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Open Source Giant VLC Mulls BitTorrent Streaming Support

With more than a billion downloads since its first release, VLC is one of the most popular media players around. It’s free, open source, and can play virtually every video file available. In the near future it could also become the first mainstream media player with the ability to download and stream torrent files. A group of VLC supporters has put up a $10,000 bounty for the developer who can deliver the right code.

vlcVideoLAN’s VLC media player is installed on the PCs of millions of Internet users.

It’s widely regarded as the best tool to play videos and audio in just about any format found anywhere on the web. When something can’t be played, VLC almost always provides the answer.

In the near future the media player may add a feature that will increase its appeal even more – the capability to stream BitTorrent files.

A group of VLC fans and supporters have been discussing this idea with the VideoLAN team, who say that there’s a good chance that a BitTorrent module will be added if the code is right.

TorrentFreak spoke with the group, which includes successful Internet entrepreneurs, and they explained that making VLC BitTorrent-compatible could change the lives of millions. Instead of downloading files through a traditional BitTorrent client, VLC should be able to stream the media directly from a magnet or torrent link, if the bandwidth is sufficient.

Last week they posted their project on Elance, putting up a $10,000 bounty for the developer who can deliver the right code.

“The developer should submit a working patch for VLC that lets a user open a torrent file or ‘magnet link’ in VLC, and start watching any media files within VLC after a minimal delay,” the project description reads.

VLC is open to the idea of implementing and maintaining BitTorrent support, but cautions that there’s a high standard to meet.

Commenting on the plan, VideoLAN’s Jean-Baptiste Kempf told TorrentFreak that the idea to make VLC BitTorrent compatible isn’t new. Over the years several developers have submitted code to do this, but thus far none matched the high quality requirements.

“So far, all BitTorrent related modules for VLC have been of low code quality and have not been merged. We really care about code quality and maintenance, since we are not many in the VLC project,” Kempf said.

“A BitTorrent module for VLC could be a fun idea, but it would need to match and behave correctly in our VLC architecture,” he adds.

There’s also interest in the project from the BitTorrent developer side.

Arvid Norberg of the widely used BitTorrent library libtorrent is offering his assistance to make the BitTorrent part work smoothly. Libtorrent already supports streaming, but this project may be a good opportunity to further improve the code.

“The main reason I’m interested in being in touch with whoever does it is because the streaming support in libtorrent is not all that well polished, and this seems like a good opportunity to be able to get some real testing of it,” Norberg says.

“I think it’s pretty exciting, and parts of it could be somewhat challenging as well, such as tuning the streaming logic and user interface in a way to make it a solid user experience. Especially the case where the download capacity is close to or less than the bitrate of the media being streamed,” he adds.

BitTorrent streaming isn’t really new of course, as some of the most used clients already have similar functionality. However, streaming torrents directly from a media player certainly is a game changer. If the right minds get together BitTorrent may soon be even more mainstream than it already is.

Developers who think they have the right skills to deliver the project are encouraged to apply here.

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  • Mak

    Torrent Stream (TS Player)

    • Evropi

      I just looked at its website. Seems like they just take VLC code (they even have the logo, such scum!) and not opening up their own source code! This is not allowed due to the terms of the GPL. They are actually breaking the license and are liable to be sued. Don’t support outlaws.

      • Rimas

        Well, that’s one way to get the needed code, sue them to open up, ha-ha :)

        • http://blog.ssokolow.com ssokolow

          Eben Moglen had an interesting comment on that in one of his talks. (It think it was “Software and Community in the Early 21st Century”) He said that “we don’t want money, we just want compliance” was often a magic phrase when talking to companies.

          Apparently it’s often a lot easier to get a company to cooperate without escalating to a full-blown lawsuit once they understand that you don’t want monetary reparations for license violation, you just want what they should have been doing all along.

      • ForthWrite

        Outlaws in what way?
        It’s wrong if they are deliberately trying to deceive people in some way, but what is this talk of “take VLC code” and “license”. And now they’re outlaws!
        Code is free for everyone. Any commercial aspects don’t matter. They can use whatever “IP” they like in a business setting or otherwise.
        There’s no such thing as intellectual property.

        • Andrew Smith

          Your not aloud to use open source code unless the product using it is open source as well. Its part of the GPL.

        • ForthWrite

          License is little different from copyright.

        • Evropi

          There is. Open source can’t work without copyright – it’s one of the few instances of copyright practiced correctly nowadays.

          The GNU GPL (what VLC is licensed under) is a ‘copyleft’ license. This means that yes, you can take the code (as long as you give credit – as with all OSS licenses) *BUT* you also have to open up your code too. This often opens up collaboration between two software projects, and in turn, better software. A recent example of this is Android and Linux. Both the Linux kernel and the Android Operating System have been improved as a result of code being passed between the two. This would not be possible without copyleft.

          Basically, this way, you ensure that freedom (or openness) remains. TS takes that way. I’m okay with proprietary software. But not proprietary software that is stolen from free (as in freedom) software.

          While I don’t like the copyright lobby in countries such as the US, I uphold the importance of abiding by copyright. See http://www.acm.org/about/code-of-ethics

        • ForthWrite

          You make it sound as though Open Source is some kind of a right, or necessary for advancement.

          Copyright & Copyleft are both based on the fiction that knowledge can be, morally and legally, owned and controlled.

          “But not proprietary software that is stolen from free (as in freedom) software.”
          Software can’t be proprietary and can’t be stolen.
          You sound like bobmail.

        • NewWorldStoner

          It’s a principle of respect for the free software movement that if using free software in your derived work, means you must therefore be free to study and copy the source code of that derived work, not to simply redistribute a compiled binary at little or no cost.

        • ForthWrite

          You make it sound as though it is wrong to create software and sell it.

          They’re bits that no one owns. Anyone can do whatever he wants with his own copy of any assemblage of bits.

        • NewWorldStoner

          Not at all. I agree no one can own bits and bytes, but in this case it is disrespectful to the free software movement. The freedoms endowed by the original software creators by creating free software in the first place were not upheld, so this becomes an issue of freedom rather than copyright or ownership.

          If you really believed in free software, you would also see the inherent problem with your defence of the software creators who captialise on free software, while disrespecting the freedom that the original software represents.

        • ForthWrite

          >”disrespectful to the free software movement”
          So it’s doing something the content creator(s) doesn’t approve of.
          The proprietary-bits movement doesn’t approve of file sharing.
          Is sharing copyrighted content disrespectful to the proprietary-bits movement?

          >”The freedoms endowed by the original software creators by creating free software in the first place were not upheld…”
          How are the “freedoms” given by the free-software creator reduced by the actions of those not giving the software away? That sounds similar to the discredited Lost Sale argument.
          If anything it increases the opportunity for people to obtain the software. It’s the buyer’s decision.
          It almost sounds as though you are saying that charging for content is inherently wrong.

          >”If you really believed in free software, you would also see the inherent problem with your defence of the software creators who captialise on free software, while disrespecting the freedom that the original software represents.”
          >”I agree no one can own bits and bytes…”
          You can’t have it both ways. The bits are either own-able property or they are not.

          >”your defence of the software creators who captialise on free software, while disrespecting the freedom that the original software represents.”
          Just to be clear, I am not talking about someone who creates copyrighted software from free software and then tries to shut down the free-software version as some kind of violation.

          >”If you really believed in free software”
          I’m not certain about what you mean by this.
          But, if believing in free software means that all software has to be free then I am not a proponent.
          A software (content) creator can charge for it or not. It’s his decision.
          It’s not for you or anyone else to tell him what to do with the content he created.

          >”an issue of freedom rather than copyright or ownership.”
          >”disrespecting the freedom that the original software represents.”
          Again, no loss of freedom-to-choose has occurred.
          The word freedom is used a lot these days. and sometimes inappropriately. The scope of meaning and use of the word freedom needs to be fleshed out.

        • NewWorldStoner

          You have a very distorted view of what free software is – Primarily, it has nothing to do with the price of the software. It’s not about ownership or copyright of the software either.

          My point here is solely that it is unethical to take advantage of free software without respecting the principles of free software, as is the case here.

          It is clear that you do not fully understand the ideas behind free software and I don’t have time to write an essay for you, but I would recommend listening to some Richard Stallman talks to get a better understanding.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          the Gnu General Public License is what VLC is licensed under. It’s a free license to use, modify and innovate upon, PROVIDED THAT any such offerings based upon the source code are also licensed the same way, with open source code. Torrent Stream are violating thta agreement.

        • ForthWrite

          Agreement? Why would Torrent Stream agree to that?

          License? In
          other words they want to control how and by whom those bits are used.

          I’m sure they would like to have such control, but since intellectual
          property doesn’t exist, the concept and demand(s) of licensing have no
          solid foundation.

          It’s little different from copyright.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Let me start off by admitting, right out,t hat I know nothing about Torrent Stream, their goals, business model, or anything.

          What I do know about is the concept of Free Open Source Software (FOSS)

          The GPL (Gnu General Public License) is a free software license (and that’s “free”, as in “free speech”, not “free beer”) that is intended to encourage group, communal development and proliferation of the software code. All licenses are generally structured under the same basic concept of quid pro quo: as you take, so do you give forth, pay it forward, etc. It’s community minded. So if a piece of software code is given free to use and develop, then one using the code has to, if they change it or give it out, continue the same base concept of keeping it free to use and develop.

          Now, based on this knowledge, if it is true the Torrent Stream is based from the same source code as VLC, or if both products got their source code from the same place, then Torrent Stream has an obligation, both legal and moral, to continue the good spirit of sharing that allowed them to develop their product in the first place. To do otherwise is to go the way of the MAFIAA, and that way be tygers (and hypocrisy)

          It is a lot different from copyright, it’s actually copyleft. and there’s a good solid reason for it.

        • Who

          “There’s no such thing as intellectual property”
          ok then that would mean that I don’t EVER have to pay for another thing from a store again, or form any one for that matter. I can just take what I want from who ever I want with NO consequences.

        • guest

          “ok then that would mean that I don’t EVER have to pay for another thing
          from a store again, or form any one for that matter. I can just take
          what I want from who ever I want with NO consequences.”

          What does any of this have to do with intellectual property? You’re talking about physical property.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          You don’t have to pay a single cent for copying stuff you saw in a store.

          The same way you don’t pay wal-mart for baking your own oreos.

          Any further irrelevant comparisons you’d care to make or are you happy with the impression you’ve made so far?

        • ForthWrite

          If you missed don’t understand the significance of the modifier “intellectual”, then you should study more about it before interrupting when the big people are talking.

      • Den
  • Evropi

    Awesome! VLC MP is my choice of Media Player on both Linux and Windows. Libtorrent is brilliant too, it actually covers more of the BitTorrent protocol than BitTorrent Inc’s μTorrent, lol. It’s the engine in qBittorrent (http://www.qbittorrent.org/) by the way, you should check it out! Best BT program ever, and it’s based on the most excellent Qt library as the name suggests.

    Anywhow, I really wonder how BitTorrent media streaming works. Does it require everyone to have a copy of the file? Or does it, say, pull a video or whatever from multiple sources (as opposed to just one over HTTP)? I have yet to find a site that makes these available.

    Please explain to us how this works in practice, TorrentFreak! Thanks in advance.

  • schpel

    “It’s widely regarded as the best tool to play videos and audio in just about any format found anywhere on the web. When something can’t be played, VLC almost always provides the answer.”

    *coughs* 10-bit

    • http://blog.ssokolow.com ssokolow

      I think what they really mean is that it’s the most brain-free way to get an arbitrary media file to play.

      (It’s not “the tool for playing things best”, it’s “the best tool for playing just about any format on the first try”)

      I know, as a Linux user, I never bother with it. (The bare MPlayer `-vo xv` output window is much lighter, does everything I need, has a far less complicated UI, and has less of a history of crashing or bugging out on me)

  • Max

    holy cow!

    VLC torrent livestreaming is the next big thing xD

    • tripe

      need iPV6 multicast to be implemented properly with torrent clients
      There is streamtorrent, and it’s pretty shit at what it’s meant to do.
      At least iPV6 has the ability for proper multicast.
      We will have to wait to see.

  • sdf67sd

    I hope they don’t forget that seeding is needed…

    • http://twitter.com/x_rus_x Vitaliy Anonymous

      Exactly what I was thinking. Either the video would still be downloaded in the background (more permanent/better) or loaded in the RAM (temporary, removed after VLC is terminated).

    • bobmail

      Why? In the spirit of piracy, what they want is a system that takes, takes, takes… not one that gives. That would defeat the purpose. Seeding is like paying for something, why would they want to do that?

      • djnforce9

        If that was true, then every torrent would have tons of leechers on them and zero seeders. Also, the person who uploaded the file is “giving” more than ever since they have to be the initial seed and provide the data to everyone that hops on board. Also, while you continue to download, you are also uploading simultaneously (and therefore SHARING what data you do have with other people). Granted some people don’t continue to seed for long after their download is complete but there are plenty that do and some sites enforce this as a rule (namely private trackers).

        You would probably know this if you weren’t blinded by MAFFIA style anti-piracy propaganda where all sharing becomes monetization; a culture of “I control WHEN and WHERE you consume media”. That latest TV show not in your country? Too bad, wait three months and just maybe I will release it at three times the price the rest of world paid. Why? Because I can! Want to sing your child’s favourite song to them while strolling in the park? Too bad. You’re within earshot of the general public and have to pay me ludicrous public performance licensing fees!!!

      • tripe

        Warped view of the internet you have there.
        The internet is a file sharing network.
        Sharing !
        Did you get that bit ?
        The internet is a file sharing network.

        Share share share not “take take take”, dumbass.

        • pablo

          the internet is a network of computers networked together dumbass nothing in the faq’s of the internet says anything about sharing.dumbass

        • BuddhaFacePalmed

          The Internet was designed to SHARE KNOWLEDGE, not HOARD. Read up the true history of the Internet, not the one perpetrated by the United States of “We invented everything” America

        • pablo

          The internet is not designed to share,its designed to communicate with other devices.ftp is designed for example to share files and and so is bit torrent etc and people only use bit torrent
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_the_Internet

          I think i will join netflixamazon/itunes and ask them to share all their goodies lol

        • djnforce9

          Sharing information is one of the primary uses of the Internet! Otherwise, there would be no websites to visit or any data to access online. You can view this site because someone took their time and resources and put it into establishing the page and its content. That
          sounds like “sharing information” to me. Not sure how else you expected the infrastructure to be used.

          Oh wait! You probably believe that everyone should be charged a licensing fee for every single website they visit too right? Like I said in my post below, pro-MAFIAA seem to want EVERYTHING monetized but that isn’t going to happen and there is nothing you can or will do about it.

          In terms of Netflix and iTunes, With Netflix, you are paying for the bandwidth required to stream the content to you as well as the licensing required to watch it from that site, and funding the staff that run the operations as well. In the case of iTunes, you are buying the album and also paying for the luxury of having your music retrievable at any time. Should you lose your only copy of the album, you can fetch another from the iTunes store at no extra cost. CDBaby does this too and it’s great. Other digital stores like bandcamp DO NOT and will gladly charge you to retrieve an album you bought but then lost somewhere (and that sucks so I avoid that store whenever possible).

        • tripe

          [Pablo]

          [statement Pablo]

          [contradictory statement Pablo]

          [contradictory Pablo]

          [Pablo ....... (LRN2Defination) ]

          “”The internet is not designed to share,

          its designed to communicate “”

          And please Pablo….

          Don’t share your thoughts anymore !

        • ProGrasTiNation

          Is communication not a sharing of thoughts?

          The internet is for sharing…..sharing of words sounds images movies art & most importantly Knowledge..

          Get with the good a side of your heart man.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Too true. The copyright maximalists do seem to be looking at a world through a religious filter even thicker than that of creationists and the “intelligent design”-people.

        • noname

          And when you communicate with someone your sharing information with them.

        • UraPhake

          Two things which require your immediate attention:

          1) – There is a “Share” button under the posts here — yours included.

          2) – Titties (like the Internet) are designed for more than just feeding an infant.

          By your dry-as-bone terms, “FTP” might as well mean “Feed The Pablocito” but not “For The Phun”.

          I’m just “sharing” my opinion here, okay? Why? Because I care and everyone knows that “sharing is caring.”

        • http://twitter.com/Joseph_Kes Joseph Kesisoglou

          In the name of Tim Berners-Lee… Are you familiar with the term packet switching? Communicating through the Internet means that computers exchange packets. These packets hold data… food for thought.

        • tripe

          hey pablo …. you do know that without sharing a single packet, the internet doesn’t exist.

          How damn retarded are you ?

          The internet is a FILE SHARING network…. literally

          Every time you visit a site, you send and receive packets. ( SHARE information )

          Without sharing, there IS NO INTERNET.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        In short what you are trying to explain here is that the bittorrent protocol does not work and that piracy does not exist.

        Bobmail, the clown of many wonders. Do you do the bucket-and-ladder routine as well?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zak-Kirkpatrick/22906930 Zak Kirkpatrick

      All comments below neglect the following:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc

  • Charly

    They also start a legal fight in france in order to de decode BluRay.

    http://www.pcinpact.com/news/77459-vlc-hadopi-et-drm-sans-clefs-quelle-interoperabilite.htm

    • Guest

      Good luck with that!

      Blu-ray = Sony = MAFIAA = Internet censorship

      • Christopher Kidwell

        Actually, they have a good chance at getting the Blu-Ray DRM nixed in France. Really, DRM of ANY form should be illegal because it only punishes paying customers.

        Now, going after people who sell pirated copies of movies, music and games? That I can get behind and support.

  • Guest

    Love VLC Player on Linux.

  • JerkfaceMcGee

    Best of luck to VLC. Obviously they’ll have to download the blocks chronologically in order as opposed to the fastest downloaded, as some blocks of data will be better seeded than others.

    Also, for however VLC decides to proceed, the people who theoretically download media files via BitTorrent protocol should by default seed back for at least the length of the completed file. It’s just my opinion, though.

    • noname

      That usually how this kind of thing works, but maybe VLC could do a little better by caching and seeding the data for a half-hour or until the user closes the player, whichever comes first.

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  • dlovin123

    That would be cool, but I tend to download all my movies over night while I sleep and watch them at a later date.

    The thought of a streaming torrent just seems to be a major lag fest, both on the hard-drive trying to save and replay the data and upload at the same time.

    Probably why nobody has been able to deliver anything worthy so far.. it’s not practical.

    • Mint

      Well , its mostly for people with good internet speeds ..and most nations are picking up with the pace …

      So if not now , you’ll find it useful when you do have that kind internet speed …

      • Who

        ya IF you got the cash to pay the ISP for that. mine charges $100 per month for 10mb

        • http://www.facebook.com/jon7272 Jon Holliday

          assuming you can get 10mb thats max im getting 3.5mb max

      • snake0

        At that point you wouldn’t even need BitTorrent anymore… you can already stream most TV and movies in HQ from a number of websites. BitTorrent forces you to wait until the download is finished before you can watch. Just let it die already. Direct http streaming is the future.

        • Bloaxor

          Ellipses… The best sign of having a great point…
          You should stop… It makes your point look bad… Really.

          I also didn’t know direct HTTP streaming could run on shared bandwidth by being peer-to-peer and without the concrete need for a server.

    • Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed. You would probably need an SSD to make this worthwhile and at least 10Mb speeds.

    • 7th_Guest

      >[...]

      The thought of a streaming torrent just seems to be a major lag fest,
      both on the hard-drive trying to save and replay the data and upload at
      the same time.

      Probably why nobody has been able to deliver anything worthy so far.. it’s not practical.

      Oh gimme a break, dude! We were downloading CD-sized DVDRips and previewing the quality at the same time back in fokn 2004 and that was in the days of KaZaa and AVIPreview+. You mean to tell me you honestly believe that today’s average PC that should be 32 times faster in every hardware regard and with DSL n’ cable connections prevalent throughout most of the modern interconnected world couldn’t handle the same job? Seriously?

      Nah, to me the only question here about any budding media player sourcing its content directly from BT swarms isn’t one of feasibility, but one of ethics: will it espouse pro-community values and share back to a fair ratio or, once released, will the BT swarms get plagued by a new tier of leeching locusts?

      • Rekrul

        Try to download something that’s older than a year. Assuming that it even has seeds, it will probably download at about 10K/s. Is that feasible for streaming?

  • anonymous

    add in the ability to play Blu-Ray discs and files as well and this would be the most awesome player out there

    • Anyone

      those codecs cost money

      so they can’t put them in in a free program

      • Christopher Kidwell

        Funny, MPC-HC does. I believe that the codecs are ‘royalty-free’ when used for non-profit purposes.

        • CameronN

          He means Free, as in you have the source code, can modify the source
          code, and can redistribute the source code, not free as in non-profit.

      • Who

        you mean to tell ever one that you buy your codecs? LOL

        • http://www.facebook.com/jon7272 Jon Holliday

          like most people thye download the pro versions of all media players and see wich one is the best my fav is splash player pro it worked with everything so i paid for it i liked it because of dolby true 7.1 and master audio and 3d blue ray rips

  • Asashii Fustazi

    its OK if you need a substandard player, that doesnt need alot of config and such, but compared to say MPC-HC with core AVC and such running VLC looks grainy. if that what you like than VLC if for U!!!

    • Who

      do you know Y VLC playback looks grainy? its because it plays the video back correctly. the studios add grain to EVERY film they produce. the ONLY way to remove it is to use a player that De-noises the movie or a encoder that can do it such as ripbot 264.
      the reason Y they do this is usually to cover up some fuck up on there part or something they just can’t fix during a remaster.

    • Guest321

      Even the color rendition of MPC-HC with madVR is vastly superior to VLC.

  • sean543

    can vlc player play 10-bit yet?
    does it have madvr?

    • Anon

      Can you computer display 30-bit color usefully yet? In 99% of cases, the answer is simply “no”. Buy a VLC developer a rig with a true 100% 30-bit color path and you’ll see 10-bit support in weeks. (n.b. including monitor – remember you’re still slightly lucky if your LCD screen isn’t lying about even being 24-bit, a lot of the cheaper ones are still 18-bit really but accepting 24-bit data – though a lot of people don’t notice. and 24->30-bit color is even less of a win, relatively, it’s really quite subtle compared to 18->24). There are some arguable advantages to 10-bit encoding even with 24-bit color display, but they’re very, very minor, the only real purpose of 10-bit encoding is to work on native 30-bit displays. That’s it. There are also disadvantages – unlike 24-bit, 30-bit isn’t 8-bit byte aligned. It’s more awkward and unnatural for a conventional byte-addressed computer to work with generally: while it’s true both 24-bit and 30-bit color fit in one 32-bit word, non-GPU architectures don’t usually have single instructions for 10-bit manipulations of subsets of 32-bit values like they do for the 8-bit subsets, plus 30-bit leaves no room for a decent sized alpha channel, whereas 24-bit color plus 8-bit alpha i.e. RGBA fits very neatly into a 32-bit value. 30-bit is really a bit of a gimmick. A lot of the time, the show-off videos you see in stores are just plain newer, and would look better on a 24-bit display too.

      The next big jump isn’t until hardware moves to single-precision floating-point data for true HDR or something, 30-bit is essentially marketing.

      • Who

        he wasn’t talking about color support. he meant 10bit encoded clips vs 8bit witch is the current slandered atm.

    • Who

      yep just make sure you have a current version.

  • NewWorldStoner

    For every action taken by copyright cartels to prevent file-sharing, there is an equal and opposite reaction in the open-source software community to propagate file-sharing.

    • 7th_Guest

      “Equal and opposite reaction” to copyright maximalists’ civil/consumer rights encroachment? Please, that’s some Old World, Newtonian weak tea there, son. Try “massive and dwarfing backlash” by the FOSS community for size instead. Global file sharing of knowledge and culture evolves by quantum leaps all over the place, quirky, strange and totally unpredictable in its expression and that’s just the way we like it ;). Its methods might as well be indistinguishable from magic to their withered, grey heads.

      • NewWorldStoner

        Well it was meant as a parody, but I agree with you. However in your technical correction my pseudo-scientific statement, you said “Global file sharing of knowledge and culture evolves by quantum leaps”, when a quantum leap is in fact smaller than a single atom…

        • UraPhake

          I thought it was an old TV show about time travel.

          j/k – you’re correct of course.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Actually…

          “quantum [ˈkwɒntəm]

          n pl -ta [-tə]

          1. (Physics / Atomic Physics) Physics

          a. the smallest quantity of some physical property, such as energy, that a system can possess according to the quantum theory

          b. a particle with such a unit of energy

          2. amount or quantity, esp a specific amount

          3. (often used with a negative) the least possible amount that can suffice there is not a quantum of evidence for your accusation

          4. something that can be quantified or measured

          5. (modifier) loosely, sudden, spectacular, or vitally important a quantum improvement

          [from Latin quantus (adj) how much]“

          Obviously, “quantum leap” means definition 5. Though by using definition 3 we could be skirting the planck length at which point the measurement unit becomes useful as a comparison on how far proprietary industry progresses in the same time the open source sector takes to make a large stride.

        • NewWorldStoner

          A “quantum leap” is a scientific term to describe the instantaneous movement of an electron in an atom, from one orbit to another. Hence a quantum leap is smaller than a single atom.

  • anon

    Sounds good i guess? I’ll stick to MPC-HC + Lav + madVR though.

    • http://thepiratebay.se/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

      Media Player Classic HC that comes with K-Lite codec pack kicks VLC’s candy ass and is better then VLC……. SAD but TRUE

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        newp.

        VLC = FOSS and requires no codec plugins = SUPREREEYORE.

      • Guest321

        Why thumb him down guys? Those who have used both know its true. MPC-HC with EVR Custom or madVR is streets better in every aspect than VLC.

        VLC is mainly for convenience, no installation, no hassle, all in-one-package media player. Its unbeatable in that regards but it certainly doesn’t deliver the best quality.

      • XBMC or MPC HC or VLC

        Why would you need all of that when XBMC has everything you need? I guess if you want to do things yourself than go for it.

        • Guest321

          XBMC is meant for HTPCs where people might not have a mouse and hence a simple interface is needed that can be controlled with a remote.

          Unless you are a noob, there is no reason to use XBMC on a desktop. It’s way too limited and annoying to use compared to a standard media player.

    • Prophet Zarquon

      MPC is nice but it doesn’t (and is not intended to) offer the end-to-end video solution that VLC does.

      Not only is VLC an easy one-stop solution for Grandpas to play files without understanding codecs, it’s also got powerful real-time video tools like a Video Wall filter, bi-directional streaming support, remote control, etc all built in.

      I use MPC 90% of the time. When I need to do something fancy, I use VLC.

  • Guest

    I prefer more sophisticated players and the applications and benefits of streaming content are very limited and almost trivial when downloading and watching the thing is also an option but more features never hurt anyone, cool.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jon7272 Jon Holliday

      true i use splash player pro good for all the hd sound formats and bluray and good for 3d movies good luck getting vlc to play 3d movies

  • Ithinkweallcanagree

    Day in the life of a TF TROLL

    1.Sit on computer and wait for Torrentfreak to release new blog post.

    2. writes what he believes to be a believable on-topic opinion or whatever he deludes himself into believing.

    3.waits for answer

    4. responds with witty trollish sarcasm.

    5. one individual responds with logic against his fallacies.

    6. sees he cannot win with logic so he uses profane language and insults individual in which he is talking to. he starts hurling childish insults.

    7.eventually he feels like he can’t win so he RAGE QUITS from the current post and quits posting on it.

    8.Repeat.
    I think we all know who Im talking about.

    • Noon

      Can you tell me who he is? I’ve not been here for almost a year.

      Still remember Reasoned Mind, neostyle, Jack Murdock, Anon… plus an assortment of others… Good old days :D

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Today they’re calling themselves “bobmail”, looks like. “Anon” went off the deep end when he admitted that fascism was fine if it got him what he wanted.

        “bobmail” still skirts the issue but by now the dissonance is making him contort like a chinese gymnast all over the forum.

        There is also “SoundnuoS” who tries to appear reasonable while pushing the same core message. Too early to say whether he’s a previous TF-troll reincarnate.

        • icec0ld

          I miss the old Anon. Much fun had in picking him apart. Bob leaves me scratching my head way too often have any real fun sometimes :(

        • bobmail

          “”bobmail” still skirts the issue but by now the dissonance is making him contort like a chinese gymnast all over the forum.”

          No issues skirted. You may not like the answers, they may not conform to your world view, but the answers are all there.

          It’s just too bad that you choose to discuss “trolling” (a word used in many places to identify people who don’t agree with you), rather than the story.

          Sort of makes you and a few others into the trolls, don’t you think?

        • icec0ld

          You’ve focused on and fabricated outright lies in the past with a fairly transparent attempt to “rile” up pro filer sharers on a pro file sharing site, usually posting something inflammatory, made up or excruciatingly ignorant. I’d call that “trolling”.

          If it isn’t deliberate, we’ve been giving you far, far too much credit.

        • UraPhake

          Oh, and let us not forget that when it becomes obvious that he doesn’t really understand the technology he will simply drop the name of “Kevin Mitnick” as though it is some sort of magic spell which will make us all “Ooh!” and “Aah!”

          Do I have that right Bob?

        • tripe

          nejtillpirater is that you ?
          I heard you got the bawhammer…. along with Anon.

          Anyway… weak trolls are fucking weak.
          You just sound like a retard shitposting / shittrolling.

          Everything warped for your agenda.
          Claiming you have no agenda.
          Just want justice.
          Claim we pirates have an agenda.
          We just want free stuff.

          Physical reality sucks for an antipirate.
          Copied endlessly at zero cost equals worthless.
          That’s just damn PHYSICAL reality.

          BTW… Our only agenda is to stop your agenda of limiting and punishing people who live in reality.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          No, Nejtillpirater appears to have gone back to sulk on his own forum. Apparently, it’s a favourite read of many pirates who spend their time laughing at his antics.

        • Ardvaark

          “No issues skirted. You may not like the answers, they may not conform to your world view, but the answers are all there.”

          Pretty much the same on this side except we take our time to justify ourselves with real data, and make our point across based on that. Most of the times though, when you’re proven wrong, you don’t even care to respond back and on the rare occasion you do you just resort to insults, ad hominems or pure rubbish.

          I guess the other big chunk where you don’t respond you’re indeed contorting like a Chinese gymnast it must be hard to type like that.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “No issues skirted.”

          As in “I don’t have to explain to anyone who actually calls me on my bullshit”? To date you have actually decided to skirt every issue on which you felt compelled to comment but was met by a storm of factual refutal.

          Oh, wait…that was when you actually stopped trying and settled for calling people bad names instead of even trying to counter verifiable facts?

          You may not like the answers, they may not conform to your world view, but the answers are all there…”

          If by that you mean recorded history and the world I see when I look out the window, then yes. The Answers are all there.

          Which still doesn’t answer why every time you feel inclined to comment, you deny at least one obviously verifiable fact. Or spend half a thread ranting about how a game developer is playing us when said developer proves to be an active participant in the thread.

          “It’s just too bad that you choose to discuss “trolling” (a word used in many places to identify people who don’t agree with you), rather than the story.”

          That may be because every time we discuss a story, you decide to troll. As in the dictionary definition of “trolling” which roughly means you spend your time here on TF mainly lying through your teeth about every issue in which you choose to comment.

          “Sort of makes you and a few others into the trolls…”

          Now if the definition “A troll is someone who does not agree with you” were true, then for you that might be true.

          The rest of us go by the definition that someone who spends their time lying on a forum board is the troll. And that, to everyone around here, would be none other than your own low self.

          Either that, or you’d have to be pegged as clinically insane. Care to be reminded just how many times by now you have been caught lying up front, even about issues where you’ve previously held an opposite view?

          But by all means keep it up, bobmail. By this time you offer even more entertainment than our sadly departed “Anon”. And for much the same reasons.

          It’s especially amusing when you try to claim you know a topic well – such as IT – with a smattering of googled knowledge and no understanding, while standing in a forum packed to the rafters with tech geeks.

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          For what it’s worth, bobmail has a point, inadvertently.

          A troll is anyone who posts with the intent of gaining responses to their posts.

          In that, of course, many of us are trolls. Disqus encourages it with the newer layout. reddit is pretty much based around it.

          But bobmail excels at it.

        • Ardvaark

          And you’ll find that there’s Bobmail (which is a registered account unused for a couple of monthes) and bobmail.

          I’m still convinced that the 2nd bobmail is just some new troll or anon with a new name when he got pissed with random people taking his name.

    • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

      have you been reading my diary?

  • taz

    use potplayer and windows media player classic only.

  • Den
  • cA

    This is already done.. it’s called ACE Stream and works well (formerly Torrent Stream)

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  • http://pogue972.blogspot.com/ pogue972

    As long as this doesn’t turn VLC into bloatware I’m all for it. Or make it an optional addon that can be downloaded from their website.

    I don’t want to see VLC turn into Realplayer or WMP, and I also don’t want to see the MAFIAA go after my favorite media player.

  • John Bitme

    Where were those high standards when they developed the UI for VLC Mac?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      I think they must have said “Ah, ok, let’s just make a best-effort to fit it with the mac. The Apple jerks would use Jobsware even if it forced them to live a high-voltage circuit with their testes every time they tried to start it.”

      Sadly, not an unusual reaction of many FOSS-people to the proprietary mechanics of the Apple family.

  • Sunk818

    If the BitTorrent client can’t get streaming right, I doubt vlc will. For stream viewing, you really need something that can transcode lower quality video in real time when the peer or bandwidth is lacking. Vlc and BitTorrent is a poor fit. BitTorrent is working on a live stream protocol which is better suited I think.

    • Guest321

      There are certainly challenges. That’s why its so hard to get it exactly right. A torrent is divided into huge number of pieces which are usually downloaded in random order but for streaming they need to downloaded in sequential order and the problem is not all pieces are seeded equally well at any given point in time. The seed to peer ratio might change during streaming which might adversely affect streaming.

      People will slower connections is another problem. Real time transcoding to lower bitrate is needed for them. But how is that possible? There is no central server in case of bittorrent that will transcode to lower quality and stream to the client. Does that mean the distributed processing power of all seeders’ PCs will be used for that purpose? Nobody will seed if a torrent client starts to hog their CPU for no reason lol.

  • Soir

    It’s widely regarded as the best tool to play videos and audio in just about any format found anywhere on the web.
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    *wheeze*
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *gasp*

    What the fuck am I reading.

  • KLite Mega Codec Pack

    I made a suggestion to VLC years ago. Allow users to do a “pause” by clicking anywhere on the screen. They never listen, they’ll rather suck. I’m sticking to KLite

  • jdjdjdjd

    Splash player way better then Vlc. Using mad vr people say its great not really. Do a side by side with splash player. Everything else is garbage including madvr. Watch movies 60fps and crisp definition and has nice color enhancer.

  • tatsujin

    are you fucking kidding me? VLC is one of the WORST players and ignorant people don’t know about this.

    Media Classic Player, which comes with CCCP (google it) is THE BEST possible codecs and player. VLC is terrible at playing MKV and MP4 files. What more, it eats resources like a fat pig.

    Do some research man.

    • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

      then why are 199,674 people downloading VLC every week from one popular site alone? vlc plays everything you throw at it. it may not be the best, but then that is only personal preference. thank you for educating us “ignoramusses” all the same

      • Anonymous

        Hype and ease of use for “ignoramusses”
        .
        VLC uses libavcodec for playback (which is good and gives it that “plays everything” edge) but adds an incredible layer of bloat (seriously, on my netbook it had problems with files that ran brilliantly in mplayer). Also, its muxers were kinda bad back when I played with it. I’m not sure if they are better today, though. Do also note that I am an mplayer(2) fanboy so your mileage may vary on how biased I am :)

        As for CCCP and MPC, I used it when I still had contact with Windows and quite liked it, but its reliance on Win codecs may lead to conflicts. It’s also Windoze-only, so yeah.

    • Anyone

      VLC is the best player if you want hassle free playback

      I personally use MPC-HC as well, but VLC is installed for those files where I might lack a codec

    • Guest

      On Linux, if you have a Nvidia card, you use MPlayer with VDPAU and it’s amazing.

    • quality

      +1
      VLC is just crap, and since the v.2.x more than ever!
      Anyone could check this with a .mkv
      Everything runs on it, but so badly…media player for noobs only.

  • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

    foo and videolan are my two of choice. i just hope they don’t fuck it up like they did with u-torrent. if they do i’ll stick with the old version and put up with any bugs that emerge. nice idea though, seeding? if that was addressed the hitters and runners would be pissed

  • John Doe

    Doesn’t the tribler client do this already?

  • RCW177

    Haha, try to reinvent the wheel. There’s already Torrent Video Player.

    http://codecpack.co/download/Torrent-Video-Player.html

  • 458849

    Zoom Player and MPC-HC > VLC.
    I never understood why people use the VLC player.

  • Seed?

    Yeah I am thinking about the same thing: What about seeding? How will that be managed?

    If you copy/past a magnet into VLC, watch da movie and then close VLC, we can safely guess that the seeding time will amount of the length of the movie.

    I am afraid this will hurt the bittorrent community.

    After all, bittorent is a sharing protocol and VLC is a media player.

    They talk about merging both world… so then VLC would also have to take care of all the sharing process, and not just the streaming.

    So yeah, no. I vote no.

    It would be IHMO smarter to integrate a media player into a bittorent client, which (I believe) has already be done.

    And I am not even talking about private trackers n stuff…

    • Guest321

      I am worried about that too. For most people upload speed is way slower than download. By the time a person finishes watching a movie, they will have probably seeded to a ratio of 0.2 only. We all know VLC will be closed as soon as the movie is over. People don’t leave their media players open all day long. Public trackers will become a heaven for hit n runners if it isn’t already the case.

    • bobmail

      I am guessing there will be zero seeding, or it would only be turned on by option. Seeding is not really compatible with streaming at all.

      It looks more like VLC is seeing a happy way to turn their product into a layer over torrents, such that the masses don’t have to get their hands dirty. Declining to seed would be a perfect way to limit the liability of their customers.

      Think “web appliance” and you are getting the right idea.

      • Guest321

        Why are you concerned Bobby? You never use torrents, so this shouldn’t affect you. You are a model citizen, always sucking up to your corporate paymasters.

        I’m sure VLC will figure out a way to take care of the seeding aspect or else the project will fail. People will start blocking peers with VLC clients just like they did with BitComet.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “Seeding is not really compatible with streaming at all.”

        In what way or manner would streaming be incompatible with the general bittorrent protocol?

        Go on, bobmail – I invite you astonish us all with the technical and fully covering explanation to that casually dropped and powerful statement.

        Or will you – apparently for the first time, according to what you said earlier – skirt the issue instead?

        Or could it be that as usual you don’t have a fucking clue what you just said but felt compelled to make a show of sounding as if you did. Just like you usually do a few minutes before you get epically smacked down?

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  • frexer

    Nice

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  • dwpbike

    good deal. movie2k needs the competition and i need the chance for some variety – action movies 24/7 gets old

  • Cold_Turkey

    Sorry but hasn’t this been happening since uTorrent introduced the .btstream protocol and uTP? I’ve been using VLC (albeit indirectly) to stream movies and videos over torrent for at least the last year (likely two). I’m not sure how VLC can implement this directly without utilising .btstream themselves, essentially becoming a torrent client. Any experts care to clarify?

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  • http://twitter.com/Owen_SCFC77 Mark Owen

    You already can stream torrents with it, or a slightly different build of it from here

    http://torrentstream.org/

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  • orely

    So for you communication is not the same as sharing? Something who can be sent an received is not considered as sharing? don’t u send/receive packets? :P

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  • http://twitter.com/Joseph_Kes Joseph Kesisoglou

    Well, apart from any technical issues with this idea, if any… could this move associate VLC with BitTorrent in the eyes of anti-piracy outfits? What could that mean for the future of our beloved media player. Just a thought. I am not trying to scare anyone.

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  • Prophet Zarquon

    Hopefully CCNx will move forward, bringing us a (Content Centric) Named Data Network that will allow Browsers and Media Players to locate and cooperatively stream files based on content rather than location.

    Servers are so 20th Century.
    The Cloud should not depend entirely on servers.
    Peer distribution that avoids TCP/UTP overhead is definitely the way media will disseminate in the near future. Why search a web site to find a link to stream a file, when the peer cloud can be searched directly at the network layer and locate the file on any/all peers based upon it’s packet and file hashes?

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