us who were writers put out work out there any way we could.

People who were creative gave of themselves to the world (think paper clips, and people like ben Franklin).

Copyright and patents came about so others could profit on the creative work of others, just look at who is really making the money in these lawsuits. Certainly not the creators.

Just one persons opinion
- Guest
  
  Exactly and that means MAFIAA is an E-PARASITE of creativity.
Paulmarkhamcontent

Great news. Another site leeching off the backs of others goes down. the snowball is rolling down hill and picking up pace. When the pirates share their work, income, traffic, ad space for free. they can have their free Internet.
- ThumbsUpThumbsDown
  
  Bad news for you indeed. The ultimate leeches are in the corporate suites. They got free entre in our legislatures a while back and gave themselves perpetual copyrights and the state power to enslave us all trying to enforce them.
  
  I understand your commitment to protecting what “is yours”.
  But perhaps all of humanity would be better off if copyrights were limited to a three to five year term; available only to the original artistic creator; and, explicitly excluding second title purchasers acquiring only for redistribution of the monopoly attributes of copyright.
  
  On billion people is a lot of people to fuck over in a naked perpetuity under the premise that their patience is as infinite as their numbers.
  
  You are right about the snowball thing: But, might you be wrong as to the direction that this particular avalanche is taking us?
- Cheesy
  
  Neither the velocity of the snowball, it’s mass, nor the direction it takes matters.
  It’s what lies at the end of it’s trajectory.
  
  Pirates have shared there work. It’s called a Torrent client.
  They have shared their income. Someone, somewhere bought the original.
  Traffic is shared, between members of a swarm.
  
  If all your snowball can demolish is ads, I’m not too concerned.
Anonymous

“It’s a breakthrough step to further dismantle (the Internet|freedom of speech|sanity)
Anonymous

“It’s a breakthrough step to further dismantle (the Internet|freedom of speech|sanity)
Username1

This does not mean anything , if one business closes I go to another business or place
or website or system or person or whatever.

I get everything I want free from the internet , have never stopped since way back in the 90′s.

I did it today , just a few minutes ago , I’ll do it tomorrow , I’ll do it next year and the following years after the mayan apocalypse.
Provided we survive December 21 2012.
I’ll probably be downloading something on that day from some evil file sharing protocol or service or whatever.

I get whatever I want anytime I want it , if it can be transferred over the internet.
Every so called “win” the copyright trolls have had, have had no meaning to me at all.

And one day I will own a 3d printer and I won’t even have to buy real world products anymore.

And one day we will have Star Trek replicator technology and I won’t buy stuff ever again.

I know this movie(In Time) has had mixed reviews but I enjoyed it , I believe people who are down with
file sharing will enjoy the message of this movie , which to me was , it was saying , “fuck the system
we are giving it all away”.

In Time 2011 TS XviD V2 READNFO – MiSTERE – 1.37 GB
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May BREIN R.I.P. (but it’s not mandatory).
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Paranoid

I wonder what the next move will be, will it be that they will demand all home users are limited to a measly 10G per month through isp’s as only pirates would need more and only businesses would genuinly require more than the 10G. That isp’s will be assumed to be encouraging piracy because they would be deemed to know that they are encouraging piracy as they should know that fact as the servers must know they hold illegal content.!

Judges should be schooled in the way the internet works before making dumb court orders.
- Cheesy
  
  More like they’ll meter everyone over 15 gig and ask for a report as to what the users were downloading with that excessive amount of bandwidth. Fish in a barrel.
http://twitter.com/isthatguy Ivan

I just finished getting off the support channel with http://www.newsdemon.com and they said they will NOT be affected by this. very happy!
http://twitter.com/isthatguy Ivan

I just finished getting off the support channel with http://www.newsdemon.com and they said they will NOT be affected by this. very happy!
Kuik

Tim Kuik verdient klappen.
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Eins

New lands for TOR, old laws for a new world will not endure.
- Pelouze
  
  Its easy as anything to block TOR…more sites should try it.
losers

Yeah, lets just toss out copyrights and while were at it how about trademarks and patents ,too?
Anonymous

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Anonymous

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