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Megaupload User Asks Court To Order Return Of His Data

Months after the Megaupload raids and arrests, the fate of the data stored on the site’s 1,103 seized servers is still unclear. Many Megaupload users want their accounts returned because they contain irreplaceable information, but they have been waiting in vain. Today the EFF has filed a motion on behalf of Megaupload user Kyle Goodwin, which demands that the court finally comes up with a solution.

megaIn the wake of the January shutdown of Megaupload, many of the site’s legitimate users complained that their personal files had been lost.

Behind the scenes Megaupload negotiated with the Department of Justice and other parties to allow these users to temporarily access their files. When these negotiations failed last month the court was asked to provide a solution, but in response it instructed the parties to reach an agreement on their own.

However, a month has passed and absolutely no progress has been made on the issue according to a document filed today by the EFF.

Representing Kyle Goodwin, a sports reporter who used Megaupload to store work-related files, the EFF has filed a motion in which it demands that the court finds a workable solution for the return of his data. Goodwin already requested the court to assist in a document filed early April, but he is tired of waiting.

According to the motion, the seizure of the data and domains violate the constitutional rights of many innocent Megaupload users.

“In seizing domain names and executing the search warrant at Carpathia, the government took constructive possession of third parties’ data, then abandoned the data under circumstances in which it was both inaccessible and potentially subject to destruction,” the motion reads.

“It is equally obvious that the seizure and continued denial of access violates Mr. Goodwin’s constitutional rights. Under the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, the government was obligated to execute the searches and seizures in a manner that reasonably protected the rights of third parties to access and retrieval.”

The motion also emphasizes that this request is not just about a single Megaupload user, there are many more who find themselves in a similar position.

“To be clear, however, there is more at stake here than Mr. Goodwin’s data. The government also seized the property of an unknown but significant number of other people along with Mr. Goodwin’s property. If the Court does not act, all of those people also face years of deprivation, if not permanent loss.”

The EFF further points out that the government has gone too far in its actions.

“What is worse, the government’s procedure and legal posture in this case appears to reflect a broader disregard for the effects its increasing use of domain and other digital seizure mechanisms can have on the innocent users of cloud computing services.”

The motion concludes by asking the court to appoint an independent third-party to investigate the exact requirements and options for a user data retrieval.

Aside from asking the court to come up with a solution for Megaupload users, the EFF suggests that the court should prescribe procedures and standards on how similar data seizures should be handled in the future.

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  • Anonymous

    Stop acccepting money and represent the people who elected you!

    • DutchGuest

       Yeah….
      Good luck with that.
      Y’all might want to try banning the whole sponsoring/funding crap that’s keeping the politicians firmly in the big corporations’ pockets.
      If nothing else, it could stop those mongoloid republican dickheads from trying to keep poor folks out of affordable health care, and it could keep democrat cocksuckers like Joe Biden from getting into office.

      • Anonymous

        I’m sick of this down under as well.  The next wave that is about to hit us down here is the Data Retention.  Our Attorney General signed 4 documents recently.  I wondered, WHAT IS THE SECRETERY OF US HOMELAND SECURITY DOING HERE!!!!!  My Attorney General Nicola Roxon didnt even blink.  Who is running my country?   Gee, Ive got to stop electing these idiots.

        • yello

          im in full agreeance my down under friend. its a pathetic situation. i mean… Who has ever heard of a country not doing the right thing by its people……….

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OK7Y7PCSTJ27RCKZ2MGRSAYCTE NEIL

           And here in New Zealand buddy – good luck with them getting their data back – our police force are now saying they can’t find the security footage they removed from the property when they made the raid. Kim wants it back to assist in defending his case….

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      • Huddel

        Or just maybe you guys could try writing/calling/meeting your representatives and show your points and stances. Seem to work fine for churches, retirees and the National Rifle Association. Should work for geeks and nerds too.

        Keep in mind, most politicians are ignorant [not in the sense that they are idiots, but that they lack knowledge] in regards of tech industry and policy and rely on the opinion of media and people to form their opinion.

        If you guys and the tech industry [as it seems they don't have a lobbying arm and even when they have their interests may conflic with the interests of people] don’t go there and tell them what you want, the lobby groups are going to have their way and educate them wrongly about it.

        And no, those people don’t have the magic power to know what you want, neither they have “common sense” in regards to technology and computers. Even the most liberal and progressive american politician is on average locked 20 years in the past in regards to tech issues (Remember the ammount of “I’m not a nerd” said during the SOPA hearings?), and they need to be told about it [of course, politely and without offenses].

        So go around and look for the number/address of your representatives, write them letters/e-mails during electoral campaings bringing your issues, call them when a vote on a issue you deem important is scheduled and tell them your instance on it.

        tl;dr:  Be part of the democratic process, don’t isolate and alienate yourselves from it.

        • Anonymous

          yep.  Correct.  I wrote to Senator Scott Ludlum here and at the end he said “please keep up your lobbing efforts, It all helps”

        • Anonymous

          Actually, the tech industry has a strong lobby. Several should I say.
          (BSA first comes to mind, which represents mostly software companies.)
          However, as with any other lobbies, their interests don’t match ours most of the time. The only positive point is that their interest don’t always match that of the entertainment industries either. (See SOPA for an example.)
          However, keep in mind though that it’s not a general rule. Far from it. (See CISPA) And the media lobby is much stronger than the tech lobby… (There was an infographic about their respective contributions… the media lobbys spendings far outweighted the tech lobby’s.)

        • Guest

          Writing/calling/meeting your representatives won’t accomplish anything unless you follow it up by cutting them a very large cheque.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Perham/1543836773 Richard Perham

          Isn’t the lobbying arm of the tech industry called Anonymous??.. Oh sorry that’s its conscience

        • Anonymous

          Hardly. “Anonymous” is the part of us equipped with a moral compass but which lacks blinders.

      • Lethn

        Sponsoring and Funding shouldn’t be illegal but they should be forced to clearly display who is funding their campaigns like an ingredients list on a food packet. People who sell things are forced to warn about materials or ingredients that might be harmful to individuals so why not force politicians to shout out organisations that funnel mnoey to their campaigns as well?

        This way people will have no one to blame but themselves if they vote for a party that has lots of money coming from pharmaceutical companies or the catholic church. Granted I probably wouldn’t go so far as to publish small amounts donated by individuals because that wouldn’t be fair but definitely the amounts that influence policies.

        • http://twitter.com/Ether_Man Daniel Jönsson

          Donations ARE public in the US…  The problem is that it’s so easy to hide it…  And there’s no way around that… Candidate wanting to get donations, simply set up a seperate company or org for that purpose. Then all money that candidate recieves will just be “donated by company Candidate Donation Fund”…  The only way to change that would be to seriously inflict huge harm on legit businesses where all businesses would have to reveal their incomes…  Which would make all sales public knowledge…  Everyone would be able to look up every single purchase made by their neighbour and that’s NOT a good idea…  So basicly… It’s either allow donations and accept that they are hidden…  Or deny donations alltogether…  

      • Admiral Ackbar

         Corporate welfare is a bitch.

    • Om3g45m45h3r

      i backed up my son’s bought and paid for iTunes backyardagins episodes on megavideo if anybody is asking for proof it not copyright infringement i can prove that  i bought the licensee from itunes

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  • Anonymous

    how about Neil Macbride pull his head in

  • Anonymous

    Listen Neil, You’ve got crap on your hands.  Have you looked back through history?  i mean, is it possible that copyright is in error??

  • Andrew Lee

    FFS They need to get off their lazy fucking asses and return all files to the users. Whether they’re copyrighted or not… You can find anything that’s on megaupload at many other places so I think giving people a few days weeks or whatever to download their shit will not hurt anything.

    Jesus Christ our DOJ here is full of fucking morons on a power trip with power they definitely do not deserve. This country has been turning to shit for a long time and the progress just keeps speeding up.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed on that. I personally think that it’s time to reopen MegaUpload. Other businesses are not summarily closed like this, they are allowed to remain open (while being monitored by the police or someone appointed by the courts) until the trials are done.

  • Yesiknow

    I noticed http://megaupload.net is back for sale on sedo.com

    • Techanon

      kim dotcoms site was registered under megaupload.COM and that domain is still seized

  • Amused

    Nobody will ever get any data back. Why?……Cause it’s the American Government. They’re arrogant and they don’t give a shit about anybody other than themselves and the good folks in Holywood who line their pockets.

  • Guest

    Its kinda stubit to backup files in only 1 place…. That place goes down with fire, bomb, court ordered police raid, hard disk failure, backup failure etc.. then you will lose them.

    i for example have stored my importand files (documents, codes, project files) in several diffirent places in excrypted truecrypt file(my parents have one those dvd but they cant really access it since its just one file that encrypted its just there in safekeeping) that has been burned to cd and dvd, and also usb and then on some cyberlocker services.

    • FuzzyDuck

      Stupid it may be, but it’s how millions of people treat their data, and most importanly that still does not justify the US government’s refusal to let people access their data.

  • Motto

    US government – proudly protecting the intellectual property of our corporate sponsors since, and not giving a fuck about your “intellectual” “property”.

  • Motto

    US government – proudly protecting the intellectual property of our
    corporate sponsors, and not giving a fuck about your
    “intellectual” “property”.

  • Anonymous

    Much as I disagree with the action taken against Megaupload, I have to say that I have little sympathy with anyone complaining that their data has been lost.

    It doesn’t have to be government action; it can be hardware failure, or the supplier going out of business, or a natural disaster, or any one of hundreds of things – there is no such thing as a 100% secure location for file storage. 

    If you put your one and only copy of a file which is important to you on a remote server under somebody else’s control, with no backups and no local copy, then you are just plain stupid.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      Kyle Goodwin, the guy mentioned in the article, was using MegaUpload as a backup for his data. He didn’t put his only copy into the cloud, but it was his archival copy. And when his hard drive crashed, it became a major issue for him.

      Fair enough that he should have backed it up elsewhere, but how many backups do you need to be secure? Most users would feel they had done more than the necessary precautions by backing it up once.

    • BackDown

      What BackUp Plan protects YOU from Helicopters, SWAT Teams and Machine Guns?

      • eM16
      • Guest

        “What BackUp Plan protects YOU from Helicopters, SWAT Teams and Machine Guns?”

        Here is one backup plan that will protect you from them.

        - Don’t have ever have 1 single backup unit (single point of failure)
        - Have several physical and virtual locations
        - Physical backup i means you store/burn your files dvd/cd/usb stickies
          Keep file in one truecrypt file folder its easyer to handle it that way, and to distripute to backup locations/devices
        - Phycial locations means friends, parents, sisters, brothers houses just ask them to keep this one.. tell them it contains your encrypted backup file of importand files.
        - Then you can also put cd/dvd to plastic container that does not let air or water inside then make hole to ground hide it
        - Virtual locations, store files as many places you can find.

        Helicopters, swat teams, machine guns they mighty find you and some of your files but they cant legally force you reveal any password(why would you wanna give evitence to police that they use against you) or if you live suck countries or are forced by gun to that that then just reveal that hidden one that does not have anything illegal or secret ones, but it must still have some files so that it plausible to say they are worthy of encrypting (means they must be importand files to you but not secrets, some photos, or dokument would ideally)

    • FuzzyDuck

      Thing is Megaupload itself dealt with the risk of hardware failure so its customers didn’t have to. Also usually when such a service stops, users get some warning and a chance to recover their data.

      The US government denied the users of Megaupload such possibility. And for no good reason, since the only people getting hurt by that are legitimate users. Those using the service for illegitimate purposes are doing so with files that are most likely available through a host of other services too (they were prepared for the risk of the content being taken down by Megaupload when issued a DMCA request). We can be pretty confident that no pirated material was lost by pirates in this operation.

      • Anonymous


        Thing is Megaupload itself dealt with the risk of hardware failure so its customers didn’t have to.”

        That’s marketing bullshit.

        • MadAsASnake

          Mark, the point is that the data still exists. It has not been destroyed by an accident or similar. Another point here is that moving large files around means that active files won’t necessarily make it to one of the backup locations immediately – a double strike can destroy new data even in a well set up system – and Kyle did get the double strike.

  • foff

    The complete retarded government lawyer that orchestrated this mess ought to be strung up by his balzzz!  This was so illegal and wrong.  They didn’t go a fishing trip like this to rabiddog and that site was no different, they just changed a few policies a little sooner.  This whole thing is bull bull and double bullshit

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  • Guest

    When the government can do whatever it wants with no control or repercussions  people tend to get hurt.
    Shame that we have to pay or go to jail only to give the villains more power.

  • Anonymous

    Innocent users should certainly be allowed to get their files back. These are not just US users but users from all around the world. To destroy this data would fall close to be an act of War.

    In the data return goal the US Government is making the problems when every other groups want people to get their files back.

    Worst is that the Judge here is not sorting this out. I recall last time the Judge said clearly he would give them a week to agree a deal that they would all be happy with or if no deal is reached then the Judge would step in and make a ruling. That ruling it seems is that the Judge is a weak pussy in that he does not want to make a ruling against the US Government so he just tossed the ball back to them.

    I am not at all surprised that some users are irate. They see the US Government with little respect for their files and the longer the delay, not only the bigger their own problems, but who knows what damage could happen to their data.

    The most funny part of all this is that the US Government will have no more luck than anyone else to sort out copyright infringement files from those not. So if the data goes back online then it should be possible for prove infringement from servers under the control of the US Government. That would show they have no more luck than MegaUpload did.

    • Anonymous

      Lazy lawyers become judges and become lazier.  However, even a lazy mind is apt to produce something brilliant – Therefore, a judge can make a brilliant decision – therefore, all judges minds are needed.
      We just have to show them today they are beeks
      tomorrow they will be geeks

  • Anonymous

    Anyone ever read the “Copyright Clause” in the US constitution?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause

  • Anonymous

    Yes, what of it?
    It’s a clause about granting monopoly over science and artistic products for a limited time in order to promote innovation.
    Two important parts:
    - limited time (which is more and more in question given the time you keep copyright monopoly nowadays… up to 70 years after your death… how is that “limited”?)
    - to promote innovation (which is more and more in question given the use and abuse of patents in order to crush concurrency)

    Hence a really urgent need to reform “copyright”, “patent” and other so-called “intellectual properties”.

    • Anonymous

      it has limitations, I admit.  It does not grant monopoly.

      • Anonymous

        I dont own and can never own a persons thoughts, ideas or next move.  If I start to think that, then society as I see it is boring.  If I promote the movements of creativity of my fellow man then I walk around in my world with an expectation and a smile on my face.

  • Mac64

    This is why you should *NEVER* use Cloud Storage for Personal Data, It’s always going to be unsafe online.

    I setup my PC for Remote Access, and get to my Personal Data that way, all for free, no fear of it being deleted or my access being denied to my Data.

    I will never ever trust anything online to protect any vital data, You may as well just sell it on CDROM’s on the street, Uploading it online, is more-or-less the same thing as that!

    • foff

      They set back the idea of cloud storage big time.  If the fbi can go in commando style and seize servers for any bullshit they can think up then security of data at any cloud storage site is about zero.

      • Mac64

        Prescisely my point, That’s why I will *NEVER* trust any form of online
        storage.
         
        Besides with software such as TeamViewer and Remote Desktop, You can access
        your data from your own private Home Computer anywhere at anytime, so why would you even *TRUST* a third-party
        with all your Personal Data is totally silly in the first place.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        These companies need a law insulating them from the misdeeds of users of their services…. oh wait, the DMCA actually did that AND the U.S. government just ignored our own laws saying that MegaUpload could not be shut down as long as they abided by the ‘notice and takedown’ provisions in the DMCA.

        The United States government needs a smackdown of the WORST kind here.

  • Guest

    I don’t get it, how can you seize someone’s information and then throw it away … why isn’t that a crime?

    • Anonymous

      Mega-upload showed us that,if your host is on a shit list, you will lose your data.  By the way, back it up, then you can take them to court for privacy violation

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  • Fuck Department of INJUSTICE

    Walk straight into The Department of INJUSTICE’s office and seize back his data. Simple as that

    • MadAsASnake

      I think you’ll find a lot of people use it to transmit large files and having done that it serves as a simple natural backup. Of cours, it shouldn’t be the only backup…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Perham/1543836773 Richard Perham

    Maybe if enough Megaupload users in the US get together and file a class action to retrieve their data AND sue for losses resulting from FBI action, then the feds will have to admit the folly of this undertaking

  • Anonymous

    i wonder if it would be possible to sue the person in charge of the dept that actually carried out the so-called ‘search and seizure’, eg head of the DOJ,or FBI. i also wonder, if that is possible, would those that instigated the whole episode would come to light, ie heads of RIAA, MPAA ,MAFIAA etc and what right they had/have, what relationship exists between them and various law enforcement bodies, to get this type of thing to happen in the first place? the resulting information could create quite a shit storm, i reckon!!

  • Anonymous

    I think fat boy needs to go have another hamburger!
    Anon-Guys.tk

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  • Anonymous

    Damn Government is so Corrupt.Your Empire will fall like every other one before.
    History is doomed to repeat itself.
    or
    They never Learn !

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  • DeadEnd

    there was a lodging a bit back when wordswithmeaning interviewed the dude, theres like a full on brief at their file “reserch database” thing

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  • Asashii

    who would be stupid enough to put their files on a MegaUpload website thats Known for piracy, nothing is safe and hack proof especially these days, and if you didnt know that MU was used for that then what are you doing on the internet, if you have photos and $hite like that go to like flickr or what every, hey let me put important stuff on a kickass server for others to look at my wedding album, the choices you make define you, its like people surfing hack GMNTN sites and getting hacked just saying………..

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