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RIAA Wants To Shutter Torrent Sites, And More

The RIAA has informed the U.S. government about the piracy-promoting websites it would like to be dealt with in the near future. The list includes all major torrent sites, but also Russia’s Facebook and Classmates equivalent. The submission is particularly sensitive because the House Judiciary Committee today discussed the pending Stop Online Piracy Act, which would grant copyright holders the power to put these sites out of business.

riaaLeading up to today’s hearing in Washington, there has been a lot of talk about the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA).

Aside from making streaming of copyrighted content a felony, the pending bill aims to make it easier to put sites that facilitate copyright infringement out of business.

Should SOPA become law authorities and copyright holders will have a broad range of tools to censor sites they deem to be facilitating copyright infringement. Aside from domain seizures, they can demand that search engines remove ‘rogue sites’ from their results, order ISPs to block these domains, and cut off their payments providers.

One of the problems with the legislation is that the definition of such infringing sites is open to interpretation. Today we can reveal which sites are on the hit list of the RIAA, and it comes as no surprise that all the major BitTorrent sites are prominently featured.

The RIAA was kind enough to send TorrentFreak a copy of their latest overview of “notorious” websites that was sent to the Office of the US Trade Representative (the MPAA submitted theirs earlier). We were asked not to share the letter in full, but below is a rundown of some of the most prominent sites that are mentioned.

“RIAA members are excited about the potential of the internet and other communication technologies to provide an efficient means of distribution to music lovers globally. Regrettably, this potential remains largely unrealized—mired in a morass of piracy,” the letter addressed to the USTR reads.

The RIAA hopes that their list of sites will help the government to focus their anti-piracy efforts, and in a way it can be viewed as a priority “hit list” should SOPA become law. If it was up to the music group, this list would include all prominent BitTorrent sites.

“P2P file-sharing remains a huge problem for the record industry. BitTorrent, a P2P filesharing protocol, is responsible for approximately 50% of the industry’s global P2P piracy problem and in some international markets the figure is as high as 90%. BitTorrent sites and services, across the board, are high priority pirate markets,” the RIAA writes.

Based on visitor count, the number of pirated music files that are linked, and the sites’ failure to take steps to address the massive piracy problem, they arrive at the following list:

  • ThePirateBay.org
  • isoHunt.com
  • Torrentz.eu
  • BTjunkie.org
  • Kat.ph
  • Demonoid.me
  • Bitsnoop.com
  • TorrentReactor.net
  • TorrentHound.com
  • Monova.org
  • BTmon.com
  • Fenopy.eu
  • H33T.com
  • SUMOTorrent.com
  • LimeTorrents.com

Under SOPA, all the above domains could be put out of business without due process, the only requirement is that the Attorney General has to sign off on it.

Aside from BitTorrent sites the RIAA also wants cyberlockers such as Megaupload, Filesonic and 4shared to be dealt with, as well as the search engine FilesTube, and the forum Warez-BB.org. And there is more.

The RIAA points out that there are also several foreign sites that have copyright infringing “features” such as Russia’s main social networking site VKontakte and the Chinese search engine Sougou.

“In some sense, services such as Russia’s VKontakte and Odnoklassniki, and China’s Sougou and Xunlei are the most reprehensible of actors given that they want to appear as legitimate actors, and have functions unrelated to piracy, yet operate network services that include features that intentionally and effectively induce infringement,” the RIAA explains.

This last example shows that the definition of infringing sites can become very subjective down the line. It only requires a little creative writing to make half of the websites on the Internet appear as a rogue site, and thus eligible to be shut down.

Aside from the copyright issues, there is a broader international censorship issue at stake here. SOPA would grant U.S. authorities to seize the .com domains of Russia and China’s top tech companies with a strike of the pen. We doubt that these countries will be very pleased with that – just imagine how the U.S. would react if the opposite was true…

That would mean war.

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  • Rage

    And with the power grab of the FCC ala “Net Neutrality” all this will be accomplished at record speed.

    • Guest

      Its not the power-grab that worries me it’s the cognitive ability of a Senate that has almost no comprehension of the technology they are voting about.

      This from Techdirt (16th Nov):

      “The first, by former Homeland Security Assistant Secretary and former NSA General Counsel, Stewart Baker, was raised a few times during the hearings. Baker focused on the problems of SOPA and PROTECT IP and their impact on online security. He notes that the DNS blocking portions of both bills “run directly counter” to the government’s cybersecurity efforts:

      Because “block and redirect” is exactly what crooks are doing today to bank customers. If the bills become law, the security system won’t be able to tell the difference between sites that have been blocked by law and those that have been sabotaged by hackers. Indeed, it isn’t hard to imagine crooks redirecting users to sites that say, “You were redirected here because the site you asked for has violated copyright,” while at the same time planting malware on the user’s computer.

      There’s much more in the article as well, noting that these laws won’t actually help Hollywood and will “leave the rest of us hurting and poorer for years.” The really tragic part of the hearing is that when all of the panelists were asked about Baker’s statement, every single one of them admitted that they didn’t understand the technology enough to really comment. The best that the MPAA’s Michael O’Leary could blurt out was that he “didn’t agree.”"

      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111116/11400016792/more-more-people-speak-up-against-sopa.shtml

      >
      This can reach out and effect everyone in the world. The consequences are, literally, terrifying and the people reaching a judgement on it barely understand it. I mean, you couldn’t make this up!

      If this was the plot for a novel it would be dismissed as ludicrous.

      This is truly, truly, scary shit.

    • Yakisha

      ““RIAA members are excited about the potential of the internet and other communication technologies to provide an efficient means of distribution to music lovers globally. Regrettably, this potential remains largely unrealized—mired in a morass of piracy,” the letter addressed to the USTR reads.”

      Ah, so u deny music people rights for years, then slowly u wake up, and not u say “I get it, we need to get our music online” You should have provided the public with what they needed long ago. U dug ur own grave, and being with mafiaa.org (u and them, you are both organized crime anyways)

    • Anonymous

      You don’t know fuck-all about fuck-all. How much of your bandwidth do you think your carrier plans to allocate to BitTorrent if Net Neutrality is killed?

    • The Final Prosecutor

      I haven’t read all the comments, but this is my take on it:

      The majority in the US House is in with the mafia. And, most of the “artists” who are worried about their revenues declining from less sales due to torrenting are in the mafia also. It’s all a bunch of back-room, cigar-chomping, good-old-boy wheeling and dealing, the way it’s been since entertainment went industrial.

      Don’t expect anything good from the Republicans on this: they will use any method to keep themselves in power, including, apparently, denying the constitutional right of due process to “offenders”. In this, it’s the Republicans who are the offenders.

      Jail the bankers!

  • Twice Daily

    There is little that can be said.
    You’ll have no money out of me.
    My subscription terminates with the death of the last site.
    Fight to the bitter end…make a movie of it…I wont be buying.

  • http://twitter.com/al_d_25 booda dass

    so few comments i guess this site got block in the USA … umm The land of the Free? lol

    • Rage

      Im in the US, its not blocked for me.

      • Guest

        You’re all dumbed doomed!
        Goodbye America. Goodbye the American dream.
        Hope you enjoy your closed door policy.
        You’re are not even ‘free’ to share amongst yourselves.
        And you wonder why half the world would dance to hear of your destruction.
        Megalomaniac despots. Goodbye…and good riddance.
        The boycott begins NOW.

        • Pilgrimman007

          I’m surprised you have internet in whatever shit-hole country you live in. America is and will continue to be the greatest nation on Earth. Deal with it.

        • Guest

          @Pilgrimman007

          Enjoy your New World Techno Slavery.
          The rest of us in the FREE world will fight you to the last.

        • Laikita

          emule to the rescue, regardless its a great program and domain siezures etc won’t do shit to it as it doesn’t rely pretty much on www links as torrents do. This is the torrent problem.

        • Djb

          hahaha they put more money in to wars and copywrong shit, instead of helping their own people!!! tut tut!!! us of gay!!

        • Ciberratt

          I’m from America. I have lived overseas. The idea that America is the fgreatest country on the earth is simply the propaganda they fed us since kindergarden. It is not the best place on earth. It certainly is not the most free. America has become more and more of a police state since I grew up in the 70′s and 80′s. My family does business in China and has n office there. Ironically you are free to do more there in many ways 6than here. (just don’t talk bad about the government is all lol). The Netherlands are very nice. New Zeland, Australia, Japan, just to name a few. It is simply arrogant, not to mention just plain *wrong* to say the USA is the bset place to be. I’m from the US and am, mostly, ashamed to call it home. America is a great *concept* but the execution has left a lot to be desired.

        • Guest

          Look at what we have done. This is what being “safe” gets us Americans. I am ashamed to call myself an American. Freedom doesn’t come without a price. All you people scared of terrorist attacks and afraid of getting highjacked or blown up, giving up your freedom to be “safe” now look where we are. We are allowing our own people to control us, telling us what to say, what to eat, how to live, what we can and can’t do! constitutional rights mean nothing anymore. You sit on your asses and cry about every little thing while men die for the rights that you so easily throw away. Its time for this country to be torn down and rebuilt. Power needs to be taken from the few and given back to the many. America has become an atheistic dictatorship. Its time for a change!

          Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

      • Muso2112

        Not blocked, removed. It won’t matter where you are. If the domain is seized, it’s GONE. Not there!

        • Lordhoff31

          they can only remove .com domains

        • Lordhoff31

          they can only remove .com domains

        • Anonion

          @Lordhoff31 not true.
          .org .net and many many others are under us jurisdiction. The internet as we know it was never really global. what we are seeing right now is only the tip of the iceberg..

        • Djb

          http://www.piratebay.org is immune to .com seizures!!

      • Miesha

        this site was blocked temporairly yesterday, but hours later not blocked. hope that helps. It had a huge warning “site blocked by us governement to americans” even though I had a swedish ip….

        • Anonymous

          Script likely bugged…

        • Bdpdestp

          It was the “National Censorship Day”.
          TF wanted to show what it would be like bro :)

  • Some guest

    Thank you RIAA for making a list of sites I should visit.

    • Erthwjim

      That’s what I’m saying, I only knew some of those sites.

    • DANNY

      LOL!!! LMAO!!

    • Joli

      They probably use these sites them self they are probably too cheep to pay themselfs for there own music

    • Joli

      They probably use these sites them self they are probably too cheep to pay themselfs for there own music

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Quimby-Lipzor/100002590391577 Quimby Lipzor

      agreed – I knew some of them. Not all. Glad to have a more comprehensive list. :)

  • Tti

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  • Tti

    RIP TTi. Fuck the enforcement agencies.

  • Guest

    I don’t understand how they could block a website like with a .org domain name or .eu or .me…

    They only can block it in the US – won’t change much for the other people all around the world…

    • Anonymous

      except the US will put such pressure on those other countries, eg, like threaten sanctions, most of those other countries will buckle almost instantly. all because of one industry. the impact on US economy and US standing in the world will be greatly diminished. they preach one thing yet will be doing the opposite. does the US really think there will be no retaliation if they take this stance? cant wait for them to fail miserably and get all that is deserved!

      • http://profiles.google.com/daniel142005 Daniel Weisinger

        I don’t see Europe and a few others standing for it though. This could very well start WW3, or at the least Civil War 2.0 (Like Web 2.0? Get it? sigh, nvm.). This is a serious deal.

        • Mike

          Wow, World War 3 or Civil War 2.0? They can’t just pass the bill if it would have serious threats like that. I already signed the whatchamacalits, so hopefully freedom in America can remain the same.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          I don’t see that happening actually. For many reasons.

          One of which is that within ten years the west will be waking up to the fact that China is currently working on gaining the same superiority in current intellectual property portfolios that they have in manufacturing today.

          Meaning that any nation not dropping the entire idea of intellectual property will be standing bent over with their pants around the ankles waiting for China to take aim.

          And this is why China is happily signing off on every US IP treaty while blithely ignoring the fact that an estimated 62% of the chinese online community are filesharers. And that chinese entrepreneurs in general treat patents and licensing as toilet paper.

      • Guest

        Ok, this would work for EU (presure) but what about russia? china?

        not sure…

      • some guy

        i thought US was in recession?is it still that relevant :D

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

          Not sure if it’s relevant, but the US has not been in a recession since June 2009. They were thinking a couple months ago that a new recession might be coming, but that fear has passed. That said, things are not great.

        • Scan33

          Yes they are still in a recession with over 40 millions poor peoples since last record out last week. But it doesn’t mater, even if there are approaching a Third World country economies they still print money like crazy.

    • Anonymous

      except the US will put such pressure on those other countries, eg, like threaten sanctions, most of those other countries will buckle almost instantly. all because of one industry. the impact on US economy and US standing in the world will be greatly diminished. they preach one thing yet will be doing the opposite. does the US really think there will be no retaliation if they take this stance? cant wait for them to fail miserably and get all that is deserved!

    • 4iab

      ICANN, the company in charge of registering .com domains is US-based compay, therefore anyone connecting to a .com address will have to look up the DNS as provided by ICANN. Therefore the US can force ICANN to remove a DNS from its database, blocking it all over the world.

  • http://twitter.com/vardenrhode VR

    If this bill passes, I will buy NOTHING more sponsored by the RIAA. My pocketbook is closed forever.

    • JamesMadison

      You don’t buy anything anyway, you tool.

      I suppose music sales disappeared for no reason at all.

      What a douche.

      Go pound sand.

      • Guest

        Go away hairy troll! Nobody care about your fake for hire opinion!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

          I enjoy the troll posts, because they are so easily rebutted. It gives us the opportunity to trot out some facts and educate fellow readers. Very few trolls ever reply, so we even get the last word.

        • DANNY

          HE HAS THE RIAA’S COCK UP HIS ASS!!

      • Fredrika

        > “I suppose music sales disappeared for no reason at all.”

        You seem confused. Sales in the music industry are higher than ever before. It has grown for each year the last 15 years.

        Record sales, which is a small part of all the music sales(which also includes the ever strong live industry), however, has obviously gone down, since less people want CD’s.

        For almost the 10 first years of filesharing the record industry did not sell what people wanted, i.e. DRM-free MP3-files, so no sales could be made.

        Now that they do sell DRM-free MP3-files, record sales should still go down 80% in the end, since people no longer buy the entire album for $15, but only the three best tracks from an album, for $3.

      • Pilgrimman007

        I’d bet money that you “liked” your own comment. How you managed to type that comment with a humungous RIAA schlong in your mouth is anyone’s guess, however…

      • JimMadEnough

        Music sales only ‘disappeared’ from physical products peddlers. The money went into all the download services like iTunes, Amazon, Play, HMV, We7 etc etc etc.

        • Guest

          Exactly. And they realise this fact. Why else would they spend so much fucking money trying to command EVERYTHING content based on the internet.
          Trolls are so retarded and brainwashed, they actually are THE problem.

      • JimMadEnough

        Music sales only ‘disappeared’ from physical products peddlers. The money went into all the download services like iTunes, Amazon, Play, HMV, We7 etc etc etc.

      • Anonymous

        Bye Bye you troll.There will be mass protests and this will be the nail in the coffin for big content.The youth will rise and be as pissed off as we older folks were over the Vietnam War.Americans are not going to be happy at CENSORSHIP !
        Our Country was meant to be Free and Uncensored.SOPA = WAR.I will be going to a lawyer and ACLU ready to file a lawsuit as I am a DIY Artist who is sharing (seeding) 6 albums of worth of my music for free.Go ahead and look up The GoreHounds,Big Meat Hammer,The Lynnn Rebels, and The Transplants (boton punk 1976-80).Sharing them all on public trackers and you all have my permission to spread my Art.
        Please oh Please join together and stop buying anything from big content.Truly boycott them as I have been doing.Only purchase used physical media and do not use ITUNES/NETFLIX/ETC as big content will get revenue that way.Stay out of the theaters.It is time to truly make war on these assholes.This time they have pushed us all to far.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “I suppose music sales disappeared for no reason at all.”

        Are we talking about the same music industry which for the last ten years has been breaking records in growth and sales every year, including during recession?

        Reality and fact does not concur with your statements, good sir. With all due respect – drop the crack pipe, please.

    • Guest

      I don’t buy anything from MAFIAA for a long time.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    I am going to save this whole list of sites so I can get the IP addresses in the event that SOPA gets passed. With the IP addresses, I would easily be able to tell people the IP address if they happen to need it ever for any reason. Also, if it passes, I will never buy from the RIAA again. This bill is awful.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    I am going to save this whole list of sites so I can get the IP addresses in the event that SOPA gets passed. With the IP addresses, I would easily be able to tell people the IP address if they happen to need it ever for any reason. Also, if it passes, I will never buy from the RIAA again. This bill is awful.

    • http://ompldr.org/vYXc2MA/see-what-i-thought-id-do-was-id-pretend-i-was-one-of-those-slut-whores.html w3ts1ut

      Torrentfreak commenter’s get top priority of alternative sources of content in my book – I will be obsessively making mirrors ’till no end! And if Disqus has to censor it, I’ll start a ‘Bring back PGP + email’ campaign – already a reason to host I2P mirrors, VPS mirrors (yeah, this would harm many US-based server hosts to a large degree – and they’re bitching about ‘pirates’ killing jobs), SOPA is good for absolutely nothing.

      Solidify the swarms, social circles, for information freedom as a longterm goal. SOPA is a baton smash to the face of the net, people need to seriously band together and take the fairly extremist stance to not put a dime into popular media sanctioned by the mafiaa – DVD’s, theater experience, screw all of that – get pissed off, and tell your favorite artists exactly why you’re pissed.

      • Anonymous

        SOPA does create jobs.. for those who are fortunate to already have one…

    • Gargamel

      1. Don’t bother with the IP adresses. MAFIAAFIRE has already been invented.

      2. You should’ve never bought something from the RIAA in the 1st place.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    I am going to save this whole list of sites so I can get the IP addresses in the event that SOPA gets passed. With the IP addresses, I would easily be able to tell people the IP address if they happen to need it ever for any reason. Also, if it passes, I will never buy from the RIAA again. This bill is awful.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    I am going to save this whole list of sites so I can get the IP addresses in the event that SOPA gets passed. With the IP addresses, I would easily be able to tell people the IP address if they happen to need it ever for any reason. Also, if it passes, I will never buy from the RIAA again. This bill is awful.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    I am going to save this whole list of sites so I can get the IP addresses in the event that SOPA gets passed. With the IP addresses, I would easily be able to tell people the IP address if they happen to need it ever for any reason. Also, if it passes, I will never buy from the RIAA again. This bill is awful.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    I am going to save this whole list of sites so I can get the IP addresses in the event that SOPA gets passed. With the IP addresses, I would easily be able to tell people the IP address if they happen to need it ever for any reason. Also, if it passes, I will never buy from the RIAA again. This bill is awful.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    I am going to save this whole list of sites so I can get the IP addresses in the event that SOPA gets passed. With the IP addresses, I would easily be able to tell people the IP address if they happen to need it ever for any reason. Also, if it passes, I will never buy from the RIAA again. This bill is awful.

  • Timothy McMahon

    Guess it’s about time to purchase an off-shore VPN to proxy through.

    • Guest

      just use an off-shore DNS server. They’re free…

  • Anonco

    US gov are just stupid… When they will cut advertisers in the US, webmasters will just find others advertisers offshore, I guess offshore domains will become very very popular,,, and so on. They will just loose jobs and money, loose everything to countries that are more open-minded to technology industries.
    I have planned to transfer all my domains registred at godaddy to somewhere out of USA bullshit administration…

    • John

      I dunno why godaddy is so popular anyways, people should have ditched them forever after they deleted thousands of model sites with no oversite years ago.
      There was lots of great work that was lost forever b/c of godaddy hosting.

    • GoDaddy sucks

      Try gandi.net!

    • Guest

      Yep….already happening.

      US businesses are already preempting the introduction of SOPA, or something similar to it, and are abandoning ship. CNET reports on a business moving its location from California. This migration will not only continue, but is also likely to accelerate. This whole thing, payed for by a single monopoly, and which will only profit THEM in the long-run, will cost the American people and the American economy tens of times more than what the government imagines it can recoup.

    • Guest

      Yep….already happening.

      US businesses are already preempting the introduction of SOPA, or something similar to it, and are abandoning ship. CNET reports on a business moving its location from California. This migration will not only continue, but is also likely to accelerate. This whole thing, payed for by a single monopoly, and which will only profit THEM in the long-run, will cost the American people and the American economy tens of times more than what the government imagines it can recoup.

    • Guest

      Yep….already happening.

      US businesses are already preempting the introduction of SOPA, or something similar to it, and are abandoning ship. CNET reports on a business moving its location from California. This migration will not only continue, but is also likely to accelerate. This whole thing, payed for by a single monopoly, and which will only profit THEM in the long-run, will cost the American people and the American economy tens of times more than what the government imagines it can recoup.

  • Privatetrackers

    Let them have the public trackers, private trackers are not listed XD

    • Anonymous

      TPB doesn’t run a tracker anymore, and they don’t host infringing content. But they’d be taken down anyway, because RIAA doesn’t like them.

  • DT

    I’ll admit to having pirated music and movies. But if I really enjoyed them, I went out and bought the Blu-ray or CD to add to my collection. If a law such as this is passed then it looks like my collection wont grow anymore as I will no longer buy the media I enjoy. If this passed, I’ll devote myself to piracy.

    • Drapes

      Liar.

      • nevdka

        Douche.

      • Guest

        Troll.

        • ????

          Guest.

        • ????

          Guest.

    • http://twitter.com/exenter exenter

      You buy music? You filthy scum! Why would you support the music industry?

  • Momo

    “Under SOPA, all the above domains could be put out of business without due process, the only requirement is that the Attorney General has to sign off on it.”

    I’m willing to bet that all SOPA claims will be sent straight to the office of the Attorney General’s left-hand man, Associate Attorney General Thomas J Perrelli. Why? Because Thomas J Perrelli is a former RIAA lawyer. In fact, he is “The” RIAA lawyer responsible for the latest US copyright extension. Yes actually, that IS what we call a stitch-up.

    ‘merkins, your corrupt government is censoring the internet — what are you gonna do about it???

    • Predator

      “‘merkins, your corrupt government is censoring the internet — what are you gonna do about it??? ”

      Get ride of it.

    • Anonymous

      We will all need to do our part in bringing down the Censorship.We will have to spread the word and do a true boycott of the RIAA & MPAA

  • https://thepiratebay.org/user/manOtor/ manOtor

    The US belongs to China for some time now. The criminals ruling Hollywood seem to collaborate with the new masters: preparing the western world for oppression and being ripped off in every thinkable way.

    Anyway, I refuse to believe that common sense has left the building completely:
    This bill won’t pass!
    There, I said it.
    Positive thinking.
    Ahh, but still, there is nothing better than a good sweet panic once in a while ;)…

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Except that China doesn’t seem to care very much about copyright infringement at all. How else to explain that 62% of the Chinese online community is filesharing?

  • YoudontneedtoknowwhoIam

    This is nothing more than yet another warning that the next Civil war is coming…it’s depressing to see that things in this country yet again will come to bloodshed because of stupidity…

  • Sabel44

    I actually want SOPA to pass just to see how the net would route around it.

  • Anonymous

    Someone make available online this document (PDF) submitted by the RIAA to USTR, please.

  • Anon

    Wow they want to try closing down russian and chinese websites?

    I’m not surprised seeing how the U.S. government still dislikes Russia (Deep in their hearts.) aaand… China is communist.
    So it’s more than just closing down. Trying to control other countries eh?
    Typical US behaviour.
    They aren’t going to get anywhere with this,
    first of all any kind of internet act prohibiting people is by definition quite like facism/communism. I hate this government I live in, always big poop dump of hypocrisy.

    • merethan

      The US has found a new enemy to wage war against in Islam, so the communists and the red scare is no longer needed.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, having a blast today.. Email box full of requests from people; if i can block their sites for them (put up the same “stop censorship” banner as here on TF). And when it’s over i get to remove it again. If this is what the government meant by creating work in the IT sector they can keep it. Lol.

  • steal fusion

    there is nothing free about America .they are just zombies getting slowly controlled and prisoned by their government .if these sites go off line then there wont be any reason for the millions of users to do .so it makes sence that they will probably terminate there isp which in turn will bankrupt them so looks like allot of loses for everybody

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Even if SOPA passes the Congress, I am sure that Obama will veto the law and, if he doesn’t, that the Supreme and other federal courts would take issue with some of the parts of the law.

    • http://profiles.google.com/snow.paul paul snow

      Ha ha ha ha ha!!! That was a good one!

      Ha……Ha…….hee…..hmmmmm

      You weren’t joking? Funny, because Obama and Bidden have never seen a strong IP policy or law that their friends in Hollywood didn’t like.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        THAT THEIR FRIENDS IN HOLLYWOOD DIDN’T LIKE being the key term there. Just because their ‘friends’ who are more allies like something, doesn’t mean that Obama and Biden do.
        In fact, Obama has shown himself more willing than most Presidents to tell his allies where to stick it.

        • Zig

          Yes, his allies, like the millions who supported him because he said he’d end the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and bring the US’ troops home, but he told those supporters to stick it when he announced that he’d actually send yet more troops into those war zones and would like to extend the number of wars by sending troops into African nations, invading parts of Pakistan and generally completely encircling Iran with a view to starting a war there too.

          And they gave this man a Nobel Peace Prize!? Politick!

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Zig

          “And they gave this man a Nobel Peace Prize!? Politick!”

          Be fair. Obama isn’t bush. That alone earns him a nobel prize in my book.

          Then again, the same argument would hold true for Stalin and Chairman Mao…

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Zig, read the news. He is ending the war in Iraq and the reason he didn’t end it sooner was because the Rethugs were putting adamantium walls in his way until recently to prevent him from doing that.

          Afghanistan is winding down as well, I see us in there maybe another year and then we will start winding things down.

        • Zig

          @Christopher

          From a Guardian story about the reality behind Obama’s latest announcements over troop withdrawal:

          “The US suffered a major diplomatic and military rebuff on Friday when Iraq finally rejected its pleas to maintain bases in the country beyond this year.

          Barack Obama announced at a White House press conference that all American troops will leave Iraq by the end of December, a decision forced by the final collapse of lengthy talks between the US and the Iraqi government on the issue.

          The Iraqi decision is a boost to Iran, which has close ties with many members of the Iraqi government and which had been battling against the establishment of permanent American bases.

          Obama attempted to make the most of it by presenting the withdrawal as the fulfilment of one of his election promises.

          “Today I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America’s war in Iraq will be over,” he told reporters.

          But he had already announced this earlier this year, and the real significance today was in the failure of Obama, in spite of the cost to the US in dollars and deaths, to persuade the Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to allow one or more American bases to be kept in the country.”

          —————————————————————————–

          Full story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases

          Like I said – politick! He’s just spinning the fact that the US are being kicked out of Iraq into a story that he’s made the decision before the American public actually start to ask questions.

  • Anonymous

    phlpn.es/7x9vmd

    • Antispam

      Remove this spam please. This is annoying.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    If we take even a cursory measure of the opposition that SOPA has egendered, and the shrill horror with which that opposition persuasively addresses SOPA’s most salient features, then we might take comfort that perhaps this time SOPA can’t be crammed quietly past concerned, but distracted citizens, in the middle of the political midnight.

    Yet, there will be no comfort here for any concerned citizen who takes a long term or even a medium term view of the economic and political meaning of SOPA and the
    institutional substance of the legislators who have insisted on giving it life.

    There will be many more political midnights, perhaps more quiet ones in which to pass SOPA by any other name.

    The legislators who have through SOPA and similar legislation chosen to empower
    the narrow pecuniary interests of powerful corporations above the constitutional rights of individual Americans, understand that as they use legislative power and opportunity to create pecuniary wealth for these corporate constuents through legislation, those corporate constituencies can be counted on to use the resulting eonomic power to make the difference in the next election on their behalf.

    No entity in the institutionalized American democratic process has a more pristine understanding in this regard than the current American Republican party; and, no entity in that arena suffers from a more poignant confusion regarding that schiszism than the American Democratic party. Individual American citizens go about their political lives praying that whatever is attenuating their civl rights and liberties can
    yet be counteracted by the mere power of their individual votes.

    Not much comfort will be found there.

    There, the individual American citizen reminds us of the little Dutch boy who only had ten fingers.

    That fable never told us what happened when the dike broke.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      I’m reminded of how the finalized patriot act was passed – by having congress read it, then amending it and putting it back on the table with numerous rewritten passages two hours before the quorum was to be taken.

      I.e. what congress actually voted on wasn’t what they had all read and approved of.

      The tragedy is that no employee in the body politic actually wants the ability to sneak unpopular legislation under the radar to go away – because it’s tacitly assumed that such methods may prove useful for them as well.

      I’ve been assuming for quite some time that many political hierarchies actively promote the development of psychotic disorders in incumbents due to the actively enforced prevailing standard of doublethink and resulting cognitive dissonance.

  • Alcari

    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is when the .com domain was put out of its misery, and we all learned to live with typing 2 or 3 different letters behind our websites.

    Yes, truly a great day for the RIAA and the american people, when a law is passed that will require at least 5 hours of work to counteract for the people who you conveniently listed publicly.

    Never mind that this also creates an incredibly exploitable tool for censorship…

  • Alcari

    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is when the .com domain was put out of its misery, and we all learned to live with typing 2 or 3 different letters behind our websites.

    Yes, truly a great day for the RIAA and the american people, when a law is passed that will require at least 5 hours of work to counteract for the people who you conveniently listed publicly.

    Never mind that this also creates an incredibly exploitable tool for censorship…

  • AntiSec

    If this SOPA shit passes we will evict iTune from internet permanently.

    You have been warned corporatists!

  • blackbeard

    I am glad with the bad economy and all that my congressman has time to make laws against teenagers downloading music from the internet. Hey since they cant make laws that will get our economy working again. I guess they’ll settle on scaring parents and their kids with jail time and fines. THANKS GOP!

    • Predator

      Congress Approval: 9% The worst ever No wonder why. We might be able to send the congress home by petitioning. But we need to send the White House and the justice home as well.

      • Guest

        On OpenCongress, a non-profit, non-partisan public resource that provides the public with access to bills currently before Congress, is one of the coalition of websites that are participating in American Censorship Day to protest the SOPA hearing. On its website, which allows users to vote on whether they support or oppose bills in Congress, SOPA has a 2% approval rating. Ninety-eight percent oppose the bill.

        • Guest

          There is sense left in the world. MAFIAA’s gonna be p’ssed though. All that money they wasted. :P

    • Jane

      Moron. It’s not just the GOP. You can lay a lot of the blame at the fucking worthless Demonrats too.

  • Colonel_Pat

    the record industry remains a huge problem for the United State Of America and it’s citizens. We have to call the marines.

  • Guest

    I wonder how many US soldiers will join the insurrection against the corporate parasites and the Zionists.

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  • Anonymous

    It always makes me mad to see their lists include Torrentz.

    Now with something like TPB and several other BT sites you clearly know where they stand and their intentions. So they are well into this fight and fair game for such hate lists.

    With Torrentz though it is simply a search engine. Examine it from front page to hidden source code and you wont find any promotion of piracy. Neither have they stated in any way that they reject piracy. The site is as blank as you can get and their political viewpoint to copyright is unknown.

    Torrentz is simply a search system of other BT sites and since they recommend no media at all then visitors only find there what they are searching for. It seems questionable of the RIAA to conclude that visitors to Torrentz aim to infringe their artists media instead of the many lawful options include loads of freely shared media released under Creative Commons.

    Let me grab this bull by the horns. The great RIAA versus Torrentz court case comes around. Now what exactly would the RIAA charge Torrentz with? Conspiracy to do what exactly?

    My point of course is that the RIAA hate Torrentz for the one simple fact that they are popular. It is very unlikely though that the current law supports their desire to put Torrentz out of business. Let us hope it stays that way.

    • Guest

      Because they utilise P2P software.
      It is not the companies they simply want busted, it’s the use of this protocol.
      They want it forbidden so no further resurgence can be expected later.
      Second reason? The more servers are taken down, the easier it is highlight, demonise, and destroy the next target.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

    “We were asked not to share the letter in full.” Why comply with such a silly request? The RIAA’s letter is in fact available on regulations.gov (document ID USTR-2011-0012-0010 (click, then click on the PDF link)), where “Information presented on this Web site is considered public information and may be distributed or copied” and “Comments submitted through Regulations.gov cannot be claimed as Confidential Business Information.”

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Apparently, the bastards removed that link, because it doesn’t load at all in Firefox, Chrome or Internet Explorer for me.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

        I noticed there was a temporary outage of the site, but it’s working at the moment for me.

  • Benjamin Stroud

    I was big into this at the beginning, like 10 years ago, but I have to admit, when I used these sites, I quit buying CDs. Anyone who’s honest will admit as much. I know kids with fucking external hard drives by the dozens. It’s greed. It’s an addiction. It’s like digital hoarding. Years and years worth of music they haven’t even listened to as they run out to buy another few TBs to fill up. What the hell? Now, I’m glad they quit harassing and punishing people with million dollar fines, but just closing these sites? I can’t say I see a problem with that. Go ahead and call me a troll. Like I care.

    • Fredrika

      You don’t see any problems with the US government kidnapping the domains of fully legal sites, that breaks no law? Seriously?

      • Benjamin Stroud

        The law is whatever the gov’t says it is. Whether that law is justifiable or not is another matter. Anything else?

        • Fredrika

          That is correct. Neither of the above mentioned sites break any laws in the countries where they operate from. Did you not know this?

          The fact that Riaa claims a site is infringing copyright doesn’t necessarily mean that they actually do, according to the relevant legislation.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          How’s it going, Anon? Finally got a new name, to add to your half-dozen others on here….. trying to make it appear that you are a majority on here?

        • Benjamin Stroud

          Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works. Google some shit and get back at me….I think the point is to pressure the countries into changing their own laws. Seems obvious.

        • Fredrika

          > “Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works.”

          Which has no problem with fully legalized non-profit filesharing, which is the reason why non-profit filesharing is legal today in many countries around the world, without getting hassled with regards to the Berne Convention.

          > “I think the point is to pressure the countries into changing their own laws.”

          By kidnapping the domain names of fully legal sites?

          > “Again, whatever the country says, is law. So if the US, or any other country wants to pressure a country into closing a site, or close it through online measures. Whatever. Blah blah blah.”

          Of course, the hell with free speech, companies operating fully legal sites, and what the relevant laws actually says. The only thing that matters is that these sites are closed down, so that the American entertainment industry’s doesn’t have any competitors on the market.

          You are aware of that such reasoning constitutes text book fascism?

          > “You’re so jarred up ready to do some ridiculous ‘internet battle thing’, you’ve missed my entire point.”

          Actually, i got the relevant core point very clearly. The rest of the world should kneel before the wishes of the American entertainment industry. And nothing can be allowed to stand in the way.

        • Benjamin Stroud

          Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works. Google some shit and get back at me….I think the point is to pressure the countries into changing their own laws. Seems obvious.

        • Benjamin Stroud

          Hahahaha. Look at Fredrika gettin’ all worked up. It’s hilarious. If my posts are so clueless, as I already know them to be, why are you still responding to them? Hahaha. BTW< I guess I meant 'The World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty'. Not the Berne thing I mentioned earlier. Whoops! 'The World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty was adopted in 1996 to address the issues raised by information technology and the Internet, which were not addressed by the Berne Convention.' But you probably already knew that, right? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Google some more shit…and write me another breathlessly self righteous tome defending my right to watch free porn and listen to pirated music. Please? =D I got a few torrents in que and need some entertainment to kill the time.

        • Fredrika

          > “Look at Fredrika gettin’ all worked up into a slather. It’s hilarious.”

          Worked up? And why are you commenting on your perception of things irrelevant to the topic? Have you ever heard of the expression non “quis sed quid”.

          What you just wrote is a personal attack on me, and has nothing to do with this discussion, other than proving that you simply has no actual sustainable arguments to put forward, and that you lack the skill to debate in a polite manner, without resorting to Ad hominem-rhetoric’s, which is were you lose the debate.

          > “If my posts are so clueless, as I already know them to be..”

          So you admit to trolling, and posting nonsense?

          > “..why are you still responding to them?”

          When someone, for whatever reason, put forward erroneous claim’s as if they were facts, someone should obviously correct them.

          > “BTW< I guess I meant 'The World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty'."

          Wipo has no problems with legalized non-profit filesharing, it’s fully possible to remove the prohibition against non-profit filesharing, and still be in compliance with Wipo. Did you not know this?

          > “..and write me another breathlessly self righteous tome defending my right to watch free porn and listen to pirated music.”

          You must have misunderstood something i have written. I have never tried to defend or justify such, nor would i, since there is no need for such defence or justification.

        • Benjamin Stroud

          Fredrika, will you fart in a bag for me?

        • Zig

          No, the law is whatever the judiciary says it is.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          The same argument you present also holds that Rosa Parks should just have given up the damn seat on the bus.

          The similarity? A law which mainly allows everyone and anyone who believes they have a stake to shut down a company by simply pointing a finger and screaming “J’accuse!”. Without either jury or trial.

          This is where the law becomes unjustifiable. And I believe you actually should see a major problem with that.

        • Trespass

          You sir are an idiot. Thus the initials BS, which are yours entirely…

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Perhaps your fair point speaks to the distance between the current copyright law (which is universally rejected except by its economicly priviledged beneficiaries), and the, as yet unrealized, better alternative; which, after a very brief demarcated period of relegating the preponderance of lucre only to the original creative artist, would make all intellectual property the patrimonial wealth of all citizens in the public domain. Here, citizens would not be inclined to horde (or horde as much) because they would have a high level of confidence that the socially critical stake in human culture would be available in perpetuity to them directly, rather than being dripped to them in legislatively decreed scarcity and through the intermediation of a priviledged and selfserving corporate elite.

      To the extent that one admits, even theoreticly, that the current copyright law is seriously defective, one can begin to see the behavioral adaptation of citizens to that law in a new and more constructive light. More importantly, it then becomes apparant that the crushing priorities requiring changes to the current copyright law ALL speak, not to the parrochial pecuniary equity issues involving allocation of this business cost or that business expense or that business profit; but, to the infinitely more important and compelling implications of the current copyright law for the continued existence of meaningful democratic process and democratic rights in America and Europe and perhaps the world.

      Why?

      Because the fully stocked and transparently available spiritual and intellectual content of the publick domain is NOT essential merely because it is a political or moral social right, but rather because it is the one indispensible TOOL that free citizens of any democracy must have in order to manage the moral and political obligations that underlie democratic rights. The essence of the original (precorporate) copyright laws was the urgent priority of reverting all intellectual property in the briefest time possible to the publick domain, precisely because the democratic foundihg fathers understood that no true democratic process would survive extended alienation of intellectual property to a priviledged minority.

      What corporate copyright holder are attempting in American and European legislatures today is nothing less than to assign the publick domain in perpetuity to their corporate tresuries. Western democracy will follow. This is a heneious act which will have even more heneious consequences. Because for the moment we are yet democracies, the perpetrators of this heneious act can be stopped only at the ballot box. Unfortunately, if they continue to succeed, they might yet render the ballot box irrelevant.

      • Benjamin Stroud

        The mark of an effective speaker or writer is an ability to express complex ideas with relatively simple words. You seem to have gotten this backwards.

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          Out of concern that you might be right, I reread all my postings on this site.
          Only then was I reminded of a quote from Einstein, or Churchill, or William Buckley, or Mark Twain (I forgot precisely who), he said, “I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.”

          What I saw in my posts is that I consistently address complex ideas in precise and respectful language. In the reply above, I made a serious effort to offer you some complex ideas in the hope that they would be received as a responsibly articulated perspective on the critical threat that corporate copyright holders pose for American and European democratic process. You ignored them all in favor of a trivializing distraction.

          I once watched the supreme existential effort of an exceedingly small caribean ant carrying a long wriggling worm six feet straigt up a hot adobe wall in the noonday sun over several hours.

          I had nothing but respect for that little guy because he had to make himself the 100% owner of that monster worm long before he could begin to lift it one inch up that wall, much less six feet. A complex idea is very much like that heavy wriggly worm; in that, in order to express it in anything aproximating its most coherent language, you must first make yourself 100% its natural owner.

          The singular vulnerability faced by corporate copyright holders today is the threat that their efforts will become more broadly understood for exactly what they are; and, that their political and economic legitimacy will thereby evaporate like camphor in democratic legislatures and voting booths.

          You could be the answer to their plight, if you could carry the burden of a higher standard of responsible discourse.

          Perhaps you are frustrated with your results. I can’t honestly say that there is much to understand or admire in what your posts achieve.

          But don’t blame yourself.

          The problem is not that you are not THAT ant; but, that
          neither you nor the corporate backers of perpetual copyright can ever be the rightful owners of this particularly wriggly and complex worm.

        • Zig

          No it isn’t.

          Simple enough for you?

        • Ahnon

          The mark of an effective brain or intellect is an ability to comprehend complex ideas instead of relatively simple words which serve only to distil ideas. You seem to have gotten this right.

  • Benjamin Stroud

    I was big into this at the beginning, like 10 years ago, but I have to admit, when I used these sites, I quit buying CDs. Anyone who’s honest will admit as much. I know kids with fucking external hard drives by the dozens. It’s greed. It’s an addiction. It’s like digital hoarding. Years and years worth of music they haven’t even listened to as they run out to buy another few TBs to fill up. What the hell? Now, I’m glad they quit harassing and punishing people with million dollar fines, but just closing these sites? I can’t say I see a problem with that. Go ahead and call me a troll. Like I care.

  • Phil Landry

    It’ll only push pirates one layer underground… What a waste of time!

    • Benjamin Stroud

      Maybe you don’t understand the purpose of laws.
      Putting a lock on my door and an alarm on my windows will only make a burglar have to work that much harder to get in. So…….waste of time?

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Yes, when that layer is added to the 200 other locks and alarms that you have on your door…. How’s it going, Anon? Had to get a new name?

        • Benjamin Stroud

          Um, that doesn’t even make sense. Anyways, I’m sure this Anon fellow will get a few chuckles from reading your post. Hello, ‘Anon’! Look at these people! Defending the indefensible makes them very um, ‘defensive’ I guess. All I said was I don’t see the problem with closing sites that specialize in file sharing. I’m not a lawyer or copyright expert. Just my opinion. Too Dee Doo, Boom Bang a Lang! Life goes on…

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Benjamin Stroud

          “Are you saying that it’s HARD to get ‘pirated’ materials? Cuz… that’s just silly.”

          I think he’s correctly pointing out that the first lock did nothing, the next ten did nothing, the hundred after that did nothing…

          Einstein’s definition of a madman is a person who does the same thing twice, expecting different results. This tells us all we need to know about the people in charge at the MPAA and RIAA….and unfortunately a great deal about the body politic listening to them.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Benjamin Stroud

          “Are you saying that it’s HARD to get ‘pirated’ materials? Cuz… that’s just silly.”

          I think he’s correctly pointing out that the first lock did nothing, the next ten did nothing, the hundred after that did nothing…

          Einstein’s definition of a madman is a person who does the same thing twice, expecting different results. This tells us all we need to know about the people in charge at the MPAA and RIAA….and unfortunately a great deal about the body politic listening to them.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        When you insist on living in a house which consists of four pillars and a roof, yes.

        There’s no point in guarding the one venue where you can say with great accuracy will never be graced by a burglar’s presence.

        The similarity being, in this case, that the extra “lock” will inconvenience both you yourself and your neighbors a great deal while doing absolutely nothing to deter the would-be thief.

        If you want to protect information from being copies there is only one way to even deter it – by not distributing it in the first place. We’ve learned this fact enough times by now.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        When you insist on living in a house which consists of four pillars and a roof, yes.

        There’s no point in guarding the one venue where you can say with great accuracy will never be graced by a burglar’s presence.

        The similarity being, in this case, that the extra “lock” will inconvenience both you yourself and your neighbors a great deal while doing absolutely nothing to deter the would-be thief.

        If you want to protect information from being copies there is only one way to even deter it – by not distributing it in the first place. We’ve learned this fact enough times by now.

  • Kr0nZ

    I AM ABLE TO POST LINKS TO FILES IN THE COMMENT SECTION OF TORRENTFREAK… AND IT HAS THE WORD TORRENT IN THE NAME….

    THIS SITE NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN…

    • Benjamin Stroud

      If TorrentFreak allowed it, and that was the main purpose …I guess people may pressure Torrent Freak to either stop the law breaking (or whatever) or punish Torrent Freak / close it down. Really, seems to me you guys are missing the main meat and bones of the argument…. which is whether or not it should be illegal to begin with. That’s the only ground you got. Hmmm, Or maybe not, what do I know? hahah.

      • ndmushroom

        I think you’re missing the main point, not us. You say the main point is “whether or not it should be illegal”. I thought being “legal” or “illegal” was up to the court to decide, after a fair and due process. Does the signature of an Attorney General to a recommendation by the copyright industry sound like a fair and due process to you? It doesn’t look like that to me (and google, and mozilla, and ISPs, and a whole lot of other people)

      • ndmushroom

        I think you’re missing the main point, not us. You say the main point is “whether or not it should be illegal”. I thought being “legal” or “illegal” was up to the court to decide, after a fair and due process. Does the signature of an Attorney General to a recommendation by the copyright industry sound like a fair and due process to you? It doesn’t look like that to me (and google, and mozilla, and ISPs, and a whole lot of other people)

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        That’s not the core of the problem – being able to take a site down by pointing a finger without either trial nor jury is more or less many flavors of textbook totaliarism.

        But it doesn’t stop there. since the same fingerpointing will also stop VISA, PayPal, Mastercard and assorted other payment services from cooperating with the site in question what you actually have is a situation where a competitor to any business can point a finger and kill the other company in a hurry.

        One guess as to how likely this is to be abused.

  • FinalApokylypse

    “If TorrentFreak allowed it, and that was the main purpose …”

    The thing is.. SOPA allows for any site that links to even 1 copyrighted file to be taken offline. A site dedicated to file-sharing would likely be much higher on the target list but it is not a requirement for it to provide mainly for file-sharers.

    “Really, seems to me you guys are missing the main meat and bones of the argument…. which is whether or not it should be illegal to begin with. (?)”

    This is a common question TorrentFreak followers have been exposed to over and over again but doesn’t really relate to SOPA in itself as the law (atleast in the US) considers file-sharing copyrighted content illegal.. People’s views on the issue range from completely legalizing/encouraging it to making it a jailable/heavy fine offense. But this isn’t really all that important I think in terms of this article as this fact won’t change in the near future.

    What I think is more important is that the US entertainment industry is effectively saying its more important than other industries (and ones that are growing much faster and therefore can bring make more money for the country..) It potentially will kill businesses, create job losses, decrease livelihoods and for what? A possible rise in sales of music/movies? I personally think they would actually decrease their profits.. but I don’t think you can know until/if SOPA passes.. I do know however that whether I have access to movies/music online for free or not I will not change my spending habits as a matter of principal.

  • foff

    First this law is way over the top. No private organization should have such broad censorship power. There are some serious constitutional issues. This is also a foreign relations nightmare. Where are the voices for our side? Why is the copyright issue so one sided? Prohibition was a failure when will our lawmakers see that may be the current copyright law is a failure and needs to be changed to reflect reality. One of the main reasons for copyright was distribution time. Now that it is zero with the internet. I say reduce copyright to about 3 years. Look at the stats on movies, music, books, training, software, Most stuff 3 years and older does not see a lot of action.

    That aside we kind of brought this on ourselves. When file sharing was restricted to forums and hacked ftp’s we were kind of under the radar. There was a lot of negatives and a lot of scam sites but at that time the Riaa was hardly aware of file sharing and could do little.

    These large public torrent sites have really flaunted it in thier face. This law is pretty draconian and government has no right to regulate the web or delegate it to anyone. The last time I checked it was the world wide web not the Us web.

    It is doubtful the law will pass. It may not be long and there won’t be a federal government to enforce it anyway. However on the bright side if all the big public sites were harder to get to it will force us to go further underground. I don’t think file sharing will stop but will adapt. I foresee encryption, vpn’s by the boatload, hidden search engines, midnight sites that pop up and disappear at random. The point is if the massive public sites are gone and file sharing is driven underground the Riaa will have a much harder fight because there won’t be any obvious targets and not have any way to justify any other future laws because they will have no way to track or estimate file sharing. So go for it stupid ass fuck Riaa, bring it on, you might not like what you get.

  • foff

    First this law is way over the top. No private organization should have such broad censorship power. There are some serious constitutional issues. This is also a foreign relations nightmare. Where are the voices for our side? Why is the copyright issue so one sided? Prohibition was a failure when will our lawmakers see that may be the current copyright law is a failure and needs to be changed to reflect reality. One of the main reasons for copyright was distribution time. Now that it is zero with the internet. I say reduce copyright to about 3 years. Look at the stats on movies, music, books, training, software, Most stuff 3 years and older does not see a lot of action.

    That aside we kind of brought this on ourselves. When file sharing was restricted to forums and hacked ftp’s we were kind of under the radar. There was a lot of negatives and a lot of scam sites but at that time the Riaa was hardly aware of file sharing and could do little.

    These large public torrent sites have really flaunted it in thier face. This law is pretty draconian and government has no right to regulate the web or delegate it to anyone. The last time I checked it was the world wide web not the Us web.

    It is doubtful the law will pass. It may not be long and there won’t be a federal government to enforce it anyway. However on the bright side if all the big public sites were harder to get to it will force us to go further underground. I don’t think file sharing will stop but will adapt. I foresee encryption, vpn’s by the boatload, hidden search engines, midnight sites that pop up and disappear at random. The point is if the massive public sites are gone and file sharing is driven underground the Riaa will have a much harder fight because there won’t be any obvious targets and not have any way to justify any other future laws because they will have no way to track or estimate file sharing. So go for it stupid ass fuck Riaa, bring it on, you might not like what you get.

  • Alki

    Quotes of the day

    Dough E Fresh

    We only follow the law. If we infringe on the copyright of a CBS property when we sample, we have to pay. Its only fair that CBS should pay for profiting from knowingly promoting software that
    illegally distributes our music.

    DJ Chipman

    Peanutbutter Jelly

    “I have had my career totally destroyed. My two hit songs were distributed illegally on the internet through file-sharing and I never got one dime and I can account for over 50 Million views and downloads on the Internet. As a DJ I I’m struggling to pay my bills.

    • I am Spock

      WOW……..DJ Chipman (however the hell he is) had TWO WHOLE HITS!!!
      and cant pay his bills……geez thats sad!! //sarcasm//

      • Gae

        Maybe he should not have tried to use a failed/failing method to make money from his music.
        He could have released it for free and had it supported by advertisements. I am quite sure 50 million views is worth something to an advertiser somewhere.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

        Alki is Alki David; check his profile, and see the recent TF post (click) about how he’s trying to rally as many copyright owners as possible to join as plantiffs in his refiled lawsuit against CBS Interactive, due to CNet having long made available P2P/file-sharing software.

        Doug E Fresh is one of the plaintiffs in the suit. So is DJ Chipman (real name Elijah Brown), a Florida DJ who seems to maybe not really be a copyright owner, but rather just someone who got a co-writing credit on the infamous “Peanut Butter Jelly Time” viral video with the dancing banana back in 2002 because the Buckwheat Boyz (who disbanded in 2001) used his voice in the song…or something like that. Apparently he believes his career was “destroyed” because he didn’t get paid every time someone watched that video, nevermind the fact that the video would never have made the rounds if it had been kept behind a paywall.

    • I am Spock

      WOW……..DJ Chipman (however the hell he is) had TWO WHOLE HITS!!!
      and cant pay his bills……geez thats sad!! //sarcasm//

  • PRIVACY is priceless to me

    U.S.A, the country of thieves and mass murderers, the only country without a actual name, the country that has never ever been a democracy (government by the people for the people, not the government by the rich for the rich like the US).
    Property is theft, intellectual property is genocide.

    Btw, you can also find links to “pirated” material on Facebook, like link to live tv feeds for sport.
    The reality is that the majority of Internet users are “pirates”, people just don’t give a shit about the copyright mafia, we know we’ve been screwed to death for more than a century, and rather than disappearing like the dinosaurs they are, they prefer making the worst tyranny of all history and they always cry that people are actually hating what they’re doing!

    Anarchy now!

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      “The reality is that the majority of Internet users are “pirates”,…”

      In the western world we are rapidly moving toward a standard where every citizen can be divided in one of two categories. The criminals behind bars and the criminals outside.

      I know of only a few other nations through history where that was the norm. Sovjet and the DDR.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    The RIAA’s letter reads similar to this -
    “Dear Fuehrer,

    We strongly object to the following groups and types of people undermining our business and the very foundation of the Nation as a whole. They are unrelated yet taken as a whole they collectively corrupt our wondrous vision of a decent future for all.

    The Groups we want you remove from our fine, hard-working society are -

    Jews
    Filesharers
    Homosexuals
    Software Developers
    Muslims
    Internet Site Owners (but some are OK if approved by the State)
    Dissenters
    Hackers, and
    all others we deem unhelpful or unprofitable to our business model of ever-increasing profit in our fevered and frenzied pursuit of economic and political power.

    Thank you in advance of your kind cooperation my beloved Fuehrer.
    Arbeit Macht Frei

    RIAA/MPAA/MAFIAA”

    Not exactly a TRUE quote but I reckon that’s pretty close to their intentions and that of their paid-for, puppet politicians – don’t you?

    • Zig

      You Godwin!

  • Seederman

    How did rutracker.org manage to escape the ‘hit list’?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

      It’s on the MPAA’s list.

  • JaredLeeLoughner

    Post the full list you pussies TF.
    Any surprise the NSA were there, trying to protect freedom and privacy?
    What a crock of shit and lies….

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  • Anias

    what about torrentleech?

  • h33t

    h33t is spelled h33t not H33T

    even when i make the list they mispell my name :-/

  • h33t

    h33t is spelled h33t not H33T

    even when i make the list they mispell my name :-/

  • LMAO

    Won’t US govt. pass bill against iPhones & PCs!!! They show movies & sound music, sometimes pirated!!!

    Hope that day comes soon :-)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PFCI5VRUCYT6AVBT3P6ILV3COI Ophelia Millais

      It certainly would free up a lot of my time.

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  • Amenity

    “P2P file-sharing remains a huge problem for the record industry. BitTorrent, a P2P filesharing protocol, is responsible for approximately 50% of the industry’s global P2P piracy problem and in some international markets the figure is as high as 90%. BitTorrent sites and services, across the board, are high priority pirate markets,” the RIAA writes.

    I wonder that most of those international markets are where alot of the music they pirate are unobtainable to buy or download from where they live(international shipping costs, language barriers, censorship, currency and shipping where can not be converted to or shipped, or maybe the music never reaches where they live to be available to buy) or maybe they looking for new or different music artists and/or labels, genres, styles. What if they just want to get the music fast or just want try* then buy*.

    Also how do they know what labels or artists get destroyed or created through the power of sharing; music I had listened had been shared all of across the internet, I have some creative commons music where I wouldn’t never have found any of some of those artists unless I found a torrent or compilation which contained their music. I am now starting to listen to old small independent artists who I now might buy their music. Sharing doesn’t just define torrents or downloads it defines the very structure of information through the internet, where information is everywhere. Some of the data they obtain I wonder how much of a margin of error would be if they were to understand that bandwidth or torrent or filesharing downloads do “not” reflect sales or losses from artist not selling well. Just because some mainstream trash doesn’t make more a million dollars doesn’t mean they should make a claim that their music is being ruined by piracy that claim is so bullshitted I don’t even know what to say, music isn’t mean’t to be successful by popularity, favoritism or by monetary gains it’s by their fans who commit to liking it and want to buy their music and support them.

    Also does the RIAA even realize that their obession to combat piracy of music is ruined by some of their main adjectives: money and sales and to end the majority of piracy. Monetary gains and the amount of sales or popularity DO NOT reflect how much an artist is successful. Even though music artists work hard to make a living and it’s their job I understand that a bare minimum is to make enough to what effort they put in but the most of the people who represent the field of major music labels or big name artists make well enough past even rich standards for even just a doctor or lawyer. Doctors and lawyers are one of highest positions in careers and it takes many degrees/certificates and college education and knowledge and expertise to incur such a level to work they deserve that money. Artists who bitch about not making more then the millions or hundreds of thousands they already make should just stop being so frickin greedy with their fans to buy more and pay up. I am so sick of the mainstream garbage of music I feel like its a virus for new, independent and underated upcoming artists to gain “ground up” out of their monopolizing genre or style. If you ever wonder where all the underground or independent music artists are behind all the mainstream radio broadcasts, media outlets, dominant labels or artists, search engines, music retailers, and mainstream music websites well look at the attention these artists already get. Has anyone realized that most of mainstream artists/labels are always the ones attacking filesharing and piracy so they can get more people to buy it from them when in fact they never seem to care about other smaller artists or labels who might actually lose enough to struggle by piracy, mainstream artists make well enough money.

    RIAA no matter what you can do you can never end the ability to copy one song or album and send it to another when in computer data or the internet, copying is one of the most easiest functions to process or make happen. The measures they take on taking on piracy is unlawful and unjustful: 4th amendment/technology crimes or privacy or internet imperialistic order among other countries or other areas in the internet. Copyright has no rule over heresay in the abroad open and global vast internet. Certain countries or people have control over what they rule is lawful and unlawful. I feel sorry for all the people who get knocked down by ICE, FBI, and secret agencies and get picked on and get a mass or overwhelming lawsuits from either fines to 10,000s to 1,000,000s or imprisonment for many years to decades in jailcells. The losses from these music artists that these people caused exceeds well below what they are charged and punished for their crimes. Right now crimes like copyright infringement are doing less damage then what their being punished for and we all know that if you were at least 1 year in that persons shoes who got arrested and caught you would begin to realize the reality of this all. May all those who were punished or caught I wish them the better life they thought they would have had if they weren’t in for such outstanding punishment(s). There would have been ways to punish these people that would have been feasible and they would be able to pay back the fines easier or make their time being served for crime easier like community service and etc.

  • Fookmeup

    Mhuahahahaha ROFL

    try to shut http://www.deviloid.net ! ;)

    • Bdpdestp

      Quit your spamming on every topic I read you asshat.

  • Fookmeup

    Mhuahahahaha ROFL

    try to shut http://www.deviloid.net ! ;)

  • LOLZ-RIAA

    I hope this news and info gets spread far and beyond. It’s hard to believe so many people still wander around in wilderness of what’s going on, on the Internet. FML.

  • Gae

    I actually hope it goes through so that once this small list of torrent sites are shut down, they begin to move on to other areas that are less clear cut. Without doubt this will start reaching further until we get to the point where big sites are taken offline for the smallest of incidents.

    Only then will people really start to see the problem, that the US has way too much control of the internet. The benefit of this is that it would force a lot of people (maybe even whole countries) to move towards a less centralised system, most likely whereby nobody even touches a US controlled domain any longer.
    The end result is that the US will lose the level of control that it has now and, at least for the rest if the world SOPA will mean nothing.

    • Guest

      Only then it will be too late to do anything about it.
      The Net would be broke and America would still be holding all the pieces.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1675073408 Timothy Callil

    would australia also block these sites that US does? :(

    • foff

      Yes because everytime the US asks them to roll over and give it a bj they happily comply

  • http://profiles.google.com/chaz.broam Charles Broam

    Couldn’t SOPA &/or PROTECT IP also shutdown TorrentFreak?!

  • http://profiles.google.com/chaz.broam Charles Broam

    Couldn’t SOPA &/or PROTECT IP also shutdown TorrentFreak?!

  • Anon

    Must be horrid to be an American with capatilosm in free fall and corporations taking over your country…sucks to be you!

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  • Kikree01

    Lol

  • devil in a pink shirt

    americans have no freedom. whatsoever. i pity them

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  • Noone

    they cant block an IP

  • Benjamin Stroud

    Funny how everyone here shits on Americans when a story like this comes up. Yet, the headlines are littered with blacklists and whatnot happening all over the world, in the UK in Sweden, etc, and no one says shit. Stereotyping really shows your ignorance. America has plenty of problems, but so does your on country.

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  • Jokbo

    This is happening in all the industries these days, and we can’t let this happen to the internet! I’m really pissed off right now, if i had the proper knowledge to help me bring down their system i wouldn’t wait a second. SHARING ISN’T BAD.

  • Maggie DiMa

    @Christopher Kidwell Try it yourself.. my neighbor’s mother-in-law makes $86 every hour on the internet. She has been out of work for 5 months but last month her check was $7248 just working on the internet for a few hours. Go to this site http://togl.me/7bE

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t the .eu TLD hosted in Europe?

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t the .eu TLD hosted in Europe?

  • Divine_ascension

    Sadly what most people around the world don’t understand about america is we the people are taxed and billed so highly for everything here that the average american is just as poor as any other countries people. We may make more, but we pay more for everything too. The only people from america the rest of the world has ever met is either soldiers or wealthy people most of us can’t go to another country for a vacation or college. What MPAA and RIAA should really think about is if they charged 1-5 $ for each album/movie they would get so many more sales and put it online stop wasting money on legal fees and they would be good. I could be almost every stupid movie that came out for 1$ because it wouldn’t be the 20$ it is now I can’t afford to buy a crappy movie but maybe once a month if that. If all these amateur sites can put up content for hardly no cost or free then entertainment costs are artificially inflated when it is so much for each movie or song to watch on itunes or wherever you buy stuff from.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H2HXTP3ECCXTIW3HN3T7OLVHNY Hank

    http://youtu.be/SnLB8wysMbY Fuck the MPAA. Fuck the RIAA. Fuck the suits behind the BSA. And fuck em all from the DMCA.

  • Goosmoo

    It cracks me up that the RIAA *still* thinks it can fight piracy. lol

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  • Speyeder6

    I find it a little ironic that no-one stands up for the artists…..the ones who create the music u all so badly want to thieve….. I agree with the general statement of fuck the RIAA, but how do u propose we make sure the artists get paid for their hard work? Stealing does not equate with freedom.

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