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“Six Strikes” Scheme May Lead to Lawsuits Against Pirates

Early next year the controversial “six-strikes” anti-piracy system will kick off in the U.S. While the initiative itself has a focus on educating instead of punishing BitTorrent pirates, ISPs are obliged to hand over IP-addresses of repeat infringers to the MPAA and RIAA. Commenting on this largely overlooked aspect, CCI director Jill Lesser confirmed to TorrentFreak that lawsuits may indeed be initiated based on information collected under the program.

pirateLast year the MPAA and RIAA teamed up with five major Internet providers in the United States to launch the Center for Copyright Information (CCI).

The parties agreed to operate a system which will see subscribers warned when their connections are observed engaging in copyright infringement. After several warnings ISPs will take a variety of mitigation measures against account holders.

This continues up to six “strikes” and after that “nothing will happen” according to the parties involved. While this is true in terms of mitigation measures applied by Internet providers, the tracking of these subscribers doesn’t stop. Even worse.

In the Memorandum of Understanding signed by the participating parties we read the following:

“The Participating ISP will, however, continue to track and report the number of ISP Notices the Participating ISP receives for that Subscriber’s account, so that information is available to a Content Owner Representative if it elects to initiate a copyright infringement action against that Subscriber.

While copyright infringement action could mean a lot of things, we previously pointed out that this means “lawsuits.” As part of the system ISPs have to share the monthly reports with copyright holders which would allow these groups to uncover identities of these alleged BitTorrent pirates. This means that IP-addresses will be shared without being redacted.

The Memorandum of Understanding puts it as follows.

“The Content Owner Representatives [MPAA / RIAA] or any other member of the Participating Content Owners Group may use such reports or data as the basis for seeking a Subscriber’s identity through a subpoena or order or other lawful process. For the avoidance of doubt, the Parties agree that the Content Owner Representatives may share such reports with the other members of the Participating Content Owners Group..”

This “side-effect” of the six-strikes plan has been largely ignored so to get clarification on the purpose of the above paragraphs TorrentFreak contacted CCI Executive Director Jill Lesser this week.

Lesser confirmed over the phone that the data shared by ISPs would allow copyright holders to request the personal details of alleged infringers through subpoenas, but that this type of legal action is not part of the copyright alerts program. Lesser added that copyright holders can and are already tracking BitTorrent users right now, suggesting that it’s nothing new.

While it is true that the MPAA and RIAA can use monitoring companies to track alleged infringers, from a legal perspective they have a much stronger case when it’s done as part of the copyright alert system.

For example, getting the data from ISPs allows copyright holders to say with certainty that certain accounts were used for multiple infringements, as ISPs will connect dynamic IP-addresses to the correct account holders.

Also, those who receive warnings under the copyright alert system will have to acknowledge that they understand the risks. This means that rightsholders could show the court that subscribers were warned multiple times, but chose not to take action.

Lesser told TorrentFreak that she doesn’t believe that the MPAA and RIAA are interested in going after persistent pirates. However, she admitted that she doesn’t know why the language was included in the agreement, as she wasn’t yet around when the agreement was drafted.

While we can’t say with certainty that information shared by the ISPs will lead to lawsuits from the RIAA or MPAA, it wouldn’t be a surprise if this happens. Why else would they have negotiated this option to begin with?

We can think of no other reason why these groups would want to know the identities of repeat infringers.

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  • ofProto

    Fuck the MAFIAA!

    Seed… seed.. FOREVER

    • guest

      Seedbox time?

      • http://twitter.com/TraciJohnson19 Traci Johnson

        This means that IP-addresses will be shared without being redacted.http://youtubeGoogleAmericanJob.qr.net/jVwS/watch?v=lQPBSI0W9o4R

        • Guest

          Dumbass work-at-home-advertising scheme. Don’t bother clicking.

      • Tits=Good

        If Traci Johnson showed her tits I would click!

        • sfdfssdf

          Too bad they are fake.

        • http://twitter.com/inguatu ingua2

          tits are tits.. don’t be a fag.

    • Lulz

      We must get many a printer multiple notices.

    • Guest

      Last time they sued their customers not even 1% of them settled and the 3 they sued did not pay any dime to them and will never do so. Oh, and I forgot this. Did it helped their business? Nop. Their business kept sinking by 50% taking with it Hollywood too. Did it discourage people from exchanging files between each others? No.

      This been said, this is the deal folks. Without a serious boycott against the business of these asshole, someone will have to kill them all. We can not afford 5 more years of these corporate parasites without very serious damage to our society our freedom and our economy.

      Think of their victims folks. The artists who has been ripped-off the actors who has been robed, the kids who has been raped and recently the people who has been bullied and harassed with lawsuits and illegal prison sentences.

      Personally I had more than enough of them and I will not be more happy to see them all dead.

      • JordanKratz

        I have no sympathy at all for MAFIAA ! Wish we could have Hunting Season on MAFIAA.

    • JordanKratz

      VPN with No Logs Too !!!
      FUCK YOU MAFIAA !
      I am going to Seed and take whatever I want.I will never allow your Industry a way into my wallet.
      MAFIAA this move will only get a lot of people angry at you.And they will learn the truth.

  • Anyone

    time to start a VPN and rake in the money

    • Guest

      IPv6 Tunnel Broker Time!

      • Oyster

        That might not be such a bad idea. At least it will relegate IPv4 to the same level as ATM in many comm systems.

  • https://twitter.com/xarinatan Alexander ypema

    I KNEW there was more to it, it seemed too nice and civil for the MAFIAA.

    • IHaveNoBalls

      It was never civil

  • politux

    I see an entire new group of Joel Tenenbaums being created through this draconian legislation. Like that case it will ultimately backfire on the copyright holders when the average American wakes up and realizes this is basically legal blackmail.

    • Anon

      When you can convince the entire American nation that paying for digital merchandise you take or face a penalty is “blackmail” you’ll have some influence in the debate. Until then you remain an ignorant and cowardly pirate. Especially ignorant. lol

      • Anyone

        but people are paying for all digital content they take

        have you ever seen a pricetag on TPB?

        • Nejtillpirater

          Too bad you opinion is fake you corporate paid troll/cop. We know who you are and there is no need to change your name.

        • Nejtillpirater

          Sorry that was for anon.

      • Fredrika

        > “When you can convince the entire American nation that paying for digital merchandise you take or face a penalty is “blackmail”..”

        The entire American population already knows that threatening someone with suing them in court over an unproven act if they don’t immediately pay a settlement, is by every definition of the word blackmail.

        • Anon

          Fredrika, you are so grown-up smart and so insightfully erudite and so well versed in international law, I think you should write your petition to the court and let us all know how you were able to school them on how their enforcement of law is actually blackmail.

        • Fredrika

          > “you are so grown-up smart and so insightfully erudite and so well versed in international law, I think you should write your petition to the court and let us all know how you were able to school them on how their enforcement of law is actually blackmail.”

          Politux’s comment has nothing to do with any courts enforcement of any laws? He refers to private entities alone(that hold no authority to enforce law), and their extortion of Internet subscribers, regarding unproven allegations.

          Maybe you should actually read the comments you reply to, and try to understand what they refer to, before posting responses in the future?

        • Anyone

          @Anon
          private entities can’t enforce the law

          and asking for a cash settlement with a threat of a lawsuit is blackmail

        • Pelham123

          Anon, requests for settlements can ft the legal definition of extortion. Usually, they don’t. They are NEVER enforcement of the law.

          Threatening to sue someone does not make you an enforcer of the law. I threaten to sue people all the time for all kinds of stuff. That makes me a douche, not a cop.

        • Pelham123

          “and asking for a cash settlement with a threat of a lawsuit is blackmail”

          Sometimes … usually not.

          But it’s extortion in spirit for sure, which is why so many people want to put a stop to it.

          And look at the characters who file these lawsuits. Malibu Media doesn’t produce anything – they are glorified loan sharks who sue for a living. It’s not like Metallica is personally suing people.

        • Fredrika

          > “Sometimes … usually not.”

          When making that semantic assessment, you should weigh in three additional aspects of their modus operandi.

          1) They don’t know if the person they threat actually has performed an infringement.

          2) They don’t care.

          3) They have no intention of ever going to court in more than possibly 0,001% of all cases.

          > “But it’s extortion in spirit for sure..”

          Since they don’t know or care if they are right(the tracked file transfer might be non-infringing), and don’t know or care if the victim is in the wrong(the actual person who initiated the file transfer), i’d say it’s worse than extortion in spirit.

          Those criteria(don’t know/don’t care X2) could also be said being equal when talking about real criminal extortion of the classic type(cosa nostra/o.c.), but these extortionist(the Mafiaa) in addition abuse and reference the judicial system(something that’s supposed to be a good thing for citizens) to bring unjust and extra credibility to their extortion, and that could one say makes it worse that regular criminal extortion.

          > “It’s not like Metallica is personally suing people.”

          On a different note, i’ve stopped listening to those fuckers for three reasons. The way they treated Newsted, the sound quality on St Anger and the one after whatever it’s called, and the Napster incident.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Anon

          ” I think you should write your petition to the court and let us all know how you were able to school them on how their enforcement of law is actually blackmail.”

          Verizon already did in their petition of discovery against malibu media. You see, my dear Baghdad Bob, if it turns out someone is using shoddy self-fabricated evidence in order to try to extort money out of thousands of citizens, that is called fraud.

          But hey, don’t take Fredrikas or my words for it. You might be well advised to look at the last few dozen judgements on ip-based lawsuits however, and see for yourself how judges are starting to set a fair amount of legal precedent that the glory days are over for that business model.

          I’m sure you won’t have too many problems finding another job. There’s always someone willing to employ people so good at self-abasement they literally don’t mind what image they present to the public, as long as there’s 50 cents in it.

          You might try Malibu Media.

      • IDIOCRACY

        Dear Anon, how does it come that the more you write here on this forum, the more you sound as a 12 year old, bored boy that gets ass-whipped all day by his mom for not cleaning up his pirated copies of Toystory and disney classics, so in pure vengeance starts to call people names on a tech forum,… what this actually is.
        And how do you get so deluded that someone has to convince the entire American nation to change something… did you ever hear of anyone changing anything in the corrupt states of america? We don’t start (at least me) to do anything there, we don’t need, the CSA will isolate itself more and more, more and more companies will go to china that already owns your banks, your streets your cars, your internet…well for all your government, the rest what is left over is owned by the arabs. Figure that one out..

        Just for an example, you ignored that fact yesterday, but the dutch government will vote next week in favor of a proposal to explicitly not create a downloading prohibition law, (do you know what that means?? That downloading stays legal, any downloading that is… even of software, and read here “downloading” is not the same as “using without license” which stays against the law).

        So dear Anon, you see how stupid you look now… it only needs other EU countries to do so too (like portugal already did, and CSA will be out of business. All avalanches start with a little piece moving,. sit back and watch this one enfold…or fight it and die under it. hehe

      • Who

        “Fredrika, you are so grown-up smart and so insightfully erudite and so well versed in international law, I think you should write your petition to the court and let us all know how you were able to school them on how their enforcement of law is actually blackmail”

        hey DICK HEAD! if you actually read the DMCA it does say that NO international law’s may be broken to enforce copyright law. BTW FUCK HEAD international laws have already been broken because of the DMCA enforcement.
        BTW again FUCK HEAD if you read the DMCA you would know that its actually based on actual copyright law and NOT the copyright law the MPAA/RIAA support. so I don’t even know Y they are shoving the DMCA in every ones faces to start with.

        the copyright law found here http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
        is a contradiction of what the DMCA actually stats and they are basing there NO UNAUTHORIZED COPYING OR DISTRIBUTION on it instead of the DMCA. *BTW distribution also has nothing to do with copyright infringement*
        it is ALSO a contradiction to the US constitution found here as an archive http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html
        and to intellectual property rights laws. unfortunately since these laws are undergoing changes they have been pulled from the web. *probably to hide every ones rights just the same*

        ALSO not to forget the FACT that the MPAA owns 50% of the US isp’s now this 6 strike’s shit is merely on them and really has no government involvement.
        and yes even tho AT&T is not owned by them they are merely paid by the MPAA to enforce there so called reasoning of copyright infringement.

        LEGALLY because this monitoring is in violation of the IPA they should be stopped. and when I mean by in violation I mean ONLY government officials are allowed to monitor activity. the MPAA/ISP’s is NOT the government.

        • Who are you?

          Oh look, it’s another pirate lawyer!

        • Who’s Next

          Seems like you’ve gotten in tune with the straight and narrow.

        • Me, that’s who

          @Who are you?

          Oh look, it’s another person defending stupid laws that criminalize society and disregard the reality, that endless copies are of no significant cost.

          Pirates are learning the laws sticks being used to beat them with.
          Cry moar when millions of people in society take that law stick off you and shove it up your ass.

           
           
          Your posts implying laws are always just, fair and good……. ?

          Bitch please, grow the fuck up !

        • IDIOCRACY

          Oh look it is another person being absolutely right, he could become a civil rights Lawyer. so fixed “who are you?” his comment hehe..

        • Who

          have a look @ this folks. http://www.copyright.gov/docs/2265_stat.html

          quoted from a part of of what is stated in this LAW

          “17 U.S.C., Chapter 5. Infringement is a crime ONLY where it is done “willfully AND for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain”

          so as Ive stated before….ENOUGH with this copyright horse shit!!

        • Who
        • Who
      • Pelham123

        No one has ever been or ever will face a penalty for “taking digital merchandise.” Even IP theft is not “taking digital merchandise.” And you discredit yourself every time you confuse copying with taking. We all know the difference, even the RIAA and MPAA. Join the debate or you might have to face further mockery.

        The lawsuits in this case would be for unauthorized mass distribution of copyrighted material.

        I think they’re extremely unlikely. Ernesto wants hits, or maybe he just disagrees with me.

        But as you yourself pointed out last night, it’s pretty easy to hew close to the letter of the law and still torrent anything you want. So nobody who cares will be racking up strikes.

        Be careful who you call ignorant. You don’t understand everything about this yet … keep reading and you’ll get it.

      • IHaveNoBalls

        I think the word blackmail fits nicely.
        They will ask you for a few thousand pounds or risk going to court which would bankrupt most people since the cost per infringement is so high. and since they are using outdated laws intended for piracy which is for profit on people who download and make no profit of what they’re downloaded. Id’e say its also unfair and quite scary that the courts haven’t noticed any of this.
        So they know they can scare and exploit people into handing over cash because those people know they wont have a fair trial and stand to lose everything.

        BLACKMAIL DEFINITION
        any payment extorted by intimidation, as by threats of injurious revelations or accusations.

      • Xult

        are you Jack Murdock?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          I’ve been thinking the same – Murdock disappears, then “Anon” shows up.

          Could just be coincidence but on every forum that’s the pattern. Two, possibly three copywrong trolls show up, discredit themselves with insane suppositions and hyperbole, then suddenly vanish.

          Replaced by three other copywrong trolls with the same vocabulary, tone, and trying to push the exact same lies onto the forum public as the last three.

          Rinse. Repeat.

      • Shadynasty

        no one cares dude. Dont want people trying to view something, then dont make any content. No one is asking for content to be made. NO ONE

  • Guest

    What happens if someone gets all six strikes, gets his access revoked, and still gets sued? Won’t be a first; the RIAA thinks nothing of suing people without computers, homes, or a living pulse! Of course Nej, Anon and Baghdad BobMail think this is all perfectly rational and sensible.

    • Steve Smith

      Um wouldn’t surprise me to see people get sued after strike 2. these media companies only care about getting their money book hook or crook.

      • Guest

        I wouldn’t be surprised that the MPAA/RIAA and other copyright holders and copyright trolls will be demanding the handover of the IP address, account holders personal details only after being informed just the once by the ISP never mind being told 2 to 6 times by the ISP.

    • Anon

      I think putting Hanna Beshara in prison is rational and sensible. I think letting Joel’s $675,000 fine stand is demonstrably rational and sensible, after three different courts of appeal–three– agreed. Of course you’ll say they were all bribed. Moron. And did you hear that Jammie wants the Supreme court to rescind her fine, set by a jury of her peers?

      This is better than Hollywood. I love this shit. more popcorn.

      • Anyone

        you are a sadist

        • Anon

          I’m a realist. When pirates present their case with respect and respect for the system in which they wish to be heard, they’ll be heard. Until then, you know what’s justly, predictably coming, so if you want to hide and advocate for a form of digital theft, stop bitching about it.

          This is your cue to remind me (and the global court system) that infringement is not theft. lol

        • Anyone

          so because 0.001% are caught their life should be ruined?
          what kind of perverted logic is that?

          the law is unreasonable, non-profit copyright infringement causes no harm, having your life ruined because of it is cruel and unusual punishment

        • Guest

          What respect is there to be presented for a group of lunatics who think nothing of suing the right people? Out of Thomas and Tenebaum, how many other kids and dead grandmothers have you sued? How much of the money “stolen” from artists by alleged pirates has been returned to artists?

          This was never about supporting artists or law. The RIAA has consistently boasted greater yearly bonuses to Mitch Bainwol. You’re a joke if you think this is helping your case any aside from the confirmation that you’re willing to pour your resources into torching houses in search for invisible cockroaches.

        • Tripping

          Nice Anon, at last, you made an effort this time.

          Why that system should be respected? If X person would use the same tricks to take money from another person, it would be sent to jail for extortion and blackmail. People who dedicate their time to file-sharing are just doing the same all these years, while those groups and organizations are changing the rules at pleasure to take advantage, thanks to their influence in those governments.

          You’re just a blind follower and looks like you’re not affected and you must not involved in all these things, you’re just a fanatic moralist with the ideology “we all must obey the law, because it’s the law”.

          So, people should keep quiet when they see their rights being removed?
          You must feel sick every time a revolution starts and every time a dictator falls.

          BTW, if you want USA should become the country with most people sent to prison for sharing things they like, good, but don’t try to involve other nations which are not concerned to give more money to those groups and organizations.

        • Pelham123

          And no, you are not in any way a realist. You don’t have a grip on the facts and you’re not here to discuss the facts. You’re here for some other reason, which is why people make fun of you.

          I want to take you seriously because I think you feel bad about being picked on. But you have to stop acting like you’re getting off on saying things you know are wrong.

        • Pelham123

          And finally, Anon, one more thing – stop liking your own posts.

        • Pelham123

          “When pirates present their case with respect and respect for the system in which they wish to be heard, they’ll be heard … This is your cue to remind me (and the global court system) that infringement is not theft. lol”

          Do you see your problem, Anon? It’s right here in your post.

          The “pirate” case has already been made with respect and respect for the system. And we’ve been heard. You are pretending this didn’t happen? Why?

          And nobody is arguing that infringement is theft. The MAFIAA doesn’t say that. Even you don’t say that. So WTF?

          Why don’t YOU present a case with respect and respect for the system in which you wish to be heard that you’re offering serious commentary? You seem like you’re just saying things you think will offend people for the purpose of offending them. If so, the only proper response is to make fun of you. Maybe that is what you want us to do.

        • Xult

          Murdock… canadian lawyer come crappy musician methinks!

        • Anon

          And another thing. I want to see asses raped. Raped hard by legislative powers handed undemocratically to corporate monopolists or, failing that, just by a big steel baton. And it’ll be the rape victims fault, because they shouldn’t have asked for it by being born with an ass.

      • markh

        Do you have some brains, but do you really think that Tenenbaum will pay up 675.000 dollars, lol he will declare himself bankrupt. I doubt if he has any money. In Holland they have a saying.

        Een kale kip kun je niet plukken

        • Xult

          It is a total wind up by a troll fully paid by the Canadian version of the MPAA!

      • Blank

        The system is hopelessly corrupted by the devils that run our system of law and their overpaid troll army of lawyers and grunts, funded by extortionist tactics. Please, tell me again why we should respect this system?

      • Pelham123

        “I think letting Joel’s $675,000 fine stand is demonstrably rational and sensible, after three different courts of appeal–three– agreed. Of course you’ll say they were all bribed. Moron. ”

        If you don’t want people to make fun of you, as you said last night, don’t say stuff like this.

        The people who say they were bribed are joking.

        Courts of appeal don’t rule on whether fines re demonstrably rational and sensible. They rule on whether they fit the current law. Don’t just type, man, think.

      • IHaveNoBalls

        Downloading a song or film or whatever is somehow different to stealing it from a shop from a courts perspective.
        Why? i have no clue (its not my job to know)
        If you steal from a shop you just get prison or community service but if you download a film you get fines on top. The fines are ridiculously out proportion.

        Its the Law and the courts that are wrong mate.

      • Shadynasty

        why you dont make movies, you do nothing. you just troll online at the wrong site. get a life, time are changing. you can be using violence to force things. if your material is not selling, guess what? its capitalism, time to discontinue operations. If people really like the content being made, they would pay for it and support it but content that people are being sued for is shallow and mediocre at best. Its the studios fault, they are the ones making content trying to attract people. Cant hypnotize someone and then say they were at fault. Get a life dood.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        And did you notice how every time a flagrantly unjust sentence such as that was handed out, the pirates gained even more support from any who heard about the case?

        Just like impounding a nine year old girl’s laptop over the download of one broken song didn’t net you any friends in Finland.

        Once again, Baghdad Bob, that’s not popcorn you are eating. And I’m afraid that the republican guard did NOT win the Iraq war either.

        I’m, however, happy for you that you have the necessary amount of delusion to believe both that you haven’t already lost, and that you gain satisfaction from the belief that those crunchy things you are eating are popcorn. There’s precious little that might amuse you outside of the confines of your own skull, i fear.

      • Guest

        I think that at this time, hanging as many entertainment executives as we can starting with the presidents and CEO is rational and sensible too Mr corrupted cop.

    • Dondilly

      The fundamental flaw in the scheme they can’t address is that even assuming the ip addr is correct, it merely identifies an account holder not necessarily an infringer. This is compounded by the fact router/gateway is often provided by the ISP, not only can it be hacked, the connection between it and the DSLAM in the exchange is not secure. Add to that the useless wifi security and any case against you short of raiding your house and seizing computers will not stand up to scrutiny.

      As with the copyright trolls, the last thing the mpaa/riaa will want is to take someone to court as it risks their entire FUD based campaign.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “As with the copyright trolls, the last thing the mpaa/riaa will want is to take someone to court as it risks their entire FUD based campaign.”

        It does more than that, it actually risks setting precedent. They have a case far shakier than even the tobacco companies in their time which means if an ip-adress-based case EVER made it to SCOTUS they are BADLY screwed.

        This is why Verizon’s petition to have discovery granted against malibu media is such a nice shot across the bow of the MPAA. If discovery is granted and malibu media is forced by the court to divulge how their grounds for the lawsuit has been compiled, there will be a legal precedent to literally turn the MPAA inside out over similar suits.

        God only knows what will emerge from that other than directly fraudulent practice. That may be enough, however.

  • guest

    In other news seedbox and vpn services will gain thousands of happy customers.

  • Guest

    If this scheme has the same success rate that Hadopi has had, then this should turn out to backfire gloriously.

    I’ll get the popcorn ready. I would seed some too, but the tech hasn’t progressed that far yet.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Just don’t get the popcorn where “Anon” gets his.

      Whatever is in that gailly colored paper bag from which he partakes with great delight keeps squirming.

  • Rekrul

    Of course people are going to get sued. The MPAA/RIAA would never have agreed to a plan that didn’t provide for an easy way for them to sue.

    • Vincent Giannell

      The MPAA/RIAA will no doubt get sued themselves for this action.

      • Guest

        Lets hope for another Rightshaven.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        This is absolutely the all important unknown.

        The ISPs and Copyright Holders have made a historic deal to share the private identifying information of 260 Million Customers without benefit of Warrants or Judicial Process.

        Will those Customers wake up to the abuse?

        Even if they wake up, will they shrug and go back to sleep?

        Will Customers sue? Will they whip electoral shock and awe in the legislatures?

        We will find out over the coming few months; but, if these five monopoly ISPs can successfully implement the submission of 350 Million Americans to be governed under the terms of an imposed MOU (the product of a Corporate political dark-net), we should at least understand that we waited too long to save Democracy itself in America.

        That reality might one day see us in ovens.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          As I keep reminding people when they say all they ever see about the Pirate Party is downloading, I remind them that the most visible single phenomenon that led to the american revolution was a tax imposed on imported tea…

        • JordanKratz

          I intend on talking to some of the local Advocate Lawyers I know here in Portland, Maine as I would like to know if I can do a Lawsuit against Time Warner.Next time I am Downtown I should go have a talk with one of them.

  • Akemi

    in usa we don’t have any expression liberty aiiishhh those unarrested mafiaaa

    • 1334123

      In the USA we speak and type proper English.

      • English Engish

        Any literate Briton will point out the flaw in your claim ;)

        • English Engish

          (Note the intentionally ironic username) ;)

  • Heisenberg7

    What, they’re using an “educational” program as a thinly veiled way of collecting data to take litigants to court and sue them for millions of dollars? WHO WOULDA THUNK?

    • Tunnel Man

      ISPs collecting customer’s data? WHO WOULDA THUNK?

      The only thing I want from my ISP is the bandwidth I pay for.
      After that it’s encrypted tunnels all the way down!

      I do feel bad for the local coffee shop w/ naked WiFi.
      This is gonna get very very messy.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “I do feel bad for the local coffee shop w/ naked WiFi.”

        Everyone’s wifi is naked. Well. more or less everyone’s. Given that nearly all available access points are vulnerable to the reaver hardware hack, it no longer matters whether you run WPA or not.

        http://lifehacker.com/5873407/how-to-crack-a-wi+fi-networks-wpa-password-with-reaver

        Now imagine pissing off your next-door tech-savvy neighbor. Or anyone capable of following simple instructions and has an attitude…

  • Loglog420

    My response to a lawsuit: Bankruptcy!

    • 2345234

      Too bad you can only file bankruptcy in civil cases. MAFIAA makes sure it’s criminal so you can’t do that, you either pay up or goto prison.

  • http://thepiratebay.se/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

    My finger says it all about what I think about this entire situation, and to anybody who supports Hollywood’s stance I say this finger is for you and that’s the bottomline cause StoneCold420 said so!!!

  • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

    Sigh…. since Usenet isn’t as useful… does anyone know how to ACTUALLY make sure that your VPN doesn’t drop and expose your IP under Kubuntu/ubuntu?

    • Anon

      Gear wisely asks, while the FBI is watching. lol

      • Hbojbayo

        ’cause FBI is the world police and free speech is prohibited now?

        Mafiaa should at least try to hire someone who is not a retard.
        Oh well, you got what you paid for I guess

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Why shouldn’t he? Any good security solutions is perfectly viable no matter who knows about it.

        The bad security solutions are the only ones who have to rely on obscurity.

        Which is why spreading the how-to of good security protocol is as much use to any listener with malicious intent as revealing that Chuck Norris is in fact an accomplished martial artist and what belts he has degrees in.

        However, idiots with little to no technical knowledge or security sense do like to make irrelevant non sequitors just like little “Anon” there.

    • guest

      This might work.Just make sure it closes the programs automatically, like transmission or a program that forces ubuntu to use the vpn connection.

      http://sourceforge.net/projects/vpnautoconnect/

    • Anyone

      get a router that automatically connects to the VPN

    • Whatsnext

      could use 2 vpn’s

      • test test

        vpn inside a vpn!

    • Techanon

      use ippolice (look it up on sourceforge) to setup a firewall that cuts traffic if not connected to the VPN.

    • Ray186

      In your bit-torrent client there should be something that says “Enforce IP bindings even when interfaces are not available, prevents any connections if none of the specified interfaces are available” ticking this box works great for me.

      • Hmmmmm

        Is that feature in Vuze only? Looking for it in utorrent. Can’t find it.

      • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

        Hey, thanks for the responses :D Sorry I’ve away… I tried the “Enforce IP bindings” thing in Vuze, and tested it and it went right on using the regular connection when the VPN was down. I’m not sure if this is because “tun0″ wasn’t the right thing to put or what.

        • Ray186

          You have to have the VPN running before you enforce the IP binding. My 2 VPN’s come up as either ppp or eth. Or you can use this: Or you can use this:

          http://vpnlifeguard.blogspot.c

    • Guest326

      put your torrent client in a vm (vmware player)
      bind the vm to the vpns virtual interface (exclude the vm from binding to your real interface using vmnetcfg)

      This can also be set up with actual hardware if you have an extra machine/nic lying around via interface bridging…

    • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

      Thanks for the responses… I’m not sure how using vmware would work (that would take a bit of study which I’ll do if I have to :P) but I didn’t know about ippolice. I’m going to go look that up and see if I can get it to work.

      • Guest326

        The main takeaway with this is that running the torrent client in a vm (sandbox) allows you to restrict what it has access to on your native system.
        You can feed it only what you want (access to your vpn interface only).
        This way you don’t have to worry about some corner case you may have forgotten about when using another program to shut down the torrent client or some firewall rules…

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      The easiest way is by hardware – set your router up to automatically tunnel all traffic to your VPN. If your connection drops, your computer doesn’t HAVE an access point to the brightnet.

      You might also research the topic here:

      https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient

      Basically, it is possible to ensure your computer knows it is not allowed to make any connections without going via the VPN.

      However, I would recommend the router set myself, or starting the applications you want to run from within a virtualization.

  • Anonymous

    anyone that thought there was anything going to happen except law suits must be in ga-ga land! there has never been any intention of ‘educating’ at all. i really hope though that those who are falsely accused take the entertainment industries, the tracking companies and the ISPs to court en bloc. said before, the only way to fight this is by consolidating resources. if what is wanted is no one using the internet, so be it. see how long any ISP lasts with only businesses as customers, because i can see that coming about

  • FD

    Yeah people in the US will release that when they start taking it without Vaseline, expect people loosing their house over ridicule damage request in next years

    • huli

      It’s losing their house….loosing isn’t a word. Maybe you meant ot say, loosening but somehow I doubt it. You texting generation kids need to learn to spell lose/loose. IT’S AN EPIDEMIC, and god knows why no one ever corrects you tweeners on it. I will never correct anyone on anything except this. I literally see the misspelling of this word 20 times a day.

      • gdfTeateam

        lol . English is not my first not even second language . so take it easy not all people should spell English 10/10

  • ObiousTrollisAnon

    Hey look, Anon is back trolling another Torrentfreak article

    • Anon

      lol
      Pirates are unlawful miscreants, increasingly recognized the world over.
      Don’t agree?
      Show me the MONEY! lolol

      • Anoun

        Here’s your money, I keep it in a pouch up my arse that only kisses can open.

        Don’t agree? Get to fuck then. trololol

      • 4236546

        I’m unlawful? I may be a pirate, but I sure as hell do purchase stuff.

        Content, of course, that I enjoy.

      • xpmule

        nope and I will show you my middle finger ;)

        your statements are blown wide open as lies and bullshit and yet you ignore that and continue to run your mouth..
        why ?
        I think you are Trolling here on purpose and no i don’t want you banned or anything because i come here to watch the entertainment of watching people like you up and put you in your place time after time lol

        ya who’s laughing ? ;)

        Watching a copyright troll get owned is worth so much more than the latest hollywood block buster movie lol !

        • Oyster

          “Watching a copyright troll get owned is worth so much more than the latest hollywood block buster movie lol !”

          Just show how utterly bad lates hollywood block buster movies are.

    • Jimmy671

      Yes,his boyfriend told him that he allowed to use the PC.

  • Freedom of Speech

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/12/dotcom-case-becoming-one-of-the-most-expensive-in-new-zealand-history/

    On the same day that the Megaupload tycoon starred in “MegaChristmas” in Auckland, taking the role of “Santa Dotcom,” a New Zealand TV channel revealed that the NZ government has spent millions of tax dollars going after him, making it likely one of the most expensive cases in the country’s history.

    According to documents released to One News under the Official Information Act (analogous to the United States’ Freedom of Information Act), “up to five crown lawyers have spent more than 6,000 hours working on the case. Crown law will not say how much that has cost, but private firms charge up to NZ$600 (US$504) an hour, which would bring the bill to more than NZ$3 million (US$2.5 million).”

    • Anonymous

      the stupid part about this is that all that money has been spent BY OTHERS to try to protect an industry IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT HASN’T SPENT A FUCKING DIME ON THIS FIASCO, ON DOING ANYTHING TO PROTECT ITSELF OR GIVING CUSTOMERS WHAT THEY KEEP PLEADING FOR BY JOINING THE DIGITAL AGE! if there had been $1 only spent, it’s too much! that money could have been spent much more wisely, on much more needy causes than pandering the US entertainment industries. the NZ government and law enforcement deserve whatever shit they get now for being so bloody dumb, going along with the US bullshit and lies without even questioning if the info was true or not!

  • chronoss

    they just want the data on whom you are to wack you all

    a lazy scam by lazy people, imagine if copyright were 5 years all those fucking lazy buggers would be bums on the street cause they don’t know how to get a real job and work for a living

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “imagine if copyright were 5 years all those fucking lazy buggers would be bums on the street cause they don’t know how to get a real job and work for a living”

      That depends on whether you count working in the sex industry is “working for a living”. The internet should have taught you there are lots of strange tastes out there, my boy.

      Who knows? Even “Anon” might be able to eke out more than 50 cents per job?

  • Mtndewbee

    I hope the accuse some poor worker at say…sony, downloading something from Pbay only do shut down all of sonys internet because of one worker.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Actually, in Sweden there was a lot of legal fiasco when it turned out that according to the data handed over apparently SFI – the Swedish Film institute – was guilty of distributing a film over bittorrent.

      SFI being one of the primary employers of the local MPAA, this turned out to be a bit of an embarrassment. Because of course an ip adress would have to be valid, amirite? Irrespective of the investigation coming up with no leads on whether anyone within SFI did indeed fileshare anything at all…

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  • IDIOCRACY

    Just some information for our trolls (I start to enjoy feeding them).
    In the Netherlands, another ISP company is starting to open up the routers of customers for open wifi, this means there is no thing as linking an IP address to an account anymore, the router is running open wifi for all to use and the ISPs client has an internal IP address 10.xxx.xxx.xxx or 192.168.xxx.xxx configured in the router and invisible to the outside world due to NAT. The one joining the new network configuration is UPC, Ziggo already did. How you think a six strike scheme will work when there is all free Internet on wifi around?….. FAIL. But hey the Netherlands vote next week against a download prohibition… so…hehe watch the avalanche unfold.

    • Nona

      Why can’t people just pay for stuff? These people worked long and hard to create their music/movies and people don’t seem to care they’re getting ripped off. We live in an entitlement society, where everybody just feels they’re entitled to things, even if it’s obviously stealing.

      • Fredrika

        > “Why can’t people just pay for stuff?”

        You’d have to be completely economically insane to pay for stuff that holds no economical value. Now if you want to waste your money, go a head, but don’t expect anyone else to be so stupid.

        However, pirates do pay, more than non-pirates, and they pay so much so that the culture industry currently has higher revenues than ever before. There doesn’t exist any cultural or copyright related problem.

        > “These people worked long and hard to create their music/movies and people don’t seem to care they’re getting ripped off.”

        They are not getting ripped of by pirates. Manufacturing a copy isn’t the logical equivalent of ripping someone of. If they are ripped of, it’s by those they do business with out of their own free will, and that’s their problem.

        > “We live in an entitlement society, where everybody just feels they’re entitled to things, even if it’s obviously stealing.”

        Yes, for some reason many copyright holders feel entitled in that way. Despite the fact that society have no proven need for the copyright monopoly, they think they are entitled to a legislative monopoly anyway, that steals from peoples property rights and the free market. Weak failed freetards is an appropriate description for their dishonest nature.

      • guest

        What about used cds/dvds/bluray/games. Lets say i buy a dvd and then later on sell it to someone else for %50 of the price. Did the riaa/mpaa/game company receive another sale? no. There is a huge amount of people that buy used.

        What about if i buy a dvd and let all of my friends borrow it and watch it. Is that considered stealing?

        • Anon

          I think Fredrika should go to the cd/dvd store, buy some cds/dvd’s, copy them and then return them for full credit, explaining there is no harm. lol

          Fredrika ia a childish idiot. She’s barely entertaining. lol Just barely.

        • Anyone

          why should an antique store selling plastic discs be involved?

          if I borrow a DVD from a friend and make a copy for myself, who did I harm? my friend borrowed it to me willingly, I paid for all the materials for my copy (including a levy to my local MAFIAA), so there is no harm whatsoever

        • Grammar SS

          Nope he didnt borrowed it to you willingly. He _lent_ you willingly.

        • Who are you?

          “What about if i buy a dvd and let all of my friends borrow it and watch it. Is that considered stealing?”

          No, it’s not. But if it says on the DVD that lending it is against the law then you are breaking the law.

        • Oyster

          Oyster writes “It is illegal for the individual known by the nick „Who are you?“ to posess this note as it is the property of the individual known by the nick Oyster” on a note and hands it to „Who are you?“. Now by your own words and recogning you are breaking the law. Spot the fallacy yet?

        • Anon

          @Anyone
          I’m going to hope you are intelligent enough to understand that what you are doing is widely and lawfully considered harmful, illegal, and we will apprehend you and punish you for it.

          Then again you are a pirate, subject to hunt and capture. This works for me better than it works for you. lol

        • Anyone

          @Anon
          by whom is it considered harmful?
          because all studies so far show that non-profit piracy causes no harm
          people have copied VHS, cassettes, CDs and DVDs for decades now, if there was actually any harm why are the industries still around?

        • guest

          i was comparing these methods to filesharing… if people lend or buy the products used, companies don’t gain any sales. Based on that, might as well download it.

        • Ophelia Millais

          @Anon, Your ad hominem detracts from your weak and uncompelling moral argument, so I shouldn’t bother responding, but I will anyway. Simply put, the DVD store has no inherent right to stay in business, nor any entitlement to sell as many DVDs as there are people who would watch those films. The DVD vendor and the studios supplying the product are in a ridiculous business, trying to sell delayed, overpriced content in inconvenient formats, full of arbitrary region and device restrictions, unskippable commercials, and other “features” that aim to solve the studios’ business problems rather than fulfilling consumer needs. This is the lesson already learned by CD shops, which are almost all gone now, killed by Amazon, iTunes and streaming services moreso than by piracy. My TV can stream video files from my computer’s DLNA server, YouTube, Netflix, etc., thus I haven’t put an actual DVD in my player in over a year. So I’m not about to run down to the buggy whip store—I mean DVD store—and try to keep the studios in business that way, just because they can’t get their act together. They’re already getting some of my money one way or another, and there’s only so much for them to get, no matter how much of their content I consume, 99% of which is past its marketability prime anyway. So really, no sympathy whatsoever here. Keep trying, though.

        • Who are you?

          “… if people lend or buy the products used, companies don’t gain any sales”. Which is ultimately the issue. It is not always (if at all) legal to lend or sell on as second hand the products you mention.

          “Based on that, might as well download it.” I assume you mean download it illegally for free? If so, why not buy it new if you want it and can afford it? If you can’t afford it save until you can.

        • Fredrika

          > “If so, why not buy it new if you want it and can afford it?”

          Why would anyone economically sane buy something that holds no economical value? It makes no sense.

          > “If you can’t afford it save until you can.”

          Since the dawn of society a viable option has always been to manufacture it yourself instead, as people filesharing does.

          > “But if it says on the DVD that lending it is against the law then you are breaking the law.”

          This might come as a surprise to you, but what’s written on the back of a DVD case is not the law any more than what’s written on the back of a box of Cheerios.

        • Anyone

          if it is not legal to lend or resell a product that I bought that law has to be changed
          I can do whatever the fuck I want with my property, who are you to tell me otherwise?

        • Who are you?

          @ Anyone.

          “if it is not legal to lend or resell a product that I bought that law has to be changed”

          Then by all means feel free to campaign to have the appropriate law changed.

          “I can do whatever the fuck I want with my property, who are you to tell me otherwise?”

          I’m not telling you otherwise. I’m only pointing out that in law as far as copyright is concerned there is generally no right to sell, hire, lend or copy licensed material. As I said above, you are entitled in law to campaign to have the law changed.

        • Oyster

          “I’m only pointing out that in law as far as copyright is concerned there
          is generally no right to sell, hire, lend or copy licensed material.”

          Actually there are rights to sell, hire or lend “licensed material”. The first is from the first sale doctorine, the second and third come from property rights. Otherwise how did any DVD/VHS rental work? Sure as fuck they didnt go begging to the copyrights holder for permission as they didnt have to.

          Now copying, up to an extend, is also allowed for purposed of critique, remixing, collation, satire and such and falls under the fair use doctorine.

          The above is from the Berne international copyright convention if my memory serves right.

        • Anon

          Me calling anybody else a childish idiot is amazing.

          We will apprehend and punish people who return CDs or DVDs thinking there is no harm. lol

        • Wallace

          Who are you? -

          “If you can’t afford it save until you can.”

          - Whether I do or not is nobody’s business.

          - If I can’t afford it, I won’t buy it. Thus, the sale is lost.

          - There is no such thing as an illegal download.

        • Wallace

          Who are you? -

          “But if it says on the DVD that lending it is against the law then you are breaking the law.”

          DVDs use creative PR language to imply things that aren’t true. They just can’t outright lie.

          DVDs currently offer warnings that imply certain things are illegal when, in fact, they aren’t, just as their cases imply that the movie they contain will be filled with hot sex and action, when often, not so much.

          Truth is, everyone on this thread is making great points except for you. Respond to them with some facts.

        • Wallace

          Also, for the millionth time in this years-long discussion, private citizens do not dictate law to other private citizens. If I say, “Do not copy the DVD I produced,” you are not breaking the law by copying that DVD. A law addressing the act has to actually exist. What I say is irrelevant.

          The so-called “piracy” debate is all about this fact, I think. Being a “rightsholder” or “creator” not not gives you any say in what I do with a copy of something you created. The law steps in on certain actions but that’s it.

          Some are trying very very hard to convince us otherwise. I don’t blame them. Imagine how much money they make if they fool us.

        • Who are you?

          @ Wallace.

          “Whether I do or not is nobody’s business” Correct, as long as you don’t break the law.

          “If I can’t afford it, I won’t buy it. Thus, the sale is lost”. Again, correct (assuming you wanted it in the first place).

          “There is no such thing as an illegal download” OK.

        • Who are you?

          @ Wallace.

          On the subject of “great points”.

          Take this great “point” of yours (“DVDs use creative PR language to imply things that aren’t true. They just can’t outright lie. DVDs currently offer warnings that imply certain things are illegal when, in fact, they aren’t”) to anyone who has ever been convicted of commercial piracy or copyright infringement and tell them how their conviction is wrong based on your superior legal mind and interpretation of legal terms as stated on the covers of the goods which they have been convicted of pirating or infringing.

          I’ll wait for you to come back with word on the first conviction you manage to have quashed.

          Good luck to you.

        • Trespass

          @Anon
          “we will apprehend you and punish you for it.”

          So you are going to bang on my door and arrest me??!! Come on over, I have the antidote to that kool-aid you’ve been drinking….

          Do you seriously believe that sharing can be stopped? It has been around as long as recorded media. The internet is only the latest incarnation. It will evolve as technology does. “Pirates”,(hate that term), have been responsible for innovations in technology and will continue to be. Your idea of Pirates being lazy is asinine.

        • Guest32

          “What about used cds/dvds/bluray/games. Lets say i buy a dvd and then later on sell it to someone else for %50 of the price. Did the riaa/mpaa/game company
          receive another sale? no. There is a huge amount of people that buy used.

          What about if i buy a dvd and let all of my friends borrow it and watch it. Is that considered stealing?”

          No, the first sale doctrine gives you the right to resell and lend out physical items you have legally bought. This is the clear consumer right in the EU.

          In the US, the Supreme Court will soon consider if the first sale doctrine is limited to copyrighted works produced under the title of US copyright law. If you import a cd from Europe, you could be sued if the court limits the first sale doctrine, but there is no doubt that you have the right to resell or lend out a cd bought locally.

          The poster who claims that a terms of service may restrict first sale rights is wrong.
          First, not all terms of services are enforceable, and even if some are, the condition must be clearly stated before you buy.

          Interestingly, the blank media levies in force in some European countries legalize private copying or file sharing on the condition that the copy is from a legal original.
          And you can even buy a cd, make a copy and resell the original and still (legally) keep the copy. This is the practical effect of the media levy.It’s a we are all criminals tax.

          And in practice it means that mere possession of copyrighted works, even those you haven’t paid for can’t be illegal in itself, unless the copyright holder can prove that you have made the copy from an illegal source or otherwise profitted from the action.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “I think Fredrika should go to the cd/dvd store, buy some cds/dvd’s, copy them and then return them for full credit, explaining there is no harm. lol”

          If I buy ANY product, take it home, make a new copy of it from my materials and then return it to the store within the grace period then yes, I do, as a matter of course, get a full refund.

          Digital copies is the ONLY exception to that rule in the entire marketplace.

          So…care to tell us WHY you shouldn’t be able to get a full refund of the DVD you bought?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Who are you?

          “No, it’s not. But if it says on the DVD that lending it is against the law then you are breaking the law.”

          Pure and reeking bullshit. You can put whatever you like on the ToS or EULA. It doesn’t alter fundamental consumer law.

          A company could put a sticker on the box stating that by opening it you surrender full control over your wife and kid to the printer of the disc and it would make just as much legal headway.

          I.e. None.

          Lending is covered by something called “property rights”. Anyone but a dyed-in-the-wool communist should understand the concept of “purchase” and “property”.

      • test test

        shit fuck entitlement society my ass.. With all due respect you don’t know what an entitlement society is.

        • test test

          Seems the honor system of the internet has failed. And now discipline time has arrived. People never learn. ever ever ever!

        • You Jest Jest

          The honour system? What on earth are you talking about? You don’t think that the internet has improved and increased the number of people making online donations to good causes that they otherwise have never heard about? Or that many thousands more people are involved in free and open-source software initiatives thanks to easy access to the source repositories and the communities? Or that millions of people have felt the democratising power of the web unleashing their creative artistic works freely for all to see and hear?

          No?

          Then you have failed the turing test and are hereby banished from the intertubes.

      • Pelham123

        I realize you’re being an obvious troll, but giving money to support the work of artists you like is a good thing.

        My rights to access speech and to own my own property are also good things.

        • Oyster

          “…but giving money to support the work of artists you like is a good thing.”

          Yebb and that is why you donate to the artist directly.

      • 4236546

        I do buy stuff, but only if it’s good. Hell pretty much 60% of my current game collection alone was pirated before I bought it because I enjoyed it.

  • Jimbo

    what we have here is two industries joining forces to do their best to criminalize the very people that both industries rely on to exist, ie, customers. what do these industries think will happen if they piss enough customers off by suing them, which is definitely what this whole exercise is about, so that they quit using the services and everyone else quits too before they get accused of doing something that isn’t liked? the strangest thing to me is how quickly the ISPs jumped into bed with the entertainment industries to alienate their customers. by screwing them over they are doing themselves no favours but it seems like the ISPs dont care. guess that shows the contempt they have for those that keep the business going in relation to what they think of Hollywood etc

    • Anon

      You don’t understand, Jimbo. We don’t need you, we don’t need pirates who “buy some and steal some.” We need full paying customers, just like every legitimate business who parts with their product for the purchase price. If you take our stuff without paying, we’ll sue you through third parties who will track you, with support of the courts and law. This will never change, and TF regulars are beginning to realize this. Hopefully, you’ll get used to it. It’s only fair.

      • Anyone

        but pirates are full paying customers
        whatever they buy they pay for, simple

        • Anon

          lmao.
          idiot.

        • Anyone

          how am I the idiot?
          I’m stating a simple truth, whatever I buy I pay for

          if noone is asking for money, why should I pay? is Hollywood a donation based charity now?

        • Anon

          Notice how I, both lawyer and content producer, fell for this one.

      • Anon

        By we I don’t mean me. I don’t produce anything.

        • Anoun

          Oh you produce something alright. You produce an awful lot of methane talking out of your ass like you do.

  • Guest

    If copyright holders push further – I see no end to this – we’ll all use onion routing and cryptography – what then ?

    • Ray186

      Then they will try to ban encryption again. It is real hard to ban math though.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        What, no declaring it a threat to national security, and try to have it banned under military weapon laws. Again?

        I’m disappointed.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Bottom Line?

    The Center for Copyright Information is an MOU legitimized mechanism for the Warrant-less automated conveyance of Customers private information to potential legal predators.

    What opportunity were the 260 Million affected ISP Customers given to object to the substantial impositions on their Privacy rights contemplated in that MOU?

    After all, 350 Million Americans are supposed to submit and be governed by that MOU. RIGHT?

    Answer: None! Through that MOU, those five regulated monopoly ISPs intentionally colluded with private party Copyright Holders to abridge the privacy rights of 260 Million American Citizens without an even symbolic show of respect for the Civil and constitutional consequences of such an action.

    Do they REALLY expect 350 Million American Citizens to submit and be governed by this, possibly criminal, MOU as if it were legislatively enacted Law?

    Is the ACLU listening? These Briefs should already be written.

    Is the EFF listening? There is no case more important.

    Are the Congressmen and Senators from Washington, California, Colorado, Illinois, New York. New Jersey, Delaware, Virginia, Tennessee, Florida, ….. Listening. Don’t tell 350 Million of us tomorrow that once again you didn’t have a clue.

    • Anon

      I’ll have a double of whatever ThumbsUp is having. :-)
      You sir, are beside the point.
      And as you know, always will be.

      • Anyone

        so no answer? just an ad hominem?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          It’s the usual reply by a copywrong troll unable to dispute any of the fact’s he’s seeing. Unable to counter with any good arguments he settles instead for the ad hominem implying the commenter is off his rocker.

      • Fredrika

        > “You sir, are beside the point.”

        You could argue that he is, since the bottom lines are the following:

        1) Society has no proven need for the copyright monopoly, so it shouldn’t be there to begin with.

        2) Nothing indicates that non-profit infringements cause any harm to neither society, the economy, culture, creators, the culture industry’s current record revenues or the goal with copyright, so it shouldn’t definitely not be enforced.

        3) There already exists next generation F2F filesharing protocols that are both technically and legislatively impossible to stop.

        4) There is scientific research that indicates that IP, imaginary property, and legislative monopolies, such as patents and the copyright monopoly, does harm the economy, so any sane nation would dismantle them as fast as possible, and stop believing that it does any good for society.

        and 5) People who believe that anyone using bold text on some passages to emphasise something, are the same person as me, are definitely not paranoid.

        • Anon

          Says the teenage, pirate legal scholar.
          Tell it to your mirror, Fredika. lol
          I live in the real world.

        • Anyone

          @Anon
          you have a strange definition of “real world”

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Anon

          “Says the teenage, pirate legal scholar.
          Tell it to your mirror, Fredika. lol
          I live in the real world.”

          I don’t know which world you live in…but it definitely isn’t the “real” one. In the real world accredited experts in law and technology have been saying the same ever since Mary I’s old “copyright” censorship law was set to expire and the guild of stationer’s picked it up.

          Indeed, what we are looking at is a world where every scholar of technology, finance and law says much the same as Fredrika. You should go read up on what Milton Friedman had to say.

          Oh, wait. Both he, Thomas Jeffersson and Fredrika are teenaged pirate legal scholars, right?

          Is it, as usual, Anon, that you can’t argue with Fredrika because the facts don’t support your views?
          Or did you get a pay cut again so you aren’t motivated to deliver your ad hominem wrapped in the usual five-paragraph straw man?

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        A double of what I’m having would not be strong enough for you.

        I suggest a triple of whatever it was you had after the public debacles of PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP.

        Certainly, you can remember that nice long calming swallow….. Was that a double?…… or a triple? Don’t tell us you’re still trying to forget!

        As to “beside the point”……

        You act as if there’s no known precedent for the wholesale public rejection of the policies you advocate.

        You act as if Six Strikes was not just one more opportunity for American Citizens to plow your Corporatist cause under asphalt.

        How can it be “besides the point” to point out that the policies you advocate are Fascist.

      • Anoun

        He’s having yo momma!

  • IHaveNoBalls

    “Also, those who receive warnings under the copyright alert system will have to acknowledge that they understand the risks. This means that rightsholders could show the court that subscribers were warned multiple times, but chose not to take action.”

    Yeah they will force you to sign the document or lose you’re internet connection. Just like on youtube where, if you get a copyright notice, they lock off you’re account and ask you to sign a document admitting liability or you don’t get you’re account back..

    There’s something wrong with this. You cant trick people into signing a document by holding their internet connection at ransom.

    “acknowledge that they understand the risks” means “we will trick you into signing legal contract admitting liability, making any court case open and shut… fuck you”
    :(

  • Anon

    “There’s something wrong with this. You cant trick people into signing a document by holding their internet connection at ransom.”

    Why not? You f*ck up, you pay the price or lose your privilege.

    • Anyone

      so you are ok with blackmail and holding the internet connection ransom?
      and having to pay $30 for the privilege of contesting it?

      you are disgusting

    • IHaveNoBalls

      “You f*ck up, you pay the price or lose your privilege.” Nice argument, you embarrass you’re self.

    • Anoun

      I’ll tell you why not. An IP address does not equal a person. Even if an IP address can be connected to a subscriber, you’re asking the subscriber to accept liability for something that in every likelihood they had: a) no control over; b) had not knowledge of; or c) both of these. Does that sound like a fair judicial system or blackmail?

      By the way, if you answer the rhetorical question with ‘fair judicial system’ you just failed Justice 101.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Very neat. You do realize that anyone with a ‘tude, within 50 meters of your wireless, can generate those six strikes for you without you having either chance or prayer at preventing it?

      In very real terms having to sign the document is having to admit future culpability for someone else or yourself being randomly assaulted.

      This is why even making that claim of yours is preposterous.

  • Enawkfnadf

    Why can’t people just pay for stuff? Greedy pirates seem to think theft is okay in today’s world.

    • Anyone

      I pay for everything I buy
      I also don’t steal anything

    • Anoun

      Greedier MAFIAA think you should pay for stuff you didn’t even download (through the 6-strikes scheme). Which is the bigger theft… the pirates copying non-destructively or the MAFIAA stealing constitutional rights?

    • Trespass

      New here? Hang around and get educated…..

  • knglerxst

    They equate file-sharing with theft, and they want to educate us?! It seems they’re the ones in need of education.

  • Randy Lahey

    Not trying to play devils advocate, but if you get caught downloading six times by these morons then you’re doing it wrong.

    • Anyone

      they might as well use a RNG for the IPs and be just as reliable

      you will get strikes even if you don’t download anything, that’s just how this works

    • Anoun

      Or perhaps not doing it at all. IP != person.

    • Ray186

      That is correct Sir.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “…but if you get caught downloading six times by these morons then you’re doing it wrong.”

      Or that neighbor who doesn’t like you did it right. Google “reaver hack”. WPA doesn’t help you if your hardware can be compromised in seconds.

  • Thiswasdoneinfrancealready

    THE OUTCOME OF THE SIX STRIKES WILL BE THE SAME AS IT WAS FOR THE OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IT (SOME FOR YEARS NOW ALREADY), WHY ARE WE DEBATING WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE FOR THIS IMPLEMENTATION IN THE USA??? WHY DO SOME OF YOU THINK THAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE DIFFERENT THEN HOW THINGS TURNED OUT IN FRANCE WITH THEIR “3 STRIKES SYSTEM” ETC ETC??? WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF ISPs DOING THIS IN FRANCE??? THE PUBLIC IN FRANCE DID NOT DECLARE WAR AND CRY MURDER TOWARDS THE GOVERNMENT IN FRANCE, AM I CORRECT??? ALL THAT I HEARD WAS THAT SOME PEOPLE WENT TO THEIR 3RD STRIKES AND THAT WAS ONLY A FEW, BUT I NEVER FOLLOWED UP WITH THE OUTCOME OF THOSE 1 OR 2 DOWNLOADERS…

    • Caps Lock Scale

      As a scientist, I wish to correlate Caps Lock comments on TF Blog Articles.
      On a Caps Lock Scale (CLS) of 1 to 10, I rate this comment a CLS=10.0

      Clearly this commentor is concerned about this Article (and forgot his meds).

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Although i must agree with the poster in question in principle, both the quota of capital letters and question marks make the comment quite hard to read.

        I would state that the correlation of regular triple question marks also indicate grave concern.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      If we make a list of things that even the most Democratic European Citizens tolerate as legitimate repression by their Governments, we could with that list horrify Constitutionally pampered Americans.

      All world citizens, including Americans, face the daily threat of waking to a Regime that can enslave them with sheer power into submission and silence; but, the American experience has not provided American Citizens with the actual touch and feel of life without Constitutional Rights and Civil Liberties; as for example, in Hitler’s Germany, or Franco’s Spain, or Mussolini’s Italy.

      The fact that the American Government so effectively encourages Governments abroad to repress their own citizens, does not mean that American Citizens have comparable tolerance for their own Government’s domestic repressions.

      Is David Cameron’s administration willing to extradite UK Citizens to the US for trial on allegations that are not even crimes in Britain? Do British Citizens yawn at that prospect?

      To say that such extraditions “happen” in Britain; or, that in France, the abbreviated version of Six Strikes is already ancient history, in no way presupposes that American Politicians can survive a call for the extradition of American Citizens to ANY foreign Jurisdiction; or, that those same politicians will not be washed away by a tsunami of popular protest wholly outside the experience of French Politics.

    • ScrewEwe2

      Man, you just messed up my potential high with all those CAPS, and I only have a half a bowl left. :-(

  • KiRE

    Damn, I was gonna say something about Jill… but then I got high…

    • ScrewEwe2

      That’s a damn good plan, so I’ll say something before I get high. I wonder if Jill was on the Pill before her and Jack went up the Hill, and would it matter if Jill was only planning to jack off, Jack?

      OK, I’ve been up for ’bout an hour, time to toke and that’s no joke…

  • Troll Scale

    As a scientist, I wish to correlate troll activity on TF Blog Articles.
    On a Troll Scale (TS) of 1 to 10, I rate this TF Blog a TS=8.3

    Clearly the MAFIAA is concerned about this Article.

  • ToBobTim

    Man people sure are taking this piracy stuff WAY too seriously!

    http://www.AnonSurfit.tk

  • Guest

    Keep climbing up that hill to fetch a pail of water, Jill. After all, HADOPI was such a rousing success in France. Same as the system in New Zealand.

    …Oh, wait.

  • chronoss

    whats the point of a warning if at same time you say dont do that you slam someone with a sledge hammer over the head….hahahaha

  • Guest32

    “What about used cds/dvds/bluray/games. Lets say i buy a dvd and then later on sell it to someone else for %50 of the price. Did the riaa/mpaa/game company
    receive another sale? no. There is a huge amount of people that buy used.

    What about if i buy a dvd and let all of my friends borrow it and watch it. Is that considered stealing?”

    No, the first sale doctrine gives you the right to resell and lend out physical items you have legally bought. This is the clear consumer right in the EU.

    In the US, the Supreme Court will soon consider if the first sale doctrine is limited to copyrighted works produced under the title of US copyright law. If you import a cd from Europe, you could be sued if the court limits the first sale doctrine, but there is no doubt that you have the right to resell or lend out a cd bought locally.

    The poster who claims that a terms of service may restrict first sale rights is wrong.
    First, not all terms of services are enforceable, and even if some are, the condition must be clearly stated before you buy.

    Interestingly, the blank media levies in force in some European countries legalize private copying or file sharing on the condition that the copy is from a legal original.
    And you can even buy a cd, make a copy and resell the original and still (legally) keep the copy. This is the practical effect of the media levy.It’s a we are all criminals tax.

    And in practice it means that mere possession of copyrighted works, even those you haven’t paid for can’t be illegal in itself, unless the copyright holder can prove that you have made the copy from an illegal source or otherwise profitted from the action.

  • drasko

    @Fredrika

    “Why would anyone economically sane buy something that holds no economical value? It makes no sense.”

    I’m not arguing with you, I’d just like you to explain how CD’s, Movies, Software and other types of digital merchandise hold no economical value?

    • Anon

      I think she’d reply that because she has the technical capability to create a virtually infinite number of unlawful copies, in her view this reduces the value to zero.

      In reality, any digital media with music on it is worth more than an identical but empty digital media., same way a recorded cd had a value higher than an empty cd.

      But don’t tell Fredrika a fact like that. She’ll just stick her fingers in her ears and say lalalalalalalala, lol

      Many of us write and submit white papers to our Congressmen for their consideration and review. I think Fredrika should write and explain her views to a legislative body that actually counts because it can vote on something, instead of just mouthing off to the TF peanut gallery. So she can be just laughed out of the room, I mean. :-)

      • Fredrika

        > “..in her view this reduces the value to zero.”

        No, by every economical logic that exists. As i’ve said before, maybe you should take a class in business economics, so you’d learn the fundamentals once and for all? Or read any of the many works by several Nobel price winners in economics that explain and corroborate the same facts for you?

        > “In reality, any digital media with music on it is worth more than an identical but empty digital media.”

        In reality a digital file has no economical value, because you can manufacture it yourself for free. The content does not change that.

        > “..same way a recorded cd had a value higher than an empty cd.”

        No, that’s not the same way, because a pressed CD has a look and feel to it that a burned one hasn’t. When it comes to digital files there is no difference.

        > “But don’t tell Fredrika a fact like that. She’ll just stick her fingers in her ears and say lalalalalalalala, lol”

        Just because you say something illogical doesn’t make it a fact. My claims however are corroborated by basic economical facts that have been well known for ages. Had you ever studied any business economics you would have known these things.

        > “So she can be just laughed out of the room, I mean.”

        Just as Nobel prize winners are laughed out when they state the same things that i do? Ok then..

      • Jimmy671

        Piss off Troll,crawl back up the Mafiaa’s arse.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        ” So she can be just laughed out of the room, I mean. :-)”

        She’s quoting, literally verbatim, Adam Smith, Milton Friedman, and Thomas Jeffersson?

        And for this she can be laughed out of the room?
        You, on the other hand, claim to write and submit white papers to congressmen and have previously demonstrated ignorance of even such basic terms as “burden of proof”.

        Remind me, Anon, at what particular point in time did you decide dropping the argument that you thought it was reasonable punishment for filesharers to be raped?

        Remind me again, when was it that you gleefully proclaimed victory because Finnish police had come down hard on a nine-year old filesharer?

        And we still have no clarification, regarding your previous two statements on the issue, on how your first statement should apply to the second.

        Fredrika has posted extensively around here, always with easily verifiable fact and quoting text of law.
        You, on the other hand, are similarly known on these forums, but for an entirely other reason.
        If we had to laugh anyone out of the room, I think it would have to be the clueless wonder who demonstrably doesn’t know fundamental law, demonstrably doesn’t know technology and who has declared himself fine with being a fascist if that is the result of his approval of ANY and ALL methods of pursuing and punishing filesharers.

        And that would be you, dear “Anon”.

      • ScrewEwe2

        In my opinion, a blank CD has much more value than any Kiss CD.

    • Anyone

      she was responding to another post that claimed you cannot do with it what you want, especially not resell it

      and in that case she is right, it holds no economical value, since you cannot sell it

    • Fredrika

      > “I’m not arguing with you, I’d just like you to explain how CD’s, Movies, Software and other types of digital merchandise hold no economical value?”

      I’m talking about digital copies. If you can manufacture them yourself for free, which you can, they hold no economical value. Basic economics 101.

  • Foff

    The mafiaa and the isp’s have deep pockets so if some young enterprising lawyer thinks there is a case for invasion of privacy the lawsuits of the six strikes will fly. I don’t care at this point because if my isp gives me strikes I will say then terminate my contract now and I will find another isp. Can’t wait to see how they like that.

  • utuxia

    If people willingly let the government erode their civil liberties, then they shouldn’t have had them in the first place.

  • Roswell1701

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      To contradict the last one: Not if you use the other side of the sandpaper

  • Sign: dont feed the trolls

    stop giving attention to people like Anon, its all he wants, its all he needs, its all he lives for, and it has been exceedingly absent throughout his life, thus creating more of a need for him

    • Ophelia Millais

      Perhaps, but it’s so satisfying to not only be right, but to get the last word, as well.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      The problem is, insane as his rantings are, he does sound exactly like some of the copyright industry’s mouthpieces.

      Hell, by most comparisons he’s saner than Gene Simmons in his statements.

  • You can help

    For those of you asking yourself “What can I do to combat the unjust actions of copyright holders and the companies/governments that support them?”

    1). Do not purchase music/film/books from the internet
    2). Do not purchase film-theatre tickets
    3). Do not rent movies from stores/websites
    4). Do not work for, or provide any assist to film-theatres / rental stores
    5). Do not respond to any allegation of illegal activity regarding digital media
    6). Promote free-file-sharing through activity on various websites
    7). Promote websites such as The Pirate Bay
    8). Promote free-file-sharing by dedicating your bandwith to uploads/downloads

    **by adhering to these, you will drive out the profit

    • guest

      Number 4 is kinda negative, you can make money and maybe the theater/rental store lets you watch or rent a movie for free occasionally.
      Maybe number 4 can lead to #8.

      If #5 is a court order, you have no choice unless you want them to win.

      There are people that enjoy movies and will do the opposite of 1,2,3.
      Profit will always exist if the movie is somewhat decent.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    There are way too many people who look at Six Strikes and say, “Six Strikes is not as crucial as PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP.”

    They say, “I’ll just get a VPN.”

    They say, “No problem! I’m never going to be the low hanging fruit!”

    These people need to look again at what’s before them. Six Strikes is ALL of what was bad in all those other acts, with the additional adverse effect that it is infinitely better focused on American Citizens in their role as Internet users.

    Of course, Verizon knows exactly what to tell these people.

    Verizon says, “Six Strikes is nothing new! Copyright Holders have been monitoring the Internet traffic of File Sharers for years, already. Nothing will happen during the remediation phase! A version of it has been operating in France for years, and French Citizens haven’t revolted.”

    What Verizon doesn’t say is that the private telecommunications history of 260 million Customers, which today can not be released to adversarial third parties without Judicial Process, will be turned over every month to Copyright Holders who may in fact have no actual legal entitlement whatsoever to that Customer’s tele-com traffic history, which ISPs will be inviting Copyright Holders to use iin Court in soliciting the personally identifying information of the ISPs Customers.

    You think the Porn Trolls are active extortionists now?

    What kinds of extortion letters will customers get when the Porn Trolls get monthly first dibs on customer transmission history from Verizon?

    When Verizon tells its Customers that Six Strikes is nothing new, it is merely begging them to please go back to sleep.

    Verizon prays it can avoid litigation from its Customers if by some turn of fate they just keep sleeping.

    Don’t go back to sleep. In fact, get really busy waking up those customers who don’t yet know what’s happening.

    • ScrewEwe2

      I don’t touch porn. I only download religious shit and patriotic stuff like John Philip Sousa tunes.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        Me too!….. (lol)

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  • Michelle Hostetler

    The Six Strikes regime is a reasonable compromise. Those that complain on this blog, are probably just mad that they can’t download music or movies for free. The industry is invoking best practice to cut down on money lost due to piracy. Why not go with a corporate choice instead of legislation that wastes Congress’s time and taxpayers money?

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      So, we’re advocating Corporate Choice this week, are we?

      You must get an awful lot of disgusted looks and, “No Thanks!”

  • luv1138

    Keep seeding, don’t be afraid!

  • ScrewEwe2

    And in other News, The 6 Strikes program has been rescheduled for a launch of late 2017.

  • Sosad

    Imagine a world where you buy a car and cant take or give a drive to anyone.
    Imagine a world where you buy a house and cant let anyone sleep or come inside.
    Imagine a world where you buy a cake you cant share or eat with anybody.
    Imagine a world where you buy music or a movie you cant listen or watch if not alone.
    Imagine a world where you buy a book you could not lend or sell back.
    Imagine a world where you buy a CD you should pay again everytime you play it.
    Imagine a world where you buy a plant you cant grow seeds or eat fruits.
    Imagine a world where you buy a dog and cant keep puppies.
    Imagine a world where you buy a chair, bed, computer, phone, spoon, pen, newspaper, ball, pack of sugar, bottle of wine, etc etc only you could use.

    Fight for freedom in America is our fight to own and use.
    Land, liberty and data are our properties.
    Lend a CD or copy a movie is not a crime, unless you deny my liberty to use and then to own it.
    Corps are killing themselves, not piracy.

  • Sosad

    They killed the family values (and gave you consumerism)
    They killed the love (and gave you pornography, homo-trend and feminism).
    They killed the friendship (and gave you Facebook).
    Now, they are killing our liberty (and try to give us EULA).

    FIGHT! KEEP ON FIGHTING!

    • Sosad

      Family, love, friends, then your own private rights: they try to isolate you.
      Sharing, communities and networks are the natural salubrious responses to the aggression/oppression.
      Do not stay alone.
      JOIN!

  • Tmc80tmc

    The I$Ps know how much money they’re raking in from pirates.. and it’s doubtful they’ll want to give that cash cow away because these corporate blood suckers want to be paid for this pirated content for which they copy down an ip address for… you see no viable affordable alternatives to free.. so free it will be..
    Especially at a time when ISPs are trying to jack up internet fees, and the cost of netflix– and the legal alternatives at the same time. compare vs a VPN for which they can kiss your ass because it will just about guarantee your privacy.. otherwise why would you pay a VPN money?

  • joexxx

    ” from a legal perspective they have a much stronger case when it’s done as part of the copyright alert system.”

    No they don’t. Copyright alert system has no legal standing in US.

  • YourWorstEnemy

    WARDRIVING PEOPLE

    HACK WIFI. DOWNLOAD HOT TORRENTS. CREATE CHAOS.

    Once enough innocent people start getting caught in the crosshairs of this program, the real outrage will begin.

    • dude

      That will sure create chaos, you better have a badass pc setup to crack every wifi.Connect with 10 or more fresh torrents, rinse and repeat with every wifi and isps will start going crazy with all of these notices.

  • http://twitter.com/y_kent_wu Kent Wu

    Does a proxy protect me in any way?

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  • knux

    “…they have a much stronger case when it’s done as part of the copyright alert system.”

    Errr, no they don’t. Someone could still hope onto any wifi network, or a friend could torrent while at your house, someone could still spoof your IP or the ISP could have faulty logs. IPs do NOT equal names, addresses, phone numbers… PERIOD! And I really have to wonder how many grandmother’s out there, have internet yet never actually use it, but the kid down the street does. Those warnings would probably go unheeded, because they’d never get them / be extremely confused by them and hang up or throw them away. But we all know the MAFIAA has a fetish for suing old ladies, so I guess it’ll be par for the course.

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  • Ivan Yglesia

    My ISP is not one of those I got CLEARWIRE

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  • ThinkingAhead

    People think things seem bad now with the actions the RIAA and MPAA are taking now to protect their IP: just wait until 3D-printing becomes mainstream and multitudes of other major trade associations start trying to protect proprietary designs.

    These issues really need to be decided and codified into law/have precedents set before things go completely FUBAR for consumers.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.gambino.338 Antonio Gambino

    Fuck the MAFIAA!

  • Guest

    The fact of the matter is that MOST so-called “pirates” are also the biggest supporters of the industry. They are people who go see movies at the theater on day one… and day two… but then want to watch it again before it comes out on home video, but due to costs, they just download the movie instead. As for TV shows? Its kind of the same… they want to watch the episode again, or perhaps they don’t have access to the channel(s) that air(s) the show(s), so they download it to watch it… but 9 times out of 10, they buy the season when it comes out.

    Seriously… MOST so-called “pirates” are people like me… people who own over 600 BDs with hundreds more DVDs waiting to be upgraded… people who see movies multiple times in theaters, and buy them day one upon their release. The truth of the matter is that if the MPAA managed to put every pirate in prison, they’d end up losing at least 30=40% of their most loyal customers, and then they’d really see drop in sales.

    The people leading the charge against pirates are foolish, who ignore the facts. You know what the #1 most downloaded movie was last year? The Avengers! You know what was the most profitable movie last year? THE AVENGERS! And its the third highest grossing movie of all time! The MPAA are a bunch of idiots who can’t see the writing on the wall. “Pirating” doesn’t hurt the industry… it HELPS it.

    If they really want to do something about it, they should focus their efforts on advancements in protection technology, like Cinavia, and save themselves the time and money they put into their stupid ass witch hunts, which are only going to shrink their pool of consumers if they take the kind of action they seem to want to.

    The MPAA is a useless tool these days, anyway… no one with half a brain respects their ratings, anymore, as Its all so fucking arbitrary that its beyond moronic (oh, you cut of two dozen heads in The Hobbit? well lets rate that PG-13… oh, Donnie Yen kicked some dude in the face in Ip Man? well lets rate that R… fucking stupid)..

  • Ophelia Millais

    The personal info that Lesser is talking about is subscriber info that only the ISP has: name, address, phone, email. The IP address is already known to the monitoring companies; that’s part of generating a strike notification. The monitoring companies pass the IP and torrent info to the ISP, and then the ISP generates a strike notification and sends it to the subscriber.

    There’s nothing preventing the monitoring company from also sharing the IP address with the copyright owners at any point in the Six Strikes process, or outside of the process. I mean, think about it… if someone’s sharing leaked, pre-release material, the copyright owners certainly aren’t going to wait around for six strikes to accumulate; they’re going to go after that person ASAP. They’ll subpoena the ISP for the subscriber’s name and contact info, based on the already-known IP address, just like they already do.

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