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Megaupload Demands Return of Millions of Dollars From U.S. Govt.

Megaupload is challenging the U.S. Government’s possession of millions of dollars in assets it seized from the company and its operators in January. The newly-filed and eye-opening motion slams the U.S. for holding the defendants liable for alleged offenses that aren’t even a crime, ignoring laws designed to offer them protection, failing to provide any detail whatsoever on alleged infringements, and pushing U.S. law far beyond its borders.

In addition to filing a general motion to dismiss the criminal case on the basis that the company was never properly served, Megaupload and defendants Kim Dotcom, Mathias Ortmann, Bram Van Der Kolk and Finn Batato are demanding the return of some, if not all, of the assets seized by the United States.

The motion, which “challenges the scope of pretrial restraint of assets”, is running in parallel with yesterday’s general motion to dismiss, just in case the former should be declined. It also gives us an interesting flavor of the nature of Megaupload’s defense should the case go to full trial.

As previously reported, the US indictment claims that Megaupload caused $500m in losses to copyright holders while generating revenue for itself in excess of $175m. In addition to $67m already seized, the U.S. Government is seeking criminal forfeiture of at least $175m, an amount challenged by Megaupload.

“This represents the total revenues generated by Megaupload during its entire corporate existence,” the motion begins.

“Thus, the premise of the Government’s forfeiture request is that Megaupload never earned a single penny that was not criminal under U.S. law — whether, say, from a non-infringing use of its service, or from use that occurred wholly outside the United States and beyond reach of U.S. law, or even from an infringing use within the United States as to which Defendants nonetheless qualify for a statutory safe harbor or lacked requisite criminal intent.”

Considering the high probability that at least some of the money generated by Megaupload was from entirely legal means (unless every single Megaupload user was engaged in criminal copyright infringement), assets should be released so that the defendants can pay to mount a defense, their legal team argues. Currently, no-one conducting Mega’s expert defense is getting paid.

The motion continues by detailing what the defense believes is the key to undermining the whole case – claims of secondary copyright infringement against Megaupload (i.e holding the company responsible for the actions of its users) can’t lead to criminal liability.

Indeed, only this week New Zealand Judge David J. Harvey made his opinion known, stating that in lacking “statutory support for its unprecedented effort to criminalize secondary copyright infringement, the Government has reached beyond the pale of the law.”

The motion adds that federal criminal liability is created by statute, and no statute imposes criminal liability for secondary copyright infringement.

“Congress did not contemplate that service providers such as these Defendants might be imprisoned based on uncodified theories of secondary liability that are still evolving in the civil context, as though those amounted to established federal crimes,” Dotcom’s lawyers write.

In addition to being held secondarily liable, there are various allegations of direct infringement being leveled at the defendants. For example, one involves Kim Dotcom allegedly uploading a single 50 Cent track, another with Finn Batato doing the same with a Louis Armstrong song.

However, Dotcom’s lawyers note that these allegations contain zero factual information from which the defendants could prepare a defense. Whose copyrights were infringed? How and when did the alleged infringements occur? The list goes on.

“The Government has attempted to make out an all-encompassing case of an alleged criminal copyright conspiracy without bothering to allege concrete specifics of the actual
infringement allegedly committed,” the lawyers write.

“It has attempted to build one of ‘the largest criminal copyright cases ever brought by the United States’ out of conclusory ipse dixit, reciting statutory verbiage and nothing more.”

In the indictment the U.S. makes much of the “rewards program” operated by Megaupload, claiming that such rewards encouraged users to upload infringing material. The defense see things somewhat differently.

“Particularly in the context of this case, where it can be stipulated that Megaupload’s
business was designed to appeal to its users and facilitate uploading and downloading of files, such allegations say nothing of consequence.

“If the Government believes that every such business model is inherently and pervasively criminal because it may enable copyright infringement along with other misuse, then it should say as much, so that everyone is on notice and this Court can take due account.

If, on the other hand, the Government believes that this business and these Defendants specially set out with intent to perpetrate copyright infringement, it is conspicuously bereft of corresponding facts.”

The motion continues by stating that Megaupload had “substantial non-infringing uses” and had protections under the DMCA since it complied with copyright holder takedown requests by removing millions of links to allegedly infringing material.

“Megaupload negotiated with numerous major rights holders, including the Recording Industry Association of America, the Motion Picture Association of America, Disney, Warner Brothers, and Universal Pictures, to grant them full access to directly remove any active link to infringing material,” Dotcom’s lawyers note.

Furthermore, even if the claims against Megaupload had merit, they would still be geographically restrained, Dotcom’s team writes.

“Megaupload was a non-U.S. company whose activities mostly occurred overseas and whose users were mostly located overseas. The laws of the United States do not apply to overseas locations and operations absent contrary prescription by Congress.”

The motion, which runs to 45 pages, is somewhat of a tour de force from a legal team co-ordinated by Ira Rothken of the Rothken Law Firm in California. Its contents could yet provide the biggest copyright-related upset the U.S. has ever seen.

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  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Intensive fight-back I must say. Go go, MegaUpload , beat crap out of us bitches!

    • The guy

      How about simply say, beat the crap out of the corrupt usa politicians and the corporations that pay for them, instead of singling out the entire country and any innocents that happen to reside there? (myself included)

      • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

        by “usa bitches” I mean “corrupt usa politicians and the corporations that pay for them”. It’s just simple and short ;) I have nothing against usa citizens.

        • yello

          USA    0 
          Justice and righteousness 1

        • http://cl.lk/23qx8aq Elizabeth H. Crane

          I have nothing against usa citizens. http://WorkInFaceBook.notlong.com

        • http://writeless.se/ Marcus Ekwall

          But it’s the citizens who vote and have the power to change things, so in a way they are partly guilty as well ;)

        • Predator

          It is the job and the duty of the US citizen to “beat the crap out of the corrupt usa politicians and the corporations that pay for them”. We are going to do our job.

        • bit

          @Markus:disqus  Ekwall: the system is broken, we vote for one thing but get another. it’s been broken for a long time. sometimes it’s a bait-and-switch (initially corrupt politician lies to get elected) and sometimes the politician becomes corrupt only after taking office.

          either way, i don’t blame my fellow americans. i blame the idiots at the helm. our system is broken and they take advantage of it. if i weren’t so busy working my arse off to pay taxes into budgets earmarked for their pockets, i’d consider running for office. i think about 99% of us feel that way. but we’re not politicians: unless politics in this country flipped almost all at once to new-blood, none of the voting public would stand a chance in any major office.

          i think the biggest problem of it all is that politics should never have become an industry. serving in office should be more like jury duty: something we begrudgingly do when our time comes, something that pays us dramatically less than we’d earn otherwise, something that is a civil service we perform and not a fancy way to get richer.

          blame the voters? sure, and while we’re at it, blame the vegetarians for all the pesticides that farmers use. we aren’t entirely powerless, but our power is mostly diluted to nothing these days.
           

        • Chuck

           We “vote” them in.. we are just as at fault as they are.. I mean.. Free health care, end the war, etc..  Did anyone really believe that bullshit?  Yet here we are, 4 years later and nothing has changed.. guess what?  My house still isn’t worth shit!  Thanks for nothing Obama.

        • Morg.

          @301a264cf3c86f0b7b099d4436848ed5:disqus it all sounds nice and stuff.
          But you know what, I blame you and your fellow americans.
          The world blames you and your fellow americans.
          If you want to lie in your problems and use them as excuse to do nothing, go ahead and do that.
          But don’t pretend you’re a respectable free man, you’re just a tool too afraid of his own power.

          Because there is ZERO POWER in bankers or politicians.

          All those guys have is the power you lend them, you are the power, americans fire the guns, americans make the guns and YOU make their companies and mafias profitable.

          Powerless ? no. you’re clueless as to what you are, who you are and what you want to do. but you’re not powerless. you’re the man who keeps the govt running by paying taxes, you’re the man who makes bankers rich by taking a loan. you’re the man. face it, be yourself and kick their asses, that’s what america pretends it is about, so just do it.

          YOU ARE FREE AND POWERFUL

        • Anonymous

          its unbelieable but vary much true, my roommate is earaning good weeklky cash over internet..This figure is approx 3000 USD, the all details are written here====>> ?????? http://getitmust.blogspot.com/m

      • Guest

        I believe the corrupt politicians and corporations that pay for them are the ones being referred to by the word bitches, good sir.

      • D0nteven

         I think it is quite obvious who he intended to single out. When people write, at least in this comment style context, they usually do so in absolutes because it is easier and faster.  The reader should be able to understand the intended statement, if not, then it is the fault of the reader.

      • Morg.

        You voted for them, you don’t actively fight against their meddling in other countries’ business and you don’t actively fight against rape and oil theft in the conquered countries.

        As a summary, YOU are responsible for your country, too. 

        Enough of this USA is evil but all americans are pure.

        • Morg.

          And yes I’m not being nice, but ffs if YOU are not responsible, start rioting right now or admit you like closing your eyes while they put on their rape shoes.

        • Whatever

          Rioting takes too much time and energy which we don’t have.

        • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

          Whatever, *which you don’t want to find

        • Guest
        • Rape shoes?

      • Anon

        It’s the people of USA that elect their leaders.
        It’s ultimately theirs responsibility that their leaders and laws stay sane and uncorrected.

        Of course democracy isn’t really working there, but that’s up to the people to fix as well. If they stay idle it will only get worse.

        • guest

          Unfortunately most people are ignorant to the fact that the United States of America isn’t a Democracy. Its a republic and has been since the beginning. While being similar in some ways, they are vastly different in others. 

      • Anonymous

         ….SINGLING out the ENTIRE COUNTRY……

        too funny xD

        Everybody with a little knowledge of this subject knows who Anime was referring to….

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Hey, if you are not speaking out against this on a regular basis, you are just as much to blame as the corporations and politicians.

      • US-Gov-Sucks

        A currupt system is because YOU THE CITIZEN let it happen, your entire country is screwed up

        You should fence of your entire country and cease all communications with EVERYONE

        THIS WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH NICER PLACE IF THE USA WAS NOT AROUND,
        THAT INCLUDES THE POLITICIANS, Military, and most IMPORTANTLY… ALL ITS CITIZENS.

        Atleast us here in europe had the the balls to stick up for whats right,
        YOU DUMB AMERICUNTS JUST SEND A FEW KIDS INTO THE STREET, TO “OCCUPY” GODS KNOWS WHAT.

        • Use-your-head

          So you say we do nothing at all, and mention the largest movement against corruption we’ve ever seen (Occupy is worldwide). Which one is it? We can’t be doing nothing AND doing something.

        • USAToday

          Suck My Carbon Emissions! 

        • Buster

           O ya, because you guys could handle our unconstrained global corps by yourself right?

        • Underscore18

          We dumb Americans rule the world. You might want to watch your mouth or we might bring the sky down on you. 

        • The guy

          Underscore18 Haha thats a good one mate.

          Also i’m glad people caught on to what I mentioned, despite mostly criticising comments, but for starters, if it wasn’t for the americans speaking out against SOPA and the likes, they would be enacted and we would all be screwed.

          Secondly you should all know that there is another bill that would also legalize government propaganda so those that have been ignorant before will be more ignorant because of that,

        • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

          The guy, “if it wasn’t for the americans speaking out against SOPA and the likes, they would be enacted and we would all be screwed.”
          Lololo, if it wasn’t for the americans and their corrupted governments there wouldn’t be sopa, cispa and so on to begin with.

        • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

          “if it wasn’t for the americans speaking out against SOPA and the likes, they would be enacted and we would all be screwed.”
          The guy, ololo ,dude, aren’t you forgetting something? If it wasn’t for americans and their corrupted government, there wouldn’t be sopa, cispa and likes to begin with

        • The guy

          @twitter-231717669:disqus ”If it wasn’t for americans and their corrupted government, there wouldn’t be sopa, cispa and likes to begin with”

          This is where you’re forgetting something;

          For starters, regardless of who we elect into any form of political power, they will become corrupt with a little lobbying and corporate influence.

          Secondly, the american citizens had nothing to do with the introduction of any of these bills, it was the MPAA along with the RIAA, corporations introduced these bills, and they payed the government to try and push them through.

          Point is, no matter who is elected, greed will eventually take over and basically screw us in the ass, so you should hate on the corporations instead of the citizens, who, mind you are having a tough time trying to fight back because the rest of the world is to busy hating on us to try and help us fight against corporate greed that will soon affect every country in the world.

        • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

          and greedy corps are ruled by freakin aliens!

    • HustleHard

       I hope he gets all of it back!  Also this is not just the US involved here. NZ agreed to this and let it happen!. Everybody seems to forget about that!  He should bring action against the NZ government too.

  • suppertorrentman

    it would be extremely funny if next year megaupload was back up and running 

    • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

       if both motions will be satisfied it might be pretty  possible outcome

      • Thenell87

        I’m not a lawyer, but I imagine this would set a legal precedent which would strongly deter similar cases in the future, too.

  • Test

    What about interest & damages ?????

  • Guest

    Kim Dotcom and Ira Rothken, you are magnificent fucking heroes and through you may karma’s work be done.

    • Guest

      Yes Kim, you were successfully able to launder $500 million without going to jail. This gives all of us hope.

      • everydayman

        you sir, can fuck off

        • Guest

           No, previous guest is correct.  Remember that under the US government’s definition of money laundering, paying hosting costs = money laundering.

  • Stella

    torrentfreak, can you please link to the document? this is different from the motion to dismiss the case?

  • Sorry

    Sorry its all the “Hope and Change”. From the US citizens to the world. We are sorry our government are jackass’s. We are trying to fix this shit. He should be out by Jan. Hollywood is backing the Dems again. We should get this fixed soon. 

    • Mrvestek

      This has nothing to do with Obama this is about over zealous copyright holders and their minions. 

      You gotta love the way people who are against Obama try to blame everything on him though… even something he has no jurisdiction over. 

      • Gaybama

        no jurisdiction? don’t make me laugh man. The boss is fucking responsible for the what the subordinates do.

        • Danny

          Not in the case of a government.

          ‘The boss’ actually doesn’t have much to do with the various aspects of running a country. No single person could physically do that. It takes both sides of the US government to make law and they are both being paid by the MAFIAA.

        • C1650314

           You should try reading the Constitution sometime.  It’s very informative.

        • Anonymous

          @danwood76:disqus  Actually, as chief of the executive, all Federal enforcement and bill execution ultimately rests with him.  So if the DoJ is pushing a massively untenable criminal case way across lawful jurisdictional boundaries, you can bet someone high up is pulling the strings.  If he didn’t issue the orders himself, you can bet Obama isn’t out of the loop on the action.  And you can bet the Hollywood money is a significant factor of his inaction.

      • 7seven85

        Dont get me wrong. Obama is the NUMBER ONE FRIEND OF HOLLYWOOD !!
        Recently, we see him in stupid talk-shows and entertaining the W.House like an actor with Jimmy Kimmel.
        If SOPA or PIPA went on his desk, he would have sign these bills.

        The fact is Hollywood are Democrats, and most of Republicans don’t like Hollywood at all (because they are Democrats lol).
        During the GOP debates, someone asked what was there stance on SOPA, and when the speaker start to say “Hollywood”, the crowd booed…

        But, sometimes, if not often, the both side can be the best friends of the world when it comes to get Hollywood’s dirty money. Lamar Smith and Patrick Leathly where sucking each others dick for passing SOPA and PIPA… They failed for now, but the fight is not over !

        • No

          Your bashing of Democrats is hilarious. This is exactly what they like to see: rightists pointing at the left, leftists pointing at the right, and everyone ignoring the problem directly in front of them. Don’t forget that SOPA/PIPA had very bipartisan support.

        • No

           ”They” referring to crony politicians, which is to say, all of them.

        • Buster

           O ya cause the Commie Blacklist and the Queer Blacklist were super-liberal ideas. that damn McCarthy pushing his progressive ideologies on the world!
          Republicans hate hollywood because they allowed African Americans onscreen before the conservatives were ready for it (as if they’d ever be ready for it) and OH NOES!!! Gay Kisses on TV??!!?!

    • netgrazer

      Mitt Romney is definitely going to turn this thing around!

      Or not.

      Don’t kid yourselves, 2 party system = broken.

      • No

         No, it’s a one-party system that consists of two flavors of the Fascist Party.

    • Guest

      Really? Who is Obama going to be replaced with in January? Mitt Romney, who sucks corporate dick with the force of a thousand jet engines?

      The only way we’re going to fix this soon is if we kick the Democrats and Republicans both out on their crooked asses, and vote a third party into office, preferably the Pirate Party.

      To paraphrase South Park, alternating between a giant douche and a turd sandwich every 4 to 8 years solves jack shit.

  • Anonymous

    Its kind of funny really, but at the same time alarming. The US has pretty much vindicated a man, and a firm for a supposed act of MENIAL copyright theft. Such claims are still yet to be proven.

    Kinda makes you wonder, if there is going be a guantanamo for alleged copyright breakers. Who know, maybe even victims will be subjected to hours of Justin Beiber songs.

    • Morg.

      All the while americans  apologize and attempt to flee from their responsibility in yet another grave human rights violation.

      • Cassquatch

        Actually, American man power (two words, my friends, two words) has done very well by local people of overseas countries, to be as vague as possible; and Anime, you gave me an idea, when you said “And really, you want rest of the world to help you fight mess inside of your own country?”  We do love fighting the good fight of human rights, but that isn’t a bad idea.  No one likes this shit, right?  Even as a US citizen, I would love if other countries, again with the being vague, would lend a hand in some of the problems we have that we can’t solve for many reasons, all different reasons.  If you consider it in terms of resources, without bias, as, just because we have propaganda to train us to feel a superficial loyalty to our country causing us to be pompous and ignorant versus recognizing the differences between our ideals and reality and interactively being apart of our Nation and it’s relationship with other countries, we very well may need the third party perspective.  We really might need a bit of an intervention.  In speaking strictly about our political farce-a-thon where corporate interests make legal debates where there should be a cutomer-is-always-right attitude (birth control…really? We do have the right, and it’s already been apart of like EVERY culture), I personally think we have it made, and politicians are stirring up dust where they should be sowing seeds.  How would your countrymen handle it’s government when they do something to shame your people in the name of protecting rights holders with a financial incentive and a devestating blow to the fact that we humans, all of us, have awesome new technology that could be very productive and helpful for our species, every last one of us, either directly or indirectly, and your government is paving the way for communication censorship of it’s uses and therefore any innovention hindered because of that action simply over an idea like “Because I can, and My Boss Wants Me too…Plus! I get a Bonus at Christmas!!! It’s kind of like a bribe, but the paycheck is So Big, that only my subconcscience knows about it”  We can file share, and we’re getting petty because a lot of people only have enough creative spark to think about downloading movies; we should be worried about the creative spark.  But, alas, I’m on my ass. 

    • Danny

      The pain of that kind of torture is unimaginable, I wish it on no one!

      • Anonymous

        Just imagine the poor studio tech that has to listen when he records!

    • Anonymous

      This is just the usual copyright enforcement theme of shoot first and hope you have a valid victim second. We may note that the US Government is quite happy to run with that theme.

      You can see the flaw here when they often try to take enforcement concepts beyond the law, more into their hoped up law, even if the law of the land they have not yet managed to corrupt that way. They also run with vast arrogance and make people guilty because they want them to be.

      The majority of enforcement measures do end in failure for them but of course they care none about the millions in damages they cause. The same in my case a market leading company trashed by them and their very stupid and wrongful claims.

    • Anonymous

      “Kinda makes you wonder, if there is going be a guantanamo for alleged copyright breakers. Who know, maybe even victims will be subjected to hours of Justin Beiber songs.”

      That would be cruel and unusual punishment.

  • Anonymous

    Hoho! I bet the US Government shat bricks when Dotcom returned fire. Keep ploughing ahead Dotcom. Take the government by surprise and teach those fat cats hiding behind large desks that the media industry can’t just barge in and tell everyone what to do and not expect consequences. 

    • Danny

      They have certainly bit off more than they can chew.

  • Anonymous

    Or for those seasoned file sharers- a remix of Bieber and Rebecca Black. 

    • Danny

      aaaah, just thinking about that is painful!

  • Xi_ruler

    Another US gov’t witchhunt. smh

  • Arb1

    Just off top of my head on “If the Government believes that every such business model is
    inherently and pervasively criminal because it may enable
    copyright infringement along with other misuse”. Wouldn’t that Every ISP in the US should be shut down and sued as they facilitate to?

    • Anon

       I believe that is the case that Dotcom lawyers are arguing, they cannot use a law that does not exist, and if they try to pass that law they will have the might of the Internet come down on there heads just like what happened with SOPA. .I am loving this and think it could backfire on Hollywood big time.

      • Yeti’gin

        At what cost?  A man is a scapegoat for law change that shouldn’t be in my countries consitutional amendments.  God… This guy is suffering, and all any of us can do is talk about it.  Not just talk about it, but in the context that it’s just not right. 

  • http://saulgoode.myopenid.com/ saul

    “You need to protect the equality that produces the sense of entitlement, insight, and freedom that the Internet has given us. And to resolve the inevitable policy problems, we need to churn those problems through democracies that ARE NOT CORRUPT.

    “Help US… Teach US… Shame US… to become something more;

    “But until we do, protect yourselves… from US.” — Larry Lessig, addressing InternetNZ Nethui, July 2011

  • M.T-B.

    I think that they have all missed a trick here. Some of the content on Mega was copyrighted but the quality  was so so. If there was a system in place to grade the quality of posted copyrighted stuff then you would instantly have the ability offer a reasonable compensation to the producers and also make money. The amount fans out there who don’t have access to US TV,movies,music ,and can only receive content from the net is very hi. Also don’t you producers want to know how many  people are really watching your stuff. Mega was or is already in place.  Maybe the onus should be on make the model work and not criminalizing everybody.file sharing is here to stay.   

  • http://www.buycenturylink.com/centurylink-bundles.aspx Sabitha K

    That is going to make an interesting lawsuit!!!

  • http://bundles.telcoservicesgroup.net/bundles/ Samantha Kirk

    That is going to make an interesting lawsuit.. a bold move by Mega upload!

  • http://www.buycharter.com/internet.aspx Rita Dawson

    Very good demand by Mega indeed! 

  • Link
    • Sober

      The language is quite eloquent … 

      “The Government, in short, has destroyed Megaupload without bothering even to  serve the company and is now bent on preserving its advantage by disabling any  effort to challenge the lawfulness of its actions. Only if there exists probable cause to conclude that Megaupload’s entire business was, from root to branch,  criminal in nature might the Government’s adventurous approach be sustained.  Yet any such premise falls apart upon sober examination of facts and law.”  Nicely written. 

    • Transmogrify

      Transmogrify – Transform, esp. in a surprising or magical manner. 
      … 
      “Instead, the Government has stepped in to transmogrify the doctrine of secondary infringement, as fashioned by the courts for civil copyright cases, into a crime and to wield its prosecutorial pretrial powers to snuff out an innovative technology—thereby upsetting the essential balance that Congress and the Supreme Court have taken such care to strike and maintain.” 

  • h33t

    the damage is already done: MEGA is down and out. summary justice has been served and MEGA has paid the price

    this whole MEGA prosecution stinks of “emergency measure”:

    “”Vigilante justice” is rationalized by the idea that adequate legal mechanisms for criminal punishment are either nonexistent or insufficient. Vigilantes typically see government as ineffective in enforcing the law; and such individuals often presume to justify their actions as fulfillment of the wishes of “the community”.” (wikipedia)

    the MAFIAA deploy their considerable resources in precisely a vigilante manner. how very telling of their gangster culture they make the USG their moll. when this prosecution collapses the USG will be disgraced

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      MegaUpload could come back VERY easily if the rulings go in their favor. I would personally start using them again just to give an “F-You!” to the content ‘creators’ whose stuff is mainly derivatives of previous works.

  • nick

    its not the president, or the people. ITS THE BANKS. They are the ones who control and the only reason why USA is expanding into other countries is to control the money. Money is power.
    They pull the strings. And i bet, the Fed is already in your country, controlling, but you don’t know it.

    • IDIOCRACY

       yes check out “the money masters” just google on it and watch the docu, takes about 3 hours but believe me, it is worth it.

  • http://deals.telcoservicesgroup.net/fios-bundles Nathan Brown

    Good move! We need to appreciate it!

  • Anon

    “Megaupload was a non-U.S. company whose activities mostly occurred overseas and whose users were mostly located overseas. The laws of the United States do not apply to overseas location”
    this is obvious, obvious and obviousm, dafuq USA ???????

  • NeverHadADreamComeTrue

    I could smell something fishy in this.
    I hope that Kim Dotcom win and ask for maximum compensation which those fat debt-burdened USA bastard will not be able to pay and thus ended up Kim Dotcom taking over USA.

    • Morg.

      Yes because that would make so much sense right –
      I do like the debt-burdened part, and the fact that most americans are totally oblivious to the fact that their country is more or less like Greece.

      • Yeti

        Eh, we actually know that we are heavily in debt; and we also know that we have a republic democracy to choose a President. 

        • Morg.

          Interesting, most american comments I read think Europe is in worst shape than their country – with less debt, much less credits and no retarded printing of 1 trillion bucks when shit hit the fan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

    USA fucked up big time… and that tax payers are going to pay Dotcom.

    • Taylor

      lol better than paying for bank bailouts :)

  • Anonymous

    I dont think fat boy is in any position to demand anything lol.
    Anon-Soft.tk

  • Guest

    FUCK YEAH MEGAUPLOAD

    • Predator

      No.

      FUCK YOU ENTERTAINMENT PAID TROLL!

      Are you not a shame to make money this way by spreading false for hire opinion?

      and:

      FUCK YOUR BOSSES TOO BEFORE WE HANG THEM ALL!
       

      • Anonymous

        If mega et al are declared not guilty or the whole case is dissed, then i hope kim dotcom upgrades everybody accounts 1 step up :-)

  • Andrew Lee

    “Kim Dotcom, Mathias Ortmann, Bram Van Der Kolk and Finn Batato are
    demanding the return of some, if not all, of the assets seized by the
    United States.”

    Some if not all. O_O They should be getting all of it back and then some. They need to learn a lesson that it’s not okay to just go around fucking freedom in the face. I hope Mega gets at least 2x.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed. I never understood the whole “Blame Mega for the actions of it’s users!”

      The DMCA specifically says that you aren’t allowed to do that to ANY internet company.

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  • Jimbo

    kick the US in the nuts, then sue the fucking arse off them!!

  • Zippin2

    Man i wish i could get to read all 45 pages and then to cheer when Megaupload wins there case….

  • foff

    Go Mega!  I am so fucking sick of the idea that these copyright orgs have just assumed a digital copy is an infringement.  Fuck that, a photo copy is legal so should a digital copy,  I can check stuff out of a public library why does have to be a government only thing, with the internet we have one big world library.  Further I am sick of this invented crap of third party infringement,  Gun makers and gun stores are not held liable or accused of assisting criminal activity so why the hell should a cyber locker, just as a gun has legal uses so does a cyberlocker and what someone does with it, is the responsibility of the party not a second or third party.  There is not fucking law or statute anywhere that defines what assisting copyright is, this is bullshit law invented by judicial fiat had has no basis in real law.

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  • Baba

    I just get more and more pissed off every time I read about this case and how the US authorities have gone well beyond the scope of the law with their actions along with their efforts to deny MU the chance to provide any kind of defense.

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    • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

      There is a fire you should be off dying in. Run along you bubbled up yeast infected queef. 

  • YARIGHT

    @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus Underscore18 you Americans THINK you rule the world , its soooo funny to hear a person with an avg world math skills ranking of 32nd to tell anyone with half a brain anything you can dream up.
    Hows that 16 trillion debt working out and hows your employment and hows all that ACTA working out…..everyone in the usa is a moron MORON here me. OH and DON’T expect oil from canada once this current govt in Canada is tossed , were gonna sell it to china and let you buggers push your tanks.

    • moronpolice

       ”everyone in the usa is a moron”
      You are the moron for even making a statement like that.

      • Poster

        Canada?  Never heard of it.

        • YETI

          Canada’s real.  I didn’t think assholes could come from such a place, though. 

    • Guest

      Give American people a break, its not as if they got to choose what country they were born in. And its not like they agree with the actions of they’re government, simply because they are American. They are just people, there are idiots in every country……. Its a shame your from Canada because i like Canada and your the first sucky Canadian i’ve seen :(

    • Dafoodatkills

      Who invented… The modern day factory line? An American. Who invented the Airplane? An American. Who invented porn? An American. Who invented a nuke? A German. Who invented Canadians? Americans.

      • YETI

        We were harboring that German.  He was Jewish.

      • Morg.

        Modern day factory line has been attributed to Ford but there clearly is prior art.Airplanes were researched and flew long before the wright brothers completed their own.

        Porn is much older than movies, too.

        And Canada was most likely invented by France and the UK, just like the United States.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/prunn Bruno Lévesque

    Bad news for Kim Dotcom… the us gouv is broke!

    • Anonymous

      Good news is that they can always print 1 extra trillion..no problem!

      • YETI

        Been there, done that.  We started selling hair and putting lithium in our sodas. 

      • http://redesigned.com redesigned

        are you suggesting they can just copy money endlessly without creating more value just so they can rip off the rest of the world?  oh wait, they do…

        16trillion no less.  who are the real criminals?

        • Maks82

          dollar is going down the toilet just like euro, economy is not healthy lots of smoke and mirrors and skimming painful truth, no competitive, over debt and over spending

          it s great time to get some gold or some “REALLY” independent country currency. To some degree printing money and devaluation is natural process but they are abusing and overdoing it. My country is doing that also, local currency is down 20% to euro and euro is going down, now who the fuck is crazy in this game. Don’t trust papers, trust resources you can control

  • Guest

    Good news, Who knows, maybe soon Megaupload might even claim for damages :D They have lost a lot of income in the months that Megaupload’s been down. Who’s going to pay for that?

    Megaupload = TPB of file lockers :D

  • Guest

    The truth is on Megaupload’s side.

  • Yessir

    USA is no longer the United states of America.
    It’s the USC and USP.
    United States of Corporations and
    United States of Politicians

    Go Megaupload, put the US in their place.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      Corporations are like guns, if bad people are using them, bad things happen, otherwise they are harmless.

      • http://redesigned.com redesigned

        not entirely true.  i’m going to play the devils advocate here and overstate the other side of this argument just to make the point clear.  obviously there are no easy truths or answers…reality tends to be more murky, but here it goes none the less.  the counter argument:

        ==================

        corporations have been granted personhood, which they are not, and shield people from liability from their actions to a large degree, and are beholden to a bottom line and shareholders, which is an inherently flawed model of existence.

        similarly guns only have one real purpose, to kill things.  it is why they were created and what they were created for.  granted killing things all the time is impractical so people practice by shooting at targets and simulated live things.  guns don’t have to be used for killing, but they don’t have any other practical application except the sport of practicing shooting things.  even their defensive application is because you can shoot an assailant, they deter through their sole negative purpose.  even cops carry guns to shoot people if it becomes necessary, protection through their negative purpose.

        people can hunt and provide food for themselves with a gun, which is a positive thing brought about by the negative power of the guns ability to kill.  that is akin to any good that corporations do, they provide and accomplish through their negative power over other smaller companies, etc.

        ==================

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  • Dub Foo

    Wtf is this shit about a reward system???? Where the hell is my reward?

    *False Statement by the USA government*

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  • Guest

     Good old uncle sam  won’t give up his booty without a fight, but megaupload is ready to fight those pirates and thieves.

  • Euphoria

    is it not suspicious that the Google drive where launched almost in the same time frame? Wasn’t Mega Upload a big “other country” competitor.
    Just wondering….

    • Ms. Yeti

      I have to doubt it, just because Google is kind of like the modern version of what colleges and universities used to be; it’s a meeting of the best minds in a given field for support, research, and inquiry.  I think as institutions they have different objectives, and aren’t in the same class to be competitors.  Plus, that’s the first conspiracy I’ve heard on the matter.

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  • tonyj

    “As previously reported, the US indictment claims that Megaupload caused $500m in losses to copyright holders…”

    That’s right, the high paid florist lost his job. In the mean time the U.S.  just cut 5000  government positions this month.

  • http://7-books.net/ SleepyJohn

    It’s all very well blaming ‘the people’ for electing the ‘wrong’ government but in even the most democratic of democracies there always seems to be just two apparently polarised parties that in truth have the same ambitions but just spell them differently. We have to live with this.

    Running a country sadly requires the abilities of those who, in many ways, are quite unsuitable for doing so. The Editor of Private Eye once said that anyone who WANTS to be a prison warder should be automatically disqualified from being one. The same could be said of politicians.

    I think in the end the people’s real power lies not in the ballot box but on the streets. Not in the sense of violent revolution but in Ghandi’s sense of passive resistance. If enough people simply refuse to obey the authorities, the authorities will have to give in. They must be shown that they are the servants of the people, not the rulers.

    The root of current US government corruption seems clearly to be the Entertainment Industry. They are the ‘authorities’ here and they can be brought to their knees quite easily if everyone simply stops buying both their lies and their merchandise – the Ratner Effect. We shouldn’t waste bullets on the monkey messengers in government, we should garrotte the organ grinder. Without the powerful MAFIAA’s sordid financial backing the government’s inevitable peccadilloes will be much easier for the people to live with.

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  • Fact

    the biggest corrupt company here is the u.s. of a

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  • Tbsoft2001

    I realize this is off-topic and that it’s chic to know nothing about grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. However, when you have a word that ends in “ly” as in  ”The newly-filed and eye-opening motion” you don’t hyphenate ‘newly filed.’ That’s because newly is an adverb that is modifying “filed”. However, you correctly added a hyphen to “eye-opening” because it is a compound adjective. Part of the problem is that “newly filed” is awkward. You don’t mention anything about this being a courtroom drama at this point. “Eye-opening” is awkward as well because it adds nothing – mostly because it’s a cliche. Really? An eye-opening motion? Why not just say what it really is: surprising, secretive, ambitious, ridiculous, etc. Then you could get away with something simple such as “a recent motion” and then describe why it is (whatever, unique, outlandish, etc.).Better luck next time.

  • Jose Ria

    If… megauploaf was closed… why not mediafire, rapidshare and all the others?

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