P2P Researchers Fear BitTorrent Meltdown
Written by Ernesto on February 12, 2009BitTorrent is often praised as an indestructible force moving petabytes of data around every day. It does have an Achilles’ heel though, and prominent p2p researchers warn that millions of downloads will come to a halt if eight servers hosted in Sweden happen to go offline.
Research by Raynor Vliegendhart of the Tribler P2P team at Delft University of Technology has shown that BitTorrent is more vulnerable to a global collapse than anyone has ever predicted. By collecting statistics of a sample of 283,032 torrents with 52,634,797 connected peers, he found that over 50% of all torrents were tracked by The Pirate Bay.
In order to get an accurate estimate of the tracker load a single person connected to three torrents is counted as three peers. In the picture below, we see that roughly 5 million peers are connected to a torrent that uses only The Pirate Bay (single). Another 5 million have more trackers in the announce list, but use The Pirate Bay as the primary tracker. For the remaining torrents The Pirate Bay was added as an additional (foreign) tracker.
Top 20 BitTorrent Trackers (large)
The Pirate Bay is by far the largest BitTorrent tracker, followed at a distance by Sumotracker, Torrent.to and Torrentbox respectively. Unfortunately, this dominant position can result in a horror scenario if the Pirate Bay tracker fails.
Raynor told TorrentFreak that if The Pirate Bay goes down, many of the other trackers might collapse as well. “If The Pirate Bay goes down the load will automatically shift to others. This is because most of the Pirate Bay swarms also include other trackers. When Pirate Bay goes down it would overload others until they fall also. Meaning even more stress and further casualties. This is likely to end in a BitTorrent meltdown.”
So what’s the alternative? How can we fix this vulnerability? The obvious option is to rely less on the Pirate Bay’s trackers, but this is easier said than done. Although there are thousands of smaller trackers on the Internet, it has proven to be hard to convince people to actually use these.
Perhaps we should find an alternative for the traditional BitTorrent tracker then? A truly decentralized form of filesharing, that doesn’t rely on the philanthropy of three Swedish guys? Attempts have been made to decentralize trackers, and most of the major BitTorrent clients support “trackerless” torrents through DHT.
DHT is not the silver bullet though, as it is lacking in speed and efficiency according to Tribler founder Johan Pouwelse, and the mainline Bittorrent client “has a faulty DHT implementation and many people will be left in the cold”. Researchers of Tribler found several DHT flaws. One bug in a DHT sorting routine ensures that it can only “stumble upon success”, meaning torrent downloads will not start in seconds or minutes if Pirate Bay goes down in flames.
“The DHT concept is proven to be broken and just invites DDoS attacks,” Pouwelse added. “People have proposed repairs to the DHT, but only at the cost of too much performance or global trusted servers.”
Dr. Pouwelse says that there have been ideas to deal with BitTorrent’s Achilles’ heel, but none of these have materialized. This summer Raynor hopes to have an operational solution in their Tribler BitTorrent client. They think the trick is to include the SQLite database engine in every Tribler client. This enables abuse prevention and fast starts, however this complex task could be delayed until Christmas (of some year to come).
So is BitTorrent going to die? No, not by a long shot. However, this research does point out that the ecosystem depends on The Pirate Bay. If their trackers go down for whatever reason, others are likely to collapse because of the increasing load and many torrent download will slow down significantly or stop entirely. So please direct your prayers to trackers around the world. May they function in peace and prosperity.
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97 Responses
First..? Nice…
Interesting post TF….
Well done!
“283,032″ torrents? Pffft… I could care less. You can probably cut that number by a 1/4 for duplicates anyhow.
Seeing as I use Usenet for most of my scene downloads and all the content I do get off Bittorrent is from private trackers – I could care less.
I must point out Ben Jones of this blog said private trackers are a “hack that doesn’t work very well” – what an idiotic comment that is in light of this eh?
What.cd … 400,000 music torrents.
RevoTT … 50,000 general scene torrents (no duplicates)
I could go on…
Really, it aint going to be the end of the world (or BT) if TPB goes down people. Actually, it may even be a good thing to many.
Wow, never a good thing when you have all the eggs in one basket.
NubCakes is the coolest person ever.
RevoTT … 50,000 ???????????
Why you are lying lol ???
RevTT have only 17,000 torrents with 5-10 seeder/leecher lol
RevTT sucks big time.
Wow, then again we will still have Mininova (NL). I like TPB, some people don’t it could be a bad or good thing
torrentino.info
just look what happen to oink! after it fell with in a week there were/are two great trackers that popped up. the same will happen here.
but I’m glad I belong to some decent private trackers that have nothing to do with any server in Sweden what so ever.
Actually if you counted malware, 2 minute pron clips and general crappy content (DVDs made with 2 click apps etc) you could probaly cut that number of torrent by 1/3 or more.
Er… yes, RevoTT 17,000. True that, got carried away :P.
But whatever, it’s still much faster than TPB on average (better SLR) and has mostly scene content with no dupes, malware etc.
@NubCakes, opinions of individual authors do not necessarily reflect the opinions of TorrentFreak.com.
And yes, private trackers are great, but that’s not the point of the article :)Some people prefer to use public trackers, and they have the right to do so.
It might put the rest of the trackers on some stress for a little, but if this stress is really long-term, then either they will upgrade or some more trackers will come. Of course, this is if TPB falls permanently, and that will not happen. This will not happen if it is only temporary, as TPB has on many occasions been temporarily unavailable, due to power outages and whatnot.
@6
Yes, two more appeared and everything was fine. However, as clearly explained, if servers tracking 50+% of all traffic suddenly get taken offline, the overs will feel the load instantly, many will not be able to handle it and will also fall.
We’ve watched it happen before, yet never with this big of a model. You’re looking at a force that could take almost all bittorrent communications offline for a few days, within a few hours (if not less) of the pirate bay’s trackers being taken offline.
If they lose, and the site is to be removed (for now, as we all know there are backups worldwide) expect to see other trackers at your local best buy or computer store at 2am buying servers and extra hardware. I wouldnt be surprised to find that other trackers hosted in sweden would be taken offline because of the case (if they lost) even if only long enough to switch countries.
Take the extra load, and the lack of trackers hosted in sweden, and youve got a problem to deal with.
from my experience the DHT + peer exchange is quite good at finding a nice swarm, when demonoid was down i resurrected a few torrents by adding another tracker to the list. an other problem is getting the actual torrent files.
@Ghost: You sir, are a baboon.
That is all
@dafunks
Care to expand on that? I might agree with you if you can make enough correct points to turn my thoughts.
I’m interpreting this quite differently. By my understanding of BitTorrent tech (which, admittedly, is mostly from osmosis by reading sites like this), I can’t see the DDoS-ish effects this article is predicting coming from a collapse of TPB.
I think that the graph, while it impressively illustrates just how much bigger TPB’s tracker is in comparison to others, is being interpreted wrongly.
The assumption seems to be that if TPB goes offline, all the traffic it formerly received would be shifted to other trackers. With this view, it does look like a disaster scenario, but I think the graph is being misinterpreted.
The way that the statistics appear to be compiled is that some multiple-tracker torrents are counted multiple times. For example, a torrent with Dattebayo, TPB, and Sumotorrent as its trackers would count as a primary torrent for DB and a foreign for both TPB and ST.
If you look at the graph like that, the scenario doesn’t look so immediately grim.
2/3rds of TPB’s torrents have TPB as a secondary tracker, meaning that the torrent should already be announcing itself to the first tracker (and the other trackers in the list, if any). Removing TPB from these torrents shouldn’t affect the traffic load on the other trackers by much, or at all.
1/6th of TPB torrents have TPB as the primary tracker. Removing TPB would put more load on the secondary trackers, depending on how the numbers are distributed among the other trackers, there probably won’t be a catastrophic overload.
The remaining 1/6th has TPB as the only tracker. These torrents will have no immediate effect on other trackers, at least until (if) the tracker URLs are rewritten.
If my reasoning is wrong, I’m interested in knowing why.
What about napster, what alternatives were around when that came about? I honestly don’t know the answer.
If Piratebay goes down then surely others will take their place, hopefully to take the lessons, if any from their patriarchs.
To me the way to decrease this concentrate of torrents is to get large groups of trackers to make sure they are tracking the same content.
That way you provide redundancy if one goes down whilst also providing the wealth of files available
@16
Thats all great on paper, but keep in mind that theres the “people factor” as well. Because people probably wont be using torrents they got from TPB if the sites down (as most people download and finsh, then delete the torrent file), they will have to find other sites to download from.
This means an increase in users on Mininova for example. An increas of people on private trackers and sites as well. Even LimeWire should see a surge in users. After all, youve got 25 million people looking for other trackers to use and other sites to download torrents from.
Its not just about balencing the trackers, although that plays a key part. Its also about how much bandwidth the users browsing torrent downloads sites will consume.
In the end, if trackers take the time to add extra hardware and such once the trial is getting close to an end, all of this could be avoided. However, how many will actually do this? That is what will be tested here, assuming its an issue at all.
@#18 Ghost
The data and conclusion of the article only covers the trackers, not the websites. I was challenging the conclusion about what would happen to the tracker.
Certainly taking down TPB’s website would create a redistribution of users that could DDoS other torrent sites offline, but the trackers should still be fine.
Without data about traffic and total capacity for the websites, it’s not possible to make a truly informed conclusion about the fate of the websites.
Nothing new. I’ve complained about this on this very blog in the past. This is also why the media people types are targeting TPB with lawsuits as well has spending hefty cash trying to influence Swedish law. In a battle between deep pocket lawyers and a bunch of sit-on-your-ass-jerking-off kids, who do you think will win?
@ Ghost
i dont think 25 million people surf tpb’s website most get there .torrent file else where, tpb is too messy
@Mark D.
Ah, misread completly, sorry.
However, seeing as we’ve seen other trackers report overloading before, when TPB was taken offline for three days, its not a bad idea to use that to guide our guesses.
In my view, I see this providing a possible answer using the data we have on hand. If there was more/less data provided, id have to rethink or reconsider my views. For me, there enough information, but im not 100% on how bittorrent works either, as ive only been using it for the better part of a year, still learning more everyday.
@18 Ghost, 19 Mark D.
To my knowledge, I think that the TPB website (although not the tracker) has on some occasions been temporarily unavailable. I do not think that the results put too much of a strain on other websites, although it might be because these temporary occasions were short. Perhaps the results would be different if the TPB website was unavailable for a longer period of time, like 2 weeks or so, but, of course, we have no relevant data here to make a judgment.
Seriously, is this some kind of bloody joke???
Anyone that thinks that TPB is holding THE torrent economy, let alone ONE, is so blind and stupid they might as well go back to limewire where they came from.
Anyone thats on any real sites or GOOD ones couldn’t care less if the TPB goes does down. Wont affect a single bloody thing on the sites that are actually good.
If the TPB goes down it only affects the people to stupid to be on sites that arent garbage.
@ Johnston
I believe it was a bunch of “jerk-off-kids” that started this whole P2P
thing, dragging deep pocket lawyers into it.
The lawers will always be a step behind.
Assymetrical Warfare Baby!
oh my…. :*(
@24 Gargamel
“Seriously, is this some kind of bloody joke???”
Actually, the report sounds more like an advertisement for Tribler.
See: “Research by Raynor Vliegendhart of the Tribler P2P team at Delft University of Technology has shown…”
Why are people saying “at least there is Mininova…”
Notice Mininova isn’t on the chart? Cuz it’s not a freakin’ tracker.
BT without trackers is like a car with no wheels. Mininova isn’t gonna help jack with the problem described here.
@28 Anonymous
Then again, a tracker is no good without the torrents. The good thing is that while the tracker must be centralized, the torrents do not have to be. A website like Mininova that hosts torrents could help distribute the traffic (of those looking for torrent files) in case The Pirate Bay website becomes unavailable, for example.
I don’t understand this article . why do we need to force continue using BT if the problem really occur . out there’s a lot of p2p software that not require server and anonymity .
@2, your a f-ag.
Instead of thinking how to replace The PirateBay, how about you support it and help it stay?
Shameless egoists.
UM you prefer to use public trackers do you?
WHY , is it the crap speed?
Is it the fakes?
Is it the logging of your ip you love.
Is it the increased risks of virii?
Is it the fact these public people cant get invited to private ones cause they have been caught cheating, lying or doing other things the private community won’t tolerate. Which is why the private ones are more organized , more supported with speed, and have far fewer problems.
Me thinks the latter, as if you can’t tell me that your in a private site i have to begin to wonder why.
TPB and demonoid type trackers are for the OLDER stuff ya might not get anywhere else but if you look hard enough you will find it privately.
Seems to me that the swarm concept that provides the robustness on the client side needs to be applied to the tracker side. Allow trackers to federate and exchange torrent information and load balance by redirecting clients to a less burdened tracker. Similar provision for fail over. This wouldn’t alter the value of the larger tracker’s visitor revenue, wouldn’t affect torrent file creation, and allow semi-anonymous fallback/loadshare trackers to be established by anyone.
“Is it the increased risks of virii?”
The chance of downloading viruses (yes, it’s not “virii”) is basically non existent unless you download from random sites rather than trusted sites and uploaders.
“Which is why the private ones are more organized , more supported with speed, and have far fewer problems.”
I find it very hard to keep a good ratio on private sites when there are 2000 seeds (half of them with 100 mbit connections) and 50 leeches on a torrent. Sure the speeds are great usually, but do the speeds really matter if you can’t download very much because you are worried about a bad ratio?
There are good and bad about both. Choose what you want and I’ll choose what I want :)
” @2, your a f-ag.
Oh? I’m homosexual because I don’t support TPB. The intelligence of the post can only get better from here right?
“Instead of thinking how to replace The PirateBay”
I don’t use it – I don’t care if anyone else does. So I’m don’t care if it’s there or not.
“how about you support it and help it stay?”
And what are you doing to “support” it then? I don’t think that if I started using it it would somehow be better supported.
“Shameless egoists.”
Um… explain that sir.
This is a great article. This means that they need to increase resiliency then, even at the expense of performance. Life may suck a little bit with a lower performing but high resiliency network, but it will suck a whole lot more if this group of nodes get taken out.
The best way to do this is to decentralize the network even more. That way it can take alot more punishment. The more centralized it is, the greater the risks for its collapse if hit hard. I admire the TPB guys, but they are adding brittleness to the system by becoming the largest tracker. If they get KOed, then we are fucked till the other trackers can support the load or until an even more decentralized system is created.
If you dont believe me, do the math.
“And there is a certain connection between “q” – which is the percentage of component interconnection – and “Q” which describes the probability of the whole system collapse.
* When the rate of component failure q is 11%, the probability Q(q) for total system collapse is 50%
* When q=25%, Q=81%
* When q=50%, Q=100%
So what does this formula tell us? In case the damage level of the components (q) within the system is 50%, the system will definitely stop functioning. There are simply no systems capable to withstand the malfunctioning of half of its components. In case q is 25%, there is still an 80% probability of its falling apart.”
We wont be torrenting happily if TPB goes down…
“This wouldn’t alter the value of the larger tracker’s visitor revenue, wouldn’t affect torrent file creation, and allow semi-anonymous fallback/loadshare trackers to be established by anyone.”
Bad idea IMHO.
Pfffffttt! Whatever…
@30 Anonymous
“why do we need to force continue using BT if the problem really occur”
This article is not about “force continue using BT.” Rather, it is about the possibility of a strain put on trackers if TPB goes down.
If TPB goes down then people go elsewhere. A minor speed-bump is all it would be. Simple.
@24
TPB isn’t garbage. Wish I could say the same about your mum.
the link is dead for viewing the large version of the photo
Many PPL who use tpb also use many other site so it just one of many site to host your torrent.
TPB will never go down because it didn’t go down last time and neither is this time.
Many of us prefer public because its convenient and the torrent last much longer due to higher user database.
Private torrent you have too many seeder and hardly anyone that leech so it kind of an overkill for seeding
Private=everyone tries to impress each other with ratio
Public=everyone tries to impress other with how much they leech
If napster,dc++,edonkey,kazaa was private most of us would never heard about it
since it so private, few would only know about it.
We will continue to use public as long as it work for us… to those who use private exclusively, you’re not sharing at all you’re trading files or bytes its not the same thing.
I will agree. Everything has an Achilles heel. It’s not surprising that The Pirate Bay happens to be that. The BT protocol probably won’t die off because of a possible event that TPB fails, mainly due to the hydro effect. I’m currently working on a download service that uses the bit torrent protocol. And I’m sure that if the pirate bay fails, users won’t just cease to use BT. That would be stupid. If ford and GM stop making cars, will you stop driving? No, you’ll just purchase a different car. In this case, you’ll just use a different tracker/indexer. Torrentz is a great one, although not a tracker. The other trackers will probably become much, much more popular if TPB ever dies. Which, judging by the attitude of TPB admins in past court cases, that’s not going to happen, anytime soon.
Usenet ftw!
wtf is a tracker ? just make more of them yahh ????
If you would even dream of using a public tracker such as TPB you’re a fucking idiot. I wish sites such as TPB would shut down. All they do is bring attention to us pirates trying to stay under the radar.
what the hell is up with people and the piratebay??? i mean who uses the pirate bay???? its full of viruses and stuff like that. i do agree that they are helping the torrent cause by going to court and all but who downloads from them???? i dont!
forgot to say i only use private trackers :) nothing like a private tracker TL
@#45 jim
Have you ever really used TPB? There’s not a lot of viruses since torrents are monitored by moderators and get taken down if a virus is found. It’s hardly “full of viruses”.
The only real complaint I have about TPB is its really, _really_ crappy search.
Man oh man am I getting tired of all this bs about TPB being full of viruses etc. I’ve been using the site for years and have never gotten a virus or even something that was different from what the torrent description advertised.
To all using private trackers/sites, can you all please stop acting as if you are 14 year old “1337 haxx0rz” just because you got on to a private one?
I’ve used the private ones, and to be honest, I prefer TPB/Demonoid etc. Mainly because if we’re going to be sharing content, I think we ought to actually stick to the spirit of piracy in that sharing is caring… sharing with anyone.
You really aren’t that cool just because you happened to get on to the private ones, and one would think you would at least be supportive of the sharing community instead of only using articles like these to show off your nuts with “oh I don’t care what happens to TPB, I use PRIVATE”.
“TPB isn’t garbage.”
Right – it’s just generally much slower than most private trackers, has shitloads of duplicate files, misnamed files, files that don’t reflect their packaging name, fake files, low quality files – and there’s real content in there as well – and is a major target of spammers and malware.
People who haven’t used other “better” sites just don’t know.
“Wish I could say the same about your mum.”
Wow, cutting insult there. I’m sure the guys bleeding about now.
“To all using private trackers/sites, can you all please stop acting as if you are 14 year old “1337 haxx0rz” just because you got on to a private one?”
You sound like your getting annoyed that people are telling others that private is better basically and that you haven’t used any good site (unless you don’t care about speed/content/pre/malware avoidance I guess I guess). There’s plenty of private trackers that are open all/most of the time
“I’ve used the private ones, and to be honest, I prefer TPB/Demonoid etc. Mainly because if we’re going to be sharing content, I think we ought to actually stick to the spirit of piracy in that sharing is caring… sharing with anyone.”
For some reason you think private isn’t about sharing – WTH? Part of the reason private is better is that sharing is *enforced* so the majority of poeple don’t hit and run – as happens on trackers with no enforcment. Some people don’t even upload whilst there downloading on public.
Notice how most popular torrents at TPB have many times more leechers than seeders? Low SLR = slow download dude. It’s the opposite at private trackers.
People are generally really insecure, and they consider it personal insult, a statement of own stupidity when someone does something differently.
Private sites are very much like record labels, controlled from the top. And it hurts you more, when they get shut down. Aren’t OiNK uploaders being dragged to courts?
unfortunately the lay-out of the other public trackers is extremely unappealing compared to pb.
you click to go to the info-page of a torrent on one of these trackers,the page is full to the brim with flashy colors and unnecessary words,but the info i need ain´t there or hard to find.
Any info on HOW they are planning on using the SQLite database? Since it isn’t mentioned how the tribler team is planning to solve the problem, only how they will implement it.
If you want to know why all other sites are using our trackers http://static.thepiratebay.org/tracker.png they simply are not willing to cut into there profits by running an open tracker, Unlike the other trackers, we don’t care about profits, we want to enable BitTorrent to the world. But yes we have too much of the “market share” and i would like to say to all other big sites, use some of that ad-revenue and do what TPB does with our, provide an open, free, uncensored tracker services. Our tracker is free to use for anyone, you don’t have to upload the torrent on TPB, as a matter of fact, 50% of the torrents we track are not on TPB. But we are alone in this we need more ppl to take a stand and help the community and Internet as a whole.
DHT is the way to go.
it’s scalable, fault-tolerant, reliable.
no central server that could max out.
no central server that could be seized.
the network keeps operating, regardless of any failing peers.
DDoS attacks… even a central tracker would assist in a DDoS attack. DHTs aren’t worse, they’re the same in that regard.
You don’t need to do any research in this, i guessed that about 50% of all torrents are tracked by TPB and if they were to fail it would create a domino effect, or the same thing happening again, another single superpower!
MeH
Mayhem excites Hell
@53
I agree, the Sqlite database bit in the article is a bit unclear. The core idea of having a database in Tribler is to give it a ‘memory’. Most other BitTorrent are rather forgetful about certain things.
If thepiratbay tracker is taken offline the load on other trackers will increase. But you can be sure that they will upgrade their hardware pretty fast. If necessary, the bittorrent community will donate money and pay for it. They’re that affectionate =)
It would be a shame to see TPB go down, but making it out as the end of the bittorrent world is fantasy. You’d have said the same damn thing about suprnova.
It’s always a risk when the community starts to depend on a single resource, in this case, the massive tracking ability of TPB. DHT, tho flawed, is a start, and I’ve completely many torrents when the host trackers were offline, thanks 100% to DHT.
If TPB were to close shop, it would be a blow to the community at first, but would quickly be replaced with all the smaller trackers just waiting for torrents to track.
The loss of the TPB trackers as the go to tracker would force the community to split the load up amongst all the people willing to risk hosting a tracker. Donations would follow, upgrades ensue.
In some peoples eyes, the loss of the tpb tracker would be GOOD for the bittorrent community.
Through diversity, challenge, and necessity, we shall prevail.
something important occured in france.
-> a court decision made ip harvesting legal for scumbags like riaa (french representative : sacem) without justice decision and stuff
http://www.ouest-france.fr/actu/actuDet_-Internet-l-adresse-IP-n-est-plus-protegee-_3636-820863_actu.Htm
(babelfish istheshit)
public tracker have dht enabled while private have it disabled.
private tracker would go dead as soon as the site goes down.
ppl who think dht are useless haven’t experience tracker shutdown or are confidence that the tracker are always on indefinitely.
i do not want to mention any private site because it is pointless since you need an invite to get in and in most case one person can only invite 1 or 2 at the most in a month period.
this make joining the site much more difficult and therefore making sharing a very selfish thing. many of us that use tbp tracker use tpb website… what you do not understand is that most user also prefer to use demonoid tracker if the tracker is hosted on demonoid or any other site that they visit frequently.
to the author,
dht is only lacking in speed when using bitcomet. most user who use bitcomet have it disabled because it interfere with their p2p performance. for utorrent, dht isn’t a problem.
infact many user are now using utorrent. bitcomet is becoming less use and in a few year will be obsolete as bittornado have become.
user who use bitcomet will quickly adapt to utorrent because its better and less resource demanding.
i was an envy bitcomet user, now i realize its like windows vista,that uses excessive amount of ram and hd swap file.
There is no advantage of using bitcomet vs utorrent in most cases.
Revtt as 18332 and there are more seeders then 5-10. That sites maxes out my bandwidth on all downloads.
Remember when OiNK was shut down and the internets was in chaos? It’ll happen again if TPB shuts down.. we need to let this ‘Hydra’ grow and spread out
Wow, there’s a lot of comments on this one…
But besides DHT, Azureus clients can also act as an ad-hoc tracker when they need to. It’s hidden away in the advanced settings.
Remember what happened to Napster? Always the same single point of failure story: OpenNap clones are still active but to say the least they’re not really mainstream anymore. But nobody can shut down decentralized networks such as Ares, Gnutella, or eMule’s eDonkey/Kad.
The red bar hardly matters. That’s just torrents with TPB as fallback. Hence, nothing to see here.
By the way, what again was the difference between Napster and TPB, other than the protocol? TPB provides trackers, hosts torrent files and descriptive metadata. I don’t see a relevant juristic difference to Napster. I believe if Napster had been started by the TPB guys, it would still be up and running today., because it wouldn’t have been subject to the laws of the USA.
Public trackers are for sharing files and private trackers are for swapping files.
Most moderators on private trackers are douchebags.
66: You can easily remove the “on private trackers” because power corrupts and moderation power corrupts your brain or maybe just attracts corrupted brains.
”But besides DHT, Azureus clients can also act as an ad-hoc tracker when they need to. It’s hidden away in the advanced settings.”
There’s one problem though – Azureus’s
implementation of DHT is incompatible with the official DHT standard (the one uTorrent uses, for example) making it useless in mixed client swearms…
possible successor to bittorrent: http://gnunet.org/
Yikes!
yay it could be closed down finanly no more n00bs on the net. will be just people who know how to share. the people who have like 6tb buffers on private sites and actually have proper scene access. bye bye your n00bs you suck
yay all the noobs will be gone no more bitcomet, abc or any crappy clients being rleased the pirate bay sucks
So here’s to hoping if Pbay gets shut down, and other public sites like it… maybe all of our bandwidth will increase? As the nubs will not be downloading “Britney.Spears.Nude.REAL.zip.exe.torrent”
and no more axxo releases just pure scene releases
this would be awesome
please take down mininova next please im begging you!
long live TPB!!!
So, as a member of several private sites and a frequent user of public ones too, I can just say:
The speed of downloading is great as several posters did say; however what they forgot to tell people is that the uploads are weak.
This is due to the same reason the download are great, people want better D/U ratio and therefor if you’re late on a file all the upload is provided when you finishes your torrent.
With a ratio of 2/1 or greater the uploads won’t be near as good as the download rate. This is simple logic, due to more users trying to “hog” other users “download rate” with their own “Upload rate”.
Want fast downloads with slow forced uploads?! Use Private Sites!
Want slower but reasnoble downloads and no force (however I always leave it as 1/1)?! Use Public Sites!
SNF – Stupidity Never Fails
meh! just use tribler!
hola carolas
you obviously have no decent private trackers on all of mine i have a buffer atleast 4tb on all of them some are even 10+tb. also i have a script that get torrents automatically that runs in irssi on my linux box. all public tracker users have no repesct for the sceners they think ppl like axxo are soooo leet when do you ever encode a film to 831mb, n00b. this will be the best thing that could happen to p2p and for the really because good private trackers will last forever. aradi was laime and so is demonoid. im talking about the sites that get pre times of less than 1 min for a 700mb film.
so when TPB closes i will be celerbrating!
@35, with pleasure.
You are shameless because instead of thanking them for their time, money and dedication to their job which is one of the biggest beacons of freedom in the sea of capitalistic crap (I like metaphors) you just spit shit out without thinking.
Usenet can be taken down with a DMCA notice (or it’s alternative in Germany) while TPB ignored all threats.
I respect people who give so much and ask so few in return. You should too.
An egoist, because you only thought of yourself when writing your comment. “I use Usenet I don’t care”.. if the bastards from MPAA and RIAA win the fight for freedom, it will be the end of the world as we know it.
When your Usenet will crown down and die because of bandwidth lack or a simple police raid, where are you gonna go for your free Heroes episodes?!
Rubbish, if the Piratebay goes down, at least two more trackers will rise to fill the void
And if Bitorrent is taken down (by some unprecedented massive concerted global effort) then something new and more resilent will rise up
Technology will always adapt faster than the law
Torrents will never be dead, people will close sites but when they close a site 40 new sites launch! Like http://www.releaselog.nl started yet, I think its going to be a great community
This is absolutlet rediculous and is and absolutley no basis in fact.
If TPB went down the majority of “real” torrent users wouldnt give a shit anyway as they use private trackers.
TPB like other dirty public trackers are sort of a stepping stone or gateway site for complete n00bs who have no idea.
The good thing about TPB is that the founders have enough balls to stand up to bureaucrats and this legal win should be a big one for p2p.
watch “steal this film” part 1 and part 2 documentaries about tpb and file sharing community
stop using the internet if you don’t like public stuff
and mininova had some problems when tpb was down
if you are afraid of viruses it means you don’t know what to download and you shouldn’t be on the internet
public trackers are all about sharing and not being sellfish
tpb is a symbol of file sharing, that’s why is so important and if it goes down and it takes bittorrent down too it will make space for a new and improved p2p network, this happened to napster
this is just what a bunch of researchers concluded so it may or may not be true, 50-50
When tbp wins its case…
Free strudel for all!
Yet another one of many reasons to use the smaller, private trackers. Public trackers are for noobs or to maybe find some ‘hard to find’ material.
WTF do the Tribler folks know? Their client is a piece of crap and their own network is dire. With the increase in broadband capacity for the average peer, decentralized tracking seems to me to be more than capable of picking up the slack. Apart from the average TF reader, who really cares if TPB went offline, the world would not stop turning and p2p wouldn’t grind to a hault. I doubt it would even slow down.
The main problem is that the average person thinks the be all end all of filesharing is TPB, its not, the end user is, and if they themselves participated in the larger community by being part of a decentralized swarm they’d do far more for the p2p community that simply posting “Go Pirate Bay” on some blog, which helps no one.
Redesign p2p so when the servers go offline we share between each other, its been mentioned before & once it happens p2p will be unstoppable.
Seriously NubCakes the more $hit you say the bigger fool you look, how dumb can you be to pay for usenet & also download from private trackers.
NubCakes = “Hi everyone my name is nubcakes what’s your disability.
well first of all. its not that there would be a ton of people not downloading torrents anymore. its just all the people in china would be downloading anymore. i dont know anyone who uses a public tracker anymore. its a dumb idea. and it will just get you busted.
This is why you have to start using private trackers.
I honestly don’t care if the pirate bay trackers go down… they’re almost always flooded with leechers and the download speeds are TERRIBLE because of that! Private trackers are much better.
P2P researchers? My @$$. Those guys in Delft eat up millions of subsidies but they can’t even prove that P2P is a more efficient technology than http downloading or streaming is.
By the way it isn’t. P2P is a horror for ISP’s. The UK ISP’s shut down the BBC iPlayer. BBC wanted to save £3 million by switching to P2P and that switch cost the UK ISP’s almost £1 billion for extra network costs. So they are back to old school streaming.
P2P is 99.9999 used for illegal file sharing which is just plain wrong. P2P users drive up the costs for broadband: the P2P users’ broadband links are sponsored by non-P2P users.
P4P solves just a small part of the problem. Yes it sucks.
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