President Obama Discusses Three Strikes Anti-Piracy Law

Ernesto
March 11, 2010
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Hollywood lobbyists are trying to launch an assault on Internet providers and fast track tougher anti-piracy legislation in the United States. Ari Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, says the industry has been discussing these plans with President Obama outside of the public’s eye.

ari For years the entertainment industry has been lobbying for tougher measures against online piracy. In France this has resulted in the implementation of a ‘three strikes and you’re offline’ regime and many other countries are considering similar measures.

Thus far the United States Government has kept relatively quiet on this issue, but that doesn’t mean that such plans are not being discussed behind close doors.

According to Ari Emanuel, a famous Hollywood talent agent and the model for the character Ari Gold in the hit series Entourage, Hollywood lobbyists are working hard to convince President Obama and others to ram through similar legislation in the United States.

“We are in the midst of talking to the president and some attorney generals and [we are] trying to implement a three strikes and you’re out rule,” Emanuel said, while adding that this issue would most likely result in a “fight with ISPs”.

At this point it is impossible to assess the exact nature of these talks, but since Ari Emanuel is the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, there is no doubt that these talks are taken seriously. President Obama, who vouched to decrease the power of lobbyists in Washington, is not turning a deaf ear to this one for now.

Before even considering the implementation of a three-strikes model, United States lawmakers might want to take a good look at what’s happening in France. Unlike earlier projections that up to 95% of the file-sharers could stop downloading copyrighted content, the piracy rate has actually increased in the face of the new law.

The entertainment industry, nevertheless, continues to push legislation as the solution to online piracy, while ignoring their own role in the creation of the problem.

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pirate me

they just want piracy to be more. I love emule :-)
Anonymous

haha!
kabuki0009

I heared it could never happen there :P
Anonymous

All you Americans thought it was soooo funny when it happened in France and the UK.
Gargamel

Is anyone really surprised this was going sooner or later? This is the homeland of the Nazi Regime of the MIAA and RIAA. I’m surprised its taken this long.

I have no doubt this will go through. If theres one thing the US is good at its overreacting and pushing through tyrannical laws in the land of ‘free’.

Patriot act. Best screwjob of our time!
Ryan

It won’t happen for a while… And Obama needs to work on more important things!
dang it

Economy tanking, war increasing, crime and murder rampant..

HEY.. LETS TALK ABOUT NON COMMERCIAL PIRACY!
Anonymous

I agree with #7, he needs to actually try to fix the economy, besides, plenty of people buy music so it’s not like the big famous artists are all going broke at the same time. I buy music from artists I like and right now, I haven’t found any artists that I actually want to spend money on since Feb 19th, I bought an album from iTunes that was by an artist who actually deserved my money.
Anonymous

” Economy tanking, war increasing, crime and murder rampant..

HEY.. LETS TALK ABOUT NON COMMERCIAL PIRACY!
”

BINGO
JL

If they implement this an all out war will ensue. These people think they can control us and our freedoms. We have a right to the internet. Mess with that and you will get a war no one has ever seen. Just think, street lights, alarms (business or otherwise), E-money (everything is e-money, unless its under your bed ), everything controlled by electronics, gone and hacked to bits. These people that can do this don’t because of internet freedoms. Take it away and BOOM. Worse than a million EMP’s going off at once. DUMB. Very Dumb.
Anonymous

why dont they pump all the money that they put into catching file sharers into child pornograph, much more serious matter and their is a lot of uncaught peadophilles.
r0ck

Funking ridiculous… he should get all the shit fixed that he promised during the election. When will these MPAA fucks finally die?

Land of the free my ass …
CapnS

Sadly the people who post on this comment forum are a bit… detatched from reality (or so I think).

The majority of online users are ignorant to laws and new rules imposed. Many respond to the fear mongering of RIAA and other corporations and I feel that this law (if passed) will only accomplish two things:
1) Driving those with know-how undergrounds
2) Scaring single moms and grandparents into thinking that anything that moves on your computer might get them sued.

There will be no revolt, there will be no backlash. I can explain a small analogy if you care about why I believe this but as #11 predicts I don’t think people will care that much.

Anyone who believes these talks WEREN’T taking place needs to snap back to reality… if RIAA/MPAA and others are pushing hard over-seas then why aren’t they in the US?

-Capn
in.cog.nito

Just another thing Obama can do wrong.

Don’t blame me. I didn’t vote for him.
Afficianado

…the industry has been discussing these plans with President Obama outside of the public’s eye.

Well, that’s democracy for you land of the free.
saaaay wha?

Taking a world of FREE and USEFUL information away from someone because of a 3 strikes copyright infringement law is ridiculous.

Intant access to medical information could potentially save thousands of lives every day and that esitmate is just as relevant as any annual revenue ‘loss’ the MAFIAA claims due to piracy.

I guess the gov’t is more concerned with music and movies because labels and studios donate more to election campaigns.
Anonymous

I LOL’d @ “vouched to decrease the power of lobbyists in Washington”
… you’d have to be an American moron to really take that into perspective. Lobbyists are the ones that got Obama into the White House. Just google who were Obama’s top contributors during his presidential run. Dont be an idiot plzzz
Einstein

Hollywood lobbyists have Billion$ at their disposal. Billion$ that we, the loyal consumers, have provided them with (by buying CDs, DVDs, going to the movies, etc, etc…). That’s the irony of it.
Things will be very different in the not-too-distant future, one way or the other.
lol

@17 why would you have to be an American moron? Wouldn’t it be anyone is takes it into perspective be a moron no matter where they are from? I very much doubt this is going to be on the top burner for Obama, what will happen is someone will say something to him, and then it will get pushed aside for more important things. He’s not stupid he is the type of guy who will look at how much money movies are making and say ok this is not to much of a problem for the US yet. He won’t ignore it but he also won’t jump on it either.
Whatever

Too bad 3 strikes doesn’t work for politicians. The Dutch prime minister is already had four strikes (failures) and is going to try for the fifth time….
Foo Kin Wong

Go Obama
Anonymous

“Before even considering the implementation of a three-strikes model, United States lawmakers might want to take a good look at what’s happening in France. Unlike earlier projections that up to 95% of the file-sharers could stop downloading copyrighted content, the piracy rate has actually increased in the face of the new law. ”

Did any of the above even read that they’re considering not doing it because of the increase it could cause?
Spits On Ground

This Posting is disgusting.
Get your sources from people who have at least some credibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Emanuel#Controversy
duane

Time to sort out that US Pirate Party, I think, to keep Mr Obama honest about his promises on Openness and all that…
Goug

If I am guilty of copyright infringement, then prove it in court before each time that you issue a strike against me. If I am found guilty of a crime, then giving me a strike seems like fair punishment. What is not fair is someone claiming I am guilty with zero recourse available to me.
Cwrw

The truth is out there .Or jest OUT
Mr Obama as is friends to pay for his election win its payback time$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ USA
US Pirate Party
Yo

Will never work in USA since this will tread on the judicial turf (only the court can order you to do something, not congress or Obama) and will get immediately bogged down in the legal system.
pirateprideWW

Meet the old boss, same as the old boss.

Stop falling into the left-right paradigm; they’re both owned by people who are most certainly NOT the American public.
w8s

well partial reason piracy is growing in America could possible be the economy problems
Cordelia

Obama is probably the most decent American president ever. That’s not to say I like him.

But it’s good that he is trying to reduce the power of lobbyists; they are disgusting and the practice is completely un-democratic.

The so-called democracy in the USA is a joke. It’s a democracy for rich companies and very rich individuals. For the normal people, where’s the choice, freedom and care for your welfare?

You have to pay for everything, even hospitals and universities which are free in Europe. And look we are both healthier and better educated…
Anonymous

we can’t let this happen
Truther

By discussions I hope this means Obama saying “You are a bunch of idiots.”
Anonymous

” Obama is probably the most decent American president ever. That’s not to say I like him.

But it’s good that he is trying to reduce the power of lobbyists; they are disgusting and the practice is completely un-democratic.

The so-called democracy in the USA is a joke. It’s a democracy for rich companies and very rich individuals. For the normal people, where’s the choice, freedom and care for your welfare?

You have to pay for everything, even hospitals and universities which are free in Europe. And look we are both healthier and better educated…”

Yeah! Right!
You should learn something about a subject before you spout off about things that you know nothing about.

Obummer does everything outside of the public eye.
Anonymous

I kind of think half of you are retarded, most of the people who already posted are just here to add another way they can call obama retarded, i’m for piracy, but god damn you guys act like you’re insulted, you are stealing from artist, give them a break, they’re making a plan, nothing has happend yet, so why are you so much on edge people? relax.
Captain Music

“stealing”

no
Anonymous

i suppose more people will just have to get a vpn ha, in the event that it does get implemented-which i doubt. there’s always ways around it– the dumbass bureaucrats should know that by now with the failed wars on drugs and poor middle east countries.
Anon

ACTA is pure fail. Everyone who supports ACTA is bought and paid for. These are facts, probably the only facts you will come acrosss in the ACTA negotiations themselves. The USA is responsible for blocking transparency of these negotations worldwide. @35 has no clue what he/she’s talking about.
anonymouse

still find it strange that an industry of ‘x’ number of employees can take greater priority over industries of ‘x + thousands of employees and millions of customers’. why they are hell-bent on going down this road instead of the sensible one beats the life out of me!
a voice in the wilderness

hers a great one for u UK’ers…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8561963.stm

Pink Floyd sues EMI
it seems the real pirates are the record labels selling and profiting on artists without their permission…
Anonymous

How can I edit undo my vote? The position of Obama is a little moot because all they’re discussing is an agreement. They’re trying to export as much US law as possible. While they’d love to push for new laws that is the job of the congress. Not that the corporations can’t buy them too…
….

You guys are always blaming Obama for the economy that is falling apart: FYI that happens in the whole fucking world guys, stop blaming him for things he did not cause.

They should only allow such methods to be used if they are necessary, when those mtfers start making losses because of piracy. But the only thing they want is more money/power.
Anonymous

If this happens I will revolt.
Anonymous

Too bad Obama is already sucking off the RIAA
duane

@42
The music industry is already revolting. ;)
Midarezaki

This is the same President Obama who gave a gift of DVDs to British prime minister Gordon Brown – each and every one was R1-locked, thus making it impossible for Brown to actually watch any of them on a UK DVD player without circumventing a DRM mechanism (which is illegal here).
kriegstreiber

“They’re trying to export as much US law as possible.”

Oh, boo-hoo. You’re so much healthier than those stupid Americans…well, maybe not psychologically. (I’m assuming you’re the snotty little btch who wrote that earlier “Hi! I’n ANONYMOUS!!) Stop consuming their products (bought or pirated) and then tell us all about how they are exporting law and regulation.STFU. If, for example, the “artists” and special interest groups were of Euro origin they’d want their copyrights enforced too. But they hardly ever are. 90% of consumed Euro entertainment is of American origin. Why don’t you just manifest your anti-American sentiment by NOT CONSUMING IT?? Shut up, hypocrite.
Koslain

You pay for the service just like water, if you use water wrong 3 times do they cut of your supply?
Anonymous

Don’t expect the American public to do anything about this. They will just talk loud behind their computers on message boards and keep on whining till its too late.
Captain Music

@43

I see what you did there.
Anonymous

> Did any of the above even read that they’re considering not doing it because of the increase it could cause?

That’s not what it said. That was just TF making a suggestion based on their earlier article on a 3-percent piracy increase in France following HADOPI.

> Get your sources from people who have at least some credibility.

Irony that a person who criticizes sources gives Wikipedia as a “better” source. :)

> we can’t let this happen

What’ya gonna do?
bheesham

@16: Agreed.
gorehound

Instead of complaining about this you have to do a lot more like speak with action.This is what I have been doing and maybe you might want to jump on my ship too.It would be a great thing to see these greedbags get the shaft.They want a war and we can give it to them.

1.stop buying any new films
2.no going to the theater
3.buy only used films
Those 3 things alone gives the greedbag studios no money at all but you will still get the movie you wanted
4.buying used from a local store will support your local economy which is good and even better that used movie gave hollywood no money from the sale.
It is sad that all these messages i see on the net from folks like you who will continue to feed the pig hollywood.you will just complain and do nothing.my little protest multiplied by millions would send a big message to these asssholes.
mcgruff

if the aa’s are seriosly trying to push for legislation in the U.S. of a 3 strikes policy it gives me hope that they don’t have faith in ACTA getting shoved through in europe and are trying to hedge their bets. i thought they would have waited a little longer to do so though, risking the EFF or the like catching wind of it and making a stink.

not that it would matter a whole lot. look at what the aa’s wanted and are getting with the “selectable output control” (SOC) issue even after the FCC and EFF have railed against it for years.

they’ll get their way on this, just like they always do, eventually. if not now then they’ll just keep at it until they do. it just makes me happy that they’re worried enough about the fate of ACTA and that this may be POSTPONED in europe for a while longer.
Anonymous

I’m with #8 on this one.
Yemaya

oh yeah, What’ya gonna do?
What’ya gonna do when they come for you
Slick

I’d like to see Glenn Beck would have to say, if all of this went through.
anon

I predict a theater boycott coming up. (or at least a dvd one)
again

I ipred now. My last cable company, Cableone, cut me off then required that i sign an agreement stating that I wouldn’t “infringe” any more in order to restore service. The file in question was not on my computer. How’s that for three strikes? They are coming through the back door folks and tip toeing quietly. Yes, I switched providers for that and told them why.
Jack

DAMMIT OBAMA… That fucking black bitch, never should have voted for him. Fucking 1 year in office and he does nothing, now it’s the second year and he decides to violate our constitutional rights and listen to those Hollywood millioniers and fucking lobbyists. DAMMIT!!@!@@#!!
Infowars.com

Obama is at it again…
Make sure to watch “The Obama Deception” on YouTube and “Fall of the Republic” on YouTube in FULL! These two documentaries expose whats really going on and everyone aught to see them!

The Obama Deception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Fall of the Republic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU
Ralonto

Most likely, a large chunk of his campaign money came from these individuals.
neostyles

Believe me, as soon as they start disconnecting people, people will start to take notice.
Huggybaby

Rahm, it’s not “attorney generals”, it’s “attorneys general”. And Oba,a, it’s not pronounced corpse-man either. If Bush had said this stuff it’s all we’d hear about.

Rahm Emanuel’s brother Ezekiel is in favor of death panels.

The libs hated Karl Rove, but he was nothing compared to the three Emanuel brothers. Be very afraid, Obama is an ignorant puppet.
Late Again

“3.buy only used films”

Sometime I’m hoping to finally get an answer to this one. How in reality could we subsist on purely used media? If I’m not mistaken in order for it to be used that would have to mean someone bought it new last I checked.
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flavorite

So many people love to share. The P2P community is getting a bit brazen. (Remembedr TPB?) They can’t stop us, they can only drive us deeper underground. Not a real problem. Things evolve.

It’s all a big show. Enjoy the challenge! That’s at least half the fun.
gorehound

3.buying used films mean buying the film sold by someone who doesnot believe in boycotting the greedbags.
yes there will be those who will stand by the industry but together we can make them feel us .we can cause them to lose millions of dollars if we wanted to.
flavorite

Oh, yeah. I also wanted to say, follow your respective network gurus. They will lead you to safer places as situations require.

For now, I would offer an old saying that is tangentially related.

“Never argue with people who buy ink by the barrels.” The same goes for movies or audio recordings. Though you can never win an argument with such a huge propaganda machine, you can still get whatever you came for.

What am I saying? Less arguing… more seeding. LOL. It’s all good. Let them have their propaganda show, including any new laws, executive orders, etc. The ways around them are nearly limitless. The internet is not going away, and neither is the safe and secure transmission of reproducible digital data of any format. We are at least as creative as the powers-that-be.
Ralonto

THERE

ARE

ALWAYS

ALTERNATIVES

!!!
zerosec

http://zerosecondi.blogspot.com/
Observer

This could be good though, if Obama comes out in favor of a 3 strikes law, then the Republicans will do everything they can to say they hate the idea of a 3 strikes law, then Obama can “concede the issue” and America is safe from this crap for another 4 years.
Anonymous

@36

win. you tell that shill.
Anonymous

The major labels already have more than three strikes. I bet Obummer does too.
Huggybaby

@67 lol You got that right. It’s called being adversarial.
Anonymous

yes we can
HDScene

F**K Obama, & @7 yeah he needs to do some important shít.

BTW no one can ever stop piracy/cyber sharing… f**k the system you can’t stop us. Muhahaha!! lol
Anonymous

If your mentally challenged enough to watch “The Obama Deception” posted above then you should also read this critique of it here:

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/alex-jones/the-obama-deception/

Basically the film is based on a load of guesses, ouright lies, poorly informed opinions and features a total lack of citations to reveal any sources – except for citations of other conspiracy nuts of course. It’s made for by people who swallow any garbage if it tickles their “conspiracy funny-bone” by people who have a conspiracy theory and then twist, embellish and makeup “facts” to prove the theory.

Note how every point that is made in the debunking article above has at least one citation to a disinterested third party source of infomation – that difference alone should alert you to which version of events is based in reality.

Of course there are people who are quite happy to be fed lies, opinions stated as facts and also feel happy without having any disinterested sources for infomation also – these are mentally feeble people who enjoy the “fantasy” aspect of the conspiracy theory: that they “know secret infomation that normal people don’t” and they are more “well informed and open minded” than normal people (despite the fact that normal people will offer a healthy amount of sceptisism and not sit there swallow this trip hook, line and sinker of course)
Alex

Yay! 1984! :/
oli

@73

That site you linked to is bullshit.

Read the legislation governments pass for yourself and you’ll soon see that he’s right.
liquidmonkey

obama has called bankers “FAT CATS” and he is NOT in favor of those types of business models.

i think he will have the same view point to HOLLYWOOD and MUSIC.

he will ask, ‘what are YOU doing to stop piracy?’
Bryan

Um, I’d still download all the illegal stuff I wanted if they passed this….
And to be honest, I think America’s leaders have more important issues to tend to than how fat the entertainment industry can make it’s wallet. Seriously…
MD3

No peer-to-peer file sharing but anyone can buy and carry a gun? AMERICA IS SO COHERENT!
dkong

let them be foolish *whistle*
Eluent

3-strikes doesn’t work, but that’s no reason not to vote it. They knew it wouldn’t work and cost a lot, and said it in parliament, and they still voted here in France (if it makes some lobbyist happy it can’t be all that bad can it ?). Just one of many ways to love our so-called “democracy”.
Afficianado

Huggybaby

Rahm Emanuel’s brother Ezekiel is in favor of death panels.

Yeah, but apparently you can make yourself invisible to death panels by going completely naked except for a tinfoil helmet. What’s that? Oh you already knew that and are suitably attired as you type.
Freeleech

@79 Mar 12, 2010 at 08:50 by liquidmonkey
“obama has called bankers “FAT CATS””

The same Obama who lets his Fed to bail out those bankers? ;-)

Fece it, this guy is the worst US president since Nixon. Even Bush Jr. was at least openly evil.
Darryl Chalmers

See this is what happens when you let an uppity niggah with terrorist links into office.

Well done Armerica, well done.
AnarchyNow

And now you all see what elections give you: NOTHING but more regression and aggression against the people, Obama as predicted is no better than Bu$h, just another puppet for the global capitalist totalitarian dictatorship that can’t stand one bit of competition.
Anonymous

AnarchyNOW never fails to disappoint when it comes to using words he obviously doesn’t understand, like regression and totalitarian, and looking laughably like a complete hypocrite as he uses global communication networks and computers to call for an end to capitalism when they both wouldn’t exist under a system of anarchy.
Rockefeller

This will happen, not because of copyright issues, but the inherent ease of extinguishment of dissident voices, whistle blower sites and organisations that dont do as we say.
Subservience will be carried by consent or conquest.
Revolt you powerless ants.
You are only free to do what we tell you.
Did I mention that VPNs and usenet are ‘service providers’?
Mr Obama is there to keep you happy, to make it seem like you are free.
His soul is tortured by the system, he despises the capitalist machine.
He liked the idea of democracy, until he entered Valhalla.
Mr Obama, fortunately, does not ‘make the world go round’.
TerribleTony

@89 Hmm, so if we became an anarchist society we would lose all our technological advances? Why is that exactly? Anarchism just means “without authority” not “without anything at all”
Anon-E-moose

The Internet is a Human right. You cannot take away the right to information!! I have the right to defend myself for every accusation brought against me (DUE PROCESS)!! (does the government have that much money to take all the accused to court? If ppl were not going to buy the media in the first place then what are you gaining from disconnecting users who buy other goods via internets)

Every time “piracy” is mentioned by the media it GROWS!! So many people did not know what bittorrent was a few months ago, now they do thanks to the MPAA, RIAA and the media. Piracy has been around since the first licensed program. It’s part of the system, and will always exist one way or another.

MPAA RIAA, you are not losing money, your stats show this! Make content downloadable and reasonably priced and you will make more money. Or ignore us and you will die! Digital media has just begun!
Anonymous

“Hmm, so if we became an anarchist society we would lose all our technological advances? Why is that exactly? Anarchism just means “without authority” not “without anything at all””

We wouldn’t lose all technological advances we would lose the ones that rely on large groups of people with large amount of capital and interoperability between geographical areas (eg. the internet or modern health care).

These types of technologies are built on organisation which requires authority and also rely on groups pooling their investment – which doesn’t happen if there is no legal framework which by definition has to operate under an authority.

Also laughable about AnarchNOW’s posts is he’s claiming to exist in a totalitarian dictatotship – yet he is able to voice this opinion without fear of or actual retribution of any nature.

He is just bumbling about using words he doesn’t know the meaning of talking about a system that in all likelhood he would be extremely unhappy in or alternatively be killed or enslaved by stronger parties as there would be no framework of accountability to prevent this happening.

Basically he is an idiot, especially claiming he is under a totalitarian regime when he’s free to express this viewpoint – even if other idiots are the only ones that take it aall seriously.
Freeleech

@89 Mar 12, 2010 at 14:23 by Anonymous
“he uses global communication networks and computers … when they both wouldn’t exist under a system of anarchy”

Newsflash for you, my dumb conservative friend: the Internet IS essentially anarchic. And semiconductors were invented by scientists, not by government officials.
Anonymous

“The Internet is a Human right.”

The Internet is not a human right. It is a service that you pay for. Show me one statute that claimns the internet is a human right.

“You cannot take away the right to information!!”

You never had a “right to information” – infomation is not a generic, all encompassing term, by definition it has a context, a meaning and a purpose including rights of ownership. And sorry to bust your silly vague generalisations with exclamation marks but organisations have the right to defend the misue of their copyright – in fact it is enshrined in law no less.

“If ppl were not going to buy the media in the first place then what are you gaining from disconnecting users who buy other goods via internets)”

Many pirate would buy media if they could not illegally obtain it. If people are disconnected from the internet they can go to one of the many public places where internet is available and purchase their chosen goods there.
me

This 3-strikes regime has been pushed BY US megacorps all over the world for a while now. And by their government too, not only in ACTA, but in the WTO as well. It’s only fair that they get a taste of their own medicine (or rather: poison), just so they realized who it feels.

HOWEVER, I wished it wouldn’t penalize US file sharers who are our best friends and who tirelessly help create a better world where information is free… despite the combined efforts of their utterly corrupt corporatocracy to criminalize them.
me

#94: “how me one statute that claimns the internet is a human right.”

Here we go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8548190.stm

Quote: “Countries such as Finland and Estonia have already ruled that access is a human right for their citizens.

International bodies such as the UN are also pushing for universal net access.”
Anon-E-moose

@94

The internet is not considered by most a human right currently, but soon it will be considered by all to be a right (IT IS A RIGHT IN FINLAND, there go find your sought after statue).

The rest of your responses do not deserve a response from me, you’re an idiot.
Sorny

I swear this article is based on nothing but hear-say.
humm

@ 7 Mar 11, 2010 at 20:47 by Ryan

It won’t happen for a while… And Obama needs to work on more important things!

eh? from the land of teh capatalists – pfft, there’s money to be made old chum, so nothing will get in the way of that, only the poor care about trivial things like economics, the others just make it up to suit as they go along destroying for profit
Anonymous

one word: Oneswarm!
froggger

@ 92 Mar 12, 2010 at 15:22 by Anonymous

“Hmm, so if we became an anarchist society we would lose all our technological advances? Why is that exactly? Anarchism just means “without authority” not “without anything at all””

We wouldn’t lose all technological advances we would lose the ones that rely on large groups of people with large amount of capital and interoperability between geographical areas (eg. the internet or modern health care).

These types of technologies are built on organisation which requires authority and also rely on groups pooling their investment – which doesn’t happen if there is no legal framework which by definition has to operate under an authority.

Also laughable about AnarchNOW’s posts is he’s claiming to exist in a totalitarian dictatotship – yet he is able to voice this opinion without fear of or actual retribution of any nature.

He is just bumbling about using words he doesn’t know the meaning of talking about a system that in all likelhood he would be extremely unhappy in or alternatively be killed or enslaved by stronger parties as there would be no framework of accountability to prevent this happening.

Basically he is an idiot, especially claiming he is under a totalitarian regime when he’s free to express this viewpoint – even if other idiots are the only ones that take it aall seriously.

seems to me he’s not the ONLY one, going by the BS in your post,
Raptaur

93 Mar 12, 2010 at 15:25 by Freeleech

@89 Mar 12, 2010 at 14:23 by Anonymous
“he uses global communication networks and computers … when they both wouldn’t exist under a system of anarchy”

Newsflash for you, my dumb conservative friend: the Internet IS essentially anarchic. And semiconductors were invented by scientists, not by government officials.

Newsflash for you, my dumber friend. The internet was born and came to excist becasue of the Goverment
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Mike

Better download everything on my to do list before its too late
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lol

@ 103

Havent you learned yet? The list never ends..

ever.
davidson

Well, thankfully there are still people using no WiFi encryption within range…
Bejezzus

Meeting with Obama is more social counseling for ppl that can’t get along. He listens, then goes back to whatever he was doing.

If 3 strikes ever happens, so will crap loads of leeching. I expect ppl will use every local wifi network they find to download crap.

THEN after 1000′s of innocent ppl are punished, Americans will create non-profit advocacy groups, and Facebook lists and 30 years later finally the children of the accused will get their family name cleared.
Anonymous

Certain comments have suggested or stated that the United States is a democracy. This is not the case. To be specific, it a representative federal republic. There are certainly strong democratic traditions present, but that hardly equates to true democracy. Democracy or the lack thereof is largely irrelevant in this case anyway, since it does not seem likely that the majority cares about this legislation one way or the other.

As Americans, we only have ourselves to blame. We chose our representatives of our own free wills after all. The President and legislature are no different than their predecessors, yet the American people wanted to believe otherwise. If you do not like the current lobbying situation, try not voting for one of the two major parties.
Anonymous

talking to Obama won’t help.. hell no.. even talking to god won’t help.. piracy is an unstoppable force..
Anonymous

“Change we can believe in”? Yeah, sure…
James

If we reject the lie that success is production and growth we can all live in harmony with each other, and the other life on this planet, sharing everything, at war with nothing, not even ourselves. This is the only path to happiness. It’s time we all stop working, stop buying, let these ridiculous institutions like government and corporations die, and start being happy.
Mr. Anon

Obama might want to think twice about going after the people who voted for him if he wants a second term.

The fact that he’s even considering it tells me that I won’t be voting for him again.
Yarrrrr

Part of me is cheering for this to happen, just so the internet in the US can revert to a wild west where everyone has to learn to fly under the radar. Then they’ll be able to police absolutely nothing as new technologies are developed or popularized in order to get around it.

Much like the war on drugs, this is a fight they can pour billions into and still lose.
Swenka

Only read the first couple comments I saw, but here’s a fun fact:

While piracy of music has been up, so too have concert attendance. Good for the band, bad for the record company.
Trelew

You know Obama doesn’t even have to be involved. There is so much things going on the US government that they literally and figuratively don’t know what the left and right hands are doing. This is one of the reasons why so much BS gets done.

The major problem is that Big Business has way too much control of government, not just in the US but all around the world. Behind government doors you have a culture of no transparency and no accountability. Big Business comes in with their high-powered lawyers and lobbyists with deep pockets. This creates an environment where you have a perfect storm of green and corruption. This is why in the States you see these incredible high judgments against file sharers and ISP. Courts are bought off and laws are changed to suit the corporate elite.

What we need is true transparency and true accountability. Accountability such that if a government bureaucrat or politician breaks the trust of public they should be criminally charges and sued civilly. We need to ban corporate lobbyist from governments. Sadly, I don’t think we will see this happen in our lifetime. Those in power are profiting too much from this to care about the people they are suppose to be representing.
At least I am honest

All this outrage is ridiculous. We are stealing. No if, ands or buts. I enjoy torrenting just like you but to think we have the right to steal stuff is just stupid. Take advantage while you can but don’t be surprised at the repurcussions.
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DW

Hollywood makes billions a year and is Greedy! He needs to worry about the economy and not the already rich….
man

the senate just passed some very agressive law “pact act 2009″ that flew under the radar in most commercial news;

http://activepolitic.com:82/2/old/12-3.html#Smoking

pact act 2009 expands the war on drugs to come after cigarette smokers too, smoking is becoming a serious crime
Bob

So, they’re just gonna ignore the fact that 3-strikes laws work sooooo effectively against regular crime? Did they not read the part where its impact on crime reduction is negligible and actually contributes to increased incidences of violent crimes as criminals who used up 2 out of their 3 strikes tend to go out with as much collateral damage as possible when apprehended? Or that it has contributed to prison overcrowding and bankruptcy of an entire state?

Apply this to piracy and what do you get? More efforts to pirate the biggest Hollywood blockbusters. Up the risks of piracy and you will only pirate the best. Increased costs passed down to consumers from ISPs. More wrongful convictions and other burdens on our legal system as pirates resort to stealing whatever wi-fi they can pick up for piracy.
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Perry

They are already hard at work getting these measures implemented, if they rumors about ACTA are any to go on.

Driven forward by the political and lobby representatives from the USA, followed by their counterparts in the EU this would be a First World encompassing set of measures that would protect the entertainment industry’s current hold on profits and would demonize all normal citizens as being pirates and suspects.
Huggybaby

@85: Afficianado likes to imagine naked men. You couldn’t handle it boy.
G Washington

The government can steal another nations property(oil, opium) and not be charged with anything and yet they want to disconnect users for being the third party.

What a bunch of murdering hypocrites…

This is another step in trying to get the public NOT TO USE THE INTERNET.

The government hates the .net because it can start an uprising against the corperment!

I mean what kind of nation do we live in when the Chief of Staff served in another nations military?

Rahm Emanuel served in the IDF during the Gulf war.

He decided it’s more important to protect Israel than fight along side his citizens in Operation Desert Storm.
Hex8358

America is no longer a country loved by the many and this is a good example why, I as an American feel very violated by the country I once loved and I don’t think there is any turning back.
netskom

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Stocklone

@dang it

Actually lots of major cities are seeing a large drop in homicide. Just saying.
mipmb;lc

epic fail
HDScene

@111?
+1 i agree, lol.
guyfromamerica

I haven’t purchased music in so long that I can’t remember the last time I did. It was years ago.
As far as movies go the only one I have seen at theaters was Avatar; and this was so I could view the new 3D technology. Before that I can’t remember when I last went. I think it was some time last summer.
The reason I do not feed into these industries any longer is because I don’t need them. My short time of life is valuable. I would much rather pick up a book at a local library. Studying even mathematics is more valuable to me than popular culture. Daily I practice accepting all things veridical. I hardly need escapism through fantasy any longer.
I would recommend that anyone wondering where the future of “piracy” is headed to check out a book called “Free: The Future of a Radical Price”
the uk is a joke

I’m pretty sure that this is just a small thing on Obama’s plat right now.

Probably only took interest in it so he wouldn’t look bad.

Obama sucks but he’s trying to win the crowd by this whole health care thing.

The US doesn’t bend over and take it like the UK does. sorry.
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dada

@95

The internet is not a human right, but the right to freedom of expression is – that is the right to express, or disseminate, information and ideas, as well as to seek information and ideas; to receive information and ideas; and to impart information and ideas.

The freedom of expression is a fundamental right, it is an enforceable human right in the EU.

The internet is now a key communication tool – its like the telephone 30 years ago, and the postal service 60 years ago.

Normally the right to freedom of expression is only limited in very serious circumstances, as rights need to be balanced against each other. That’s why the French constitutional court ruled that only a judge, not an administrative body, can limit the means to exercise the right o freedom of expression.

In terms of proportionality – if a household occupied by multiple people is disconnected, everybody will be punished, including those that might need the internet to work from home or run their own business, children who need he internet for coursework. Also, the household would no longer be able to access vital public and private services. More and more public services are now delivered online, because it is more cost effective.

Depending on the situation, disconnecting a household, even for a short period of time, can have an impact on the household which is entirely disproportionate to the crime.

If you get done for exchanging child porn images online, once your out of court/prison, you walk home to your internet connection.

Many crimes and civil offences are committed via the internet, but we don’t cut people off the net. As far as I am aware only suspected-terrorists under some sort of restraining order are prevented from having access to the internet at home.
Georgia

@5 Did we?
Anonymous

So, what happens when someone borrows their neighbor’s or a local business’ wifi instead of using their own connection?
WhoCares

I am an internet pirate. If piracy wasn’t available on the internet I would seek other sources. Like it or not; piracy is part of the system. Shutting it down is a step toward cracking down on free speech. We may still be able to voice our opinions; but what are they going to take away next?

They should take away our guns first if they want to push our faces in the dirt.
oli

@WhoCares

They will eventually, unless people stand up for their rights.
AgreesWith11

11 has it right, we are the ones that helped build it and we can easily take it from them.
Gabriel Unger

The majority of the people who post comments on this site and other sites like Digg are the weakest, most uninformed population on any side of any legal/social issue I have ever heard of. Most of what I read in these comments sections embodies some combination of misleading, untrue, and irrelevant. Your cries of universal corruption and complete incompetency in the government are as baseless and useless as your threats of “revolt” and increasing how much your download and share.

Changing copyright laws and/or changing the ways rights holders sell/distribute content and illegal sharing are punished is a noble cause that I believe in. However, this cause is lost if it is built upon sites like this and people like you all.
fs

uh…

“behind close doors” -> “behind closed doors”

“vouched to decrease the power of lobbyists” -> “vowed to decrease the power of lobbyists”
spY

fuck em
busdrivermike

what really needs to happen is a strike against cable providers. Just pull the plug, and go online instead.
Tuaris

obama is just another word for lie.
Nostalgic

ROFL. I’d love to see you keep me off line. I can hack into anything electronic and ISP’s won’t be able to stop me from accessing the flow of data. Ever hear of satellites? Yeah. You’ll never find me.

You bring this law about, we will hack the planet. Besides, only suckers pay for internet access.

Data demands to be free. You cannot stop the flow of data.
Nostalgic

Copyright laws only apply if you’re making a profit off it. Otherwise, it’s fair game.
kriegstreiber

@mc3: Shut up, moron. You don’t know anything about US laws. And furthermore your comment about “letting anyone carry a gun” was irrelevant to this discussion as well as ignorant. Perhaps you should try to be “coherent.” In MOST states in the US one may lawfully carry a concealed weapon w/ proper licensing and training. They are not the ones committing crimes. Perhaps you’re just all butt-hurt because you live in a nation of “subjects” rather than citizens wherein you must beg the police to respond quickly enough if your own home is invaded? Please continue with your anti-Americanism ON TOPIC but stop consuming their products and spouting off erroneously about shit you don’t know.
Matt

Ok I’m your average white male who lives in middle of the US and am wondering that maybe it’s because people have less money to spend on going out. That they choose to instead stay home and download a newly released movie. Heck maybe their Dish is past the first year of service and prices have gone up and they have decided to make a monthly cutback on their Dish service saving some $50 a month. Heck one could download a movie at a random friends house upload it to a usb drive and watch it at home on their Xbox 360 so exactly how would one enforce this law if it ever gets passed? Not to mention that piracy isn’t really a big deal at the moment not many people do it overall. Compared to the amount of people who go out and watch a movie in the theater or buy new dvds there’s just not much money being lost cause the people that download aren’t really going to spend that money anyways so it’s not like someone’s losing money because of piracy. The one’s that might lose money are the websites that allow piracy, nothing that a little advertising couldn’t help in the end everyone benifits from piracy more people see the movies, more chatter about said movie, more aunt and uncle spending hard earned cash cause some cousin downloaded Avatar off some website MPAA you just made money off piracy! How does it feel t fight against something that benifits you in the end makes you feel dumb doesn’t it? Who will this bill hurt in the end Families. thats who. What is being done that’s so bad that would cause someone like Obama to think about a law like this……nothing! WTF!
hum..yeah

“@you are stealing from artist, give them a break, they’re making a plan”
Give them a break?!! F**k that there rich enough with the people that pay for there s**t they want the whole pie,they aren’t satisfied with 3/4 they laugh at the homeless and poor and don’t give a s**t about you or i just whether we buy there S**t
Anonymous

Ok turds, the Internet is NOT free and you don’t have a RIGHT to access it.

The computer, monitor, keyboard and mouse your using…not free.

The electricity run it all…not free.

The broadband/dialup/wireless connection your using to access the Internet…not free.

The backbone networks that make up the Internet…not free.

The server publishing the website page you are reading…not free.

The Internet is one enormous commercial enterprise. Someone pays for all of it.
The server
hiyow

gogo private sites
Sceptre

The 1st real discussion topic for the US. I been waiting to see something like this and here it is.

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while adding that this issue would most likely result in a “fight with ISPs”.

endquote

Wow he didn’t mention a fight from the people. Pretty bitch boy…

On the other hand this is why I don’t vote. It’s one or the other and they both don’t do much at all. Anything they try to do is nullified by others. I hate watching my country go further downhill. Public filesharing will be gone again. Like before Napster took it to the world. Time to go back to those days it would seem.
anon

I say, cut these bastards off from the internet completly, you file a case, you get disconected for being an asshole, thats the rule we should have, then after all of you smart deputy assholes get disconnected, i wonder maybe then ul realise what you are forcing on society. CUT OBAMAS PHONE LINE (+ dsl) -.- fibreoptic and whatnot >.> and burn his cellphone!
me

#148: “Ok turds, the Internet is NOT free and you don’t have a RIGHT to access it.”

You are confusing “free” as in “free beer” and “free” as in “a right”.

Of course the Internet isn’t free of costs — being a huge machine that consumes electricity and needs to be taken care of by professionals.

But Internet-ACCESS is a RIGHT in some countries like Finland and Estonia, and more to come.
mrx

Obama is a lying, piece of crap politician. There’s no point in even listening to anything he has to say. He was put in power by the leftists that run Hollywood, if they want him to do something, he’ll step and fetch for them. He just has to figure out a way to do it where it won’t hurt his reelection bid. He probably told them to wait til his second term and he’d knock it out for them. If this bullshit passes, we need to report everyone involved for copyright violations until they get thrown off by their own system, including Mr. Obama and his family.
me

Obama’s and Biden’s stance w.r.t. copyright is hardly surprising. Isn’t it an old tradition in the US that the Republicans support Big Oil while the Democrats support Big Entertainment?
Anonymous
Anonymous

@ 138 Mar 13, 2010 at 02:19 by Gabriel Unger

STFU!! GTFO of here you hypocrite. You can’t be on this site if you’ve never downloaded torrents which i guarantee must include copyrighted content & or warez… So don’t f**kin lie ya loser!
Steve

Why wait? Start the revolution NOW, you do not NEED what they are selling so stop buying their product and put them out of business. Don’t consume any of their content. Don’t buy CD’s, DVD’s, or go see movies. Simply stop their cash flow and eliminate them that way.
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anon

This Will Fail!! File sharing LIVES( STOP CALLING IT PIRACY!) Damn Hollywerid
Amazing

#5: “All you Americans thought it was soooo funny when it happened in France and the UK.”

Yeah. All 307 million of us got together over a very large pot of coffee and thought this as a collective.
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air head

u.s.a. #1 pirate country.
Bill

this is just a case of somebody putting their dick in the mashed potatoes again.
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Yatti420

And remember kids.. When you download make sure you have an ipfilter loaded into utorrent and peerblock configured correctly..
User Loser

Obummer
The Neutral Sign Painter

For boredom TorrentFreak has a fix
Start up a topic on politics
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And social disgrace
Will throw themselves into the mix
Eric

The only change I believe in is a politicians ability to change his platform after he is elected
DJ Raizer

“I kind of think half of you are retarded, most of the people who already posted are just here to add another way they can call obama retarded, i’m for piracy, but god damn you guys act like you’re insulted, you are stealing from artist, give them a break, they’re making a plan, nothing has happend yet, so why are you so much on edge people? relax.”

Well put. people dont realize the we ARE stealing. you cant deny it, and if you try to you are dumb. I steal movies, songs, and games, but i acnowledge that it is a crime.
File sharing is a loophole, and it will eventually be closed. media piracy will always exist, but i fear the golden age is coming to an end.
halocursed

Here is the problem. The RIAA and the music industry status quo provides jobs for the old and powerful. Fighting the RIAA makes you a champion for the younger generation. Guess who votes and donates money and who doesnt. (http://gameranx.com)
me

#DJ Raizer: “people dont realize the we ARE stealing.”

Repeat after me: “Copyright infringement is NOT stealing.” It is a completely different thing in Law.

#DJ Raizer: “I steal movies, songs, and games, but i acnowledge that it is a crime.”

If you steal them from a bricks and mortar store, it is a crime. If you share them on a P2P network, it may or may not be considered a crime, depending on the legislation you’re in.
President Obama Discusses Three Strikes Anti-Piracy Law

i vote this presdient but he keep allowing jew and jewish ageanda . jews have both rebpulican and demcroact in there back pocket, jews run own the media, insurence company, banks, pharamecical company, the own and run few politicans. death to all jews.Ari Emanuel is fithly ugly jew.
Imistestali

hot nude coeds
meh

we will continue to pirate and plunder the high seas.
Anonymous

@169

well said!
At least I am honest

You people are fucking morons who think that freedom = entitlement to do whatever the fuck you want and steal whatever comes across your path. I torrent just like everyone here but I am honest about it and don’t shroud it in some dance about Freedom and the Net. Fight the system if you will but like the few honest-about-stealing-posts here and there, grow some balls and admit what you do.
What

What is the big deal if I torrent a movie. I pay my $14.95 to Netflix. It’s not like I am getting my hands on something I didn’t pay for. I am just getting quicker and in a more flexible format.
ANON

If my internet gets shut off I will need to find a way to pass the time.
I suppose I could become an arsonist and start fires in the electronic departments of retail stores. Burning CDS/DVDS/GAMES et cetra…

That could keep me entertained if I should be without interwebs
Haters Gonna Hate

@175

I agree
Intrigued

This whole argument is very interesting to me. So many different sides.
Those attacking Obama.
Those defending Obama.
Those saying this is our right.
Those saying we are stealing.
Okay let’s put things into perspective as far as Obama or any politicians are concerned. Right or left, conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat, they are all bought and paid for by the same people. Every single year. Both parties are exactly the same. You can point out that Democratic politicians are against this so called “War” that is going on over in the desert and yet Obama just recently voted for a troop surge. He has also done nothing to change Bush’s torture policy. What laws have changed with different parties in office? The Patriot act (the most disgusting thing that could have ever happened to Americans) would have happened regardless of whether Bush was in office or Obama. Nothing changes. All the people that complain and don’t vote because it is a waste of time really need to vote for a different party! All the people that only vote for right or left simply because they feel their vote would be wasted need to vote for a third party!

And as far as the stealing argument goes…
What a load of hogwash. How in the world can you complain about me stealing a couple of movies when I have to pay 13 for a movie ticket? Or 30 for a brand new Blue-Ray Disc? Who is the thief? Let’s compare box office records to other businesses since this “depression” and see who has fared the best. I would wager that one could make a very strong argument stating that piracy has kept both the music and movie industries profitable.
ruben

i don’t see why this is a shocking to anyone? the stupid idiots who voted for obama asked for this. You guys wanted socialisim in america. This is what all the liberal democrats want, POWER! They want to take your freedom and privacy away!! First they socialize our health care now they want to take away our internet. WAKE UP !!!!! VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVES!! THEY STAND FOR FREEDOM!!!! NOVEMBER 2010 – 2012 vote out every democrat and get some real Americans in the white house!!

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