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Proposal Suggests Browsers Should Block Users From BitTorrent Sites

As the United States heads off firmly down the domain seizures route, other countries around the world are also considering how best to deal with the issue of online piracy. Blocking sites via the web’s DNS system has been high on the agenda but doubts exist over its effectiveness. A suggestion coming out of Europe this week would mean that malware filtering in web browsers like Internet Explorer, Firefox and Chrome would do the dirty work.

For years the entertainment industries’ have been attacking services that provide access to illicit content, such as Napster, Kazaa, LimeWire or any one of the now-defunct BitTorrent trackers. These efforts have run in parallel with trying to scare users away from such sites.

In recent times, however, it has become increasingly clear that these strategies aren’t working. Suing Internet users proved both ineffective and counter-productive and sites like The Pirate Bay, isoHunt and Newzbin simply refuse to give in, despite the studios throwing millions of dollars away trying to destroy them.

So, if sites are to remain online and users refuse to stop accessing them, it’s time for a new plan – get in the middle of sites and their users and physically stop them from communicating with each other.

In the UK, while the faltering Digital Economy Act stumbles around in its own mess, discussions behind the scenes are focused on the entertainment companies and ISPs formulating a voluntary code to have domain names conveniently blocked.

UK communications watchdog Ofcom is currently considering whether or not website blocking is actually feasible, but other countries who already have experience of such measures have decided that it probably isn’t. One of those is Denmark, a country already subjected to court-ordered ISP DNS blocks of both The Pirate Bay and Russian MP3 vendor, AllofMP3.com, various foreign gambling sites and illicit pharmaceutical vendors.

This week, an MPs consultation on blocking sites has been underway in Denmark. There was a broad consensus that DNS blocking is easily circumvented and is therefore not a viable solution to the problem. So where is there left to go?

During the consultation, Niels Elgaard Larsen, Chairman of the IT-Political Association, suggested an alternative – enhanced browser malware filtering.

“We know of course that when Internet Explorer, Firefox or Chrome visits a page with a virus, we get a warning that there is virus on the site. This is not filtered by the network, but by browser vendors who maintain lists of viral sites, which then sit in the browser,” Larsen subsequently told Computerworld.

“One must of course be critical of suppliers’ blacklists, but it is much smarter that users have a list of banned sites in their browsers because the approach both warns users and respects their privacy,” he added.

Who has the authority to place domains on such a list is a whole new can of problematic worms, but the idea has received cross-party support with Liberal IT spokesman Michael Aastrup-Jensen suggesting that the issue should be raised at the EU level. To have the required effect, he added, agreement and support must be sought from, among others, the United States.

Of course, the United States has its own take on the issue. Rather than blocking domain names it has simply been seizing them, but even that hasn’t had the required effect.

It’s not inconceivable, however, if one looks far enough down the road and amalgamates the UK, Danish and US approaches (voluntary blocking, court-ordered DNS blocks, enhanced ‘malware’ type web browser blocks and domain seizures) it could become quite difficult to access many piracy-related domains.

But this statement is only true for the layman and no matter what route is taken, ways around these blocks will be found by the tech-savvy. Indeed, it’s an absolute certainty that new products and services will appear immediately to circumvent all of these measures.

So as they look to their ideal future of an Internet filtered in their favor, the entertainment industries will find their magic numbers when taking the numbers of subscribers who can’t understand or be bothered learning how to get around blocks, and adding up how many of those will head off to authorized media sources instead. Will it be worth all the effort?

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  • Derp

    For anyone who speaks danish, the full hearing can be seen here:

    http://www.ft.dk/webtv/video/20101/uvt/H1.aspx?as=1

  • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

    Seizure has already been bypassed, don’t by a US domain, even if they all do it you still have Tor domains.

    DNS block…use another DNS.

    IP block…use a VPN…

    • George

      Yes all the sites taken offline by the government agencies/etc should be put back up on freenet. I am thinking about doing this. Heck the web was great when it was first started. They said add what you want. People did that then later the US had a meeting and said that if the internet is going to be a place of business, then they have to clean it up. About 2 months later the ls raids which tons of other sites went down (ripple effect). We did not get a backbone (the internet) until tpb guys said fu and stood up. This should have been done way be4 but better later than never as it took a while for someone to stand up. Anyways they did cave to pressure and took away the new model uploads which sucked but well, now we can use somewhere else to upload those. About 5 years worth of upload work was lost when they removed them so hopefully they were all mirrored as everything should be. Mirror as much as you can.

  • Lieu

    Then again, they could just take the route of taking all this money they are wasting and using it to provide competitive services. Contrary to popular belief the majority of pirates are not going to the sites for free content but for features they cannot find legitimately. ‘Try before you buy’, DRM free downloads, choice of codecs, post-cinema releases and direct-to-pc downloads (in lieu of streaming services) not to mention bypassing the never ending stream of self-promoting trailers that are contained on cheap DVD’s.

    Additionally where is the concept of purchasing a ‘license’ when purchasing media? Why, when I already own a DVD do I have to pay the same cost as somebody who doesn’t when buying a Blu-Ray?

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      It’s about censoring the internet, not profit.

      • Momo

        It’s about both.

        Corporations want enough control of the internet for economic reasons, while governments want control of the internet for political reasons (i.e. censorship). They decided to work together: corporations put in the money and an excuse (copyright), politicians put in the laws and the means (ICE etc).

        Bottom line, it’s the rich and powerful vs the people… where the people in the know have been labeled “pirates” because they are thieves and terrhurists (of course).

      • Anonymous

        It’s about censoring the internet for imaginary profit by safeguarding imaginary property.

        • Ah-ha-ha-ha

          Sometimes I imagine I live in a Jelly (jello) Fortress of Solitude like in Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs… are you telling me I can’t safeguard this?

          Bugger.

        • Ah-ha-ha-ha

          Sometimes I imagine I live in a Jelly (jello) Fortress of Solitude like in Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs… are you telling me I can’t safeguard this?

          Bugger.

    • Thefuturesoundoflondon_uk

      Good point on the ‘self promoting trailers’ I never thought of that

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      I’ve been saying that for years about new format reacquisition. Either we own a licence to watch the film or we own it outright. It seems we own neither. I’d love a scheme by where I can take all my DVD’s into a certified store and pay for *just the cost of production* plus say 10% rather than apparently rewarding the rights holders etc etc all over again. I own some albums on 3 formats already, some films on two. I’ve grown so weary of the bullshit money grabbing of media companies whilst pleading poverty.

      This could be extended and maybe when you go and pay £10 at the cinema you get say £7 from the price of the DVD or blu-ray, your ticket bearing a unique code on it which can be accepted by the leading stores.

      I’ve given up going to the cinema due to the costs involved (and also that at the same time they employ kids who are clearly on minimum wage) and the general don’t give a fuck attitude in the look and feel of the place. Cinema when I were a lad was an experience now it’s a conveyor belt and a damn sight more expensive, every time I get tempted to see a film, maybe 3 times a year, the prices have risen. The risk of seeing a bad movie is too high, I like to know a film is good before I go get it, especially when studios bullshit their asses off when it comes to publicizing the film.

      I’d love to know firstly the break down of where the money goes of say the recent blu-ray release of Lord of the Rings or one of the many many other films rereleased this last 12 months;

      Then I’d like to know what the production costs are and, additionally what country it was made in and how much the people actually making the product are paid;

      Then finally I’d like to know why movie companies don’t have their own mail order services for their products rather than me having to pay a third party company to bring it to their warehouse, count it then put it in an envelope and send it to me and have it cost me another few %.

      Any chance of TF getting all journalistic on these Qs?

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      I’ve been saying that for years about new format reacquisition. Either we own a licence to watch the film or we own it outright. It seems we own neither. I’d love a scheme by where I can take all my DVD’s into a certified store and pay for *just the cost of production* plus say 10% rather than apparently rewarding the rights holders etc etc all over again. I own some albums on 3 formats already, some films on two. I’ve grown so weary of the bullshit money grabbing of media companies whilst pleading poverty.

      This could be extended and maybe when you go and pay £10 at the cinema you get say £7 from the price of the DVD or blu-ray, your ticket bearing a unique code on it which can be accepted by the leading stores.

      I’ve given up going to the cinema due to the costs involved (and also that at the same time they employ kids who are clearly on minimum wage) and the general don’t give a fuck attitude in the look and feel of the place. Cinema when I were a lad was an experience now it’s a conveyor belt and a damn sight more expensive, every time I get tempted to see a film, maybe 3 times a year, the prices have risen. The risk of seeing a bad movie is too high, I like to know a film is good before I go get it, especially when studios bullshit their asses off when it comes to publicizing the film.

      I’d love to know firstly the break down of where the money goes of say the recent blu-ray release of Lord of the Rings or one of the many many other films rereleased this last 12 months;

      Then I’d like to know what the production costs are and, additionally what country it was made in and how much the people actually making the product are paid;

      Then finally I’d like to know why movie companies don’t have their own mail order services for their products rather than me having to pay a third party company to bring it to their warehouse, count it then put it in an envelope and send it to me and have it cost me another few %.

      Any chance of TF getting all journalistic on these Qs?

  • Guest

    Block in the browser? Please. Might work for MPAA bitches like microsoft and google but firefox is maintained by people who by their very nature hate copyright trolls. Even if they do add it, it will be opt-in ;)

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      Chromium is open-source so it won’t work their either.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SNEGX3IQKOO47C67A3UCS2VBVU Don_Maxis

        …and so is SeaMonkey, Konqueror, K-Meleon, Epiphany, lynx, Iron and the hundreds more obscure browsers… Basically anything other than IE.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

          There’s a part of me that yearns for a simpler time and really wants to go back to using lynx, I admit.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

          Chances are if you pirate, than you probably don’t use IE.

          Exceptions have been made though, in my case, I can’t really be bothered importing my favorites list over to Firefox….=(

        • maxi

          It’s possible to automatically import your favorites, right after installing Firefox this option will be presented to you.

  • sb

    Only problem is as soon as they roll it out for firefox/chrome (if they roll it out of course, which I doubt), someone will make an add-on that circumvents it.

  • buglle

    Block in the browser? Please. Maybe it´s better block brain instead? Soon they propose to block open source system… oh my, |-].

  • http://profiles.google.com/philip.oconnell.tech Philip O’Connell

    I guess we are about to go from AdBlockPlus to FilterBlockPlus?

  • EvilHom3r

    >”This is not filtered by the network, but by browser vendors who maintain lists of viral sites, which then sit in the browser,”

    Either he doesn’t understand the phishing/malware filter fully, or just gave a poorly worded description of it. Firefox and Chrome use Google’s safe browsing filter lists, which are downloaded periodically from Google. Internet Explorer uses Microsoft’s SmartScreen technology, which (I believe) uses both lists from Microsoft and active scanning techniques to detect unreported attack sites. All three browsers have options to disable the filter.

    Even on the VERY rare chance a browser does (probably by force) implement the site censorship, the browser would lose its user base almost immediately. Such censorship would be easily circumvented, and would be a fruitless attempt (just like every other method the copyright dictators have attempted).

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      What? People still use the Evil Empire’s IE (ie Internet Explorer)?

      AAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahah …..

      • Paul

        I use it.

        Oh ok, sort of a lie there lol, only after a clean install and then to download firefox!

      • Donotreply

        IMO the biggest IE users are work places with strict ICT policies that won’t allow employees to install other software, including alternate web browsers.

        • Tishgamika

          yes and that is exactly the places where I do search xxx, sex, etc and then when they question me, I say I did it just because I don’t agree with filters etc. Of course this was after I took the job and they then said “oh yes use the internet “we monitor all internet use” after the fact. If any place tells me this before I work there, well find someone else, I refuse to work for you because your a dush. Can I monitor your communication is the same thing I ask them.

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  • Paul

    They can bollox!!

  • Adam

    So, lets just ignore the proposal and bet on how many seconds/minutes the sites will stay blocked after the browser filtering is released before anyone releases a hack. My bet is 2 minutes and 35 seconds.

    • IDIOCRACY

      You’re on, I say the hack will be released before the system is actually implemented, say 0 sec.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        I’ll bet even money that in speaking you were already too late and that several different versions of circumventing a hardcoded browser-native blocklist already exists.

        For Chrome and firefox you are already after-the-fact as both of these browsers specifically allow you to add trusted domains manually which means the “add-on” is just a list of ip ranges and/or DNS names…

        Any software modification imaginable already obeys a subset of rule 34.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        I’ll bet even money that in speaking you were already too late and that several different versions of circumventing a hardcoded browser-native blocklist already exists.

        For Chrome and firefox you are already after-the-fact as both of these browsers specifically allow you to add trusted domains manually which means the “add-on” is just a list of ip ranges and/or DNS names…

        Any software modification imaginable already obeys a subset of rule 34.

    • IDIOCRACY

      You’re on, I say the hack will be released before the system is actually implemented, say 0 sec.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    I am already blocking my wallet towards the purchase of any new MAFIAA
    stuff

    Buy it Used I Say and to hell with MAFIAA

  • Herbert

    if something has been tried elsewhere before and failed, you can bet your bottom dollar that the UK will implement that self same thing. also, what about all the legal files that are available on sites that may or may not be accused of offering so-called illegal files? which part of the entertainment industry is going to deem that a site should be blocked, because they will be the ones making the decisions? if they have their way, there will be no sites available on the internet at all!!

    • Anonymous

      This comment has been blocked by your browser for possible illegal content.

      • DanielRemains

        Epic comment.

      • Yeahright

        WINNING!

      • Yeahright

        WINNING!

    • Tia

      The legal files still mattered to many host. I have seen lots of legal files removed by “dmca request”. Its an abuse of the system

  • Herbert

    if something has been tried elsewhere before and failed, you can bet your bottom dollar that the UK will implement that self same thing. also, what about all the legal files that are available on sites that may or may not be accused of offering so-called illegal files? which part of the entertainment industry is going to deem that a site should be blocked, because they will be the ones making the decisions? if they have their way, there will be no sites available on the internet at all!!

  • Herbert

    if something has been tried elsewhere before and failed, you can bet your bottom dollar that the UK will implement that self same thing. also, what about all the legal files that are available on sites that may or may not be accused of offering so-called illegal files? which part of the entertainment industry is going to deem that a site should be blocked, because they will be the ones making the decisions? if they have their way, there will be no sites available on the internet at all!!

  • Nick

    Well that seems rather stupid….do they realize that there is quite a large number of browsers apart form the main 3. Safari, Opera, Kmelon, Maxthon, Camio, SeaMonkey, ICab, and a hell of a lot more I saw on Wikipedia. Not to mention that both Firefox and Chromium are open source….
    Also Google seems rather critical of censorship and would probably not like to follow such an order…Firefox also would say no. Hmm, well I’m glad to see such a completely unworkable system being considered, good job.(ISP filtering is probably the only idea that makes sense, and even then there would be massive speed issues)

    • Anonymous

      Google.. critical of censorship??
      Hu Jintao begs to differ.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Montgomery/1006427452 Mark Montgomery

    The record industry is a joke. Their model of one CD for $18 is long dead and now ALL MUSIC IS FREE!!!!! Long live P2p apps like Frostwire where we can trade all the music we want. I dare the record industry to come after me! Mark Montgomery NYC, NY boboberg@nyc.rr.com

    • All recorded music is Free.

      This type of monopoly on recorded music is only relatively recent in the history of music. Artists make much more from live performances, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we go completely back to a system of performances. Recorded music will become a type of advertising once it is accepted that people will always find a way to share music.

      Copy and paste revolutionized the concept of supply and demand.

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        Excellent phrase my friend, and in fact, it’s so delightfully true I’m gonna have to c&p it –

        “Copy and paste revolutionized the concept of supply and demand.”

        teehee

  • Lulz

    Wow… such fail. There’s more browsers than those three and there are browsers you can download the source for and compile yourself!

    Why do we have such morons running shit? We pay these people insane amounts of money for -nothing- because they act quite stupid.

  • Etonian football hooligan

    Use open source.
    Fuck ICANN.
    Anyone who wants to control/censor/filter/tinker with the internet, is your enemy, and they are my enemy.
    Be they religious, financial, political entities, if they want to take it away, it is because they plot against you and yours, and every peasant on the planet will feel the thumb of oppression.

    Did I just say that?

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      lol, excellent nick btw :)

  • Peter Mandelsons Corpse

    Tesco never gave me any money.
    Lockerbie briber, sorry, bomber?
    I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    (MY GOD IM A MONSTER….)

  • Peter Mandelsons Corpse

    Tesco never gave me any money.
    Lockerbie briber, sorry, bomber?
    I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    (MY GOD IM A MONSTER….)

  • Jigsy

    Brilliant.

    I can just see Firefox, Chrome, et all quite willing to destroy their user base with censorship.

    Oh, no, sorry, I can’t.

    Besides, even if they tried, someone would always create another open source browser and they’d be back where they start it.

    Forget it, MAFIAA, you’re not going to win.

  • Jigsy

    Brilliant.

    I can just see Firefox, Chrome, et all quite willing to destroy their user base with censorship.

    Oh, no, sorry, I can’t.

    Besides, even if they tried, someone would always create another open source browser and they’d be back where they start it.

    Forget it, MAFIAA, you’re not going to win.

  • Anonymous

    Ahahahahaha, hilarious! Change Firefox and Chrome? These chumps have no idea what they’re talking about. Do they seriously not know what open-source software is? Even if they got their wish and the blocking code was added, people would just remove the code and release nuisance-free versions. (Proof: SRWare Iron, which I’m using right now.)

    Why are these idiots running a country? They should be running a gas station.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      They are running a country because they CAN’T run a gas station.
      Politics is phase 3 for the terminally unemployable. An alternative to having them spend years in the soup kitchen line.

    • Paul

      Careful, they will be going after open source next.

      • Closed Source

        Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if they went after the concept of Open Source as a method of restricting competition as well as to implement this sort of censorship. They’d probably hide it under the guise of protecting US citizens from cyber-terrorism, or use some other catch phrase that scares many stupid people.

      • Closed Source

        Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if they went after the concept of Open Source as a method of restricting competition as well as to implement this sort of censorship. They’d probably hide it under the guise of protecting US citizens from cyber-terrorism, or use some other catch phrase that scares many stupid people.

        • Momn

          Last year the IIPA (which includes our friends the MPAA) suggested that open source software is as bad a piracy and recommend that countries that embrace open source software should be put on a special watch list.

          No, really… :|

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          That’s because all open source developers, users, and their kids are evil communists and MUST be stomped upon before they destroy our whole economy.

          Mwuuhahahahah

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SNEGX3IQKOO47C67A3UCS2VBVU Don_Maxis

          …In other news, a computer exploded into flames this morning at a local library and seriously burned 3 children after they downloaded something called Open Source Software…

          …The children who have not been identified have been taken to West Memorial Hospital, and all three are reported to be in critical condition…

          …A local mother is calling for government regulations concerning Open Source Software after a similar incident nearly killed her daughter at her middle school…

          [and later...]

          …A government funded research report concluded that Terrorists had hacked into computers across the United States and used them to “Overclock”, causing them to explode violently. The report also revealed the use of Open Source Software by the Terrorists, along with the help of Home Grown Developers. The government is working with computer manufacturers such as Intel and AMD to fix the “Overclock” bug exploited by the Terrorists. An FBI joint-committee task force found that the “Overclock” bug is found on computer chips with frequencies higher than 1Ghz…

          …I.C.E. has temporarily stopped all computer chip imports from Japan, China, and the Middle East. With the help of I.C.E., Intel and AMD are recalling all computer chips manufactured with a frequency higher than 1Ghz – only a small fraction of computers according to the report – mainly used by Hackers, Terrorists, and Home Grown Developers…

          Ah… what they could do with the media… and the masses.

        • Scrabble

          Messing round with that FireFoss plugin again no doubt…

        • anon

          I see you’ve been watching Fox News again.

        • Paul

          It makes you wonder what goes on in those tiny politicians brains. I think they get signals beamed to them from another planet, as they sure aren’t clued up to this one.

          If they start messing with open source there will be uproar. Anyway i don’t think it’s possible, not with millions of computers connected to the internet and anyone able to upload their own software. Too much money to police that.

          (enigmax, why does your spell checker think ‘internet’ is spelt wrong?)

    • DocGerbil100

      Honestly? I don’t want to see these people in posession of a disposible cigarette lighter, never mind industrial quantities of an explosively flammable liquid. :P

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Think I’ll that a go myself now. Thanks.

      http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Think I’ll that a go myself now. Thanks.

      http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php

  • Mdh4313

    wtf!?????

    also even though its still bypassable

  • dlj

    Ha ha ha, this would never, ever work, because the browsers are open source and I have the code myself, if they try it I will personally release the browsers without this crap on them.

  • Cavelord

    This is cool. Can they also block Gay Porn, Animal Sex, Aryan race, Anyone named Jessica, kittens, cats, small breasted women, girls with big butts, insurance ads, ads for viagra, and nude photos of Betty White, Who do I have to bribe to get this started? Oh sorry, donate….I also think every web page should have a 20 second commerical at the start. They could implement that too….in the browsers. Or a suggested website, ICE could makes tons, if they got endorsements from companies to route the “illegal” websites to a paid advertisements websites. Thinking outside the box….the american way!.

    • Say NO to nude hags

      Blocking nude pictures of Betty White isn’t a bad idea. Go, MAFIAA! =)))

    • Say NO to nude hags

      Blocking nude pictures of Betty White isn’t a bad idea. Go, MAFIAA! =)))

      • Bengay

        My peter is hard. Suck it!

    • Rekrul

      This is cool. Can they also block Gay Porn, Animal Sex, Aryan race, Anyone named Jessica…

      If they do that, how will I be able to get to SpankingTeenJessica? :(

  • Atmleb

    who is the genius who suggested using an open source browsers to block the “bad” websites??

  • Atmleb

    who is the genius who suggested using an open source browsers to block the “bad” websites??

  • Naapurimaan asukki

    One reason more why use the fastest multi page browser Opera. If they can continue making it the best of the best in Norway,

  • Quest

    It is easy appear immediately to circumvent all of these measures. Simply start use pirate browsers which don’t have any block/black list in copyright violation sites :)

    • Anonymous

      The hackers already made a browser to ensure people remain anonymous while browsing the web. I currently forget the name but they certainly would not add a filter.

      • Anonymous

        Would that be SR Iron?
        Current version is based on Chromium V10

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        The black version of this is pretty cool *thumbsup

        http://www.browzar.com/index.html

        • Donotreply

          No installer either by the look of it; so long as a companies ICT policies does not prevent the running of an exe file it would be perfect for employees in such companies.

        • http://twitter.com/Lirodon Lirodon

          “based off the Internet Explorer engine”

          nice try guys

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

    if you let this happen.. nothing will change (except which browser is used).. if you support the copyright industry you will (some time in the future) have to fill out a form, mail it, pay for a license to speak, because someone holds a copyright to that structure of letters -> words -> sentences, probably because it has been used in a song, which you can’t give away (even partially) to others without having bought the rights to do so….

    please think about who you’re giving power too, humans corrupt everything they’re in charge of..
    (democracy = everyone votes on everything.. no leader possible | humans + democracy = everyone in an area votes on someone to vote for all of them, who will be bribed to vote something else… leader is the one with money)

    • lala

      and remember when you hear a good song and is sort of “stuck in your head” well you have to pay for that since you are making unauthorised copies in your neurons.
      unless you want to be a criminal stealing from the poor hungry artists who can’t afford the brand new Lamborghini.

  • Anonymous

    If they go to the EU with this idea they will get laughed at. Downloading is not illegal in all EU countries and for example the Dutch will never implement this. Lets write a virus that fixes this problem… lol.

  • Retarded Solution

    Bypassed. Everyone simply rename .torrent to .txt. Let’s see how are they going to block sites with text

    • Anonymous

      Their aim is to block the sites that support copyright infringement and not the actual content. This also means that much legal content would also be filted out at the same time.

    • Anonymous

      Their aim is to block the sites that support copyright infringement and not the actual content. This also means that much legal content would also be filted out at the same time.

  • Anonymous

    As other posters have already pointed out this may seem like a nice idea on the surface to them but dig deep and it is totally unworkable.

    Browsers are just not into censorship, including bomb making instructions and pedo porn, when they just do their job and provide a censorship free world. Even their malware warning is just a warning and can be bypassed seconds later should the user choose to ignore that warning. That like in my case is ok if you have a good anti-virus software installed with anti-malware support.

    If they try to filter these browsers then it is sure to end up in long drawn out court cases lasting years not just because of forced censorship but also being about anti-competative regulation. Even if they still won then it would just mean more browsers switching to open source.

    What would they do then if a new censored version is released along with the source code that someone else within the hour removes the filter? My point is that it is even LEGAL for them to advertise where the censor-free version can be downloaded.

    My point at the end of this is that this browser censor plan we pirates should strangely SUPPORT when these pro-copyright people will only waste months or years on this flawed plan going head to head with major anti-censors in some some sweet battles where the more they push the more organizations would align to our side.

    So better they waste time on this plan than something more realistic.

  • Whatever

    So open source browsers will contain more or less the following lines…

    some browser code
    ….
    some more browsercode
    ….
    ;Delete this section if you don’t want the anti p2p-filter mandatory in many countries.
    ;Disclaimer: it may be illegal in your country to compile browser without this function.

    function or subroutine (filter mafiaa unapproved websites)
    “Go do some blocking”
    endoffunction

    ;End of anti p2p-filter section
    ….
    more browser code
    ….

    • Ruben Huges

      ./configure –no-blocklist
      make
      sudo make install

  • Whatever

    So open source browsers will contain more or less the following lines…

    some browser code
    ….
    some more browsercode
    ….
    ;Delete this section if you don’t want the anti p2p-filter mandatory in many countries.
    ;Disclaimer: it may be illegal in your country to compile browser without this function.

    function or subroutine (filter mafiaa unapproved websites)
    “Go do some blocking”
    endoffunction

    ;End of anti p2p-filter section
    ….
    more browser code
    ….

  • Strawb

    Just a quick notification to the people who are dumbfounded by the stupidity of the chairman’s suggestion: he has no real power whatsoever. He’s a chairman of a separate association that acts as a sparring partner of the political organs on the subject of IT and internet. There’s nothing real he can do; all he can do is make suggestions. What’s weird is that the association views itself as a fighter of control on the internet…..Kind of strange…

  • Strawb

    Just a quick notification to the people who are dumbfounded by the stupidity of the chairman’s suggestion: he has no real power whatsoever. He’s a chairman of a separate association that acts as a sparring partner of the political organs on the subject of IT and internet. There’s nothing real he can do; all he can do is make suggestions. What’s weird is that the association views itself as a fighter of control on the internet…..Kind of strange…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    And this, class is called “groupthink”.

    This is the same bad ideas that were filtered around during the DMCA, along with blowing up your computers, and sending out rootkit malware.

    So this not only shows horrific ineptitude, it also shows that the industry, DOESN’T LEARN A THING FROM HISTORY!

  • DontKnow

    FFS.. I thought it was already implemented…
    I can’t post comments using firefox on DISQUS. (within last few hours)

    Dont know what the issue is. Anyone else have the same issue ?

    • jack.ss

      To write this reply I had to use IE instead of my Opera browser, sometimes it works with Opera but most of the time it doesn’t. Today it didn’t..

      Enigmax, could it be possible to fix so I can use my normal browser?

      • Anonymous

        It should work just fine. I’m a MASSIVE Opera user (since version 7) and I’ve had no problems.

        • Whatever

          I was having trouble yesterday too on both shiretoko (firefox x64) and opera. Most of the time there was no place to type, sometimes there was.

          I thought it was due to reloading pages, don’t know today as it is the first comment i try (and will reboot computer for unrelated reasons afterwards so anything after will also not be a fair test).

        • DontKnow

          Works now… as before… using Firefox.

          But it really didn’t work yesterday. I haven’t turned my computer off or anything.
          I doubt that I have even restarted my browser.
          ( i did restart my browser several times to try to fix the issue yesterday)

          The problem was that the white “” reply / comment BOX “” didn’t expand.
          It was stuck as a very thin white line , smaller than the height of a character..
          You couldn’t click into it.

          Anyway. It works now.

    • yep

      The issue was Disqus, not the browser. I had the same problem in both Firefox and Chromium. Now everything is fine.

  • SableSlayer

    lol its not going to work. Firefox is opensource and im sure you could easily strip that shit out of it anyways.

  • cyberpirate

    they forget that any developer worth his salt can write a browser. whats to stop me from making my own browser and uploading it? in addition to this, some torrent clients have browsers catered to torrents built right into them

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      well duh, of course they do. and I’m sure it would take some bright spark all of minutes to work out a little downloading program to get that days list of torrents.

      should we be scared yet?

      nope

  • yeah…

    These people do realize that the “report malware” feature of Firefox is optional and can be turned off by a simple unticking of a checkbox in the Options window? What am I asking, of course they don’t. So if by some strange happening the torrent indexers do appear on the malware list, people will just untick that option. Giving them not only access to the torrent sites, but also potentially exposing them to malware. Great work politicians, really! Bravo!

  • http://twitter.com/philippelandry Philippe Landry

    It’ll never happen. I’ll compile chromium or firefox from source and remove this crap.

  • Erthwjim

    Here’s something they fail to realize as well, just because the layman can’t figure out how to get around all these various methods, doesn’t mean the layman won’t talk to to the more technical savy friend and have that person either setup things on their computer for them or just have that friend get everything they need anyways.

  • Erthwjim

    Here’s something they fail to realize as well, just because the layman can’t figure out how to get around all these various methods, doesn’t mean the layman won’t talk to to the more technical savy friend and have that person either setup things on their computer for them or just have that friend get everything they need anyways.

  • T.Savvy

    As a tech savvy person it’s funny to see non tech savvy people grasping for way to undermine a system that was design to be open and neutral.
    You’d have to engineer a whole new Internet, except it wouldn’t be that, nor would anyone want to use it.

  • DocGerbil100

    That’s a magnificently unworkable suggestion! Even by the standards of the anti-piracy brigade, the costs and difficulties of implementing and maintaining such a system would be formidable, even without comparison to its very limited benefits.

    All this talk of ‘circumvention’ – why would that even be necessary? All anyone has to do to go completely unaffected by this is simply not update their browser – the only people likely to be affected in any way, shape or form would be the people least capable of using pirate sites in the first place.

    Longer term, I can’t even see software vulnerabilities becoming an issue for pirates – the Scene would presumably start turning out modified versions that get their updated features and security updates either via direct-download from trusted pirate sites, or from bit-torrent via a built-in p2p mini-client (such as the FireTorrent add-on for FireFox – not good for normal p2p usage, but with a few specialised changes, perfect for zero-cost browser updates).

    If the anti-piracy campaigners do manage to get this idea put into practise, it will be a spectacular and expensive own-goal.

    I actually hope this does happen – remember: the more money they waste on things that don’t work, the less they have to spend on something that does – and the more wasteful and foolish their strategies become in the eyes of the great and good. :D

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/108037014675127192334 Binary

    Agreeing to limit the browsing freedom of their users would be a Finger-Poke of Doom for any browser, since their user-base would immediately abandon them for a browser that doesn’t restrict them.

    Heck, that’s the point of Firefox in the first place – a greater freedom to surf the net as you want to.

  • Reason

    Everyone I know is basically broke at the end of the month, mortgage, car payments, TV, Internet, cell phones, taxes, gasoline, electricity, food, credit card payments and other stuff…

    What corporations do not understand is that consumers ARE BROKE and IN DEBT! Yet they still think it’s possible to squeeze more money out of them…

    When 1% of the richest people on earth own 90% of the wealth, how could they own even more? They bankrupted consumers and wonder why the cash cow isn’t giving anymore milk…

  • Reason

    Everyone I know is basically broke at the end of the month, mortgage, car payments, TV, Internet, cell phones, taxes, gasoline, electricity, food, credit card payments and other stuff…

    What corporations do not understand is that consumers ARE BROKE and IN DEBT! Yet they still think it’s possible to squeeze more money out of them…

    When 1% of the richest people on earth own 90% of the wealth, how could they own even more? They bankrupted consumers and wonder why the cash cow isn’t giving anymore milk…

  • anonymous

    Maxthon ftw. Good luck getting a Chinese company complying with your orders.

    • Don_Maxis

      But can’t China tell them to?

  • Savetheinternet

    File sharing liberties are at stake.
    Fight the power people !

  • Cujo

    the dude that suggests blocking sites with a browser is definitly a moron lol

  • Ulando

    Well I thought FF4 was going to be shit for a update, I haven’t upgraded yet, even as automatic as FF makes it (yes i have toggled off the automatic seeking for /downloading of updates), duely in part by the UAC in windows (the one thing it’s been good for). So if it is something they WILL do, then isn’t something we all can retreat to previous builds? if it is in place now, then aren’t we fucked already? (setting aside the usual work arounds for DNS/IP blocks)

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Will these MAFIAA fuckwits never learn? OK, let’s spell it out …

    1. There’s more of us than them.
    2. We rule the internet, not them.
    3. If we wanna share a copy of Bugs Bunny for free, we’ll do it – and they can’t stop us.
    4. Every attempt to stop us, will result in a better way to share for free.

    Case closed.
    Next …

  • Gae

    Do they really think that if they do all this, then suddenly everybody will start buying all their products?
    A friend of mine loaned me the use of his external hard drive and on it was folder after folder filled with downloaded music and movies. If I had to guess I would say if he had bought all of this then it would have cost him several thousand dollars. But the thing is, my friend is poor, he has trouble getting enough money to buy new clothes sometimes so I don’t see how he would have ever spend thousands on entertainment if he had to pay for it all. He probably wouldn’t even have bought 1% of it.

  • Anonymous

    Then I’ll just fork Firefox and remove all this crappy code, and put the more awesome version up on my website or something. (Probably have to remove the branding too)

  • God 3.0

    Posted by Enigmax on Saturday April 08, @11:07AM
    from: from the good-luck-with-that dept.

    :D

  • Izkata

    As I understand this proposed idea, ANY proxy – even one hosted on the same computer as the browser – will get around it.

  • Pud Comics

    It’s a good thing that Firefox is open sourced. These butt heads who are paying off the lawmakers with our cash that they received from us for their services are using it to enforce their will. No doubt Google Chrome and Internet Explorer will be on on their side too. Try this MAFIAA and we will work around your greediness.

  • Anon

    It will be kind of hard to impediment with the most popular browser amongst pirates being open source.

  • Borderliner

    Why would this be hard? There’s no need to alter any browsers, simply use the functionality that’s already there. Just tell Google to include URL “X” in their malwarelist and all applications that use the list will be blocking said URL. Simple & effective.

    There is one major problem though – if the blocking can be turned off (IIRC it can in all browsers) then users will do it… and loose protection against real malware sites. I wonder if those who proposed the filtering idea don’t care about such a possibility or are willing to take the risk just to further their cause. In which case they lose the right to call themselves “good guys”.

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  • in.cog.nito

    They are grasping at straws, how long will it take to make a freeware browser based on open technology? oh wait, there are already options lol

  • 1anonymous

    to be honest i can see AOL Chrome and IE doing this but i have a feeling that all the little open source browser wont go for it and i am pretty sure Firefox will just blatantly refuse to cooperate i mean for god sakes they have a plug in to bypass us domain seizures hosted on their official website LoL. but yeah it is just a matter of finding a new web browser or uninstalling the plugin

  • 1anonymous

    to be honest i can see AOL Chrome and IE doing this but i have a feeling that all the little open source browser wont go for it and i am pretty sure Firefox will just blatantly refuse to cooperate i mean for god sakes they have a plug in to bypass us domain seizures hosted on their official website LoL. but yeah it is just a matter of finding a new web browser or uninstalling the plugin

  • 1anonymous

    to be honest i can see AOL Chrome and IE doing this but i have a feeling that all the little open source browser wont go for it and i am pretty sure Firefox will just blatantly refuse to cooperate i mean for god sakes they have a plug in to bypass us domain seizures hosted on their official website LoL. but yeah it is just a matter of finding a new web browser or uninstalling the plugin

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