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Russian Minister: YouTube and Google Should Be Shut Down For Copyright Infringement

A recently leaked confidential diplomatic cable has revealed that not only is the United States government unhappy with the level of intellectual property rights enforcement carried out by Russia, but also that the reverse is true. Russia’s Deputy Minister of Economic Development said that not only do U.S. sites continue to offer pirated Russian movies, but that YouTube and Google should be shut down for not respecting local laws.

When it comes to the protection of intellectual property, it’s well known that the United States is almost continually unhappy with just about every other country’s regimes. A huge amount of lobbying is carried out on a continual basis by government and the private sector in the hope that one day everyone will adopt US-like approaches to rights enforcement.

One of the countries that presents particular challenges to the United States is old enemy Russia. Of course, relations have warmed somewhat in recent years and the world is a safer place as a result, but seeing eye to eye on infringement issues will take a while yet.

The United States feels that Russia needs to show more respect for U.S. intellectual property rights and has been openly critical, for example, of the state of the pirate movie and music scene there. However, perhaps what is less known is that Russia isn’t happy with U.S. efforts to protect its home grown products either.

According to a confidential diplomatic cable dated 13th November 2009, U.S. Russian embassy officials met with Ministry of Economic Development Deputy Minister Stanislav Voskresenskiy to discuss the upcoming United States/Russia IPR Working Group meeting, scheduled to take place in Washington, DC just a few days later.

Voskresenskiy told the meeting that Russia’s record on IPR enforcement had been on an upward trend in the previous 12 months. However, the cable notes that while Voskresenskiy said that pirated goods are now more difficult to buy, he admitted that since Russia’s record is so poor, “a positive trend was not difficult to accomplish.” Actual achievements, he added, would be presented at the Washington meeting.

What follows is an interesting take by Voskresenskiy on the current state of world IPR enforcement and a clear indication that the Russians do not believe that the problems lie exclusively with them.

“Voskresenskiy went on to state that, in his opinion, no country in the world is prepared to fight Internet piracy. He argued that all existing laws, including laws in the U.S., are antiquated and do not address new technological trends,” the cable reads.

“As an example, [Voskresenskiy] stated that YouTube and Google (as YouTube’s owner) should be shut down because they do not conform to current Russian IPR laws. He admitted that this was not feasible, but continued to emphasize that these entities need to follow local laws, even if the laws are outdated,” the cable adds.

But just as Hollywood and the music industry criticizes Russian piracy of U.S. products (the AllofMP3 controversy as just one small example), Russia’s Deputy Minister of Economic Development says that the United States needs to sharpen up too.

“Voskresenskiy also raised two issues [embassy officials] have heard from other sources: a) that Russian made movies are being pirated and sold in the U.S., cutting into Russian box-office sales, and b) that there are U.S.-based Internet sites selling pirated Russian movies for download,” notes the cable.

“Voskresenskiy stated that Russian delegation members to the Working Group are eager to discuss these issues with their U.S. counterparts.”

This and other cables reveal that the Russians believe U.S. / Russia discussions on intellectual property rights are “unbalanced”. However, the fact that the Russians are prepared to discuss the negative effects of piracy on their domestic rights holders is seen as a positive by embassy staff and actually present a great opportunity “to begin engaging the Russians on cooperative efforts to improve IPR protection.”

Rest assured though, the quid pro quo won’t include shutting down YouTube or Google. Hopefully the Russians won’t get any ideas about blocking “rogue sites” that don’t respect their local laws….

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  • Bobthenob

    Shut down one of the biggest corporations around, mmkay, lemme know how that works out for ya.

  • Uuur55

    lol interesting , shut down the inet

  • Don Weber

    You’re a slave.
    They make laws, you obey.
    Got a problem with it?
    Do something.

    • Harquebus

      Yeah, like completely ignore them.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      I’m not a slave because I don’t obey them (like the majority that read TF) ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    Russian minister is so russian

  • MAFIAAFire

    > Hopefully the Russians won’t get any ideas about blocking “rogue sites”

    In soviet Russia – rogue sites block you!

    • Anonymous

      yes and as before with the berlin wall and communism when push comes to shove, even the Russian people won’t tolerate oppression forever…

      • Anonymous

        Russian Revolution v2… about time…

        • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

          lol, but it’s no longer the Russians who are being oppressed – it’s the Americans and their crazy clinging to capitalism where so many people live homeless, HUGE numbers in government workcamps erroneously called prison, and a low-wage ethos where so-called employees rely on charity from customers simply to reach a ‘living wage’ (it’s called the “tips culture”).

          So if anyone needs a Revolution v2 it’s America.

    • Anonymous

      In Soviet Russia, MAFIAAFire downloads you!

    • Ven

      DAMNIT – Somebody beat me to the Yakov joke.

  • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

    lmao, I might not agree with everything Google and youtube do but there is no way in hell either would be shut down!!! That would be would war 3 4 5!!! Seriously the battle of trying to shut sites down is literally useless. I hope Eric Schmidt is laughing his ass off on this one.

  • CCIFan

    You have to wonder if YouTube and Google are cutting into the Minister’s own kickback and bribe monies somehow

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      well they obviously have links to proof of them breaking laws so….

  • ndmushroom

    I wouldn’t worry too much about it. To me it seems more like an attempt at some (badly needed) diplomatic leverage than anything else. Besides, Russian president Medvedev has been quite clear on the matter in subsequent interviews and speeches (I think TF has covered it, if I find the link I’ll post it)

    • ndmushroom
    • Guest

      The Russians are clearly just telling the USA “Lay off our backs because if you want us to do what you’re asking, you would need to clean your own backyard first.”

      It doesn’t sound to me like the Russians are actually upset about Youtube hosting Russian movies illegally. There are hints of that everywhere.
      “He argued that all existing laws, including laws in the U.S., are antiquated and do not address new technological trends” this to me really sounds like “Let’s give up on this fight against downloading, because no law can solve that problem. We’re going at it wrong by trying to ban piracy”.

      The part about “…but continued to emphasize that these entities need to follow local laws, even if the laws are outdated” is American interpretation of what was truly being said. The Russians were making a point about what would need to happen should we follow the US logic, I don’t think they were really suggesting Youtube and others had to be punished or otherwise forced to comply with laws. It was really “When we use your American companies as an example, do you finally see how silly the things you want are?”

  • Hmm

    off topic whats going on with the demonoid.me redirect any news

    • Anonymous

      same here

    • DocGerbil100

      The main site’s down, but the forum’s still up – the site admins there say they’ve had a big crash and are working on fixing the problem. Leave it alone for a few hours then try again, it’ll come back eventually. :)

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    In Soviet Russia copyright infringes YOU.

    Ahem, refreshing to see others putting into the US arse for a change. The US will dismiss it, obviously, as it would hurt US jobs (ie: put the Russian bootleggers out of job) so it is ok to sell Russian movies in the US.

    However it is disturbing to hear such statements from the Russian authority. Current laws are not enough? Maybe (and I don’t believe they are) but what would the Russian suggest? Another version of Protect IP?

    On another news (and somewhat off-topic), I’ve sent msgs to the US senators concerning the said law proposed and I actually got answers o.o

    It seems Mrs Cantwell is aware of the possible collateral damage but Mr Reichert isn’t. I think I’m going to respond him pointing the flaws on his arguments. Still, his position is pretty worrisome.

    They follow (with my name removed obviously):

    Dear Mr. X,

    Thank you for contacting me about the internet streaming of copyrighted material. I appreciate hearing from you on this issue, and sincerely regret the delayed response.

    On May 12, 2011, Senator Leahy (D-VT) introduced S. 968, the Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property (PROTECT IP) Act. Under current federal law, U.S. law enforcement officials and holders of copyrights, trademarks, and patents, have limited legal remedies available to combat internet websites that are registered in foreign countries but operate in the United States by selling products, services, and/or content that violates U.S. intellectual property law. If enacted, the proposed legislation would create an expedited process for the Department of Justice and intellectual property rights holders to shut down through a court order these websites by targeting, the owners and operators of the Internet site, if known, or the domain name registrant associated with the Internet site.

    The proposed legislation would require the Department of Justice to demonstrate to the Court that the Internet site accessed by the domain name is “dedicated to infringing activities.” Such a website would have no other significant use other than engaging in, enabling, or facilitating infringing activities. Once a court order is issued, domestic operators of domain name servers would be required to effectively prevent online users from accessing the infringing Internet site. Providers of online information location tools would be required to take technically feasible and reasonable measures to remove or disable access to such an Internet site, including not providing a hypertext link. Finally, financial institutions involved in online transactions and Internet advertising companies would be prohibited from doing business with any Internet site subject to a Court order under the legislation. Intellectual property rights holders can take Internet payment and advertising companies to court if they believe these companies are not complying with the law. This legislation was reported out of the Judiciary Committee on July 22, 2011, and is awaiting action by the full Senate.

    While I am supportive of the goals of the bill, I am deeply concerned that the definitions and the means by which the legislation seeks to accomplish these goals will hurt innovation and threaten online speech. Please be assured that I will keep your thoughts in mind should I have the opportunity to vote on this or similar legislation regarding intellectual property rights.

    Thank you again for contacting me to share your thoughts on this matter. You may also be interested in signing up for periodic updates for Washington State residents. If you are interested in subscribing to this update, please visit my website at http://cantwell.senate.gov. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of further assistance.

    Sincerely,
    Maria Cantwell
    United States Senator

    For future correspondence with my office, please visit my website at
    http://cantwell.senate.gov/contact/index.html

    And the other:

    Dear Mr. X,

    Thank you for contacting me regarding Internet piracy of intellectual property. I appreciate hearing your views on this matter and welcome the opportunity to respond.

    U.S. law enforcement agencies may protect against violations of intellectual property rights when perpetrators are acting within the United States. However, the Internet provides a way for companies to expand their businesses across borders, and poses a challenge for the enforcement of intellectual property rights when violators are acting outside the U.S. Currently, U.S. authorities cannot reach foreign websites offering pirated or counterfeit goods to U.S. citizens. These goods, which can include counterfeit medications, could potentially put the health and safety of citizens at risk.

    As you may know, Senator Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT) introduced the PROTECT IP Act (S. 968) on May 12, 2011. This legislation would authorize the Attorney General or an intellectual property rights owner harmed by an Internet site dedicated to infringing activities to pursue a cause of action against either the registrant of an infringing domain name or an owner or operator of one. Moreover, the bill allows the Attorney General to pursue such actions against registrants, owners, or operators of foreign domain names as well. The bill has been placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar. Rest assured, should this legislation come before the House for a vote I will keep your thoughts in mind and give it thorough consideration.

    Promoting and protecting innovation is critical to U.S. businesses remaining competitive in the global economy. Many industries, from pharmaceutical companies to recording studios, depend on intellectual property protections. These industries contribute greatly to the U.S. GDP and serve as significant job-creators. Therefore, losses in revenue for these industries could have a negative impact on the U.S. economy as a whole. The protection of international property rights is directly linked to American companies’ ability to grow in foreign markets and create good jobs here in the U.S.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to get in touch with me. Your interest and input are valued and I hope to hear from you in the future regarding other matters of importance. I encourage you to visit my website and sign-up for my monthly e-newsletter at http://reichert.house.gov to learn more about other issues impacting the 8th Congressional District and our nation. You can also follow my work online and receive frequent updates on legislation being considered in Congress by visiting me on Twitter (www.twitter.com/davereichert) and Facebook (www.facebook.com/repdavereichert).

    Sincerely,

    David G. Reichert
    Member of Congress

    Please DO NOT REPLY to this e-mail because it was sent from an unattended mailbox. If you’d like to reply, please send a response via my website, http://reichert.house.gov. Thank you for your help in making sure I receive your important communications.

    • Plop

      David Reichert seems to be confused. He appears to believe that infringing copyright and selling counterfeit goods (fake meds for instance) are the same thing. Maybe you need to write back and point out the obvious differences so that he knows not to be so easily swayed into a decision by this cunning sleight of hand employed so widely by the entertainment industries. ;)

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Yes, that’s one of the main flaws in his arguments. I’ll address that.

      • Gufsfsest

        lol this is what congressmen think in congress, put everything into one dirty file and persue on cleaning up the mess by throw out some laws.

        but actually they dont know shit about it……lol and still have the balls to actually rewrote back with their dumb idea….so i wonder a 14 knowledgeable year old boy could ran this country much much more innocent way then these dumb idiot in washington!

    • DocGerbil100

      While we may not be satisfied with the answers, it’s good that you took the time to contact your representatives – thank you very much for that. :D

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Actually Doc, I’m not American nor I live in the US. But I thought I should add my contribution as it is a very important issue that affects the internet and the internet has no boundaries.

        It’s an issue that should be dealt with together. Pirate Parties spawning all over the world and freedom of speech being so heavily debated are signs that ppl care and will fight this battle. I’m contributing the way I can, we all should.

        • Chris

          If you are not from the US why did you pick the two senators (congressmen?) from Washington State? Just curious…
          and speaking from experience (Washingtonian here,) that’s just the response I’d expect from Reichert, he’s nothing but a BIG TOOL for the special interest groups.

        • DocGerbil100

          I had it in mind that you were the poster on here from Brazil, but then thought I must be mistaken when you wrote about contacting those politicians. Sorry about that! :P

          If I may ask: since they’re not your local representatives after all, I’m also curious as to why you wrote to these two in particular? I don’t recognise their names at all. Are they important?

  • pZ

    Tit4Tat. Just like the cold war days. :D

  • Elviz

    Neither needs to sharpen up or w/e. Leave it like it is. Youtube is such a great source for music.

    • Anonymous

      I like that line… Deputy Minister of Economic Development says that the United States needs to sharpen up too.

      If the US sharpens up IP law any more they will cut the United States in two!

  • Elviz

    Neither needs to sharpen up or w/e. Leave it like it is. Youtube is such a great source for music.

  • Die US

    its good that russians get involed in this crazy strategi by the US, they think they own the world.

    so this is the way US is going to save the economics in their fat country?

    Go russia, die US

  • Die US

    its good that russians get involed in this crazy strategi by the US, they think they own the world.

    so this is the way US is going to save the economics in their fat country?

    Go russia, die US

  • liverpool

    fukski offski except for the twelve chairs that is.

  • liverpool

    fukski offski except for the twelve chairs that is.

  • http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

    In Soviet Russia banks rob …. oh wait…

  • fjpoblam

    Them that wanna make the rules (US) oughta obey the rules, too, no? Walk the walk.

  • http://miffthefox.info/ Miff

    “Don’t worry- it’s okay if we, the Russians, implement a web filter because the United States is doing it.”

  • Anonymouse

    Wow I bet someone offered him a lot of money.

  • Anonymouse

    Wow I bet someone offered him a lot of money.

  • Anonymouse

    Wow I bet someone offered him a lot of money.

  • Blatantarrogance

    Anyone know what’s up with demonoid?

  • Harquebus

    Going after pirates is the last thing bankrupt governments will want to do. There’s no money in jailing citizens.

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  • Foff

    There is such a thing as a Russian movie? Really! In any case are all the countries in world US lapdogs when it comes to copyright? Why can’t a country somewhere in the world have more relaxed copyright laws? What if a country said we give a copyright 5 years from creation period and gives the bird to the US if it demands more?

    Technology has made copyright obsolete to an extent. Due to the amount of media that is being produced on a daily basis. Media loses it’s value like a rock. At one time Disney would rerelease movies to the theaters years after they were made. Doesn’t work now. When all you had was a typewriter writing a book was a lot of work. Now with a computer anyone can write one. There are music programs out there that can turn a music illiterate into a composer. When you have manufactured stars whose songs are popular for all of two months or may be two weeks that have no real talent you have ask yourself what is really the value of a copyright?

    Even if 10,000 books were written using J K Rowling’s Universe she would still have made a billion without copyright because she created the universe and people would still have bought her book or seen the movies to see where she ultimately took her characters.

    The point is technology with digital files and disks has made the shelf life of media very very short. Unless a movie is a specific genre I am exploring I almost never ever watch or even bother to download movies older then a year. All action and drama movies look so dated they are too hard to watch after a few years. Only cute disney stories or classics can stand the test of time and those would be purchased with or without a copyright by those who want them.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t pirate Russian movies. The Russian government hates competition.

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  • Gufsfsest

    lol this funny, copyright laws is like a old man getting his grove in the club, well let see how long he can last before he collapse and get himself a heart attack, while try compete with the modern teenager…

    the laws is not to meant to grounded people in one era forever, it time to change copyright laws. improve it…before it start get out of hand, and the old man die….

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  • Anonymous

    I don’t think this in much to worry about.

    It is clear to see that the US moaned at Russia about IP enforcement and Russia’s defense was to moan back at the US. Voskresenskiy quoting Google and YouTube was just picking two famous websites out of the air that were largely into IP conflict at the time. Had he done his homework he could have hit them more where it hurts.

    Like currently you can fairly ask if the DHS ICE are into seizing domain names then why have they never touched the biggest sites around? The Pirate Bay is the world’s largest infringement engine and eats through tons of infringing Russian media. Russia would say that the US willingly allows the TPB and others to infringe Russian media on US controlled domain names.

    In the balls…

    As long as Voskresenskiy and his replacements does not wise up we are fine. File sharing in Russia is still mostly out of control and they don’t care that much.

    • Louigi Verona

      I agree with this.

  • http://www.peoplesnote.org Don Reba

    Don’t forget Microsoft and Apple. Those should probably be shut down for infringing outdated Russian copyright laws, as well.

  • Vjbtywllcume

    It is hilarious how Russia is mad that US sites violate their copyright laws while theirs violate ours all the time. If they want the US to uphold theirs, they would have to uphold the US’s. I don’t see that happening because piracy is the only market Russia has left.

  • DTS

    ““Voskresenskiy went on to state that, in his opinion, no country in the world is prepared to fight Internet piracy. He argued that all existing laws, including laws in the U.S., are antiquated and do not address new technological trends,” the cable reads.

    “As an example, [Voskresenskiy] stated that YouTube and Google (as YouTube’s owner) should be shut down because they do not conform to current Russian IPR laws. He admitted that this was not feasible, but continued to emphasize that these entities need to follow local laws, even if the laws are outdated,” the cable adds.”

    So, he first states that the laws are outdated… but then states that he wants them to be still followed? That has to be one of the most blatant examples of shooting oneself in the foot.

    • IDIOCRACY

      No it is the beginning of nation wide censorship on the internet in Russia, presidential elections are comming up and Poetin is gonna run for president again, he is no other than the former autocrates like stalin, brezjnev and tjernjenko.
      By stating this now, the next step will be less surprising and therefore causing less rumour, the actual nationwide blocking of half of the internet. Told you it is all about control… here is the proof.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    > This and other cables reveal that the Russians believe U.S. / Russia discussions on intellectual property rights are “unbalanced”.

    Following on from SSRC Joe K’s recent article here in TF, I’d say you’re spot-on.
    the USa are acting like greedy bully-boys in the playground and getting their gangs of enforcers to act in other Countries too.

    Both the MAFIAA and their US political puppets need to recognise that their outdated business models and copywrong laws are simply no longer helpful to human development in the 21st century.

    Adapt or die guys.
    For sharing IS caring.

  • Zia_hus

    as i’m from Russia and our ISP’s when setup internet for us they give as access to C++ or a direct FTP server for downloading movies / TV and app so how they can accept to stop all people from sharing in Russia? every ISP in Moscow have their own FTP+server for their own users to share and Enjoy,
    long live net Freedom

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  • PRIVACY is priveless to me

    Property is theft, the russians are the proof of that, so why does that worse than nazi moron open his fucking corrupted mouth?

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  • POIDH

    “A recently leaked confidential …” bla bla bla.
    Post a link to this cable or it didn’t happen.

    • GNAAAAARRF

      FINALLY! I’ve found the cable this article is talking about.
      http://www.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09MOSCOW2787.html
      So I assume it DID actually happen.

      Was hard work to obtain this one, the web interface of WikiLeaks is just awful cruel, it is very hard to find a specific cable if you don’t know the link. WikiLeaks does not even have a text search.
      So. Why the hell did you not provide a link? It is so stupid not to provide a link.

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  • Propromet

    and its said by RUSSIAN minister ? is it joke.

  • Okarin

    probably google doesn’t have a big enough office in russia

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