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Record Label Stops Signing Artists Because of Piracy

The Finnish record label Lion Music has announced that it will not sign any new musicians until politicians have managed to stop piracy. Illegal downloading is killing music, they say, and the label has rallied up its rock stars to spread the word.

Let’s be clear from the start. People who share music on the Internet actually buy more than those who don’t. The music library of the average music fan may have expanded a bit in the last decade thanks to file-sharing, but in the same time the number of sales have also skyrocketed.

Despite this, there will also be labels that perform badly for unrelated reasons. How convenient is it then, to blame evil file-sharers for your disappointing results. The Finnish hard rock label Lion Music is doing just that, with rather dramatic consequences.

Because of all the stealing and looting by Internet pirates, the label has decided not to sign any new acts until politicians have found a remedy.

“We are NOT able to sign more artists. No demos or masters you send us will be considered for release. We will NOT listen to any mp3 files or check out your websites and we will NOT respond to questions regarding releasing your album,” the label’s bosses write on their website.

“The illegal file sharing on the net is killing independent music. We are sorry about this situation but we are sure you are aware of what is going on,” the dramatic rant continues.

“Our demo policy will not change before our politicians have stopped the P2P sites. Illegal file sharing is not just about stealing from rich major companies. It is about killing independent music and making it impossible for many great musicians to have a chance to release albums and have a musical career even as a part time job.”

“Next time you consider downloading an album for free or adding new torrents please think of the impact you are having on the artists – would you like it if we came into your home and stole your pay check?”

The label’s bosses then go on to show various statistics of how many times the albums of their artists were pirated though an unnamed BitTorrent site, arguing that these downloads are responsible for their disappointing results.

To add to the drama the label has asked their musicians to write up their thoughts on piracy in a section called “The Murder of Music.”

One of the artists that penned up his thoughts on piracy is guitar hero Borislav Mitic. Mitic is just as gentle in his commentary as the label’s bosses.

“Just because you CAN download music for free today on the Internet doesn’t mean you SHOULD,” he writes. “You CAN also beat up an old lady on the street and steal her pension from her wallet … but somebody CAN beat you up too and do the same to you. Would you like this?”

According to Borislav, illegal downloading will lead to a “society of filthy, wild savages.” To those people who dare to continue stealing through BitTorrent sites he adds, “the blood will be on your hands…”

Those who have the courage to read the rest of the artist entries will be amazed at the hostile tone towards the readers, who they assume are pirates.

Don’t get us wrong. Despite research that points in the opposite direction, it could be that piracy is hurting the sales of Lion Music. But even if this was true, their way of bringing the message across is not going to help their cause, it will only alienate the fans.

A label taking completely the opposite stance, embracing both file-sharing and their fans, is Thorny Bleeder Records, who have just released the second volume of their free download series. Entitled Get Thorny 2, the album features new music from seventeen independent Canadian artists. (link to torrent on Mininova)

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  • Dimagus

    Good, maybe they’ll all go indie.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, -1 corporate greedy asshole. I’m all for it. Let them all call it quits.

  • Polly

    This will only widen the path for artists contemplating going independent. :)

  • Asdfjkl

    Indie bands FTW

  • Brian

    Thanks for the plug guys!

    If you’re reading these comments, make sure you swing by our site and grab yourself a free download of Get Thorny 2, featuring over an hour’s worth of killer brand new tunes. Total quality stuff with something for everyone….

    Grab it. Love it. Share it!

    It’s also posted on a whole bunch of torrent sites, so feel free to download it from there too.

    Here’s a link to Get Thorny 2 on Mininova:
    http://www.mininova.org/tor/3190066

    Peace, Love, and Rock!
    Brian

    Thorny Bleeder Records
    http://www.thornybleeder.com

  • Anonymous

    If illegal filesharing is killing music, it’s only because the labels’ antique business model is unable to survive in the digital age.

    A rough translation of what this guy is saying would be “So we finally have to face the fact that times are changing. We’re still stubborn and dumb, though, so we’d rather die than change our ways and keep making money. We shall be a martyr, and every other bloodsucking label out there can look upon us as a shining example of defiance in the face of technological innovation and progress.”

    It’s game over for the record labels… and they know it. The recording industry is the scummiest, most immoral collection of businesses I’ve ever heard of. Good riddance.

  • Anonymous

    Time’s up for labels…usher in the new system now please.

  • Rob

    Hope they [Lion Music] go away soon. :)

    The more you fight the free exchange of information and filesharing, the less relevant you become. Welcome to the modern era, enjoy your stay.

  • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

    The Finnish IFPI figures also show no downturn in music sales. the Finnish Pirate Party did some investigation into their numbers, and I ran a translation a few months ago – http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com/2009/05/finnish-pirate-party-study.html

  • Truther

    Makes sense to me: To make more money we will do less of what makes us money.

    Perfectly logical to me.

  • Brian

    PS – for those of you that support Thorny Bleeder Record for sharing free new music with everyone, join our Facebook Fan Page here and share it with your friends:

    http://www.facebook.com/thornybleeder

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, they must have lots of money saved to be able to pull off this bluff.

    Encourage indie artists, good riddance to the middle men(/people)

  • david

    the ashent guys statement is different from the others

  • Zush

    Boo hoo! No more making money with works that don’t belong to them!

  • Not Reseasable Mind

    Zush wrote:

    “Boo hoo! No more making money with works that don’t belong to them!”

    What a bluff by the filthy rich record labels. If everybody boycotts music from Lion Music and call their bluff that would be interesting.

    The number of sales are skyrocketing and they still want more…

  • what?

    Interesting how a non-leading tracker shows ~9000 downloads..

    while one of the two leading private music trackers show 5(!) downloads..

  • The Voice of Reason

    How exactly can filesharing kill music? how exactly can anything kill music? Music has been around for 100,000 years, long before recorded history and will survive long after the industry has collapsed. I really hope we do kill the industry off. Then we can build a better system in its place.

  • Anonymous

    interesting stuff. nice to see both sides are at least represented. neither really should have the right to bring about restrictive policy to stop the other. let torrents live. let greedy bastards have their way, with their OWN companies. let the consumer choose.

  • Have they any Mind?

    The Lion Music (about to go bust with their false allegation) should listen to it’s customers and Thorny Bleeder Records.

    Someone needs to keep an eye on their releases and see if they do release new album from new artists. It’s probably a propaganda, they probably aren’t getting any good artist signing up with them, so they decide to blame piracy = their loyal paying fans.

  • Stupid Record Labels

    How is file-sharing ever going to stop sales? Has Radio every affect sales? More like promoted the artist, increased album and single sales.

    They’re all liars. Greed can make you like that, I guess.

    The Rich just want to get RICHER!

  • O noez

    That’s actually a very good step indeed!

    And I hope more labels will follow it, and more known one, the big ones especially.

    Why? Because then the artist will realize they have to set up their own distribution, they’ll be independent from leeches like those labels.

    The artist will unite, they’ll create one or more distributing platforms where music actually can be sold and bought for a reasonable price. Where demos can be heard, where nobody is criminalized for wanting to pre-hear music before buying from an arist.

  • O noez

    And artist who can’t be bothered to spend time setting up their own distribution don’t deserve any respect from their fans, and are rightly to be doomed to fail.

  • M-RES

    Pirates aren’t killing music – Simon Cowell and his kind are killing music.

    Music would be better served without his kind and it certainly won’t suffer any ill effects from Lion Records collapsing. And let’s face facts – if they’re unwilling to change their outdated business model and in the meantime aren’t trying to follow even THAT model, then they ARE going to go bankrupt… it’s only a matter of time – and they’ll have successfully killed themselves.

    The upside to Lion going under is that the artists currently signed to their roster will be freed from their contractual obligations, will once again own their own music rights and can pursue a forward-looking future independently without worrying about the majority cut the ‘middleman’ is taking.

  • Anonymous

    “Record Label Stops Signing Artists Because of Piracy”

    No. It is because with internet artists don’t need them anymore.

  • Anonymous

    “We will NOT listen to any mp3 files or check out your websites and we will NOT respond to questions regarding releasing your album,”

    it is good because as corporate parasites who does not know anything about music or lyrics and who don’t care they are NOT authorized to listen to our MP3 files nor are they authorized to visit our official web site.

    Everyone is authorized to downlad our MP3 track except them.

    In fact they are specifically blocked by our web master according to their IPs addresses.

    We don’t need them to release any album because we can do it ourselves and because we don’t want to be associated in the mind of our fans with parasitism and greed.

    This will not changes.

    Sorry!

  • SirReal

    Thank you for calling me a wild savage. Now I feel like buying your album. NOT. Grow up, your music stinks, that’s why you cant sell it.

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  • Anonymous

    “To add to the drama the label has asked their musicians to write up their thoughts on piracy in a section called “The Murder of Music.”"

    is it murder when we eradicate a parasite?

  • M-RES

    “To add to the drama the label has asked their musicians to write up their thoughts on piracy in a section called “The Murder of Music.””

    So, they didn’t pre-frame the discussion through the carefully chosen title to that section of the site huh? Doesn’t really set out on an even footing to allow the artists to air their own views does it?

  • dPsychc

    Let’s fuck up this label! I ain’t ever buying anything from ‘em. I shall always remember their name.

  • Dexter

    “the blood will be on your hands…”

    mmm… I like blood…I like it alot..

  • Anonomous

    who gives a shit about finnish music?

  • Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Okay, let’s pretend for a minute that Lion Music is right.

    Are we supposed to feel remorse for killing these fucking assholes?

    If filesharing is putting people like them out of business I’d be downright proud to be causing their demise. Too bad filesharing isn’t destroying the industry in reality, as the first paragraph of this article points out.

    But I can still dream, can’t I?

  • Tigger

    Never heard of this record label…but now im off to download and seed as much of they’re stuff as possible =)

    On the other hand…I may very well see if i can find a donation website for Thorny 2 =)

    I love the way they compare P2P filesharing to “beating up an old lady on the street and stealing her pension” —-LOL!
    Does anyone see a ‘slight’ difference between the two?

    Ah well, im off to beat up some grannies =)

  • Number Monkey

    Is there comment moderation here?
    If so, please show my post. (Is there an automatic filter for stuff with links in it maybe?)

  • none

    I’ve downloaded music from a few of them artists. Profitable ones as well.

    Review your business model or go bust. Isn’t that always your choice in business?

  • Brian

    Hey Tigger,

    Thanks for checking out our stuff man! Hope you like.

    There’s two freebie albums for you to download, Get Thorny 2 was just released two days ago.

    And since you mentioned it, we DO have a PayPal Tip Jar if you want to make a donation! It’s on the download page here:

    http://www.thornybleeder.com/downloads.html

    And seed that torrent baby!

    Cheers!

  • Jeff

    Boy, talk about cutting off one’s nose to spite their face.

    Is Lion Records trying to commit suicide?

  • nonee

    lol @31

    @30, quite a few fans of that music, actually…

    … and lots other lolz and good comments

  • Nick

    The articles in the first paragraph are cherry picked to prove your point. CD Sales has continued to drop.

  • DIY

    Bands and labels with their own chains of distribution have existed for decades. If labels weren’t banking on signing up anything and everything in hopes of locking in the next big thing and then pushing them through a gauntlet of producers and handlers and shitting them out the other end with an assload of debt and no semblance to their former selves, they would not be in this situation.

  • zarathustra

    Just a simple LOL at this headline…

  • lol

    @ their idiocy and ignorance

  • Canadian Pirate

    Here is the link to the Thorny album download on the Canadian Pirate Party tracker : http://www.pirateparty.ca/captain/torrents/thorny-bleeder-records

  • Number Monkey

    Did anyone check out the claims they were making?
    Several albums from the label are listed with thousands of downloads.
    So what I did was trying to type in the album names into thepiratebay and search for clues. Since they explicitly mention they took the numbers from “from just 1 non leading bit torrent site”, not withstanding that I could only find one torrent for the first album uploaded at various places, the lack of a source makes the statement rather weak.
    So, what did I find?

    (4 links to images removed: they showed my bittorrent client with 4 of the first 8 albums – the others I could not find – with 1 to 5 people offering them to download…so not very much coverage)
    Then I stopped looking. The albums inbetween were to not be found.

    Since every torrent at TPB seems to show 10 as the number of people who downloaded something, it cannot be taken as information — the number of downloads just is not deductible from this tracker.
    The number of seeders and peers however is revealing, suggesting that bittorrent poses a negligible threat to the label.
    However, this news will function as an advertisement of course and perpetuate downloading of the albums which any exposition to the media would have, as well as on the other hand raise the number of potential customers, in my opinion.

    So the question stands, of course:
    which website that is less popular than TPB, but additionally puts out numbers of downloads that support the label’s claims?
    I checked another invite-only bittorent music website with over 100 000 members (AND I WON’T GIVE THE NAME AND THUS FREE ADVERTISING) and the numbers were as follows:

    Angel Of Eden – The End Of Never : 5 downloads (vs. claimed 9276)
    Sphere Of Souls – From The Ashes : 8 downloads, currently not available (vs. claimed 6445)
    Sun Caged – Sun Caged : 24 downloads (vs. claimed 6383)
    Seventh Wonder – Mercy Falls : 81 downloads (vs. claimed 6160)
    Twinspirits – The Music That Will Heal The World: not available (vs. claimed 5059)
    Seventh Wonder – Waiting In The Wings : 44 downloads (vs. claimed 4942)
    Sun Caged – Artemisia: 14 downloads (vs. claimed 4920)
    Seventh Wonder – Become : 2 downloads (vs. claimed 2757)
    Satyrian – Eternitas : 7 downloads (vs. claimed 2688)
    Marco Sfogli – There’s Hope : 29 downloads (vs. claimed 2653)
    Tears Of Anger – In The Shadows : not available (vs. claimed 2504)
    Section A – Parallel Lives : 6 downloads (vs. claimed 1926)
    Venturia – Hybrid : 1 download, currently not available (vs. claimed 1800)
    Joe Stump – Virtuostic Vendetta : 45 downloads (vs. claimed 1621)
    Tomorrow’s Eve – Mirror Of Creation II The Genesis : 0 downloads, currently not available (vs. claimed 1545)
    Astra – From Within : 52 downloads (vs. claimed 1400)
    Mind’s Eye – Walking on H20 : 16 downloads (vs. claimed 1345)
    Vitalij Kuprij – Glacial Inferno – not available (vs. claimed 1339)

    “not available” means, it never has been uploaded at the website.
    “currently not available” means, there are no ‘seeders’, so the album cannot be downloaded.
    At the end I added the numbers stated on Lion Music’s website.

    As it stands, my opinion is that they are lying to push their agenda, exaggarating numbers 100- to 1000-fold.
    Please prove me wrong.

    To quote the original numbers from Lion Music’s website (lionmusic.com/contactus.html), as of 2010-01-05:

    #
    Angel Of Eden – The End Of Never : 9276 illegal downloads and rising!

    Sphere Of Souls – From The Ashes : 6445 illegal downloads and rising!

    Sun Caged – Sun Caged : 6383 illegal downloads and rising!

    Seventh Wonder – Mercy Falls : 6160 illegal downloads and rising!

    Twinspirits – The Music That Will Heal The World: 5059 illegal downloads and rising!

    Seventh Wonder – Waiting In The Wings : 4942 illegal downloads and rising!
    #
    Sun Caged – User name:
    Artemisia: 4920 illegal downloads and rising!

    Seventh Wonder – Become : 2757 illegal downloads and rising!

    Satyrian – Eternitas : 2688 illegal downloads and rising!

    Marco Sfogli – There’s Hope : 2653 illegal downloads and rising!
    #
    Tears Of Anger – In The Shadows : 2504 illegal downloads and rising!
    #
    Section A – Parallel Lives : 1926 illegal downloads and rising!

    Venturia – Hybrid : 1800 illegal downloads and rising

    Joe Stump – Virtuostic Vendetta : 1621 illegal downloads and rising!
    #
    Tomorrow’s Eve – Mirror Of Creation II The Genesis : 1545 illegal downloads and rising!

    Astra – From Within : 1400 illegal downloads and rising!
    #
    Mind’s Eye – Walking on H20 : 1345 illegal downloads and rising!
    #
    Vitalij Kuprij – Glacial Inferno – 1339 illegal downloads and rising

    Please drop me a line to
    M8R-7c1ihh mailinator.com
    brotbacker0x

  • George

    CD sales are dropping because no one uses CDs any more, Nick/Troll.

    Exellent work Number Monkey! It just proves that the industry lies constantly about their losses. They are losing their ass because they refuse to adapt to what the consumer (the people that put the money in their accounts) wants!

  • techy

    A record label is where creativity goes to die. Good let them call quits, I could only wish the rest of those a-holes follow.

    @Number Monkey there is a long history of the usual suspects making exaggerated claims, like the recent iiNet vs AFACT case. They’ll keep making false claims until they get what they want from their government.

  • Anonymous

    wow its article like this that make me smile, the copyright jerks are self destructing now, and im loving every minute of it

  • Anonymous

    ah sweet victory… this it people they are starting to violently self destruct

  • temp-no.home

    Let me be clear about one thing. I don’t have problem to pay to listen some group but it can only be on concert. What is less understandable, and what is clear as a day to me, is that making digital recording of someone music is and only can be advertisement for musician or group. Not by any means a source of income. If you want to make money you have to work. That is what concerts are for.

    Many here debate about – so called ‘intellectual rights’. What rights? Rights to make money and actually not work at all? No more. Never again.

    For me it is a matter of principle not to pay for anything digital. I also despise the idea of ‘intellectual rights’. I will devote my energy and time and knowledge to make anything digital completely free for everyone. It must be FREE FOR ALL and must cost only TIME to assimilate knowledge in one’s personality.

    Business models like so called ‘music industry’ (read: (lechers)) are of no interest to me. The days of monopole are over. period.
    Live with that.

  • Freeloader

    You say the biggest Freeloaders buy the most music, on average. What is the underlying logic of this? That Freeloading boosts sales? By your logic the industry would have grown in the past ten years. Artists need labels for marketing, promotion, recording expenses, and tour support. That hasn’t changed. Those of you so happy to see the demise of this group of committed music lovers ought to reconsider what your ultimate goals really are. Seriously. http://www.tinymixtapes.com/2009-Fuck-Love-Let-s-Make-Dystopia

  • LOL

    They couldn’t get to sign any good artists

  • Freeloader

    @ tempnohome
    Monopoly is alive and well. It’s one of Live Nation and Clear Channel, because misguided nihilists such as yourself feel entitled to take everything for free. Your building a world of desperation, where only the biggest artists backed by the biggest corporations can survive. You want small, independent artists? Support them. It’s obvious. The sooner you re-examine your phony idealism the better.

  • ghost

    I never heard of those assholes, and they aren’t losing money to piracy, they just aren’t making it because they are nobodies.

  • gorehound

    great news !!!! waht a loser company.to bad other bigwig greedbag riaa companies call it quits too

  • gorehound

    great news !!!! what a loser company.to bad other bigwig greedbag riaa companies don’t call it quits too

  • George

    Ignore Freeloader, just another of raisin brains sock puppets!

    I publicly announce I will not download any music from artists Borislav Mitic, Onofrio Falanga of Ashent, Edward Box of Vendetta, George Bellas, Dushan Petrossi of Iron Mask, Sebo Xotta of Strings24, Emir Hot, or Simone Fiorletta. I also will not buy any ablbum nor go to any of their concerts, let them eat dirt! What a bunch of whinny no talent cry babies!

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    Absolute nonsense.

    Apple and other media companies are raking in record profits, and this piddly little unknown record label is upset because of piracy?

    They’re blaming pirates for their ills. Perhaps they should change their business model, actually get true artists in their ranks, promote true products that people are actually interested, include todays new technologies in to your business model and perhaps STOP RIPPING OFF ARTISTS and keeping the lions share of profits to yourselves.

    Oh and oh yeah, actually promote and market something that people will want to spend their hard earned money on.

    Besides, by not signing up new artists you are doing all artists a favour. They are more likely to earn a living by promoting their music for zero dollars through torrenting/piracy and going on tour actually keeping all of the money for themselves instead of having to fork over the majority of their profits to exploiting and extorting whiney d*cheads like you.

    I hope all artists go independant and learn to make a living on their own. I will continue to spend money directly on artists through their concerts and merchandise and never will I ever buy products from any media corporation.

  • Matt

    I’d bet anything that this lion music is just setting up to cash out and bail. Nobody can be that stupid unless they just want to go out of business.

  • markie

    So thay are not going to sign any new musicians unto piracy has stop.

    Well for one that’s how musicians get noticed.

    I wonder what would happen if a singer at a concert said up on stage before they sung. How many people download my album for free. Then said that it is wrong to do that.

    But then the people in the audience replied. We all did. But we are all here.

  • George

    To give you some facts and figures on how this is affecting just some of Lion Music releases please view below – stats taken from just 1 non leading bit torrent site (we are not going to give free advertising to which site it is)

    Sure!… you don’t want to advertise the web site because it does not exist. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to have facts that can be verified, otherwise its just lies and made up figures. Well here is a statistic for you, I got it from a reputable unnamed source as well…

    100% of the fault for the music industries impending collapse is due to their complete lack of foresight and their utter inability to adapt to a forever changed marketplace.

  • -

    I hope you guys understand that this is a Indie label, not some big one like Sony or BMG and so on, and they’re not backed up by RIIA.

  • ngwoo

    I’d like to hear about how well the artists on this label are doing.

  • warez.dy.fi

    Its not finnish.

    Record label situates in swedish åland, its a island. Something like sealand where piratebay wanted to live. That island allows tax free shopping making it very hostile/unfriendly place for finnish governent and pro-copyprotection organisations.
    Now they are calling swedish or finnish police to help them…

  • -

    First of all, åland belongs to Finland. Secondly, sealand is not an island, while åland is a large group of islands.

    And making it very hostile place for pro-copyprotection organisations? Wouldn’t that be good, in your opinion?

  • Surys

    Yes, things are going so bad for them that they can afford to refuse artists and the potential profits those artists would bring.

    Stop using out-dated business models, follow Trent Rezor’s advice… gigs & merchandise, special and/or higher-quality content that what you give away for free… is where the profit is as we head to the future.

    If you can’t provide a service that can compete with piracy (or use it to it’s advantage) and cannot use business skills to make a profit from famous artists… then you are a failure anyway.

  • Jeff

    @ 41 – After reading your comment, it occurred to me what Lion Music was trying to do here: pull an Indiana Gregg.

    So until Lion Music made these ridiculous claims (much like the claims Indiana Gregg made), hardly anyone had ever heard of them, and few people downloaded their artists’ albums.

  • BENNY

    I hope all new artists just start skipping the corrupt and huge a-holes this labels are and just go directly to do theirs stuff directly. a mean the publicity you get from the p2p community is allot. and they can sell you cd’s from the comfort of their home and rent spaces for concerts when they get enough fans in facebook that are willing to fill up one of those places.

  • Ryan

    Illegal downloading is killing music?
    I didn’t realize that copyrighted, commercial music recordings were the only music there is. Silly me.

    These bastards need to get over the fact that piracy will not be stopped and start trying to compete with it, or they’re gonna be fucked when the time comes that a huge number of adults are used to getting music for free. Give pirates a reason other than legal ownership and threats to buy your product, and if it’s good enough, we will.

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  • temp-no.home

    @Freeloader
    “Monopoly is alive and well. It’s one of Live Nation and Clear Channel, because misguided nihilists such as yourself feel entitled to take everything for free.”

    Besides the small talk you prefer and prefigure, capitalism is dead in the water. Digital domain is only the BEGINNING. We will reconfigure your world. Sorry.

    “Your building a world of desperation, where only the biggest artists backed by the biggest corporations can survive. You want small, independent artists?Support them. It’s obvious. The sooner you re-examine your phony idealism the better.”

    We are building world of free knowledge and experiences to match our pattern of resistance to annihilation of freedom your kind impose on us. And we will win this fight. We got knowledge, love for fellow man and firm purpose. We will not kneel.

    Your kind must go to another planet and destroy some other world… We will support this flight,obviously. This is only support you will ever get from us, or if you want to stay among us as human being you will have to change your thoughts, life, manner, existence to match one of the human beings… enjoy your self sufficient world until then.

  • jack

    Good, let them die.

    J.

  • eli

    well i’ve been saying this for years even when i presented the idea to acouple of college buddies back when napster started that free music is the way of the future it sounded radical to them an now to see this happen wow. i always knew it was just a matter of time. heres to corp capitalism your days are now numbered.the writing is defintely on the wall

  • Dan

    They don’t get that they don’t lose any money with piracy like they’re saying!

    Those who downloaded illegaly would probably not have bought it!

    I’ve had enough of those f*ks trying to control the earth do what Jack said!!!!!

  • no

    Big fucking deal. Some of my favorite bands sell their own music and don’t even involve a label. Additionally, some of them give their music away free online. Some of them have even put it up on P2P sites themselves. These aren’t dudes in their basements. These are dudes and chicks who actually tour and make the rounds and do shows regularly… so I guess they don’t want me to get that music for free, either. After all, whether it’s free and copyright infringement or free and legit — it’s all a negative to the label’s bottom line unless THEY are getting a cut. So fuck ‘em.

    Then again, while I have an enormous music collection (most of which I bought in the late 90s), I probably listen to less than an average of one song per day over the course of a year. Far more stuff to spend my time on than sitting around listening to music.

  • Anonymous

    Lion Music is a Progressive Rock Label, didn’t that music die in the 70′s??? Sounds like their attitude and business model is as anachronistic as the music they sell.

  • \\.neo.styles|sSG

    So why would they refuse to sign any new artists? It would be in their interest to sign more artists fyi. They must have a good reason for this decision.

    Why would pirates buy more music? Since when did pirates care so much about copyright or the rights holders? How would they know that pirates actually buy more music unless they can actually identify said pirates? But then again, this goes against what pirates want. Pirates survive by staying out the spot light and remaining anonymous. What possible motivation could someone have could someone have for buying something once they have a it for free? When was the last time you saw a pirate promiting something good and encouraging other to buy it? If they actually did care about supporting what was good, you would see this, but you never do.

    The study is questionable. They look at sales data and then P2P data and then somehow conclude that rampant piracy has caused it. They ignore the possibility that this is juse correlation. If piracy was good for the industry than why would the record labels be spending all that money in legal campaigns against pircay? Why would it make sense from a business point of view.

    Allowing ourselves to think that the industry’s biggest problem is in fact it’s greatest benefactor would nothing but disingenuous.

  • Jay

    You know, it’s probably iTunes that are killing the sales of their music. iTunes allows us to download JUST the 1 or 2 or 3 songs on an album that’s ACTUALLY good.

    Perhaps it’s the “Album” format that is dying/ becoming atiquated. Imagine how many sales an artist will get if they just focus on a few songs at a time, instead of trying to come out with a dozen unique tracks, and inevitably falling short.

    I can’t remember the last time I like every song on an album.

  • MD3

    New artists are probably the ones that get MOST RIPPED OFF by labels anyway! So maybe they’d be the most benefited from not needing a label whatsoever.
    I think new artists should go for the new business model: Share some of their music on P2P networks and put the rest on honest digital stores that actually repass a DECENT part of the profit to the artist!

  • Anon

    I guess Lion has decided to go out of business.

    Of course, artists don’t need or want labels any more. Perhaps Lion was simply unable to sign anyone and is spinning that as “refusing” to sign anyone.

  • jasper100

    it’s not, it’s only killing labels but supporting artists!

  • anonymous

    killing independant music? yah right, independant music is almost all i listen to. and without napster (and others) who knows what trash i might listen to.

    lion music, have fun in poor-record-sales limbo. i encourage the artists that were “asked” to write up hateful essays and weren’t too thrilled about the idea to find a new label. you dont need bosses like that.

  • OJ

    When will the music industry/musicians get it? Their old business models will never again be profitable.

    If – IF laws someday eliminate Internet P2P, it will not eliminate piracy. We will still have places like amazon, ebay, discogs, etc where people are buying and selling used CDs that they have ripped to their hard drives… People will have music swaps with blazing transfer speeds…People will continue to share.

    Of course the Internet makes it easier but it can never be stopped.

    Accept it and evolve…

  • anonymous

    in response to neo-styles- i recommend my mates buy good work. whether they do or not is their business… granted, many who seek everything for free should learn some manners, but it could just be that they are sick of stockholders and management getting 100x’s more of the profits than the workhorses who provide the content
    most people agree that they get paid very little in relation to what they earn for their publishers.

    deny corporations.

  • hmmm

    If anyone observes the world’s situation nowadays, they can see :
    1. the world is ruled by multinational corporation
    2. there’s blood on hands, death and destruction everywhere outside europe and usa
    3. people who live in europe and usa have less and less money to spend for their leisure
    4. politicians, creating police states in so-called democracies, and big corporations, pupetting them, force that trend more and more, so that point 2 might soon get imported to our countries, to the biggest profit of weapons manufacturers.

    Regarding the grandma’s-purse-with-pension-inside thing, it’s just wow. How can one be still so stubborn, not seeing the difference between stealing and trying/discovering before buying.
    But it illustrates the political context quite well. Giving only attention – thus power – to extremists slowly transforms our society in an extremists’ ruled one.

  • anon

    Too bad I have to give money to Lion Music when I want to buy a Miosis album :(

    I’ll buy it digitally though :>

  • Terningen

    Haha, omg the comparisons are hilarious! xD

    “You CAN also beat up an old lady on the street”

    Haha, i can’t stop laughing! Go ahead Lion Music ^^ Burn yourselves to the ground slowly! By all means. We could not care less! The music will not stop coming when you burnt out…

  • ismellfarts

    never heard of your gay ass label or the shit bands on it ..piss off wankers

  • Rboy

    Who shoved a stick up his ass? I don’t know anyone that buys cd’s anymore. My kids hear a song they like and download the mp3. I ask them why not the alblum and they look at me like I am an idiot. The bundling days are over music idustry get used to it. Just because someone likes one song from an artist does not mean they are interested and any of thier other crap

  • Atroxes

    http://www.lionmusic.com/artists.html

    Not one single artist in their catalogue, who I’d even CONSIDER pirating music off of.

    They have probably the worst list of bands signed in recent history and they complain that can’t make a profit? How about signing new TALENTED musicians? Oh wait, you can’t, because you aren’t making any money… Why aren’t you making money? Because you aren’t signing new musicians…

    How can you possibly be this stupid and run a company at the same time?

    The mere fact that you are running a record label does NOT entitle you to success. It’s a company like any other, provide a quality product or perish and die.

  • ALIS123

    Highly doubt piracy is their problem. I live in finland and lion is supposed to be a finnish label but i didn’t see even one artist i’ve ever even heard of on their list.

    Music with very few listeners doesn’t earn money for greedy record label bosses, it’s very simple, has nothing to do with piracy.

  • ROFL

    bunch of morons, prolly needed some attention.

    whinging wont get them anywhere, get a business model :)

  • Think about it

    @75 Jan 05, 2010 at 07:48 by \\.neo.styles|sSG

    Hmm. Unless you’ve downloaded anything you have no idea if they encourage to buy or not. Unless you bothered to look at the torrent page where it was uploaded. Then you’d be sick of reading – if you like it, buy it!

    So STFU (Stop Trolling for undulation)

    And Lion Music does need filesharing. One of their albums just released two months ago has 4 seeders. Even with typical leech rates that means that even if one download equaled one lost sale then… well you figure it out.

    They obviously want to stop filesharing because they are afraid someone might hear that it’s junk before buying.

  • Think about it

    Alicia Keys – The Element Of Freedom (Deluxe) CDRip 2009

    5,084 seeders

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Element_of_Freedom#Commercial_performance

    It is apparently obvious that success correlates with increased filesharing, Mr. Neo-Troll.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe I’m responding to this, but… whatever. I’m bored.

    @neo

    So why would they refuse to sign any new artists? It would be in their interest to sign more artists fyi. They must have a good reason for this decision.

    Correct. I don’t think the reason is particularly good, tho- I think the labels are just too stupid, greedy and behind-the-times to think straight.

    Why would pirates buy more music?

    Because exposure leads to sales. It’s the exact concept behind advertising.

    Since when did pirates care so much about copyright or the rights holders?

    By your definition I’d be a pirate since I’ve downloaded illegally. I believe in copyright. I don’t often, however, respect the rights holders you mention because a vast majority of those rights holders are large corporations, which I have little to no respect for. Actual people and independent artists are a different matter- they are usually respectable. Sling your generalizations all you want, but they’re still unfounded generalizations.

    How would they know that pirates actually buy more music unless they can actually identify said pirates?

    An increase in downloads that preludes an increase in sales would tend to be evidence enough for most people. Happens all the time.

    But then again, this goes against what pirates want.

    Not being one yourself, how do you know what pirates want?

    What possible motivation could someone have could someone have for buying something once they have a it for free?

    The fact that not everyone is the black-hearted, moralless thief you think they are. Stop being so extremist.

    When was the last time you saw a pirate promiting something good and encouraging other to buy it?

    It’s becoming clearer and clearer that you actually know very little about “piracy.” For example, this happens whenever someone uploads a torrent of a work and puts “If you like this, support the artists” in the description.

    If they actually did care about supporting what was good, you would see this, but you never do.

    You never do, because you don’t actually research the subject. You just assume your fairy tale is real, then hate on people for it. (Seriously, I’ve never once seen you post a positive, insightful comment that honestly contributes to the discussion. All you do is hate, hate, hate.)

    The study is questionable. They look at sales data and then P2P data and then somehow conclude that rampant piracy has caused it. They ignore the possibility that this is juse correlation.

    Right. Each time a work is downloaded and sales subsequently increase, it’s pure coincidence. Has nothing to do whatsoever with public exposure of the work.

    If piracy was good for the industry than why would the record labels be spending all that money in legal campaigns against pircay? Why would it make sense from a business point of view.

    Congratulations, you’ve finally posted an insightful question. It deserves an insightful answer. The labels, the movie corps, the publishers… they don’t fight piracy because of made-up lost sales. They fight piracy because p2p is a distribution medium that: a) they don’t control; b) is free for anyone at all to use, without regional lockout or other restrictions; c) is arguably more convenient than conventional channels; and d) delivers a superior product (you won’t see pirated movies with DRM, for obvious reasons). The Internet scares the bejeezus out of these companies, especially the recording industry, because it takes control of media out of their hands. Even if you don’t factor in illegitimate p2p services, musicians can legitimately market their music directly to people with the Internet, bypassing the middleman that is the record label. Wouldn’t you be scared, too, to see the business model that has brought you huge profits for decades suddenly undercut by something new and popular? They can’t admit this out loud, of course, so they use IP law and “we’re losing money to pirates” as an excuse to justify their war to turn the Internet into television, where Big Content decides for us what we watch, how, where and when.

    Allowing ourselves to think that the industry’s biggest problem is in fact it’s greatest benefactor would nothing but disingenuous.

    I know you’re referring to piracy, but I think that the recording industry’s biggest problem is the labels themselves and how they screw both artists and the public so they can profit. I suppose you could blame the execs for this.

  • Anon

    LOL FINALLY, hopefully they will realise soon that no1 needs them anymore, lol bet theyl take their remainin cash and run for it xD

  • Finnish asshole

    These are Finnish assholes. All Finnish hard rock musicans are fat, ugly, alcoholic morons. The article hits just in the right, sweetspot of TRUTH when you tell that these guys are doing bad for TOTALLY unrelated reasons, and just blaming it on the file sharers, and the TOTALLY unrelated reason here being that any normal, non-insane people won’t just listen to their lame-ass, eardrum torturing music. Music is not supposed to be like that.

    To Lion Music records:
    Nobody wants to listen to your stupid hard rock. Go drink yourself numb, like you were doing before you decided to become a “rock star”.
    In Finnish:
    Kukaan ei halua kuunnella typerää heviänne. Painukaa takaisin lähiökappakoihinne juomaan itsenne typeriksi, aivan kuten teitte ennen kuin päätitte ryhtyä “rokkareiksi”.

    I’ve spoken.

  • Rockhound

    Well, Lion Music is obiviously dying company, and this is just idiotic publishitty stunt to try and salvage what is remaining…

  • Finnish asshole

    Oh, please disregard my previous post.

    These guys are not from Finland. They are from an autonomous island between Finland and Sweden called Åland. They don’t speak Finnish – they are more like Swedish people. It has nothing to do with Finland, except that their post address is in Finland, because for one strange quirk of history Åland, a Swedish province, is not part of Sweden but Finland. You can read it on Wikipedia.

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  • Wolfy

    so they’re saying that “look at us, we’re a poor company, because you torrent, we can’t sell our product, stop it and buy from us”. No customer has an obligation to keep a company in business. The company has an obligation to make a workable business model, a quality product/service and then sell it at a reasonable price to the customer.

    So basically, this label wants us to buy their product as a show of anti-piracy, NOT BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY LIKE THE MUSIC OR WANT IT!

  • Think about it

    To those people who dare to continue stealing through BitTorrent sites he adds, “the blood will be on your hands from typing to try and find our albums as the majority aren’t even on bittorrent and have very few seeders if it happens to be one of the rare ones uploaded…”

    Might want to try a newsgroup if you want to find anything from this label.

    Eli was doing better just promoting her stuff on MySpace.

    BTW, I never heard of any of this stuff before today. It’s sad when MegaForce of old put you to shame even though they didn’t have the internet (and Vinyl rips from them still have more seeders even though it’s over 25 years old (Overkill – 49 seeders)).

    Heck, even the 1970 released Black Sabbath Paranoid VINYL RIP MP3@320 has 14 seeders. That’s 10 more than one of Lion Musics’ recent releases. Vinyl Rip!!! From the quarter bin 20 years ago!!!

  • Wolfy

    this is actually hilarious when you think about.
    Music lovers see music they want. They torrent it, and say F U to the labels.
    The labels spend all their time promoting insane anti-piracy laws.
    Torrenters say F U again and continue downloading.
    Label now says “Please stop downloading, or we’ll go out of business”
    Torrenters look at each other with glee and cheer, and increase their downloading.

  • Anonymous

    The artists arguments on that site don’t make any sense whatsoever. They seem to believe that filesharing will lead to the death of all new music.

    This is ridiculous. Composers like Mozart and Beethoven had lucrative careers when you couldn’t actually buy recorded music.

    I understand musicians need to make a living but arguments like this don’t do them any favours.

    New music will always exist. Believe it or not, some people create music as a hobby or for art’s sake and couldn’t be happier that people download it for free.

  • Anonymous

    Good luck with that.

    In the meantime, I plan on not buying any more CDs until Elvis Presley lands in a UFO on top of the Loch Ness Monster. There’s more chance of that happening than all file-sharing ending forever.

  • Anonymous

    Bye bye Lion Music.

  • nnsa

    Just because I CAN buy an album and pay a ridiculous amount of money for it whilst the artist gets next to nothing from the label, doesn’t mean I SHOULD,” I write. “I CAN also go to a gig, buy a T shirt from the artist or make a donation to the artist. Somebody else CAN also go to a gig, buy a T shirt from the artist or make a donation to the artist. Would you like this? Either way it’s the way I chose to support music artists until the labels chance their ways or die”

    If your label decides to commit suicide that is your labels decision and not the people that but more music than most.

  • Anonymous

    The most hilarious comment on the site:

    “This will be THE END OF TIMES FOR MUSIC! After we musician give up the labels will fold, the music stores will turn into … shoe shops for example (you can’t download those through internet can you now?)!
    Soon after that the whole music industry, concerts, fun time, guitars,… will be dead and gone – thanks to Internet and illegal global piratery system! Game over!”

    Newsflash: New music will always exist. It’s existed for thousands of years and people still pay to go to concerts.

  • John Down

    Who needs this kind of musicians anyways? Hope they disappear together with their labels. Will make room to the humble, more creative souls who have always enjoyed more success.

  • Randy Orrison

    I’ve just posted a link to Thorny Bleeder’s downloads on Del.icio.us. I won’t be posting a link to — what’s their name? Oh, who cares…

  • Italian – eViLVaL

    Tutto questo è incredibile. Oggi CHIUNQUE può aprire un blog gratuitamente dove pubbicare i propri brani musicali da far ascoltare a tutto il mondo, ma questa cosa fà infuriare le major che non possono (finalmente) più fare il bello ed il cattivo tempo. Oltretutto da quando c’è la possibilità di scaricare musica da internet SI VENDE DI PIU’!
    E da noi, in Italia, la SIAE cosa va a proporre? Una tassa sul collegamento internet, come per dire – “Adesso pagate tutti qualcosa così possiamo continuare a rubare noi come abbiamo sempre fatto.”
    –Google translation–
    All this is incredible. Now anyone can start a blog for free pubbicare where their music by listening to the whole world, but what infuriates the majors who can not (finally) make the most beautiful and the weather. Moreover since there is the possibility of downloading music from internet IT SELLS FOR MORE ‘!
    And we, in Italy, SIAE thing goes to propose? A tax on the Internet, as if to say – “Now all you pay something so we can continue to rob us as we have always done.”

  • Dizzy

    Hahaha, if u just read on that killing music page… they are comnplaining about getting less royalties since the CD and such… uh… excuse me, is that our fault? :P

  • Xcel

    What a bunch of whiny little bitches, ya know, if your a band looking to sign with a label, use your head, DONT SIGN WITH LION! you’ll starve…

  • Lachlan Hunt

    It looks like Lion Music have since updated their contact page again, and it now simply says:

    “The Lion Music roster is currently full. We are not accepting new submissions at this time.”

    The version you quoted is still in the Google cache, but I guess the negative publicity it brought them was a little too much. However, their news page is still full of articles whinging about lost revenues and the impact of piracy.

  • Anonymous Coward

    We All know the score- innovate or die. This lot have seemed to decide to stick a gun in their mouth than die a slow painful death. Good riddance I say.

  • Moonrend

    Most of the artists at lion music are only hoping to get rich and famous with their music, they could not get a deal with any major label so they send their demos to every place they could.

    And now that they are not getting milions every month they are angry :P

    It’s gaming industry that is killing the music industry, not piracy. (Consumers have limited amount of money, and some 10 or so years ago gaming was still underground activity)

  • annoyance

    Finnish music is finished :)

  • Huh

    Don’t forget labels such as Go-Kart Records.
    There are a TON of free downloads and they even had an MP3 compilation feature.

    http://www.gokartrecords.com/store.php?PHPSESSID=qag9efisjsvj66ba7f0r5ruhh5k7ldq5&PAGE=detail&id=174

    “Not only is this an awesome compilation CD with 300 songs (yes, 300 songs!) from 150 bands, it’s also the FIRST EVER commercially sold MP3 CD!”

    There is also an open letter against the RIAA
    http://www.gokartrecords.com/freedownload/riaa.php

    and so forth.

    Just to show there are smarter more independent labels out there still.

    As for the finnish Fail0rs, who cares, let them die.
    If the labels no longer exist to take massive advantage of bands, then all the better.
    Filesharing and modern internet hasn’t ended but enabled smaller bands in an infinity of ways.

  • illunatic

    lawl the site download from was LIONshare xD

  • George
  • Tomas

    This is a classic marketing tactic. Make something hard to obtain and the desirability factor will increase. It’s how TV, Film and Music companies have marketed for years and years – films always coming out in one country or one area first, false limitation of stock amounts etc..

    It’s actually the sole cause of a lot of piracy. We don’t need to wait for the physical release. We never did, but before now we never had another option. We’d have to wait and then we were so desperate we’d pay whatever they asked for it.

    Now we have a better option though, we just download it. Many many things I would happily pay a reasonable price for, but due to falsely bottlenecking the distribution I end up downloading it because I don’t want to wait. The added advantage (but by no means the primary reason) is that I also get it for free. I like to think of that as a little “stick it to the man” message, to punish them for being retarded and holding back the sale in the first place.

    This company has realised the result of holding back sales is people pirate the music instead of waiting, then paying more than it was worth once it finally does come out. That’s why they have pulled off the exact same marketing scam, but with a twist. Rather than hold back the sale of an album and release it on different dates in different areas, they are holding back all future releases of anything. So that makes the news report it, which brings them to the attention of more artists who just think they may as well send their stuff in anyway just to see. Then when they finally do release something again (which they will, otherwise they will go bust) then people want to hear what the amazing piece of music that broke their silence was. Tadaaa, instant free publicity.

  • Le Fake

    The current type of music industry has to evolve or die. There is absolutely no other choice and it almost makes me cry how they think any kind of legislation would kill off file-sharing.

    Also, they should stop calling file-sharing piracy, because they really are two different things. In absolute majority of cases, nobody profits directly from downloading files.

  • Anonymous

    I know we’re all insulting the musicians but want to bet they were held hostage by the Lion Music label to write that stuff?

  • Anonymous

    good riddance Lion Music, I’ll enjoy seeing you go out of business.

  • Whatever

    I see another Lilly Allen trick coming. In a few days they will probably re-explain the meaning of their statement (and probably get away with it).

    And if they really mean what they say, they should get rid of all their current musicians and go out of business.

    I wonder why their current (commercial inclined) rock stars would want to “spread the word” as mentioned in the article. Logically they should be happy that they will have less competition from other artists now. :-}

  • AnarchyNow

    Yeah, good riddance, totally unknown useless polution maker, nobody listens to finish shit anyway

  • Thorny Bleeder Rocks

    Thanks a million for that link to Thorny Bleeder.
    The first album sounds f***ing great.

  • Dan

    Tell them what you think!

    Lars Eric Mattsson – Lion Music President
    info(at)lionmusic.com

  • prodigydancer

    Good riddance. Hopefully all other labels will follow suit.

  • prodigydancer

    “illegal downloading will lead to a “society of filthy, wild savages.” To those people who dare to continue stealing through BitTorrent sites he adds, “the blood will be on your hands…”

    ROFL. That’s what the hunger for big money does to people – it drives them completely insane…

  • Thraprod

    Hey, that’s cool. Don’t sign more artists, random Finnish label. Those artists you don’t sign, that truly have a passion for their music, will STILL find exposure and success through mediums like Myspace and… that’s right… file sharing. The musicians you currently have will eventually get old and played out and less people will buy their stuff anyway. And then you, random Finnish label, will no longer have a business because you got all self-righteous.

    Who wins here?
    We do, because we get music from musicians who care.
    Who else wins?
    The musicians, because new fans can discover them more easily. They will get more money from their gigs. They will not be giving most of their money to a useless ‘label’ that equates to an old-school mafia protection scheme.
    Who loses?
    The label, because they were too stubborn and prideful to use their brains. They will actually have to do some work instead of getting fat off of musicians creativity while doing very little themselves. THEY won’t be able to steal from the poor artists anymore.

    So please, refuse to sign more artists and die. It’s better for the musician… it’s better for us. Win-win.

  • Dave Knows

    Good riddance and thank you for all the fish.

    in other news bill the bugger noticed a big gap in washing line installer business with the advent home d.i.y and tumble dryer uptake.

    “O’h well life goes on”

  • dudeorama

    hey record industry, wake up and smell the coffee! we aren’t going to give you money to go live like a pimp and marry/divorce mariah carey for a shitty album with 2 good songs on it. Remember when motown was eaten by rock who was eaten by grunge who was eaten by a board of trustees who was eaten by itunes? Everybody has a computer, a 4-track and a basement…Who needs a label anymore??

  • trustnoone

    not signing artists?? and they say piracy is killing music

  • Curious Corsair

    Off topic, but what happened to Alan Ellis’ (OiNK) trial that was starting yesterday?

  • Mark

    It seems when your products aren’t as successful as you’d like, it seems the answer for every greedy capitalist shower of pricks is to do absolutely everything in their power to force their products upon people.

    Then, if that doesn’t work, then jump up and down, kick, scream and cry until until you turn enough eyes in your direction.
    This is an example of just that.

    TBH I lol’d at this. Way to go to shoot yourselves in the foot douchebags. :)

  • me

    Just like banksters, they’re seeking a bailout from the government.

  • Bangor Maine

    Wow, I would have to say its about high time!

    Teebo

  • dwpbike

    since “The illegal file sharing on the net is killing independent music”, could you just go ahead and post your catalogue on tpb? this is probably the only way i’ll ever notice what you have in the stable.

  • Dia

    Åland is a part of Finland but they’re all Swedes that live there.

  • Wolfy

    i’d like to point out something to the record labels. They bitch and whine that piracy is killing them. Well, this label here is committing suicide! Its themselves killing themselves. We’re not holding a gun to their head. It’s their choice not to sign up anybody new. I mean we can hardly be said to be criminals for not buying their product.

  • Stupid Record Labels

    @Wolfy

    good point! agree 100%

  • Ninja

    Wow, so many replys to this article. I’m gonna read more afterwards.

    I don’t remember clearly but I think the name was Jamendo and there were millions of tracks from smaller musicians for free there. I wonder why they chose to make their songs available there if file sharing is killing them and music itslef. [/sarcasm]

    Also, they are reverting that decision soon as it’s [not signing new artists] their death sentence. There are plenty of studies, researches and such works out there pointing that file sharing is actually good for musicians and for sales as file sharers actually have access to more content and tend to buy more.

    The issue is: is the media industry willing to provide quality DRM free content for sane prices since their costs for digital media distribution is almost zero? No, the media industry is not. They want to earn a lot of money in individual sales instead of earning in quantity. That way of thinking will be the death of many labels.

    In any case, let Lion Music choke itself to death, we need neither labels like them nor artists like theirs.

  • Anonymous

    The information changed from
    “zomg millions of illegal downloads stop it or we won’t sign on new artists” to “not accepting demo submissions, because our roster is full atm”… oh well o0

  • OJ

    @93 Anonymous

    Excellent responses, ever consider writing articles for TorrentFreak? ;)

    @87 Rboy

    Excellent point Rboy!
    “I don’t know anyone that buys CD’s anymore. My kids hear a song they like and download the mp3. I ask them why not the album and they look at me like I am an idiot…”

    This illustrates in a very real way how even legal downloads are costing record labels money. The consumer is able to buy the track they want instead of being forced into paying for a package deal. NEVER AGAIN record labels! You’ve taken enough of our money back in the 90′s.

  • Brian

    So you are refusing to adapt to new technology and want the government to do the impossible. Instead of using this new technology to advertise and use free promotion you want to shove you head in the sand and scream until the government does something. But you nor the government have no real clue what that is.

    If you can’t adapt then your business should die.

  • Brian

    @107
    @124

    Thanks for the support guys! Glad you’re loving the free music.

    By the way, we have TWO FREE ALBUMS on our website, Get Thorny and Get Thorny 2.

    Download them both and share them as much as you can!

    http://www.thornybleeder.com/downloads.html

  • Cutroat

    Sounds like their music they promote is a load of C–P, good riddance to bad Tunes….:0)

  • George

    @Brian
    Thanks for what you are doing with your site. More artists need to do the same thing. I will give your music a try when I get home from work. (not allowed to download here!)

  • Brian

    Thanks George, appreciate the comments and support brother.

    Free the music and the fans will follow!

    http://www.thornybleeder.com/downloads.html

  • Anon

    >until politicians have managed to stop piracy

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    Entertainment companies of parasites hate computers and internet because it made them useless and obsolete.

    This is why they are crapping right now.

    What was the role of the entertainment companies of parasites before personal computers and internet?

    1) Recording.
    2) Distribution.
    3) Promotion.
    4) Financial support.

    1) Recording.
    The corporations of parasites are no longer needed for doing the recording because any computer can act as a powerful recording studio so any bands singers and musicians can make their own recording. They do that by the truckload right now as we speak.

    2) Distribution.
    Everyone know how to do this. Seed bit torrent with your stuff or just share it on Edonkey/Emule, Limewire Ant, mute, winny or others.
    Cost= ZERO!

    3) Promotion.
    Promotion is still not easy but is a lot shipper using internet than tradotional media such as newspaper radio and TV station. The problem is that these entertainment parasites and obsolete executives does not know how to do this using internet while others do.

    4)Financial support.
    All of the above use to cost a fortune forcing artists in the past to take loan at ripe-off rate from the entertainment corporation of parasites to made it. Not anymore.

  • Bill Wilkins, Melted Metal Web Radio

    “And The Lions Shall Lie Down For Lack Of Easy Prey”

    WTF! Maybe these guys don’t belong in the band signing business. Plenty of labels ‘are’ signing bands, and are flourishing by embracing the internet on the internet’s terms.

    Hey you monster metal bands! Come over to Melted Metal and we will play all of the hot kick-ass metal bands! We will also devote a majority of our marketing budget to tour support of the bands we play.

    Fuck the narrow minded legacy-thinkers! Let the granddaddies of the business die a natural death. Let’s get on with it and try new things until we get it right.

    Bill Wilkins, CEO
    Melted Metal Web Radio
    http://www.meltedmetal.com/scorch/contact/

  • FreeMusic

    Real musicians write music for love not money!

  • gnice

    Great fucking idea … Stop selling your product for a years until you go tits-up and blame it on the interwebs.

    Fucking labels make me sick … All bands should be marketing their shit direct anyway… why give 70% of your bands profits to a bunch of greedy dirt-bags?

  • Dan

    Man Brian you’re a lifesaver.. Respect!!! <3

  • Brian

    Thanks Dan!

    Not all labels are as backwards thinking as these guys from Lion Music. They’re on a one-way path to destruction.

    We’re in a new era of music and it requires a completely different way of thinking about the business.

    Those that serve the fan will thrive. Those that do not will whither.

    http://www.thornybleeder.com/downloads.html

  • Trelew

    What a laugh! It can’t be because out business model or music sucks, so it must be internet piracy. What way to avoid responsibility. To think that politicians are going to do anything to save your corporate butts? Give yourself a shake Lion, there are a lot bigger players tugging on the various governments for the public monies.

    BTW, I am a try before you buy file sharer. I do have a CD collection of artists that I have found through file sharing. In my opinion, internet file sharing is probably the best thing that has happened to the entertainment industry, especially the indie artists. It’s just a shame you haven’t gotten a clue to realize that.

  • George

    Just out of curiosity Brian, could you tell us later if you see an increase in sales after all the publicity you’ve gotten from this. Lion Music my ass, more like Lying Music!

  • Brian

    George – Unfortunately we don’t see live sales numbers from iTunes, it takes almost two months for them to get the numbers over to us!

    But, I do know from our last free compilation we put out, that the artists DO receive new sales from fans they never would have seen if the free compilation wasn’t floating around the net. Also, many new opportunities are created with the exposure its given them… ie. licensing, gigs, etc.

  • Fuck record labels

    I never even heard their shitty music but im gonna download some as type now, just to piss them off.

  • CopyleftRecords

    Articles like this just make me shake my head in amazement. The ignorance on the part of label execs like this is just staggering.

  • keekee

    What does ‘illegal download’ mean? There’s no such thing!

  • lolz

    Lol the record label has just committed suicide..
    Maybe it’s illegal in their country and you can sue them xD

  • pros

    If your are a band or having plans to start a band FU*K you!! From now on. WE (the record labels) will only sign persons that are atending IDOL, “your country” got talent and other tv-shows.

    This is persons that we can butt fu*k for 11 month then a new person will take your place and get 15 min of fame. And your on the street collecting soda cans.

    No more garage band, from now on only tv audition shows.

  • George

    Don’t know if your still out there Brian, but you got some good music on the compilations. TF readers, if you have not checked the freebies that Thorny Bleeder Records is offering, you should! These guys get the props where crybaby Lion Records fails epically.

  • A

    They’re digging their own grave, filesharing is the best thing that could happen to an independent artist.

  • Brian

    Thanks George, appreciate the props brother!

    We pride ourselves on working with only cream-of-the-crop talent, regardless of the type of genre they’re in.

  • Thugnificance

    Hysterical. “Internet piracy is killing independent music,” said the label, killing independent music.

  • KsbjA

    Labels are killing music.

  • mr. independent

    wankers

  • Rdk

    O M G! The biggest bullshit that has ever been said from a music label company, what a bunch a idiots!!

  • Jay

    Record labels are no longer necessary to release music. They haven’t been for some time. No one cares about Lion Music’s sulking.

  • Anonymous

    Last week, a door to door salesman stopped and asked if I wanted to purchase postage stamps. I told him no because I have the internet. The week before that, I received a call from The New York Times asking if I wanted to purchase their newspaper. I told them no because I have the internet. The week before that, I received a letter in the mail asking if I wanted to purchase books. I threw it away because I have the internet. Earlier this week, I purchased a new television for $400 less than what I would have paid going to a local store. Why? Because I have the internet. I bought a digital camera so I wouldn’t have to pay to get my film developed anymore and can make as many copies as I want at the cost of purchasing refurbished ink cartridges that work as well as the original manufacturers. The versatility of the internet and the digital age has changed more than just the music industry forever. The difference is, most of the examples above with the exception of the postal service have also changed to adjust to the times. To those of you who are in the music industry, it time to adjust…sink or swim, it’s your choice.

  • Gavin

    It could be because alot of artists are not bothering with record lables, and posting there tracks directaly on itunes and amizon them selfs.

  • dustin

    Finnish hard rock? I wouldn’t even consider downloading it… It’s not a very wide audience I guess.

  • Gubatron

    Bands come to FrostClick, we’ll promote you for free if you release your music under Creative Commons.

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  • NBtX

    The only good thing that can come of this is another Dan Bull song ;p

    Dear Lion Music……

  • greylion

    Somehow, I get the image of a spoiled brat saying he’ll hold his breath until he gets what he wants.

    I say let him hold it till he’s dead and gone.

  • Anonymous

    I FOUND THE TORRENT SITE THEY GOT THEIR DATA FROM!!!

    http://www.nowtorrents.com

    http://www.nowtorrents.com/torrents/angel-of-eden.html

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  • Anonymous

    “We are NOT able to sign more artists. No demos or masters you send us will be considered for release. We will NOT listen to any mp3 files or check out your websites and we will NOT respond to questions regarding releasing your album,”

    Take note of this peeps. I read this article this morning before I went to work and the message above was on their “Contact Us” page and has since been removed. Maybe they realized they shot themselves in the foot after all…lol

  • foifvoisnggng

    screw labels n continue with the bittorrent style all the way, if u like a song ur cd then maybe buy it ur jus save the $13 n use it on food n games lol, p2p forever=]

  • The perception of the masses

    Sorry, but most of you guys seem to be a bit out of touch regarding how things actually work on the production side..music does not exist until it is made, I’m afraid…And it’s not like the labels are there for nothing. Artists usually _need_ them, because practically no one, NO ONE has the time to do it all by himself..I mean

    - write great tunes
    - write great lyrics
    - Buy all the recording equipment and learn how to use it
    - Record everything by yourself
    - Make it sound like a good-quality recording
    - Package your best songs into a killer album
    - Make all the deals with the appropriate stores
    - Promote the album
    - GO ON TOUR
    - Have a life
    - etc etc

    There’s a good reason why many artists want to get signed on a label -it’s because in reality, it’s practically impossible to do what some of you guys seem to be asking for here. It is their choice and all this talk I see here about “we know what’s best for music and artists” is mostly just completely one-dimensional thinking.

    You have to be more reflective than just say “f*ck the labels, they don’t care about music or artists”. Every musician is also a consumer and thus understands in many ways how you guys think. But most consumers aren’t musicians, so it’s understandable they don’t know how things work..

    I know I will get flamed, because no one wants to hear this kind of stuff here..but I ask you guys to reconsider your views and take into account what I say.

    Yes, music survives because it is the heart of culture. But in the long-term, the only way good music can really flourish, is to guarantee that everyone who is good at what they do (in this case, people capable of making great music), can devote his or her time and energy into it.

    I hope you will not hate me for saying this, and I thank you for your time. Happy new year to all!

    All the best,

    Matti, a yet-unsigned lyricist
    Finland

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  • Anonymous

    Matti, there’s a huge difference between logical expression and an implication that illegal downloading could lead to a society of filthy, wild savages. Does this mean that because I’ve downloaded a few songs for free that I’m going to run out of my home to find grandma and steal her pension money out of her wallet? No, it doesn’t. These types of comments are about as useful as saying all blondes are dumb.

    Your points are valid and well thought out and had Lion Music and Borislav Mitic expressed themselves in the same type of logic, perhaps all these “pirates” wouldn’t have reacted as they did to this article. Out of spite, I will never listen to, or purchase anything from Lion Music.

    Like it or not, the file sharing world is here to stay. Since the internet has been in existence, a lot of businesses have had to change their ways to adapt to their environment and have done so successfully. I find it hard to believe that the music industry can’t do the same.

    Best wishes and good luck to you.

  • Polemicist

    I’m with Number Monkey on post #44…

    Also Finnish record label Lion Music I’ve never heard of and those bands? Like who the hell are they? Major record labels that pull major artists might get major downloads but in this case I think this is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard…

    Maybe this is just a ploy for people to notice them? Great way to get free press. Also great way to have every annoyed script kiddie attack their website… :)

  • Get with the times people

    @Matti,

    In a lot of countries bands write music and lyrics and go play in pubs and clubs until they “get noticed”… Few quick examples of this from Australia where CD prices are very high – The Screaming Jets – ACDC – INXS – Powderfinger – Midnight Oil – Divinyls – Mondo Rock – Silverchair – Icehouse – Spiderbait – Wolfmother … The list goes on … And they are all doing have have done very well for themselves thankyou and they all started “touring” before they got signed … I could mention a heap from the US scene as well but you get my point…

    If you do a search through youtube you will find a great deal of people who have made a living by doing things free and using a micro-payment system (example the iTunes store, Amazon etc) and it is making artists like that rich but the big labels seem to avoid those avenues? Why? Cause they don’t make as much money… Please note that some bands on Youtube suck badly but they still get a small loyal following…

    NIN is the perfect example of an online success story… Ghosts came out as a full free download in MP3 and even WAV format and the sales of the physical disk was MASSIVE (hell even I purchased it)… That is a great musician who got sick of the record labels and made his frigging own (Nothing Records)… and then makes comments like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5iHaV0dP4

    Screw the greedy bastards who can not get with the times… Leave them behind…

    And would SOMEONE please tell me THREE Finnish bands that are in the US or European charts? When I search Wikipedia for “Finnish Bands” all I see is music to cut my wrists to like Nightwish and HIM and Wyrd? :) Seriously have any Finnish bands hit the charts?

  • MM

    Sure it aint because they forgot what they are supposed to make and sell to the masses a long time ago?

  • Get with the times people

    WOW … Finnish bands really are behind the times…

    I searched for a Finnish band in Wikipedia and saw a name that stuck out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_(album)
    and it said it was an “Industrial Metal” band so thought it was worth a look…

    Looked at it and saw a link to the online purchase
    http://www.epes.fi/fi/product_details.php?p=5473

    Went to the website. And can’t find a single way of getting a 30 second sample of the music to see how much it sucks? :)

    YAY… No wonder Lion Music is trying to get themselves noticed… LMAO… That country is still in the Bronze Age possibly worse… I wonder if when I order the album if it comes to be on a 78RPM record? Now where did I put my gramophone?

  • Finlaaaaaaaaaaaaaand

    Oh God no please don’t take away my Finnish Hard Rock!

    When you think of the great hard rock bands of all time, only one country comes to mind: F’n Finland.

    Below is a comprehensive list of the great bands that have been signed by this label over the years:

    Exactly. Good riddance.

  • Name

    I clicked the link to the murder of music page and a bit of the first post. This guy complains about how hard it is to master an instrument and says that he should be compensated for his hard work. Blah blah same old shit.

    There is this hilarious line in there though. He says that when you pirate music, you are LITERALLY stealing bread off their table and spitting in their face. So basically, if you download maybe 5 dollars worth of their most-likely-shit music, even if you were sitting down in a computer chair on the other side of the world, you subconsciously transport to their house, take some bread of of their table, and then spit in their face. LITERALLY.

    I lol’d. I would also like to spit in his stupid face

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  • DJB

    What a tantrum. I’ve hever heard about Finnish hard whatever until this rant took place. If you wanted to put Finland on the map, well done. If you want my money; go away you silly people. This is the brave new world; if you can’t get with it then go work for another industry.
    Now I’m off to check out some music…

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