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Six BitTorrent Admins Arrested, Interpol Chase Two More

Following raids against a large file-sharing site in December 2009, police in Greece are engaged in an ongoing operation to close down the country’s largest BitTorrent site and arrest its operators. Thus far there have been six arrests, with Interpol chasing two further admins believed to be located in The Netherlands.

gamatoAlthough it wasn’t yet evident, December 2009 appeared to mark the beginning of an effort to shut down the Greek file-sharing scene. The Society for the Protection of Audiovisual Works (EPOE) conducted an investigation and moved in conjunction with the police to carry out the first action of its type against a file-sharing site in the country.

The 285,000 member Greek-Fun.com carried around 14,000 links to music, domestic and international movies, software and computers games. Around 5,500 of these are believed to have linked to material in the EPOE repertoire. As is usual with these cases, EPOE were quick to point to the financing of the site as an indication of criminal behavior. Like many sites, Greek-Fun offered benefits to users who donated to keep the site running although the admins denied profiteering.

In the end at least one administrator of the site, believed to be in his early 30′s, was arrested and several people were questioned with investigators linking site email addresses to Facebook accounts for evidence. EPOE said the site caused it 1.8m euros in damages.

As the bad news about Greek-Fun spread, Greece’s largest private tracker – the huge 898,000 member Gamato.info – also unexpectedly went down, officially due to “technical problems”. Whatever the reason, as can be seen by the graph below, the result was a massive drop in Greek Internet traffic. Gamato remained down for several weeks, only opening again during the first few days of February 2010.

GreekTrafficDrop

Today, however, the site is down again, and the news is not good.

ELAS (Greek police) are engaged in an on-going operation to round up the administrators of the site. Already there are reports of 3 arrests in Athens (the capital and one of the world’s oldest cities) and 3 in Thessaloniki (Greece’s 2nd largest city). A soldier, a musician and a confectioner are among those arrested.

New information suggests that ELAS have alerted Interpol to arrest two further admins who are apparently reside outside the country. TorrentFreak has learned that they are located in The Netherlands and are being called “the brains” behind the site. The Gamato servers are also located there although it’s unclear at this stage if there is a connection.

“We host a lot of different sites and do not keep tabs on our clients as long as they comply with our Terms of Service, which includes confirming to the Dutch law,” Gamato’s host told TorrentFreak, adding: “As far as we and our legal counsel can see, this is the case with the site mentioned by you.”

It’s believed that police are looking for 11 individuals in total. Thus far, 27 hard drives, five laptops and more than 600 DVDs have been seized.

According to the police, file-sharing on Gamato was responsible for 80% of online piracy in Greece, with EPOE calculating its losses at the hands of the tracker at a staggering 1 billion euros.

Although Gamato was a private torrent site, it didn’t follow the usual format. It wasn’t “invite-only” – anyone could signup – and although sharing ratios were counted there were no punishments or rewards for the amounts shared. Furthermore, unlike Greek-Fun, Gamato did not accept donations from users.

The Society for the Protection of Audiovisual Works (EPOE) shot to fame in 2008 when virtually every site offering user-generated Greek subtitles (fansubs) for English language movies and TV shows became recipients of its legal threats. Within a very short time sites including greektvsubs.gr, subtitles.gr, greeksubs, subs4u.gr and apsubs.com had either closed down or removed all subtitles.

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  • banancanard

    Not the main point of the article but taking down Greek fan subtitles is just ridiculous.

  • Sander

    I hope the Dutch don’t get arrested :)

  • thedonofdeath

    if i am to assume correctly that the graph above is accurate that means that half of all there internet use is piracy related. Go Greece!

  • Ethics?

    Well they got one thing right – both of these sites were making a profit off copyrighted works which is almost exclusively what users uploaded and why people visited the sites in the first place.

    I always find it hilarious the amount of users that rave about “pay 2 leech” sites and how “commercial piracy is so bad and such a terrible thing” Hilarious becausae every large public tracker is raking large amounts of ad revenues off users visiting the sites to download copyrighted materials. In some cases such as The Pirate Bay for example their tax filings are a matter of public record and they make millions per year through ad revenue.

    I couldn’t care less about torrent site operators making a profit – that is what most of them are in the game for and keeps them running sites (they need a reason) – however it is extremely hypocritical how people make such a fuss about commercial pirates and pay 2 leech sites (even Usenet LMAO) and then insist that torrent sites are “piracy for free”.

    Yeah right… dreamers and their naive ideas LOL.

  • Hangman

    Yeah, what’s the point? Why taking down fan sub sites?

  • mayor

    since when is a site with almost 1 million users private

  • Legio

    4.Actually This Is True,Quite About Everyone With A DSL Connection Is A Pirate.

    898,000 Members
    16,000,000 Visits A Day

    Greece Has The Third Highest Piracy
    Rating In Europe.

    No One Will Pay 20 Euro CD’s Anymore…
    The Goverment Takes Too Much Money From The People.

    Oh,And The Good Goverment Of 300 Pieces Of Crap Have Made 400 Billion
    Disappear,And The Evil Pirates Prevent 1 Billion From Going In Some Pockets.

    lolz…

  • time traveling white rabbit

    they arrested a confectioner for fucks sake

  • PLASMARIFLE

    way to go…they arrested a confectioner

  • Aman

    Yea, I’m kinda confused about the illegality concerning creating subtitles files…

  • Legio

    About The Subtitles:At That Time Most Tv Stations Felt That Content That Would Be Served By Tem In The Future Was Being Distributed By Subtitle Sites,Regardless Of The Fact That That User Created Subs Are Not Copyrighted…
    And In Greece Money Rules More Than Everything,So You Know The Rest..

  • fr3ak

    @10 … and we can see you are good friends with your shift button :)

  • Anonymous

    Now that is an awesome bunch.

    “A soldier, a musician and a confectioner are among those arrested.”

  • fr3ak

    make that ^^ @9 and @6 fail :)

  • Cares

    There’s always money for fascism.

  • pirate for life

    This is Mafiaa fking its customers as usual by taking down places that people actually visit, and putting gravestones in their place. This is just a disgrace. Its kind of like taking away empire state buildings, only to put a note “f b i are a bunch of fags” as we took down this site. There are places called hell for these people

  • Anon-e-MoosE

    how can they say they are losing money to this? it is not like all that media was going to be bought “legally”. it’s only a theoretical loss.

    in that case, I should be a millionaire!! theoretically that is.

  • Fido
  • buccaneer

    Ok, I’m sure someone will point out if my math is faulty, but…

    They claim losses from the site amount to 1 billion Euro. So, without the site, the media industry should be making 1 billion more in profit, right? Well then, what happens when the profits will not be 1 billion higher, or will be even lower?
    To me, it’ll be perfect and direct proof that their “loses” are a number that has nothing to do with reality.

  • Whatever

    With about 11 million inhabitants (Wikipedia) this one private tracker had about 8% of the population as a member (counting one per family makes 32%). And as Greece is very much behind with internet use it probably means the whole Greek internet population (correct me if i’m wrong).

    The thing that is most amazing is that those admins are such dangerous criminals that even interpol is involved. It does fit the previous Greek incident of exaggeration where if you make photographs or watch planes you’re considered a terrorist.

  • Leonidas

    I am Greek and this is a sad day but fear not they will not win this war. When most subtitle sites closed 10 more opened the following days and today is as if nothing had happened. They same thing will be done here. Close one 10 more will open. Although I cant understand if the site was located in the Netherlands how is that affected by Greek law?

    By moonlight we ride, one million side by side.

    Hail and Kill ‘em all fuckin corrupted politicians. Fuckers.

  • Legio

    18.That Is True…As I Said Everyone With A DSL Connection Is A Pirate…

  • hmmm

    In a way it’s good. People have less and less money. If you remove them their leisure time, they’ll get back to politics sooner or later. And a real opposition to this mad, corporate parasites driven world will rise again.

  • duane

    #20 makes an excellent point, however cynical as it may be.

    With Greece’s economy going down the plughole, Greek people are very dissatisfied — rioting-in-the-streets sort of dissatisfied. They shouldn’t taunt them with something as puny and insignificant as “illegal” downloads, especially if most of the money from those downloads is going out of the country!!

    This is stupid.

  • ashaman

    Ok let’s set some things straight:
    Broadband in Greece is not something rare anymore, most houses in major/big cities have a good internet connection by now.
    Most people do indeed download stuff, and a whole lotta them, but not *everyone* does that.

    Also, major fault in the article:
    Greek-fun was a rapidshare site, NOT a private tracker. Set the facts straight.

    As for EPOE, they prove how MAFIAA-like they are more and more.
    Dark days coming up ahead boys…

  • Gargamel

    So it was the Greek version of Demonoid.

  • O

    subtitles omg :)

  • Dimagus

    By reading this post you are costing the music industry 3 billion euros.

    See we can make up numbers too.

  • Kostas

    What is hilarious and cynical actually, is this:

    When one goes out for coffee in Athens (probably rest of Greece too), there will always be _at least_ one Nigerian guy who will come to the table with a bunch of CDs and DVDs of the latest greek and international albums and movies. They usually go for 5 EUR/piece, but negotiation and volume will save you up to 2-3 EUR/pc.

    I kid you not, this has been going on for 9-10 years now, 4-5 years before 5% of the population had DSL…

    There is a ridiculously huge organization with houses for illegal Nigerians brought over by the local Nigerian expat mafia, large labs burning the disks all day long and tens of vans with irregularly shifting routes, distributing to every city corner. More than a dozen police operations have failed to stop them, though that is not saying much, given the organizational skills of greek police.

    Of course, the same service is available at the beach during summer (May through October) and CD/DVDs are not the only “ambulant” shopping opportunities or services.

    One can litterally spend an afternoon shopping, while sitting comfortably at a caffè terrace sipping lattes and arguing about the current economic and political issues.

  • Cordelia

    Interpol are chasing these guys?

    Could terrorists be involved? Maybe it’s time to invade a small-ish country in the name of “WAR AGAINST PIRACY”???

    I.e. as Dubya would have put it “You are either with us, or with the pirates”…

    Are Greece, Holland and Sweden on the Axis of Evil?

  • eL

    Closing down the greek subs sites, EPOE showed what hypocrites are
    These cunts only care about money

    Being a former translator of greekTvSubs
    and current of xsubs i can only prove that no matter what, the internet will not be controlled

  • Chacha

    One down 10 more coming up like the subs sites there are back more and better.
    The only think they do is to make people angry

  • Aussie

    That graph simply demonstrates AGAIN that there is something seriously wrong with the current business model of the entertainment industry.

    For half the internet activity for an entire country to be linked to piracy should be telling the industry that there is a MASSIVE market there waiting to be tapped.

    Instead, they use a steamroller to kill ants.

  • greek

    ? am from greece…
    This attack has outraged me!
    We need here a pirate party as we need it everywhere.
    Smash the copyright.

  • Trelew

    I say again, why hide the fact that our governments are nothing more than pawns to corporate interests.

  • Ninja

    HOLD YOUR HORSES. Closing fan made subtitle sites is simply outrageous. It’s a rock hard proof that copyright laws are ABUSIVE and a THREAT to CREATIVITY. It is also a STEEL proof that it’s all about money and their endless greed. I am disgusted.

    Now, as for the other sites, it is clear they are a threat to the world peace with their multi-billion business and thus they should be exterminated and their owners sentenced to death by hanging since they’ll break the balance of power with their huge flow of cash provided by their sites. Also, the poor Nigerian guys need to make their money so they can eat and live along with their bosses on the organized crime that are wonderful people that make this world a much better place to live. [/deep sarcasm] Oh wait…

    And again MAFIAA merry slaves/friends failed to provide us with grounds to their accusations. One billion euros is extremely overrated. People buy even when they download, if it’s readily available for sane prices. And they truly think that all content they release is all about masterpieces… They should get their feet back to the ground. Good content is a species on the edge of extinction.

    Let MAFIAA keep shooting their legs. They’ll eventually fall. You can fight a few individuals but not the whole world.

  • this.one

    well seems like the admins should have had a couple of fakelakis ready! :D :D or maybe they had, only EPOE and interpol had more ^^ :/

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  • Magic Numbers

    Once again the anti-piracy pro’s have funny numbers to prove them right…One of these days they will count more pirates than the total country population.

    About the subtitles…that is simply outrageous.

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  • duane

    I think I heard there’ll be strikes again next week. If you can find the EPOE offices, please smash a window for me or something. Anyway, kali tixi paidia.

    Kai nai, xreiazomaste kai emeis Pirate Party epigontos!!

  • air head

    pirating doesn’t pay.

  • Einstein

    I think it is clear now that this is WAR!!!!! There is no question about it.
    The MAFIAA will lose in the long run, there is no question about that either, but in the meantime there will be many casualties. And yes, many more people will be arrested and some will even go to prison (martyrs), but file-sharing will continue to grow exponentially! Faster speeds are coming in the near future (both up and down speeds) which will make file sharing all the more convenient.

  • Old Timer

    hmm, just a thought…if a IP group setup a site like this and provide the same service would they make a profit from adds….

    Just a thought.

    OT

  • Hop2

    IM LOST??? Who DID They Murder again ??

  • Im greek

    ROFL gamato means fuck/fucker in greek :)

  • ScrewThoseCorruptBastards

    When politicians, judges and police can be bought corporations will rule the land. I call that neofascism.

  • Anonymous

    actually, they murdered a whole bunch of people and things. Do you want a list? It is still being populated as we speak.

    Just one thing guys – I have no idea where they do get their “population numbers” and the “offences” but I remember what was tagged as “registered users” on the site’s homepage as opposed to “active users”, some of the torrents and their total snatches, (I enjoy playing with numbers like that) and these numbers, I swear, were roughly ten times less than what I hear on the news. So either the lawyer who conducted the lawsuits is a dyslexic and added an extra zero to everything, or they are trying to achieve something other than what we think…

    Plus, I do know due to my profession what these things cost more or less and what the small ads on the side payed for hosting, so I can tell that donations were not what payed for the running expenses. There was no direct profit nowhere… And the same thing applies to all similar places around the globe.

  • some name

    well whatever…. ftp irc and telnet for ever and after all others are gone they still up, screw the torrents they suck bawls anyway. as for subs… wtf is wrong with these people??

  • Flyer

    The Greeks should focus on their on going financial problems instead of running errands for the music- and movie industry – But what do I know – maybe this industry has promised the Greek gov to pump in a large sum of € to avoid bankruptcy?

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  • Torrenter

    F*ck you Flyer and don’t turn this conversation to a political one, you fool.

    If you want to say something practical, say it. Otherwise, shut the f*ck up with your idiotic comments.

  • TerribleTony

    Eurgh, please don’t go to InfoWars to read the article linked up there, the site will infect your mind with all kinds of crazy shit.

    Go to the source instead:
    http://gizmodo.com/5489311/teen-hauled-to-jail-for-overdue-library-dvd

  • mcpain

    get premium account here:

    http://razordox.darkbb.com/forum.htm

    invitation code to join: mcpain

    we share premium accounts everyday and scene releases as well

  • redbaron

    Interpol…Hmm, that’s some serious sh*t. Hope they don’t get ‘em. :D

  • hmmm

    @ Torrenter

    Sorry to say, but if you still haven’t understood that it’s a political matter, then you are the fool.

    This is only happening because actual politics worldwide listen more to lobbyists than to the people they are supposed to represent.

    Our “representatives” are asking us day after day to adapt. Fair enough, if they also asked this from companies, which they don’t. In fact, they obey them instead of establishing fair rules.
    For example, the laws against file-sharing -wrongly named counterfeiting, organized crime or piracy- would be acceptable if, at the same time, the price of dvds, cds and what else was lowered so that people would have an incentive to buy. Instead, prices keep increasing.
    It’s a political question, no matter how you turn the subject. And so far, the political choices are completely in phasis with the big companies’ will.

  • Whatever

    If what #29 Kostas is true (which is very possible as in Poland they have the “throw a blanket over it and there is no merchandise if the police arrives” trick) then they just helped to increase the profit of the other mafia (Nigerians) mentioned in his comment.

  • *D

    @whatever: There’s the blanket thing alright. If cops show up they pack everything in moments and leave. As soon as cops leave it’s back to business.
    And they even go and show you the “merchantise” as soon as you sit down for a coffee in a shop. Prices range to 2-5 euro

    But why get them, right?
    Let’s get those evil criminals who p2p instead and share for free, for no profit at all.

    In Greece it’s like this:
    The greater the crime, the easier it is to get away with it.
    Prime example: the people who STOLE millions and billions of euros, all people’s money and are the ones responsible for the crisis still walk free.

  • Eladir

    Time for the noob users in Greece to step up their game and join some serious trackers and not bullshit Gamato etc.

  • Zorba the Greek

    Don’t make me get my famous tzatziki sauce, crumbled feta cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, and juicy shawarma meat, or I’ll have to go Yeero your A$$

  • Anonymous

    interpol? yay these admins must be THA TERRORISTS!

  • NubCakes

    “With about 11 million inhabitants (Wikipedia) this one private tracker had about 8% of the population as a member (counting one per family makes 32%). And as Greece is very much behind with internet use it probably means the whole Greek internet population (correct me if i’m wrong).”

    Without any figures to back this up I think you are wrong: a large portion of the tracker users would be people outside Greece such as:

    -people outside Greece who for whatever reason are interested in som easpect of Greek culture. Some people find Greek celebs very, very sexy (a rather small group nonetheless though)

    -people who like having every private tracker they can get their hands on. (there’s a few of these to be sure)

    -Greek ex-pats – immigrants to other countries, students, Greeks away from Greece for extended periods: these users want to keep in touch with their own culture for whatever reasons as they are not inside Greece. (probably making up the larger portion of the users outside Greece. Many Greeks have chosen to leave their country for many reasons – study, jobs, better life and so on and so on)

    This would mirror the situation at two private trackers I’m at that specialise in Australian TV – many of the users are outside of Australia and use the sites to keep up with Aussie culture, not feel so homesick etc.

    But like I said, just my guess but I think it’s reasonable.

  • AnarchyNow

    They really want a revolution in Greece or what!
    Hey, greeks, start the revolution, throw down the church and the worse than nazi corrupted government!

  • Mean Mother F****r

    The terrorists in our country are the 300 fat fucks members of parliament that have vanished over 300 billion euros in to there pockets and want us to pay for it. The day they announced the new economical measurements to “save” the country from bankruptcy they came out with a porn video of a former miss Greece out in the stores. The result was 60.000 people complained about the new economical measurements and 150.000 went and bought the 20 euro dvd of julia alexandratou. Coincidence?? I think not. We are already organizing demonstrations for the people from GAMATO.INFO (http://prezatv.blogspot.com/2010/03/gamatoinfo_11.html) with the titles ” we demand them to arrest all the people (they have different scandals stated) that have stolen all the money from the people” Let the GAMATO.INFO people go. The members of the parliament in Greece have political immunity so not even one of those fat fucks that have stolen billions have been taken to trial.

  • Fae_tzaziki

    56
    Are you kidding me this tracker had some rare stuff you can’t find anywhere else…so shut the fuck smart ass

  • Torin050

    @ 8 & 9

    I think they took him/her in for questioning, apparently they heard that the cake was a lie.

  • funky

    gamato.info is was the best greek site with free ratio

  • 2funk

    Yeah right.Greek police with Greek goverment do it the best for capitalism.
    We are millions.
    Free Gamato means Free Greek net and FREE PPL.

  • webcrawler

    private torrent sites benefitted from file sharing. in the end its always the money.Servers cost? i know !donations far exceed it in popular sites.

    bittorent is not the way to go.

    to every action there is a reaction. you should be prepared for your actions.

  • conscience

    “Interpol kisses greeks’ asses”

  • Torrenter

    @hmmm

    “Sorry to say, but if you still haven’t understood that it’s a political matter, then you are the fool.”

    OK, that would be fine if you PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION other than some half-assed mumbo jumbo that you proceed to LOL.

    “This is only happening because actual politics worldwide listen more to lobbyists than to the people they are supposed to represent.”

    You have no proof of this and in other countries far closer to the USA – eg. Australia – this hasn’t happend. Evidence would seem to suggest it’s not political in other words.

    “Our “representatives” are asking us day after day to adapt. Fair enough, if they also asked this from companies, which they don’t.”

    The companies ARE NOT BREAKING THE LAW, WHY SHOULD THEY ADAPT?

    You break the law, you get caught – simpleton that you are cannot see this.

    “In fact, they obey them instead of establishing fair rules.”

    Rules that were in place for decades, in some cases CENTURIES EVEN, before any internet piracy started. No how has the mysterious “they” given orders in this then?

    “For example, the laws against file-sharing -wrongly named counterfeiting,”

    In case you don’t know, a transcoded video file is a counterfeit of a DVD and a trancoded CDDA stream is also a counterfeit. Same with a application that’s had the copy protection circumvented.

    Counterfeit is the correct term. It means an inferior copy.

    “organized crime or piracy- would be acceptable if, at the same time, the price of dvds, cds and what else was lowered so that people would have an incentive to buy.”

    LOLWUT? You think that organised crime would be acceptable if the PRICE OF MEDIA DROPPED? Drugs? Alcohol? Just plain delusional – what are you?

    “Instead, prices keep increasing.”

    No they have not, the price of Media has in fact been decreasing markedly – both physical media and especially online media.

    “It’s a political question, no matter how you turn the subject. And so far, the political choices are completely in phasis with the big companies’ will.”

    Yeah whatever – none of your random, delusional ramblings contain any evidence of this and actually brings up issues that seem to indicate the exact opposite is true. And you accuse me of being “foolish” … HAHAHAHA!

    Are all Greek people like this mind numbed, babbling moron? I suddenly see the reasons that the police use teargas and rubber bullets on protestors over in Greece – quite clearly this person is deranged at best.

  • hmmm

    @ Torrenter

    sorry for answering you, hadn’t noticed you were a troll.

  • Torrenter

    Oh yeah, of course when I completely blow your arguments out of the water and make them look silly I am now a “troll”.

    what’s the matter, can’t refute my arguments or something?

  • TheGreekConnection

    Thanks God the other big “Greek” site is holding good.
    Go torrentleech go
    (yes it’s Greeks behind it!!!!)

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  • dwpbike

    from what i read, the country is going down the tubes. so why are resources being diverted to something so trivial?

  • *D

    @all I read from “torrenter” is blablablabla
    arguments? where?

    yawn troll :)

  • Leonidas

    @TheGreekConnection why the fuck would you say that in public fuckin noob?

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  • Kapcha

    “Within a very short time sites including greektvsubs.gr, subtitles.gr, greeksubs, subs4u.gr and apsubs.com had either closed down or removed all subtitles.”

    Local MAFIAA dont want you to see movie with subtitles. No matter, is there the official translation or not.

  • george

    man can you give me an invite in torrent leech?

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  • fakeb0us

    I m the one who before some time i had repoted the panic that created with the subs site in greece
    the result…
    all subtitle team added an x at the start of their name (eg X-24 Team) and continued on other sites like tvsubtitles.net
    so i think that epoe just created space for someone else to cover
    we have seen this on global like oink (i was member) with what cd and waffles and in greece whit diferent forums to come up from nowhere but with great stuff…
    at this time there are 2 mainstream trackers with 40000 members each one of them and 2 mainstream forums with RS links with 200000 members each so in grece the problem is not to pay 10euros per month as we pay more on RS… so i think some new sites will come and some users would be more advanced as they had relax with gamato….

    with love from greece

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  • moufas

    Well i am from greece and i read your posts….In some of them i saw that you say for subtitles…..

    Subtitles sites closed one year ago but opened again with onother domain…..
    Now Gamato.info was a torrent tracker and with p2p connections and we could download files for free.No one of that files was in the server….

    If the greek goverment and EPOE want to caught someone go to the programmers and desiners of the p2p code…..

    Leave the Torrent sites alive.
    If you kill torrents no one will buy DVDs, CDs, and Go to the cinema….Becouse we have no money….What elese you want?

  • Anonymous

    Interpol hunting file-sharers…..

    lolwut?

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  • Anon E Muss

    Who are they gonna arrest next?

    A candlestick maker?

  • kostas
  • [“Instead, prices keep increasing.”

    No they have not, the price of Media has in fact been decreasing markedly – both physical media and especially online media.]

    I don’t know where you’re from but in Greece you will rarely find a new CD for less than 15-20€. One example: When AC/DC’s Black Ice was out, the price in Greece’s largest CD shop was 17€. I bought it from eBay for 15€ [postage included].
    I own around 200 [original] CDs at the moment and there are a lot more that I want to buy. What made me want to buy them is that I had the time to listen to them. I purchased Chris Rea’s Blue Guitars – a collection of 11 NEW albums – for about 60€ from Amazon [you can't find it in Greece] but I had downloaded and listened to the tracks before buying it. There is no way for me to buy something I haven’t thoroughly listened to. I mean, you only get to listen 3-4 singles of a new album at the radio. How am I supposed to know if the rest of the tracks are good?
    As ridiculous as it may sound, the only album I still like from the ones I bought before broadband internet was available in Greece was the Lion King OST.

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  • Kafetzis

    Guys come for vacation in Greece!

    I need your money to buy your CDs…

    ROLF

  • Grecotei cu nas subtire

    Va dau @ muie baaaaa!!!

  • oh well

    I thought Greece was broke. How do they have the $ to afford cops, cars, and gas to chase these hardened criminals? Surely they have bigger problems to worry about.

  • anon

    haha, you say chasing as though they are running away. well guess what, you can go screw yourself with those corrupt laws, when the country reforms and makes you the outlaws, il be joining the police force to kick ur ass

  • Foo Kin Wong

    visit Thessaloniki

  • koros

    I call bullshit on that.

    Hey greek guy, you don’t need to download every piece of shit series like lost or prison break.

    You don’t need to download every piece of shit cd’s that you bitch about being of poor quality (the music industry has died, but you still download them don’t you)

    You don’t need to download every faggy anime,you weeaboo wanabee.

    When you give internet to stupid , illiterate , brainwashed people you get this

    ¡Viva la revolución consumista

  • X

    Bah, just download like a freak until you get caught. Then blame it on your insecure wireless router or your kid’s friends, or your own friends, or a trojan, or whatever…

    Once you’ve been caught twice… close your account with your ISP and open a new one in your spouse’s name, your lodger’s name or whatever!!

    I’ve got full series of just about every popular sit-com, about a thousand movies, thousands of discographics, quite a few e-books, a thousand or so games, probably the same for applications. Essentially, enough content that I could spend over a year 24/7 watching and listening to stuff without anything ever repeating – and probably finding a load of things I’d missed or forgotten about.

    For almost anything new that comes out I can reference something similar in my existing collection, which only enforces my belief that Hollywood can re-package, recycle and regurgitate crap… but it’s rare that anytihng truely new or groundbreaking comes out… and when it does, it’s usually from indie artists who care more about the art than profit ratios.

    The law doesn’t matter, the cyber-crime fighters that will cost the taxpayer millions won’t be able to touch a magnet link site on Freenet where people are using VPNs, proxies, etc. and where site author’s identities are unknown.

    Technology will evolve to overcome the cavemen and their efforts to maintain their extortionate business models.

    It always has, it always will.

  • cando22

    The Greece Government should be ashamed of itself….. Sounds like they were influenced by the Euro Mussolini faction………..

  • Pericles

    Oh well is right. The Greek government have a lot more to worry about right now than a couple of torrent sites. When they’ve got a general strike on their hands and Molotov cocktails on the streets I don’t think they’re going to worry overmuch about filesharing. However the EPOE might have to worry about the people chucking the Molotovs!

  • Jesse Coulter

    I work at CAA and I download illegally all the time.

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